My next welding project...

[TNToy]

Yes, that's an Ak-47. :wtf:

Going to do a weld-build on this parts kit.

It's a Romanian G-series AK-47. It'll be semi-auto, comepletely legal under HR 922R laws, and cost roughly $200-250 complete.

They were built in Russia/Romania/Poland/Chinesistan with fairly large rivets holding the thing together, which most people simply replace in a time-consuming manner with a bunch of home made tools.

If you're willing to weld the bad boy together, well, it becomes a much easier project. The only tough part is building yourself a reciever out of a piece of 4340 1mm-thick sheetl, but if you build yourself the jig, it's just a 10 minute project in a press. ;)

So who wants to see a build-up thread? :D

[Franz©]

You better be damn sure the AK was manufactured PreBan and that you can prove it with paperwork if you even put a large capacity mag in the receiver. Around here the PoPo man will willingly hand your ass to the BATF goons for machine gun posession if the AK cannot be documented and you have a large mag in it.

Most of the shops that sell large mags insist on inspecting the AK and dating it prior to
selling the mag and generate paperwork upon sale stating the mag was sold for use in the pre ban AK only just to avoid getting dragged in if somebody misuses the mag.

By the way, posessing a jig and employing it to altar a firearm is presumptive evidence of manufacture of firearms, I hope you have appropriate paperwork and licenses to manufacture.

[TNToy]

Do you know anything at all about the procedures involved in building your own semi-automatic rifle, what's allowed under section 922, or what the phrase "US parts count" means?

Or do you just repeat all the misinformation you read off the internet?

Please at least tell me you live in a neutered-gun state like CA, NY, NJ, MD, or somewhere similar, where magazine capacity is restricted?

Here in TN, I have the wonderful ability to legally purchase 30-round AK magazines by the pallet load, if I so desire.

Don't go projecting your states shortcomings onto those of us who're smart enough to live elsewhere. I own more than 20 Glock magazines that hold between 15 and 33 rounds. All post-ban, and all perfectly legal.

[george4]

So who wants to see a build-up thread? :D

I would.:beer:

[russlaferrera]

Me to.
Note: When I think of Tennessee I think of Nashville and the Chattanooga cho cho . Boy was I wrong. Are you trying to push Texas out of 1st place? lol :)

[Dodgepu360]

I would like to see the build up

I have a AR-15 receiver that is waiting to be built, I plan to start on it after I get all the house projects knocked out

[TNToy]

...I have a AR-15 receiver that is waiting to be built, I plan to start on it after I get all the house projects knocked out
Me too. That's the project after the AK.

I'm going to use an LMT upper to build something as close to a clone of the HK 416 as I can manage. It'll be off a little, since the 416 is a piston-driven gun unlike a conventional AR, but they look so sweet. It'll primarily be used in 3-gun matches.

[Franz©]

Do you know anything at all about the procedures involved in building your own semi-automatic rifle, what's allowed under section 922, or what the phrase "US parts count" means?

Or do you just repeat all the misinformation you read off the internet?

Please at least tell me you live in a neutered-gun state like CA, NY, NJ, MD, or somewhere similar, where magazine capacity is restricted?

Here in TN, I have the wonderful ability to legally purchase 30-round AK magazines by the pallet load, if I so desire.

Don't go projecting your states shortcomings onto those of us who're smart enough to live elsewhere. I own more than 20 Glock magazines that hold between 15 and 33 rounds. All post-ban, and all perfectly legal.


Get back to me after you've finished your first .458 Ackley and fired it.

I do live in NY, and I don't get my information on firearms from the fools on the internet who think they are gunsmiths.
I also don't believe in Spray and prey shooting styles unless somebody else is humping my ammunition for me.

Tenesee, isn't that the second or third ranked state in total Marijuana production where procreation is encouraged between close relitives? Seems I read that someplace on the internet.

Enjoy your freedom till BATF gets there.

[TNToy]

Seriously, Franz...

What do you think I'm going to be doing that is illegal, exactly?

