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Monte

01-25-2009, 06:28 PM

:bounce::beer:
some pictures of my tool collection :thumbup:

Wiha and Bahco (Belzer ) reversible screwdrivers
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00008-1.jpg
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00007-2.jpg

Wiha PZ and PH offset drivers
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00010.jpg

Turnus (www.turnus.de) locking pliers (made by scangrip (http://www.scangrip.com/uk/)
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00014.jpg

Facom locking pliers
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00016.jpg

A brush and the newer version of the famous "PUK" saw
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00024.jpg

Rennsteig (http://www.rennsteig.us/) screw extractors
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/jgj1.jpg

Rennsteig (http://www.rennsteig.us/) punches w/ handles
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/jgj3.jpg

Matador (http://matador.de/) 1/4" Torx sockets
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/jgj5.jpg

You might know the Bluepoint version, heres the Bahco answer :thumbup:
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/jgj6.jpg

A collection of Carolus (Gedore) sockets
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/okju9.jpg

Gedore pliers
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/nhkghz165.jpg

A Leinen (www.fza-morsificio.com) vice

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/fght30.jpg

Heuer Front vise (www.brockhaus-heuer.de)
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/fght31.jpg

a Merkle (http://www.merkle.de/) Mig welder
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/hj4.jpg

peep what we have here :thumbup:
AC DK20HLQ (http://www.ac-hydraulic.com/Default.asp?mode=showproduct&id=45)

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/fght21.jpg

bchee

01-25-2009, 06:35 PM

that is a beautiful, exotic collection (exotic to me, at least).

Where is that BAHCO ratcheting screwdriver made? I bet it's made in the same place the SK one is.

One brand of tools that I would like to see more of is BETA. Do you have any of that stuff?

billymade

01-25-2009, 06:35 PM

T56 Impala

01-25-2009, 06:46 PM

Very nice! That FACON Locking plier looks mean!!!

Paladin

01-25-2009, 07:55 PM

Very nice! That FACON Locking plier looks mean!!!

I agree! Those Facom pliers look bad ass!:thumbup:

Monte

01-25-2009, 08:03 PM

that is a beautiful, exotic collection (exotic to me, at least).

Where is that BAHCO ratcheting screwdriver made? I bet it's made in the same place the SK one is.

Here`s the answer :)

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/okju6.jpg

There is also a "KS-Tools" version

http://www.fachhandel-web.de/media/images/1592060-large.jpg

but this one from Facom seems to be a little bit different

http://www.facom-deutschland.de/media/images/acl1pb-large.jpg

Monte

01-25-2009, 08:11 PM

One brand of tools that I would like to see more of is BETA. Do you have any of that stuff?

yes sir ! But I only have a couple of items , 2 extensions , 2 pliers ,
1 socket :bounce: and this:

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00048.jpg

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00050.jpg

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00054.jpg

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00053.jpg

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00058.jpg

superautobacs

01-25-2009, 08:22 PM

Monte

01-25-2009, 08:26 PM

Monte, this stuff is amazing! Could you explain your background? This looks like you work in a pro shop; how do you know so much about tools? Mein Gott! Everything looks like it just oozes, Alte Welt Qualität! :)

Lol ! Sprechen Sie Deutsch ? :bounce:

Basically that are the tools which i bought for my hobby. Here`s a pic of my "garage". Basically its a big hall where i rented a small place
( about 20x30 foot ) so i can work on my monte or on other cars....
no pro shop , only DIY shop :bounce:

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/wewe34.jpg

Merkava_4

01-25-2009, 08:29 PM

Monte, how do you release the Turnus pliers?

Paladin

01-25-2009, 08:36 PM

Exotics galore!!!

I've been curious to find out on my own, who the OEM for those ratcheting screwdrivers are (SK, Bahco, SO, and Suekage Tools (SEK) http://www.abit-tools.com/ippin_pages/hand2/sek_rachedora_a.htmlWell, I now know where it's made in; question now is who in Taiwan makes them!

EDIT: I just realized Monte's post showing the exact same one that SEK sells. Monte, where is KS-Tools from?

I recently bought a SEK 25/32" 1/2" drive socket at a pawn shop. I normally buy US made sockets, but the quality of the SEK was NICE, so I bought it for .25 cents. I couldn't find anything about SEK on the net?

Monte

01-25-2009, 08:39 PM

Exotics galore!!!

I've been curious to find out on my own, who the OEM for those ratcheting screwdrivers are (SK, Bahco, SO, and Suekage Tools (SEK) http://www.abit-tools.com/ippin_pages/hand2/sek_rachedora_a.htmlWell, I now know where it's made in; question now is who in Taiwan makes them!

EDIT: I just realized Monte's post showing the exact same one that SEK sells. Monte, where is KS-Tools from?

