Almost completed 1940's Snap on 9/32 set, thanks to Rikster!

[chad s]

Heres a pic of my almost complete (just need a 5/16 socket, its on its way) 2nd 1940's 9/32 set, with the help of most of the drive tools and some sockets from Rikster. I dont really need 2 of these, but I had some extra boxes, and lots of spare sockets and extensions, so set 2 is almost all together! I love these little sets.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg59/cesinc123/40_9_32_set_2.jpg

[wrenchr]

Very neat!!!!!!!!

[billymade]

Very cool! The Snap-On obsession continues! :)

[old salvage]

mmm :drool:

[chad s]

I have a thing for Snap-on 9/32 sets!

(left to right) c.1926 set, c. 1932 set, and 2 mid 40's sets:
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg59/cesinc123/9_32_sets.jpg

[wrenchr]

Chad,
The odd 9/32 ratchet could you post some close up pics of that?? Very neat!!!!! 2nd from the left.

[chad s]

Chad,
The odd 9/32 ratchet could you post some close up pics of that?? Very neat!!!!! 2nd from the left.

It's the M-70, the first Snap-on 9/32 "midget" ratchet they made, first introduced in 1932, and made for only a few years. Mine is date coded 1932.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg82/chadshapiro/M70a.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg82/chadshapiro/M70b.jpg

[wrenchr]

Cool!!! If you ever come across another one let me know!!

[chad s]

Cool!!! If you ever come across another one let me know!!

Will do, last one that came up on ebay a few months ago went for $54! You can find them in a lot of tools for less though.

[wrenchr]

Yah I do not want to drop a bunch of coin on it.

[ephotrod]

That is a cool set. I have a Bonney Metal case with a a couple craftsman 1/4 drive sockets in there and its a very handy deal. I like the little package setups.
Josh

[billymade]

Hey, no hi jack but chad s, look what I found in a lot of tools I bought the other day at a pawn shop! I did a quick search of the patent # and it seems to be a early piston ring installer/removal tool. http://www.google.com/patents?id=w1xqAAAAEBAJ&dq=1805543 From what I can tell Snap-on was producing the tool under license. What I find interesting is that it has Bluepoint and Snap-On logos on the same tool! The logos are very early and different then I have ever seen. I thought you might find this interesting!
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/billymade/IMG_6421.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/billymade/IMG_6423.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/billymade/IMG_6426.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/billymade/IMG_6431.jpg

[chad s]

Hey, no hi jack but chad s, look what I found in a lot of tools I bought the other day at a pawn shop! I did a quick search of the patent # and it seems to be a early piston ring installer/removal tool. http://www.google.com/patents?id=w1xqAAAAEBAJ&dq=1805543 From what I can tell Snap-on was producing the tool under license. What I find interesting is that it has Bluepoint and Snap-On logos on the same tool! The logos are very early and different then I have ever seen. I thought you might find this interesting!
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/billymade/IMG_6421.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/billymade/IMG_6423.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/billymade/IMG_6426.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/billymade/IMG_6431.jpg

These logo's are not logo's that were ever used by Snap On for either of their lines (SO and BP) as standard. BP tools have always been outsourced tools from the start, and this tool was labeled by the actual manufacturer (whoever it was), with lettering that was not snap on styled. There are 3 main snap on style logo's used through the years, and they did change slightly (a lot of change during the 20's and early 30's, but all very similar), but the ones you see on this tool are not seen anywhere else. It is not uncommon on some of the outsourced blue point specialty tools from the early years to have unusual style letterings that dont fit into the logo timeline.

[chad s]

Here is a blue point valve grinder gear cover plate. The Blue Point logo is similar to the snap on script style, but the "SNAP ON TOOLS INC" doesnt resemble any scipt they really used.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=18164&d=1210305034

[billymade]

Here is a box end from the same lot.
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/billymade/IMG_6361.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/billymade/IMG_6363.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/billymade/IMG_6364.jpg
production code?

[eschoendorff]

man, those are some great pictures of old Snap On / Blue Point tools! Keep them coming! :beer:

[chad s]

man, those are some great pictures of old Snap On / Blue Point tools! Keep them coming! :beer:

I gotta get to work, but when I get home tonight, I'll post some more stuff.

[chad s]

Keep them coming! :beer:

Here we go...

