The rest of the story on my 94 Chevy.... dialup, go make a sandwich...

[eschoendorff]

Turns out I had two failures at the same time. I wish that I would have save my charred pickup coil to show you all.. but that didn't make it. The other issue was the fuel pump. You could actually hear the motor groaning. I had the truck towed to the local repair shop for diagnosis and repair because I have not had time (during the daylight hours) for anything but my job.

However, when the service writer called me back and said that it was indeed a fuel pump and that $509.00 was a best case scenario and $8xx.xx if they had to replace teh sending unit too... I MADE TIME in a big hurry. Had the truck towed back to my place and yesterday went something like this:

Said truck:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/eschoendorff/IMG_1463.jpg

Improvised truck pusher:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/eschoendorff/IMG_1455.jpg

No way in hell am I going to drop the tank out if the thing. When I gets pissed, I go in from the top:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/eschoendorff/IMG_1454.jpg

Bed moved to its waiting room:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/eschoendorff/IMG_1453.jpg

[eschoendorff]

Here's how I got the bed off in such short order:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/eschoendorff/IMG_1456.jpg

And here is the guilty party:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/eschoendorff/IMG_1459.jpg

New carter fuel pump and sender assembly ($211.xx from Murray's auto parts):

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/eschoendorff/IMG_1458.jpg

Coaxing the old fittings with a locking wrench from Vise-Grip and a 16mm CRAFTSMAN PRO flare wrench. Guess what??? That Cman Pro worked like a champ on those old nasty fittings. That little fecker had grip to spare. So much for the notion that Craftsman Pro tools are junk....

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/eschoendorff/IMG_1460.jpg

New carter unit in place:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/eschoendorff/IMG_1461.jpg

Ha! Success!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/eschoendorff/IMG_1462.jpg

And part of my mess to clean up....

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/eschoendorff/IMG_1457.jpg

[eschoendorff]

Now I need to take a nap before I go screw with the timing...
Auto ace - or anyone else - I can barely make pout the markings on my trucks timing marker. Anyone got a diagram for a 94 Chevy VIN K????

[krusty the clown]

i think the 0 mark is the one all the way to the right.........it's shorter that the others. the tdc mark is usually a little different for just that reason.

[krusty the clown]

for future reference this one is cheap enough to have in the garage......

http://www.amazon.com/Actron-CP7504-Inductive-Timing-Light/dp/B00020BM1Y

[SpiderGearsMan]

don't forget to unhook the timing connector -tan wire under the passenger side carpet

that is the best way to do fuel pumps

[tatra]

under the carpet?....spidey, i thought it was in the engine compartment ?....is there another one?:confused:

[wilbilt]

My '88 has it on the firewall, but I have heard some later trucks have the connector located near the ECM under the passenger side dash.

[Fedwrench]

under the carpet?....spidey, i thought it was in the engine compartment ?....is there another one?:confused:

I think on 1994 and newer models in in the right side of the cab.

Where's the new fuel filter to go with the new pump?

[eschoendorff]

I think on 1994 and newer models in in the right side of the cab.

Where's the new fuel filter to go with the new pump?

if you mean the strainer... it's the green thingie. As for the inline fuel filtr, it was replace a month ago with some leaky fuel lines.

[Fedwrench]

if you mean the strainer... it's the green thingie. As for the inline fuel filtr, it was replace a month ago with some leaky fuel lines.

I meant the inline filter. I encounter alot of fuel filter issues with the quality Arizona gas we have and new fuel modules always get new filters. How did the electrical connector look on the pump? anything melted?

[tatra]

so 94 they changed the position?...good to know.....haven't had any reason to touch timing on a vehicle in awhile myself ..........my latest aquisition is a 92 dual fuel c 2500 w/ a 5.7..............last truck was a 93............and on my friends 97 no timing issues so never had to go searching for the tan wire..........learned something new so now off to try and kill those cells off w/ a beer.............:beer:

[eschoendorff]

I meant the inline filter. I encounter alot of fuel filter issues with the quality Arizona gas we have and new fuel modules always get new filters. How did the electrical connector look on the pump? anything melted?

Nope. Nothing melted. Really the pump was making strange sounds... inconsistent growls. I think it may have been a failure within the motor itself. Hell, that pump/sending unit only cost me $135... 4 years ago! For that kind of money, and seeing that changing a fuel pump and sending unit out by pulling the bed takes me less than 2 hours, I'll go with it.

[tatra]

oops, you answered my question from the other thread here:lol_hitti

[jay50]

Nice work.
IMHO, I would have gone with an AC/Delco fuel pump instead of carter.