KS-Tools (http://www.kstools.de/) is a german company/brand (not a producer only importer of tools). Here are some PDF catalogs (http://www.kstools.co.uk/)

Maybe if we look trough these pages we can find the manufacturer
click (http://www.taiwanhandtools.com.tw/index-e-11.asp)
or here click (http://www.cens.com/)

Monte

01-25-2009, 08:42 PM

I recently bought a SEK 25/32" 1/2" drive socket at a pawn shop. I normally buy US made sockets, but the quality of the SEK was NICE, so I bought it for .25 cents. I couldn't find anything about SEK on the net?

http://www.suekage.co.jp/

Monte

01-25-2009, 08:57 PM

Monte, how do you release the Turnus pliers?

You have to push this lever:
the same goes for the Facom pliers

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/turnus.jpg

http://www.scangrip.com/uk/images/123/123.jpg

Scangrip website (http://www.scangrip.com/uk/x_index.asp?url=scangrip.asp)
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Monte

01-25-2009, 09:20 PM

Very nice! That FACON Locking plier looks mean!!!

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/vrtz24.jpg

some close up`s

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/vrtz3.jpg

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/vrtz.jpg

The handle is made out of cast aluminium , the body is made out of steel plate while the forged jaws are riveted in place. Very nice ! I also like that release mechanism. But unfortunately the price is ridiculous ( $ 53,80) Luckily it was on sale....

Paladin

01-25-2009, 09:35 PM

http://www.suekage.co.jp/

Thanks Monte! I should have said I can't find anything about them in english! I don't expect to run across any more any time soon, but if I do, I am really wanting to know if they are worth my time and money.

WOOS1

01-25-2009, 09:36 PM

The Facom pliers are definately cool!

bchee

01-25-2009, 09:53 PM

The really sad thing about those FACOM pliers is that they are used to kill innocent chickenss....

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28937&showall=1

bchee

01-25-2009, 09:55 PM

not as pretty as I thought they were going to be, but still nice. Thanks:beer:

yes sir ! But I only have a couple of items , 2 extensions , 2 pliers ,
1 socket :bounce: and this:
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00048.jpg

billymade

01-25-2009, 10:02 PM

Monte

01-25-2009, 10:35 PM

The Beta wrenches are a little bit brighter in real life, more glossy than the hazet ones. If you drive an italian car i would get them.. if you drive an german car i`d get the Hazet or wille wrenches :)

Monte

01-25-2009, 10:42 PM

So, I guess you are a Chevy man? Monte Carlo fan? :) What year is it? I would guess mid to late 80s!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Monte_Carlo
Ich spreche nur ein bisschen Deutsch! The internet translation helps! LOL! :)
:bounce:
yes its a 1986 MC LS the one with the "euro" headlights. I`m basically a fan of all those GM B/C and G-Body cars. Sure there are better cars like the 68 camaro RS or a 59 impala coupe , but you get these cars cheap and they`re nice daily drivers...

Monte

01-25-2009, 11:20 PM

Erdi (http://www.bessey.de/website/en/home.jsp) left + right snips

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00005.jpg

Peddinghaus/ (http://peddinghaus.de/) pin punches

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00016-1.jpg

Gedore locking pliers

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00019.jpg
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00022.jpg

the german vise-grip version

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00026.jpg
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00029.jpg
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00027.jpg

Hazet impact sockets

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00032.jpg
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00033.jpg

Habero (Gedore) club hammer and Halder (http://www.halder.de) engineers hammer german pattern

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00034.jpg

additional fixing plate for added security

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00037.jpg

looks like its grinded to DIN standards:thumbup: :-)

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00038.jpg

Wiha telescopic srewdriver

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00042.jpg
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00043.jpg
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00044.jpg

bchee

01-25-2009, 11:36 PM

more exotic beauties:drool:

What does the ridge do on the female end?

Gregster

01-25-2009, 11:42 PM

JAW dropping... everything is so nice.

autoace

01-26-2009, 12:06 AM

:bounce:
yes its a 1986 MC LS the one with the "euro" headlights. I`m basically a fan of all those GM B/C and G-Body cars. Sure there are better cars like the 68 camaro RS or a 59 impala coupe , but you get these cars cheap and they`re nice daily drivers...

I like those 80's Monte Carlos, I bought an '85 Buick Regal,limited to make into a bracket car. I had two Monte SS cars in the past, once you ditch the 305 for a built 400SB they really move. The aftermarket makes so many goodies for these cars.:bounce:

krusty the clown

01-26-2009, 12:17 AM

more exotic beauties:drool:

What does the ridge do on the female end?

makes it easier to put it on an extension or ratchet would be my guess

Nik_95Cobra

01-26-2009, 02:00 AM

http://www.fachhandel-web.de/media/images/1592060-large.jpg
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/jgj6.jpg

My Dad has the Blue-Point one, and I'll tell ya...I like the way it feels better than my Snap-On ones and any other ratcheting screwdriver I've used.

Monte

01-26-2009, 07:36 AM

more exotic beauties:drool:

What does the ridge do on the female end?

So the extensions, anvils etc, engage easier. Some dont have the spring to hold the sockets in place but a ball or pin (like the normal ratchets)

http://www.koken-tool.co.jp/catalog/img/main/impact/nv/nv14760.jpg

My Dad has the Blue-Point one, and I'll tell ya...I like the way it feels better than my Snap-On ones and any other ratcheting screwdriver I've used.