You go into detail, and I'll show you the specific areas of the law where you're wrong. :)

[Franz©]

Legal -v- Illegal is a matter that is in the eyes of the first BATF agent to look at the piece. From then on his/her decision will be built upon, and the piece WILL match the BATF agent's original opinion. Now I've only been dealing with them agents since 1965, and I've cut up some pretty nice firearms under their direct supervision, and believe me some of the parts they've INSISTED on destroying made me cry.
I've also sat in the cab of my pickup watching them haul off a shop's inventory waiting for their aproval to get my toolbox and guns out of the shop before they padlocked it. Them boys just ain't right in the head!
I have seen AK and AR pieces that I was absolutely conversant with and knew did NOT go full auto along with a FAL that couldn't do full auto all pass thru a courtroom where 3 agents testified they had fired the piece and it was fully automatic. Them boys WILL fire it fully auto one way or another if they want your ass.

Also, the decision of have you or have you not manufactured a firearm doesn't rest in your hands, it rests in the hands of BATF and the State you get acused in. For a licensed gunsmith to build or modify a rifle is one thing, for an individual to do the same things to his firearm is totally another. The argument won't be between you and the Agent, the argument will be between attorneys, and cost you a hell of a lot of money. People you never met will get on the stand and flat out misrepresent black into white with their testimony, and you will NOT get a chance to refute their testimony unless you have a boatload of money to bring in retired Agent experts. Them boys don't work cheap either.

Myself, I don't give a rusty rats ass if you want to hump a tripod mounted 50 around, and I have participated in building a semiauto version of a 50, and can within hours have both the prints, and parts to build one if I ask. Frankly, full auto is flat useless in any civilian situation in my opinion.

The current climate in this country is definitely antigun, and the PC croud along with Sara Brady are having a field day pissin on gun owners. This AIN'T the time to be stickin your head up above the berm where they can target you.

[TNToy]

Spray and pray? You do realize that this rifle will be semi-automatic, right?

I've looked at the way an AK's firing mechanism works, and their fully-automatic fire-control-group is extremely simple.

However, more importantly, it won't be able to run in this rifle. I've already pitched the retarder and the all-important third pin, too. There won't be a hole for that pin in the receiver, and because it's a weld build, you'd have to physically cut the gun apart in order to modify the receiver to fit those parts.

Even if an AK is built with a hole for the magic third pin, there are also several modifications that need to be done to allow them to physically fit in the receiver, which will NOT be done to this rifle.

...And again, it's completely legal to build your own rifle. Call the ATF yourself and ask. :)

[AdamMopar]

This is the kind of project I like to see.

Adam

[johnny1290]

I think it's really interesting and can't wait to see more of your work.

As an aside, my coworker did 2 or 3 years in prison for posession of full auto weapons. He's just a collector, not planning a war or anything, just bad decisions on his part.

Your guns sound *really* neat. Gotta love $250 as well.

Now you're giving me ideas!

Thanks for the post

[M3Pilot]

I'd like to see the build thread too. I have a couple of AMD-65s that I'm gonna get around to building one of these day. Bought the receivers premade thru my FFL,from Sarco I think. One's registred as pistol & the other as a rifle.

[Rabbit]

I think it's hilarious how certain folks can join a message board and suddenly they are experts on EVERY SUBJECT UNDER THE SUN. It's understandable though, because low self esteem is a hard disorder to overcome.

Anywhoo, so called experts almost always resort to using statements such as "procreation is encouraged between close relitives?" (SP) or something similarly derogatory aimed at the original poster in an effort to make a point. In the end, they lose ALL credibility for their side of the discussion with such juvenile statements and only publicly prove that they know not what they claim and pretend to know.

don't sweat the hater TNT ... share your pics for the rest of us commoners to enjoy. :thumbup:

[RoadRnnr69]

Now I've only been dealing with them agents since 1965,


Huh, that's interesting. Nixon created the BATF in 1972, but you sound like an over acheiver so you must be right. Thanks for posting:thumbup:

[JohnHenrys48]

TNToy,

Sometime back, maybe it was on this site or the original Garage Junkies site there was a link to a guy that built an "AK" style receiver using a jig and press. Pretty interesting. I would think you would have to heat treat it after forming.