[russlaferrera]

You went about it the right way. To drop the tank,you still be doing the job. Glad, all went your way.

[rickairmedic]

I had to replace the pump in my 02 chevy van recently and you cant lift the bed off of it . I did find the trick to doing it though :D A motorcycle jack made short work of dropping the tank and kept it from squashing me . The tnk on the dang van is like 7 or 8 feet long.


Rick

[eschoendorff]

Nice work.
IMHO, I would have gone with an AC/Delco fuel pump instead of carter.
Not at $400+ quoted to me. The hell with that! This $211.xx pump seems to be doing just fine.

[nissan_crawler]

I had to do this a while back, too. I went a different route though. I dropped my tank, only took about 15 minutes or so with a floor jack.

I also did away with the in-tank pump and went external. If it happens again and I'm in the middle of some trail, I can easily replace it with the spare I'll carry and keep on going.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f56/chevyman_57/Nissan%20SAS/msdpump.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f56/chevyman_57/Nissan%20SAS/fuelpump.jpg

I had issues with the factory fuel pressure regulator (bolts onto throttle body) not being able to handle the extra flow and pressure from the new pump (1300 rpm idle, much crackling and surging). I bought a second regulator and did some bench testing to set the second regulator to 42 p.s.i., and the factory one takes it from that down to the 36 p.s.i. required.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f56/chevyman_57/Nissan%20SAS/DSC00354.jpg

I removed the factory pump assembly, drilled out the existing line, got a piece of brake line, bent it to what I need and borrowed a tool to put the beading on the end, then welded it in the pickup assembly.

It cost me $200 with two pumps (spare) and the pressure regulator and fittings from mcmaster.

Here's a diagram, I also added a 100 micron filter before the pump.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f56/chevyman_57/Nissan%20SAS/msdsetup.jpg

[lauver]

Nissan Crawler,

Nice bit of engineering and fabrication. Very clean, and trailworthy! It just may be the better mouse trap!

[supra129]

Looks familiar to what I did on my '97 GMC truck. The metal lines that are connected to the fuel bracket on top of the tank were so rusted that they twisted right off as i was trying to remove the rubber hoses from it. I was just hoping to replace the pump and strainer($120) but instead had to buy a new fuel pump bracket assembly($400). At that time my truck had 95k and now it has 118k.

The thing about most newer GM trucks is that the fuel pump is loud and you can tell if you got a dead pump or not, as my cousin said it sounds like a jet engine.

[wilbilt]

seeing that changing a fuel pump and sending unit out by pulling the bed takes me less than 2 hours, I'll go with it.

I think I'll go that route as well. Mine's a longbed with the 34 gallon tank. I don't want to wear that for a hat.

[billymade]

My brother did one and we just "propped it up" a little bit instead of removing it all the way off the bed; just make sure you don't damaged the bed.... he dented one of the corners near the bumper up a little but the it may have been, because the bumper was pushed in already...

[bchee]

Improvised truck pusher:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/eschoendorff/IMG_1455.jpg


:lol_hitti:lol_hitti

did you get any funny looks from the neighbors??

What was your total cost with all the towing included?

[eschoendorff]

:lol_hitti:lol_hitti

did you get any funny looks from the neighbors??

What was your total cost with all the towing included?


I am used to funny looks from the neighbors. Actually, my neighbors helped me lift the bed off and then back on the truck.


The towing was covered (after an hour of arguing) by AAA. The pump/sender cost $211, the ignition parts cost about $170.

Again, the fuel pump/sender job ALONE was quoted at over $800.... :shocking:

As of this morning, the truck is again roadworthy. :pimpflash

[billymade]

There are some things you don't get, when paying someone else for repairing your vehicle; the satisfaction of a job well done (these days I always end up being unhappy with other peoples work), knowing all the money you saved and being proud you figured out what ended up being wrong with your truck... priceless!!!

[bchee]

As of this morning, the truck is again roadworthy. :pimpflash


sweet:beer: no timing issues?

[bchee]

There are some things you don't get, when paying someone else for repairing your vehicle; the satisfaction of a job well done (these days I always end up being unhappy with other peoples work), knowing all the money you saved and being proud you figured out what ended up being wrong with your truck... priceless!!!

I hear you.
years ago my rear brakes wore out and were dragging on the drum. I took it to get fixed and they said they changed the shoes. I wanted to see what they did, so I took the drum off later and discovered that the brakes on one side were essentially disabled. The pistons? from the cylinder were not attached back to the shoes.