I only have this so i cant compare but the ratcheting action is very nice !
Good to know i bought the right one !

Monte

01-26-2009, 07:37 AM

I like those 80's Monte Carlos, I bought an '85 Buick Regal,limited to make into a bracket car. I had two Monte SS cars in the past, once you ditch the 305 for a built 400SB they really move. The aftermarket makes so many goodies for these cars.:bounce:

Thats what I`m talking about ! :thumbup::bounce:

billymade

01-26-2009, 09:07 AM

zuspiel

01-26-2009, 09:28 AM

Very nice stuff, Monte! :thumbup:

Monte

01-26-2009, 07:33 PM

So, what is it gonna take for your car to pass the dreaded auto TÜV inspection? How hard is it to pass the TÜV; for those of us who don't understand the test? When I was in Germany, many people said after 7 years or so; many cars got taken to the junk yard, because there was too many repairs and it wasn't cost effective to keep the car; is this true?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technischer_Überwachungsverein

Every car/motorcycle has to pass the TÜV inspection every 2 years. Is the car new the first inspection is after 3 years then every 2 yrs. The TÜV checks everything from the brakes, tires, wheels, frame/body, exhaust system, steering, shocks, lights (function , height adjustment) , wipers, horn, windshield, mirrors, seats, belts, and all safety systems (air restraint system, anti lock brakes etc.) plus the electrical systems (if OBD equipped car). They also check for rust/corrosion (underbody, structual parts, brake lines, suspension). They perform a brake test (machine looks like a dyno tester) , they they have to work evenly and surpass a certain value. They also perform a emission test and the proper function of the catalytic converter to see if the emission is within legal range.
Then they fill out a inspection report were the defects are written down. If the car is ok you pay your $122 and get the new stickers on your license plate . If there are any major defects you have to repair them within a month and they will check your car again and see if the defects are removed.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/KennzeichenDeutschlandStandard.jpg

so if you drive an old jalopy with rust or many defects the inspector may look closer , if you have bad luck he will pull his screwdriver and try to pierce through the rusted parts. But most modern cars have zink plated bodys so thats more a problem of cars from the 80`s or 90`s . But nothing holds up forever so on older cars there is always something wrong like rusted exhaust system, steering linkage, shocks etc. So if too many defects occur it might not pay off to repair it since you can expect to pay about $80.- an hour (cheap) or if you drive to mercedes or audi etc. you pay around $ 130.- for a mechanics hour, so if you cant repair it yourself and have to hire someone its gonna be expensive. The other reason to scrap your older car is you pay more tax because they have higher co2 emissions .
And from january 2009 the goverment gives you 2500.- Euro (about 3300 $) if you bring your car to a junkyard and buy a new one, so you could buy a brand new "Dacia Logan" for $9900 minus $3300 = 6600 minus dealer rebate , so lets say you can buy a brand new car here now for just $6000.- so thats another reason to scrap your car:bounce:

v8garage

01-26-2009, 08:01 PM

I really like that Leinen vise. Never heard of that one though. Is that a German vise manufacturer? Do they make other tools?

Monte

01-26-2009, 08:21 PM

I really like that Leinen vise. Never heard of that one though. Is that a German vise manufacturer? Do they make other tools?

They`re made in Italy http://www.fza-morsificio.com/azienda.htm
They sell their vises under the Leinen, Ursus and FZA brand, they also have pipe vises and machine vises.

There are some other companies here like Durlach (French)
and Schlegel (german)
http://www.durlach-gmbh.de/deutsch/produkte/auswahl/produkte_slices/schraubstoecke1.jpg
http://www.schlegel-schraubstoecke.de/images/schraubstock.gif

www.schlegel-schraubstoecke.de/
(www.schlegel-schraubstoecke.de/)
http://www.durlach-gmbh.de/

pirana

01-26-2009, 09:26 PM

I'm curious as to how the finish on the Beta wrenches is done. They look bead blasted. I like the look of them.

Monte

01-27-2009, 07:49 PM

some more Beta:

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00003-1.jpg
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00005-2.jpg

other stuff:

Bahco pliers (Made in France)

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00026-1.jpg

Bahco wrenches 10" + 6" (Made in sweden/spain)

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00033-1.jpg
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00035.jpg
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00041.jpg
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00042-1.jpg

Facom 8" + Bahco 4"

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00071.jpg

Monte

01-28-2009, 05:42 PM

got my salary today :D

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00014-1.jpg
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00023.jpg
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00022-1.jpg

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00057.jpg
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00058-1.jpg

kartracer55

01-28-2009, 07:27 PM

The really sad thing about those FACOM pliers is that they are used to kill innocent chickenss....