It would be great to see the progress.

regards,

Jim

[TNToy]

I'd like to see the build thread too. I have a couple of AMD-65s that I'm gonna get around to building one of these day. Bought the receivers premade thru my FFL,from Sarco I think. One's registered as pistol & the other as a rifle.
I know a couple of guys who've built AMDs. For some reason, these short-barreled tanker guns are more accurate than an AK-47, regardless of it's nation of origin.

You should have bought more kits. If you bought those parts kits a couple of years ago, you'd be shocked what they go for now. Think along the lines of a 400-500% price increase. The BATF enacted a ban on importing kits with intact barrels in September of '06, and there are precious few AMDs left in storage that were in-country before then. Heck, they're running out of traditional AKs.

Sometime back, maybe it was on this site or the original Garage Junkies site there was a link to a guy that built an "AK" style receiver using a jig and press. Pretty interesting. I would think you would have to heat treat it after forming.
That's how I'll be doing it. Since we're only building a few guns, it's not worth fabricating my own jig. I'm renting one from a friend who lives in VA, and paying to ship it back & forth.

And yes, heat treating the holes for the pins and the ejector is crucial. At least, if you want it to last more than a few hundred rounds. ;)

As an aside, my coworker did 2 or 3 years in prison for posession of full auto weapons. He's just a collector, not planning a war or anything, just bad decisions on his part.
I know you've seen where I said it was semi-auto, but...

Like Franz, most anyone who hears about this build simple assumes that it's going to be fully-automatic. I don't know why, but people just leap to that conclusion when they hear "AK-47". Maybe it's just because they've never seen any other kind?

Go easy on Franz. He just thought that I was building a full-auto gun without a tax-stamp, 03-FFL, or anything that IS required to legally own such a gun. I said otherwise, but he just didn't catch it. :)

[bobx]

dang. how did i get onto the gun journal site?

my bad.

[CaptinCrash]

hell ya i wanna see the build thread

[chicane]

Legal -v- Illegal is a matter that is in the eyes of the first BATF agent to look at the piece. From then on his/her decision will be built upon, and the piece WILL match the BATF agent's original opinion. Now I've only been dealing with them agents since 1965, and I've cut up some pretty nice firearms under their direct supervision, and believe me some of the parts they've INSISTED on destroying made me cry.
I've also sat in the cab of my pickup watching them haul off a shop's inventory waiting for their aproval to get my toolbox and guns out of the shop before they padlocked it. Them boys just ain't right in the head!
I have seen AK and AR pieces that I was absolutely conversant with and knew did NOT go full auto along with a FAL that couldn't do full auto all pass thru a courtroom where 3 agents testified they had fired the piece and it was fully automatic. Them boys WILL fire it fully auto one way or another if they want your ass.

Also, the decision of have you or have you not manufactured a firearm doesn't rest in your hands, it rests in the hands of BATF and the State you get acused in. For a licensed gunsmith to build or modify a rifle is one thing, for an individual to do the same things to his firearm is totally another. The argument won't be between you and the Agent, the argument will be between attorneys, and cost you a hell of a lot of money. People you never met will get on the stand and flat out misrepresent black into white with their testimony, and you will NOT get a chance to refute their testimony unless you have a boatload of money to bring in retired Agent experts. Them boys don't work cheap either.

Myself, I don't give a rusty rats ass if you want to hump a tripod mounted 50 around, and I have participated in building a semiauto version of a 50, and can within hours have both the prints, and parts to build one if I ask. Frankly, full auto is flat useless in any civilian situation in my opinion.

The current climate in this country is definitely antigun, and the PC croud along with Sara Brady are having a field day pissin on gun owners. This AIN'T the time to be stickin your head up above the berm where they can target you.


Definitely Anti-Gun? You need to get out of NY and come down south sir because we are anything but Anti-Gun. It sounds like in this post that you are saying that BATF agents are willing to perjure themselves in order to railroad some poor slob who was at the wrong place and at the wrong time, correct?