1920's 5/8 drive set:
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg59/cesinc123/5_8_set_a.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg59/cesinc123/5_8_set_b.jpg

The box has been repainted at one time (with a brush!), its time for a restoration, coming soon.

[chad s]

This is a 1929 (only offered in 1928-29) 3/8 drive Tap collet. 3/8 "Ferret" tools from the late 20's are extremely rare, and this being a specialty type tool, makes it even further obscure. This is one of only 2 known to exist, unfortunately someone tightened it way too tightly a long time back, but its still quite special to me.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg59/cesinc123/tap_collet.jpg

[chad s]

The RS4-L ratchet speeder from the 50's is somewhat well known, but rare. There are 4 versions of the RS4 speeder ratchet, and the first one from 1939 is very rare, only sold for one year, before the design was changed to fit the hands much better. The 1939 RS4 is very awkward to use due to its small size and square shape. Very few are known to exist.

The 1953 RS4L:
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg59/cesinc123/RS4L.jpg

And the original 1939 RS4:
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg59/cesinc123/RS4_b.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg59/cesinc123/RS4_a.jpg

[wilbilt]

man, those are some great pictures of old Snap On / Blue Point tools! Keep them coming! :beer:

I have a few of those old guys...

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/wilbilt/snap.jpg

[chad s]

I have a few of those old guys...

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/wilbilt/snap.jpg

What is the drive size(s) on those?

[dxdexter]

Chad, not to hijack your thread, and I know I showed this tool prior, but do you have any idea on this ratchet. There is no date code and I sent a picture to Snap-on Canada and they estimated it was produced around 1937 to 1939. It is a GM-70-M, 1/4" drive.

The stamping is on the inside of the handle and the script (more precisely the "S") is slightly different then what I have seen.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z102/dxdexter/ratchetwrenchphotos022-1.jpg

[wilbilt]

What is the drive size(s) on those?

They are all 1/2" drive except for the slotted socket in the front. It is 3/8"' drive. It looks like the part no. is "F 3".

The one in the back is a 1/2" to 7/16" square drive adaptor. I am not sure if it is Snap-On or not. It just says "7-16 Made in USA".

I am not sure on the date codes. The ones I can make out are "0", but they look wider than the 1930 "0", but not as square as the 1950 "0".

If I had to guess, I would say they are probably 1950. That is the vintage of most of the other tools in the group I obtained them from.

Sadly, they used to be in much better condition. They are victims of my "great tool flood" of about ten years ago.

[wilbilt]

I also have these old Blue Point wrenches. I have tried to get good closeups of them without success. More camera training needed ;)

These were among my most often reached-for tools when doing wheel alignments. They are both 5/8" x 3/4". I used them yesterday setting the camber on my daughter's Mustang.

I have not found a date code on them. The "Boxocket" lettering on both looks similar to the wrench posted earlier in this thread. I remember the days when you could fix anything with a 3/4" wrench. ;)

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/wilbilt/wrenches.jpg

[billymade]

The only reason I was able to get close up shot is the "macro" feature on the camera; I have a canon and you choose macro in the "menu" by choosing a icon that looks like a big flower. Each brand is different but the macro feature will allow you to get in really close to your subject; your milage may vary....

[wilbilt]

The only reason I was able to get close up shot is the "macro" feature on the camera; I have a canon and you choose macro in the "menu" by choosing a icon that looks like a big flower. Each brand is different but the macro feature will allow you to get in really close to your subject; your milage may vary....

Yeah, I tried "auto" and I tried "flower". It seems to be hit and miss.

The cheaper cameras are getting better and the better cameras are getting cheaper. I'll figure it out one of these days...

[Moose-LandTran]

Very cool.

i have to say, i reach for many of my older tools before any of the newer ones. i have some 5" combination pliers of my dad's in my tool box. no idea who made them, or how old they are, but i like them a lot more than my year-old Stanley pliers.

my new (to me) F-70N arrived the other day, and for a 62-year-old ratchet it's much smoother than my F936s, i reach for it before them unless i need lots of torque on a fastener. it's very smooth in its action, and feels better in my hand.