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28937&showall=1

Holy *&%! lol

superautobacs

01-28-2009, 08:00 PM

[QUOTE=Monte;382873]got my salary today :D

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00022-1.jpg

Is that an unconventional way of affixing two pieces together? Interesting design...never heard of that brand.

billymade

01-28-2009, 09:36 PM

I like the Hazet lug nut sockets with the plastic protection; how much were those? I would think expensive alloy rims would thank you, for using them! :)

zuspiel

01-29-2009, 09:12 AM

More great stuff, Monte! :bowdown:

I only know Solingen from knives...

billymade, yeah, those thin impacts with the plastic sleeves look neat. The Toptul wishlist that I sent in yesterday included a 4 piece set for something like $27 (before the GJ rebate). I have a feeling the Hazet ones might have been a bit more expensive...

bchee

01-29-2009, 01:51 PM

Yeah, what are these for?:headscrat

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00022-1.jpg

Monte

01-29-2009, 02:23 PM

The Hazet Socket-set (17,19,21mm) is on sale for 26.- + tax =30,94 Euro ( $ 40,15) Part no.: 903 SPC/3
Maybe there is someone in the US who can get close to this price...

Monte

01-29-2009, 02:52 PM

Yeah, what are these for?:headscrat

Yes Solingen, Remscheid, Wuppertal. Thats were all the good stuff comes from :D:D:D (and Stuttgart, Ingolstadt, München of course :D)

Thats a regular side cutter. Thats what the catalog say:

-Side cutters with new profiled and relieved back for better life endurance and much better cutting results.
-The new profiled and relieved back reduce the squeezing effect and the effort.
- Anti-slip function for cable, fix cutting position.

I didnt try it since i have a cable cutter for that application i just liked the design :D

NWS Tools PDF (http://nws-tools.de/image/download/NWS%20Katalog%202008_01.pdf) (core programme)

www.nws-tools.de (www.nws-tools.de/English/indexeng.html)

Monte

02-03-2009, 05:37 PM

Some Knipex pliers with the old school handle sitting in the shelves of the dealer for about 7-8 yrs. Had to free them :)

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/sayx17.jpg

shipment from the factory with the missing sizes..

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00001-1.jpg

"Kirschen" chisel, Bahco scraper, Knipex Self-Adjusting Insulation Stripper with adjustable length stop
(works like a charm ! )

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/hztg5.jpg

Skyline

02-03-2009, 06:11 PM

If you guys like Bahco...here's a pretty good deal on our side of the pond for a general service socket set:

http://www.toolsnow.com/browse.cfm/4,2333.html

If you search their site, they also have a 1/2" Bahco ratchet set for $49.99 as well.

Andy Scott

02-04-2009, 03:55 AM

Complete solution for many splice applications. I´ve bought this kit from Rennsteig (http://www.rennsteig.us/products-overview/usa-special.html) at the AAPEX Show in Vegas.

http://www.heilo.info/us/CIMG3419.JPG

Monte

02-04-2009, 05:57 PM

nice set ! Whats the blue thing ? (torch ?) Did you watch the Rennsteig video on their site :D

Hawk321

02-05-2009, 08:05 AM

Here a rare BERNSTEIN plier, BERNSTEIN is/was the Star for TV/Radio technicians

http://www.bilderhoster.net/thumbs/c9543aaf.jpg (http://www.bilderhoster.net/img.php?id=c9543aaf.jpg)

Next, some WIHA GERMANY screwdrivers. The one with the wood handle is for PoziDrive fasteners, often found at furnitures and EU Ford cars.I like wood handles, feels great.
The yellow one is VDE certified, and resist up to 1000 V !
http://www.bilderhoster.net/thumbs/c2nm1xvs.jpg (http://www.bilderhoster.net/img.php?id=c2nm1xvs.jpg)

http://www.bilderhoster.net/thumbs/rh4vxtsy.jpg (http://www.bilderhoster.net/img.php?id=rh4vxtsy.jpg)

Here is a KNIPEX plier, VDE too.
http://www.bilderhoster.net/thumbs/ypfxmgvv.jpg (http://www.bilderhoster.net/img.php?id=ypfxmgvv.jpg)

Some HAZET GERMANY tools
http://www.bilderhoster.net/thumbs/cvs9m6dy.jpg (http://www.bilderhoster.net/img.php?id=cvs9m6dy.jpg)

The pliers are often used by me, these are special tools for ClicR and hose clamps. The spline bit socket is brand new, my old ELORA is worn.
Some new bit sockets...I'm upgrading my set. Had used 10mm Bits from KLANN before. The red socket is made in germany and for expensive rims. The 2nd socket from left is a RIBE #6, found on ALFA ROMEO and FIAT vehicles and some VW+OPEL. Not listet in the SO catalouge.

http://www.bilderhoster.net/thumbs/lbfhs2n9.jpg (http://www.bilderhoster.net/img.php?id=lbfhs2n9.jpg)

My loved STAHLWILLE 1/2" set...all is with quick release, even the joint. Not possible to loose them until you push the metal button. Whole set has a value of ~ 500 $. It's nice to clean with WD-40.
http://www.bilderhoster.net/thumbs/d2lwrxzj.jpg

http://www.bilderhoster.net/thumbs/l6r3czk3.jpg (http://www.bilderhoster.net/img.php?id=d2lwrxzj.jpg)

Hope you like what you see :beer:

Monte

02-05-2009, 08:08 PM

Sweet ! I like the Bernstein pliers ! The Stahlwille set is nice too ! Does the square wobble or is everything perfect ? I cant decide between the Stahlwille 512QR and Hazet 916S. Maybe the Hazet ratchet will be in the new Hazet sales promotion.....

