How to get Sherwin Williams Armour Seal epoxy [Archive]

awdirtdrifter

09-14-2005, 05:07 PM

dink

09-14-2005, 05:16 PM

I called a Sherwin-Williams store today to see if they had the Armour Seal 1000. They said that's been discontinued and replaced with Armour Seal 650. He didn't sound sure of the differences, but anyway, he said I need a contractor's license to get it. :headscrat Any way around this besides getting a contractor to buy it for me?

I'm in CA btw.

thanks.

They probably say that because they dont want so called contractor grade in the home....AKA they dont want you to have it because if you do they cant screw you over and come back down the road to again by the less quality stuff again

Luckydevil

09-14-2005, 08:10 PM

I think I remember hearing that certain types of epoxy are not allowed to be sold in California, contractor license or not. Try calling an out of state store and see what they say.

I could have sworn someone from Cali was talking about driving to Nevada the other day to get the better grade epoxy...

ChucksCrib

09-14-2005, 08:30 PM

I'm sure you must have a friend/aquantence that is a contractor out there on the left cost who could score you some (epoxy that is) :pimpflash

bmwpower

09-14-2005, 08:32 PM

Had the same problem in PA. The guy wouldn't sell it to me. Going to try in NJ soon...

awdirtdrifter

09-14-2005, 10:13 PM

Well, there's two issues here: 1) the armorseal 1000 being discontinued--is that just here in CA? and 2) either or both being available only to contractors only.

I had a contractor neighbor in our previous home (now rental) who would probably help me out. Just thought I'd try eliminating the middle man.

rjspitz

09-15-2005, 10:50 AM

Just called my Sherwin store in Virginia, and as of Jan 1, 2005, ArmorSeal 1000HS is no longer available due to the VOC's in it. She was willing to sell me some that she had in stock prior to Jan 1, but it had sand mixed in it. She didn't know about a replacement for it yet.
So, according to her, nobody can get it, not even contractors.

The spec sheet on the 650 products looks good:
http://www.sherwin.com/pro/sherwin_williams_paint/sherwin_williams_paints/high_performance.jsp

awdirtdrifter

09-15-2005, 10:54 AM

I see. Thanks for the info. Guess I'll work on getting my neighbor to get me the 650.

rjspitz

09-15-2005, 10:58 AM

Here's a good link that describes characteristics of each Armorseal product. Just in case you can't get the 1000HS:
http://www.livingcolorspainting.com/armorseal.html

rjspitz

09-15-2005, 11:20 AM

Found the explanation for the Northeast region:
http://www.sherwin.com/pro/green/pro_information/low_voc.jsp

Haven't found anything for CA yet.

awdirtdrifter

09-15-2005, 11:21 AM

Cool. Thanks for the link.

bmwpower

09-15-2005, 11:28 AM

650 is self leveling. Unless your floor is *perfectly* flat...forget it. You'll be using a boat load to get it looking nice or sanding the floor till the end of time.

This is a total shame. 650 looks very lame compared to the 1000 epoxy. WTF.

Abrasion resistance:

650: 100 mg loss
1000: 64.8 mg loss

krooser

09-30-2005, 10:46 PM

I just did my floor with another product but my friend just went to the Sherwin-Williams store and bought Armor-Seal for his shop...no problem!

PatrickW

10-12-2005, 08:14 PM

I did my floor in Sherwin Williams Armorseal 1000. Didn't have any trouble buying it.

Worked pretty good.

Do a search on my username to find my thread with pictures.

- Patrick

infinii

10-13-2005, 11:47 PM

I walked into a SW store yesterday and he showed me the flyer of the AS1000HS. Didnt have it in stock but would call around for me. He found some at another store here in Toronto.

I'm waiting for him to call back with price and I need to get dimensions of garage before I buy.

HUSTLESTUFF

10-19-2005, 03:12 AM

Ijust bought some SW Macropoxy 646. It's marine industrial product, low VOC. Just finished most of the floor tonight. Will definitely need two coats, but 2 gallons mixed covered about 500 sq ft singlecoat for $90. Was going to do checkered floor, but white looks real good and is screaming for graphics. Bought it from the Chico, Ca store.

awdirtdrifter

10-19-2005, 10:20 AM

Sweet, a Californian. I'll have to check out the Macropoxy. Curious, did you just buy it from a regular SW retail store? Cause on their web site it shows retail and commercial stores as separate.