[billymade]

Don't mean to turn this into a camera technique thread but lighting is crucial when taking pictures; many of the digital camera cannot focus well in low light situations. The close up and other shots I did were outside with natural light and "variable" light; in this case light streaming down from evening sunset, through my trees branches. Take your tools outside with natural light and you probably be surprised how much better the focus and shots will turn out. :)

[eschoendorff]

I also have these old Blue Point wrenches. I have tried to get good closeups of them without success. More camera training needed ;)

These were among my most often reached-for tools when doing wheel alignments. They are both 5/8" x 3/4". I used them yesterday setting the camber on my daughter's Mustang.

I have not found a date code on them. The "Boxocket" lettering on both looks similar to the wrench posted earlier in this thread. I remember the days when you could fix anything with a 3/4" wrench. ;)

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/wilbilt/wrenches.jpg

A yellow car with red flames???? Really Will??? And I though I was the butt of all the jokes around here (well, me and Merkava) :lol:

[wilbilt]

A yellow car with red flames???? Really Will??? And I though I was the butt of all the jokes around here (well, me and Merkava) :lol:

My daughter brought it home from Alabama. What can I say?
It has been dubbed "The Flaming Lemon".

My daughter would rather drive her '67 Mustang, so the lemon is going to be the wife's DD until I can get my truck to pass smog. For the present, I am assigned to the Dodge Caravan in the background. Confused yet?
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/wilbilt/flaminglemon.jpg

If I hear one more "soccer mom" joke, I'm gonna kick somebody's ass. :mad:

[Uncle Buck]

My daughter brought it home from Alabama. What can I say?
It has been dubbed "The Flaming Lemon".

My daughter would rather drive her '67 Mustang, so the lemon is going to be the wife's DD until I can get my truck to pass smog. For the present, I am assigned to the Dodge Caravan in the background. Confused yet?
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/wilbilt/flaminglemon.jpg

If I hear one more "soccer mom" joke, I'm gonna kick somebody's ass. :mad:


Well I guess this thing explains why you still have the flamed tool pics at your fingertips! :lol_hitti

[chad s]

Chad, not to hijack your thread, and I know I showed this tool prior, but do you have any idea on this ratchet. There is no date code and I sent a picture to Snap-on Canada and they estimated it was produced around 1937 to 1939. It is a GM-70-M, 1/4" drive.

The stamping is on the inside of the handle and the script (more precisely the "S") is slightly different then what I have seen.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z102/dxdexter/ratchetwrenchphotos022-1.jpg

The GM-70-M 1/4 would be late 1940's. 1/4 drive replaced 9/32 drive in the snap on line after WWII. There was one 1/4" drive ratchet made by Snap On in 1937 (to fit other companies sockets), but only one is known to exist. Im surprised Snap On canada wasnt more on top of their dating, aa in 99.999% of the time, a ratchet from 1937-39 would be 9/32 drive, and the part number would start with an "M".

[Uncle Buck]

A yellow car with red flames???? Really Will??? And I though I was the butt of all the jokes around here (well, me and Merkava) :lol:

Rest assured, Wills daughters car will be good for a few laughs, but that will in no way slow most of us down from continuing to keep you and your magic pink slippers located at front and center mister! And as for Merkava................well we do have that tightening his own hand in a vise thing, and then there is that cardboard box thing, and also......................:lol_hitti:spit:

[wilbilt]

We have gone well beyond jacking Chad's thread.

Sorry, chad s.

Let's take it elsewhere, UB!

LOL

[lbgradwell]

The GM-70-M 1/4 would be late 1940's. 1/4 drive replaced 9/32 drive in the snap on line after WWII. There was one 1/4" drive ratchet made by Snap On in 1937 (to fit other companies sockets), but only one is known to exist. Im surprised Snap On canada wasnt more on top of their dating, aa in 99.999% of the time, a ratchet from 1937-39 would be 9/32 drive, and the part number would start with an "M".

Chad, when you say "only one is known to exist", you mean one model right, not a solitary ratchet!?

I know you have found errors on the following site (http://collectingsnapon.com/Site/14drivesets-697.html) before, but is this another one?:

"The Midget ¼ drive. Snap on really focused on the 9/32 inch drive until 1946, but ¼ drives were available and Snap On knew it. They produced a ratchet to accept sockets for other companies Called the GM-70M (1937) and the GM70-L (1941 – 1945?)."

The model number matches exactly & is consistent with SO Canada's estimate. Could Dex have a very rare ratchet on his hands?