Hawk321

02-06-2009, 03:41 AM

@Monte

it doesn't wobble much, only a very very lil' bit. To be serious...
if I had a Stahlwille shop here (not online shop) I wouldn't buy Hazet (except wrenches to short). The handle of the 1/2'' ratchet is so comfortable and give you more power, everthing moves smooth like my SO80's.

Try to find an offer at Ebay...you can save 50% for a new box.

@Monte 2nd

can you look at you Hazet lug nut sockets for the product number? Seems that Hazet has 2 versions here, one SLG and one SPC.

Monte

02-06-2009, 08:47 AM

@ Hawk: Danke !
No Stahlwille shops here in Hamburg.... Only one but they closed their retail shop so you only can order by phone and they`ll send it to you... (Wollschläger) , the next shop is in Lübeck....

My socket set is the "SPC" version they are on sale every year ( 25.- oder 26.- netto) while the SLG set is the standard programme ( 47,40 netto in 2007). I dont know if there is a difference ? The other "SPC" stuff is different sometimes (no polished heads etc. to keep down costs, search the yellow german toolforum for info on that issue: "Hazet spc")

Hawk321

02-06-2009, 10:33 AM

@monte

my dealer told me, that there are quality issues with the spc's...had paid 35,- without VAT for the "original"...can't find a difference...

Lillte bit curios here, no real shops for Stahlwille, Elora or Heyco...:headscratmostly I order my stuff from Hermanns in Duisburg.
Maybe I post some old german wrenches later.

Hawk321

02-06-2009, 11:21 AM

Here are some old german tools (except facom), most printed with "w.germany" or "west germany".

Wrenches are from: WGB, unknown,Facom,Matador,unknown,RAHSOL and Promat
http://www.bilderhoster.net/thumbs/8xd5pd7v.jpg (http://www.bilderhoster.net/img.php?id=8xd5pd7v.jpg)

Up to down: Facom,AMF,SORA,WITTE,WIHA and Schroeder
http://www.bilderhoster.net/thumbs/4wgg1yhk.jpg (http://www.bilderhoster.net/img.php?id=4wgg1yhk.jpg)
http://www.bilderhoster.net/thumbs/dttp68j2.jpg (http://www.bilderhoster.net/img.php?id=dttp68j2.jpg)

An 1/2" extension from Elora, the printed name "Elofort" is a cheaper series from ELORA. But it still works and I abused it so many times. Undestroyable!
http://www.bilderhoster.net/thumbs/6slszf21.jpg (http://www.bilderhoster.net/img.php?id=6slszf21.jpg)

This is old Knipex plier, works still fine. Onlu the "cutter" is worn out.
http://www.bilderhoster.net/thumbs/k1yvfj9y.jpg (http://www.bilderhoster.net/img.php?id=k1yvfj9y.jpg)
http://www.bilderhoster.net/thumbs/7kr9717n.jpg (http://www.bilderhoster.net/img.php?id=7kr9717n.jpg)

Monte

02-06-2009, 04:03 PM

@hawk: I bought a couple of 1/4" Heyco "E-torx" sockets from schuebo.de (only 2,98 a piece :D ) . Baukreis.de has almost the complete Elora lineup for an acceptable price.

some stuff from my father..

all are unbranded
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00003-4.jpg

some Felo`s ,Geta, craftsman, rebadged stuff: "pronto", "Meister" ,unbranded

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00006-4.jpg

Knipex + Orbis (red handle)

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00009-1.jpg

B.O.V., Norway

02-06-2009, 05:52 PM

How is the quality on Orbis? I find them in some shops here in Norway. I have gone the Knipex route so far for my diy needs.

Have a nice day. :)

Charles (in GA)

02-06-2009, 06:18 PM

Every car/motorcycle has to pass the TÜV inspection every 2 years. Is the car new the first inspection is after 3 years then every 2 yrs. The TÜV checks everything from the brakes, tires, wheels, frame/body, exhaust system, steering, shocks, lights (function , height adjustment) , wipers, horn, windshield, mirrors, seats, belts, and all safety systems (air restraint system, anti lock brakes etc.) plus the electrical systems (if OBD equipped car). They also check for rust/corrosion (underbody, structual parts, brake lines, suspension). They perform a brake test (machine looks like a dyno tester) , they they have to work evenly and surpass a certain value. They also perform a emission test and the proper function of the catalytic converter to see if the emission is within legal range.
Then they fill out a inspection report were the defects are written down. If the car is ok you pay your $122 and get the new stickers on your license plate . If there are any major defects you have to repair them within a month and they will check your car again and see if the defects are removed.