[jimvannoy]

There are gun shows here at least once a month. You can buy all the high capacity mags you want, all the ammo you want and most any gun you want. I have owned several AK47's AR15's, FAL, HK91, a UZI, and many other guns. My favorite right now is my under folder AK47. Lots of people drive around with rifles in the back window of their trucks. Nowhere near anti-gun anywhere around here. You can get a permit to carry as well.

[1stwarrior95]

It sounds like in this post that you are saying that BATF agents are willing to perjure themselves in order to railroad some poor slob who was at the wrong place and at the wrong time, correct?

Not takin sides here, but I wouldn't put anything past anyone that wears a badge.

[TNToy]

Franz isn't far off on the ATF. Inconsistency and a lack of any precise written procedure regarding testing of confiscated weapons means that you had best be VERY damn careful and do your homework on a project like this.

[Rickstir]

Any limitations of "preban" went bye bye. I have an AK and a Beretta. I have purchased several high cap mags for both and will buy more. I don't care if your mag is branded "For Law Enforcement Only". It doesn't matter since the sunset on the mag capacity nonsense. When I practice with the Beretta, it is my CCW weapon, I use single stacks, when I carry I always have double stacks. Mag count on the AK is 3 40 rnd, 5 30 rnd, 5 10 rnd. I am buying a 75 rnd drum with George's check. The ammo is so cheap I keep them loaded, one shy of capacity all the time.

[TNToy]

Some teaser pictures. I'm basically finished with it... Sometime I'll upload the other 60ish pictures I took in the process.

Waiting until I test-fire it before I go ahead and coat the steel & refinish the furniture.

[TNToy]

It runs. :D

(Note the smoke/steam coming off the barrel. It got pretty dang hot)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebYAeAtqRlM

Now I just need to take a flap disc to the receiver, smooth the welds so you can't even tell where they were... Strip & refinish the wood, and repaint the rest of the rifle in a textured black. :D

[russlaferrera]

TNT, Looking good!

[OctaneMotorsports]

Looks good!

Some interesting comments on your youtube video, hahaha.

[TNToy]

No kidding. Weissier's hobbies are listed as something like "klan meetings, white survivalist" on his profile. Idiot.

Not to mention that he 'loves his Romanion SAR-1' ... Which is a gun 'kit built' by Century once the parts kit is imported to the U.S., and their quality control leaves a LOT to be desired. Idiot X 2. :rolleyes:

[kbs2244]

Isn't there a rivet or screw way of building one that gets away from the need to weld?

[TNToy]

There's both, yes. But welding is so much faster it's just ridiculous, and I can weld... ;)

[arthur1920]

Definitely Anti-Gun? You need to get out of NY and come down south sir because we are anything but Anti-Gun. It sounds like in this post that you are saying that BATF agents are willing to perjure themselves in order to railroad some poor slob who was at the wrong place and at the wrong time, correct?

I believe BATF agents have done that. I believe BATF has been criticized in open court by the presiding judge for their behavior. BATF has been summoned to appear before the House Judiciary to explain their wanton behavior. It is a rogue agency and it needs to be disbanded.

http://www.atfabuse.com/

[arthur1920]

PS:
Lying: http://www.atfabuse.com/atfabuse-13.html

[sharpe427]

Doesn't take much looking to see where the above links are headed! Nothing quite like unbiased news coverage---:wtf:
It would be better if they got the facts straight--on the first one they bust the ATF for the killing on Ruby Ridge, but it was an FBI sniper that fired the shot. Also busts them for Waco, which was a Justice Dept. operation...FBI, DEA, BATF; all involved but under guidance..directly...from Bill Clinton's gal Janet Reno (who just happened to be picked in a process overseen by....Hillary!) And the second link takes a run on 2 BATF agents in Detroit, who just happened to be exonerated by a jury (oopps...they forgot to mention that!) :wtf:
While I don't trust very many places, spots like these with axes to grind by half truths, lies and innuendo certainly won't make the list no matter what side they fall on.
Oh, and I like the AK....would make a nice match to my Russian original I picked up in Afghanistan.