HUSTLESTUFF

10-19-2005, 11:13 PM

It was a retail store. I am not quite happy with it. It shows the roller texture, ie not self leveling. I was looking for that quality for this section of the floor.I put the white down and it definitely needs two coats. Two kits =four gallons did 24 x26 area. About $95 per kit. I like the white and may not do the checkered.

awdirtdrifter

10-19-2005, 11:27 PM

Any pics? I was thinking of doing white myself.

HUSTLESTUFF

10-22-2005, 07:13 AM

No pics yet, but the SW guy said that the armourseal 700 was a waterbased epoxy. I try to post some next week. Can you attach here or do you need them hosted somewhere?

krooser

10-22-2005, 11:46 AM

mbogosia

10-26-2005, 09:42 PM

I work at Sherwin Williams and we would never sell armor seal to retail customers. Not because we couldn't, but a lot of people do not use it correctly and then would come back to us wanting there floors sandblasted. Our district manager didn't want us selling or recommending any garage floor system because of the liabilities.

REFLEXX

10-26-2005, 10:28 PM

mbogosia,

so what where they doing wrong? Educate us!

REFLEXX

mbogosia

10-27-2005, 05:56 AM

It was always a combination of things. Some out of there control. Moisture in the concrete, not waiting the correct time in between coats, applying too thick, etc.. I am not an expert on this stuff by all means. I mostly sold wall paint to contractors and retail customers. We just didn't want to have someone come back and say our product was defective and have to pay to fix their garage.

mbogosia

10-27-2005, 05:59 AM

Here is a link to the data page. If you read over this carefully and follow it you can do it correctly. http://www.sherlink.com/sher-link/ImgServ?id=datapages/armorseal_650_sl-rc_epoxy_8-25.pdf

Look at the performance tips on the last page. That recoat time is huge. Many people just recoat it when they think its dry, or they don't do it within that 72 hr window. That will cause it to fail.

mbogosia

10-27-2005, 06:44 AM

Here is another product that is on the shelf of every sherwin williams and can be made in almost any color. It is an actual stain instead of paint or epoxy. http://www.sherlink.com/sher-link/ImgServ?id=datapages/handc_silicone_acrylic_sealer_111-01.pdf

mbogosia

10-28-2005, 06:05 PM

Another reason stores don't want to sell it is because we have to usually order it and it only comes in 4 gallon cases. So if you only want 2 part A and 2 part B we are still stuck with 2 of each that might sit there forever. Try going downtown to your commercial stores where they keep it in stock and you won't have a problem.

rjspitz

11-02-2005, 09:43 AM

Found out that I can still get the 1000HS in the county just south of mine. Apparently, the county I live in is the south-most county that has been banned on the east coast. That's good news since I'm looking to buy a new house and will need to paint the garage floor.

bmwpower

11-17-2005, 02:00 AM

I finally found a way to get this stuff. Turns out a friend of a friend can get it since he's a painter. For some, including me, this might be the only way to get this stuff...

muddy

11-17-2005, 06:36 AM

I had no problem at all getting it.......and true to form for what was listed above, they come 4 gallons to a case and when I was done with my floor I had 3 gallons of each left over which is just 1 gallon each short of a case. However, the sherwin williams I dealt with had no problem at all with my returning the six gallons for a refund of 318.00........
Good to deal with. The only thing I would add is that they recommended that on my first coat I reduce the mix 50 percent. Looking back I'd have preferred to have reduced it more like 25 percent but in the end the floors turned out nice after two coats. The pictures of my new shop floor and my garage floor is in gallery section under "detached garage pictures 5" or something like that......... Keith

maphill

10-18-2006, 11:49 AM

Data point: I just got some and applied it (it's October of 2006).

Colorado.

I'm wondering if I need to put on a clear topcoat over the 2 coats of ArmorSeal 1000 HS and flecks....

Mark.

mike944

10-18-2006, 01:24 PM

I called the local SW store, and stopped by and picked it up, no problem. This was last summer (after the ban date)

"Contractors only" never even came up

PAToyota

10-18-2006, 03:09 PM

VOC regulations changed with 01/01/2006 for a number of things in the Northeast. The "contractors only" can be because supposedly the contractors will pay attention to a MSDS whereas a homeowner may not use proper respirators and that sort of thing. Actually, I find that individuals tend to be more likely to follow the warnings - mainly because they read them since they "aren't in the business" - whereas contractors blaze ahead on things because they don't have time to spend on such things.

And understand that rules take effect after dates that they are proposed. Like the IBC 2006 goes into effect 01/01/2007 in areas where it is adopted.