so if you drive an old jalopy with rust or many defects the inspector may look closer , if you have bad luck he will pull his screwdriver and try to pierce through the rusted parts. But most modern cars have zink plated bodys so thats more a problem of cars from the 80`s or 90`s . But nothing holds up forever so on older cars there is always something wrong like rusted exhaust system, steering linkage, shocks etc. So if too many defects occur it might not pay off to repair it since you can expect to pay about $80.- an hour (cheap) or if you drive to mercedes or audi etc. you pay around $ 130.- for a mechanics hour, so if you cant repair it yourself and have to hire someone its gonna be expensive. The other reason to scrap your older car is you pay more tax because they have higher co2 emissions .
And from january 2009 the goverment gives you 2500.- Euro (about 3300 $) if you bring your car to a junkyard and buy a new one, so you could buy a brand new "Dacia Logan" for $9900 minus $3300 = 6600 minus dealer rebate , so lets say you can buy a brand new car here now for just $6000.- so thats another reason to scrap your car:bounce:

I'm sure the Demmycrats will try the same thing here eventually. This carbon credits crap is simply designed to make money for someone big and cost the little guy.

Charles

russlaferrera

02-06-2009, 07:28 PM

Monte, Thank you for posting your GREAT collection of tools. Love the vice! The hand tools are great, well made. Enjoy them.

Hawk321

02-07-2009, 04:56 AM

@BOV
I own a Orbis plier too...it's ok. Orbis produce all pliers for STAHLWILLE.

@monte

don't throw your wood handles away...seems theu have a great value even Snap-On has not wood handles and Hazet+Gedore blue coloured wood handles costs a lot of $$$ on ebay.

Monte

02-07-2009, 09:06 PM

How is the quality on Orbis? I find them in some shops here in Norway. I have gone the Knipex route so far for my diy needs.

Have a nice day. :)

you did well ! :D I would stay with Knipex since in every test they score top results, but Orbis will work too (subsidiary of Knipex) . I also can recommend Gedore who makes their own pliers and also "NWS". If you see "VBW" pliers they cant be bad too (Stahlwille group).
PS: Just surfed through some norwegian websites
(searched for "Knipex tenger" :D ) ..damn you have some high prices over there !! are you a millionaire ??? :D

@Charles (in GA): hey there are some great new cars out there like the 09` Mustang or the challenger so you could drive a nice new car and help the environment :D

@russlaferrera: you`re welcome ! :)

@hawk: I can`t throw them away cause they belong to my father :) on the other hand he always buy the Aldi crap (hammers, files etc.) so i could take them and keep them for me and replace them with tools from Aldi and he wouldnt even notice :D

Monte

02-08-2009, 05:31 PM

:D

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00003-3.jpg

16" sander

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00002-2.jpg

my fathers:

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00004-1.jpg

Hawk321

02-09-2009, 04:57 AM

@monte

where have you bought that Knipex spark plug plier???

B.O.V., Norway

02-09-2009, 10:49 AM

Thanks Hawk321 and Monte.
I have an okay collection of pliers now but would like to expand with some shorter combination and carpenter pliers. And of course some slip-joint and some angled and some electronics and... :D
Not always easy to get hold of Knipex in the right size and price range so I'm exploring other options.
As for being a millionaire; not since the Lira went the way of the Dodo bird. Now I'm a billionaire, in Zimbabwe dollars. :lol_hitti

Enclosed are two pictures of my current collection. (And I should post my other tools as well, I know. Soon(ish))

Edit: The green and yellow handles are of RACO brand. Two out of a very few items in the socket/wrench/screwdriver/pliers set that didn't fall apart when exposed to more than .02 lb of force.

Monte

02-09-2009, 01:38 PM

@monte

where have you bought that Knipex spark plug plier???

I bought it from www.hoffmann-group.com (18,25 netto) . I did a quick search and found them here (http://www.werkzeug-pruever.de/product_info.php/info/p109609_Zuendkerzenstecker-Ziehzange-3891-38-91-200mm-Zange.html) and here (http://www.elektroshopwagner.de/product_info.php/info/p34049_Zuendkerzenstecker-Ziehzange-Knipex-3891200--45--gewinkelte-flachrunde-lange-Backen.html). If you dont have one i would get a catalog from hoffmann sice they only have the good stuff ( stahlwille, knipex, PB Swiss, wera, hazet, ko-ken, bahco, facom etc....) and their rebadged brand "Garant" is always from top suppliers too (sockets + wrenches from Stahlwille + ko-ken (sockets,ratchets etc.), mitutoyo, PB swiss, bahco saws etc.)

@B.O.V., Norway
lol :D
looks like you already have the most important pliers together ! :thumbup:
Let us see some pics of your USAG tools ! Some pics of your Belzer tools (original or Bahco-Belzer ?) would be fine too !

jape

02-09-2009, 03:08 PM

Hello from Finland!

I'm only 18 years old so i don't have massive collection of tools but i am saving money to buy some ratchet wrenches and Facom 3/8 socket set...

Tool situation in my town is better than nothing, because i live in small town (population is 13500) Town contains only Stahlwille, Wera, Kamasa, Gedore stores and one store sells only Bahco and Knipex pliers and sometimes Wiha Screwdrivers and some China stuff branded GeeTee, and IKH...
Today there is very bad situation with quality tools, those cost lots of money and most of stores sells only China-shit. And tool stores mostly don't have online store so good tools are hard to buy if you live in small town... And buying from ebay is very expensive because delivery costs...

Tool culture is very different than in USA. Tool companies trucks sells tools only to the companies, and most of people haven't even heard about MAC and Craftsman :bounce: And only one of my friend own toolcart...

How about Snap-on? Here you can't bought SO from store, only from truck, if you have own company... And i have heard that prices are something horrible :confused: I have used SO and Craftsman tools at my summer job (i installed AMF bowling machines), those were from 70's. He also has couple of new SO tools but i didn't like those, too shiny for me...

Here is some tools from my toolbox, Stahlwille tools are less than three years old, but others are almost 30 years old, i get those from my grandfather...
He had some SAE tools cause he owned Massey Ferguson tractor which have inch-size bolts.

http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/jape_90/IMG_7963.jpg
Stahlwille combination wrenches sizes 7mm-10mm-13mm-17mm-19mm-21mm

http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/jape_90/IMG_7965.jpg
Stahlwille open-end wrenches sizes 3/8 - 7/16 and 1/2 - 9/16
http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/jape_90/IMG_7968.jpg
Stahlwille 8mm and 10mm 1/2 inhex sockets, long 5mm 3/8 inhex socket and 1/4-3/8 adaptor
http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/jape_90/IMG_7972.jpg
Some Facom sockets from end of 70's, sizes are 15mm and 23mm 1/2
http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/jape_90/IMG_7975.jpg

http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/jape_90/IMG_7971.jpg
Vintage Bahco open-end wrenches from begin of 70's, sizes are 3/8 - 7/16, 1/2 - 9/16 and 5/8 - 11/16, these are made in Argentina... So strong that you can use them with 2m pipe extension :lol_hitti

superautobacs

02-09-2009, 03:45 PM

Always great to see the old and latest European tools on this thread.

@Jape
Interesting to know that at one point in time Argentina supplied wrenches for Stahlwille.

Here is a 19/32 open box that I found at the my local flea market (the one below it is a Williams brand that I puchased together for about $2.50). The Stahlwille has a great shape to it and feels good in the hands.
Do you happen to know when these were in production from?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3380/3258940649_94c208e415_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3468/3259774654_68f3833068_b.jpg

jape

02-09-2009, 04:03 PM

Always great to see the old and latest European tools on this thread.

@Jape
Interesting to know that at one point in time Argentina supplied wrenches for Stahlwille.

Sorry if i understand wrong but those Bahco "UD" are made in argentina, I think that Stahlwille is always manufactured in Germany or some other european country

Here is a 19/32 open box that I found at the my local flea market (the one below it is a Williams brand that I puchased together for about $2.50). The Stahlwille has a great shape to it and feels good in the hands.
Do you happen to know when these were in production from?

Wow, you got a great deal, here in Finland new one cost's 9€, it is almost 15$...
I think that your Stahlwille is made in 90's, because Stahlwille get DIN EN ISO 9002-certification at 1990 and wrench type were changed in that year cause certification...

Monte

02-09-2009, 05:08 PM

Stahlwille is german made. They only have production facilities here in germany. The Bahco wrench is from Argentinia. They make them there since 1963 (sockets, wrenches, ratchets).
The letter "N" next to "made in germany" on your stahlwille wrench should be the production date. But i don`t know how to decode it.

superautobacs

02-09-2009, 11:16 PM

Whoops, I made a misconnection between Stahlwille and Argentina. :p

What do you guys think of Heyco?
I found a Heyco 17mm/19mm double box wrench today at my local pawn shop....I had to snag it as it was in great condition. Cost for that one was a mere $1.00. :)

Andy Scott

02-10-2009, 05:26 AM

My assortment of “Rennsteig” chisels Made in Germany.
Long lifetime due to the good steel quality.

The Striking Tools (http://www.rennsteig.us/products-overview/striking-tools.html)

http://www.heilo.info/images/CIMG3452-w600-h600.jpg

B.O.V., Norway

02-10-2009, 10:47 AM

Managed to cram my Belzer collection into one picture. :D
10mm says FINISHED IN U.K. and the 4,5 mm says GERMANY.

Have a nice day. :)

B.O.V., Norway

02-10-2009, 11:11 AM

USAG ratchet, breaker bar and sockets. Some of the sockets has a spring device that will secure the nut/bolt inside the socket. And not to worry, the dirt in the groove on the ratchet is all gone now.
The ratchet has an identical cover plate on the 'down' side as well and with two pawls and two springs it's a bit more juggling to get things back together. 32 teeth and light action.

Edit: All 1/2" size.

Have a nice day. :)

B.O.V., Norway

02-10-2009, 11:22 AM

USAG wrenches. 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 19, 22mm + 7 and 8mm.

Have a nice day. :)

B.O.V., Norway

02-10-2009, 11:29 AM

Gedore 1/2" drive SAE set. 5/16" to 1-1/4" including the well known sizes of 13/32", 19/32" and 25/32".
Also two wrenches, 10mm and 5/8".
Bought the set and wrenches new back in 1986.

B.O.V., Norway

02-10-2009, 11:57 AM

Elmo hex and torx sets. Kukko puller. Rest is USAG stuff. The locking plier has been exposed to a salty environment for a period of time, hence the rust.

Have a nice day. :)

Monte

02-10-2009, 01:16 PM

My assortment of “Rennsteig” chisels Made in Germany.
Long lifetime due to the good steel quality.

The Striking Tools (http://www.rennsteig.us/products-overview/striking-tools.html)

Nice chisels ! I also have some of them - good quality - and the price is ok too !

Monte

02-10-2009, 04:48 PM

@jape: Tervetuola ! :D
When I was 18 i had no tools at all... i always had to borrow them from my father :D (cheaper) :D So you already have a good collection !

Monte

02-10-2009, 04:56 PM

Gedore 1/2" drive SAE set. 5/16" to 1-1/4" including the well known sizes of 13/32", 19/32" and 25/32".

Haha !! :D did you ever used the 13/32", 19/32" and 25/32" sockets ?? if so where ?? airplane ?? rocket ? :)
Nice large Belzer collection :D ! Thanks for the USAG fotos ! I only knew the screw/nut holding device from some "Carolus" sockets, didnt knew USAG made them too ! :thumbup: :pimpflash

Monte

02-12-2009, 03:32 PM

old metabo drill

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/fght96.jpg

some more from the old world :D

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00006-3.jpg

B.O.V., Norway

02-12-2009, 03:52 PM

I really like that old Metabo drill.

Have a nice day. :)

superautobacs

02-12-2009, 06:39 PM

I have a feeling Monte has A LOT more goodies hidden in his garage. :bounce:
How many years have you been working on your tool collection?

Monte

02-13-2009, 08:58 PM

I have a feeling Monte has A LOT more goodies hidden in his garage. :bounce:
How many years have you been working on your tool collection?

I started about 5 years ago, before i always borrowed everything from my father but it was too annoying (for me and him :D ) so i started with cheap import stuff and then replaced everything step by step with the good stuff.

There are some treasures hidden in my garage :D but unfortunately its too cold and the digital camera quit...

But i found this for you :D

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00032-1.jpg
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00035-1.jpg

CRAZYASTRO

02-14-2009, 03:39 AM

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00032-1.jpg

that one looks good with the extandable handles, so there's no need for a hydraulic crimper... :thumbup:

Just recognized u r here too.... welcome!!

Monte

02-14-2009, 05:46 PM

got a shipment from the "HaFu" factory today :D

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/juzhg.jpg

Ball hex + ball-torx screwdrivers and Hex/Torx t-handles 2-10mm and T9-T40
:D

and bought this clip-remover at the local DIY-store :D

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/bvcxy8.jpg

superautobacs

02-15-2009, 01:52 AM

@Monte,

I was looking at some of those precision screwdrivers the other day and noticed that on the display rack there were "Made in Germany" and "Made in Czech Republic" pieces. That is, two exact same part #'s, but different manufactured origins. I'm assuming that the newly arrived ones at the store are Czech made. Interestingly, I only noticed this on the smaller/precision screwdrivers; not with the larger pieces. Over there, are the larger sized ones also Cz-made?

I intently compared the two precision flat-head screwdrivers in anticipation that the Czech pieces would not be 'equal' to the German counterpart. The most notable difference was this--the two components that make the Wera handle are not the same. The green thermal plastic rubber is not as soft as the G-made one and the black plastic was different as well (though, I just can't remember exactly what it was about the black plastic). The spin knob wobbles quite a bit more on the Cz-made one as well.

Although the Cz-made one will do the job, the attention to fit and finish certainly falls short of the G-made ones period.

One last point: Wera purposely prints "Made in Czech Republic" in small, fine print, using a color that's low in contrast, too.

vssjim

02-15-2009, 11:09 AM

Lots of nice tools from the old country I used to get alot of Usag stuff from Eurotool in Cal. but they went bust in the early 90's. Beta and Usag pretty much mirror each other in product and quailty. They both seem to copy what the German companies do over all.

Monte

02-15-2009, 07:58 PM

@superautobacs: The packaging of the small and also of the large screwdrivers (series 900 etc.) and also the screwdrivers are unmarked (which I own) . Also the drivers which I saw in the shop here are unmarked while some others in a german forum have screwdriver which are marked germany or czech while others are unmarked too. I cant compare them (czech/german) but I`m happy with them . If you want a "german" alternative there is Felo with similar handles, they`re really nice too ( i actually prefer their handle design a bit more) They`re avail. at chadstoolbox/Northern/SJ discount etc. for a VERY good price (cheaper than in germany !!! )

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00001-2.jpg
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/bvcxy.jpg

jape

02-16-2009, 03:30 PM

I found three HAZET 603 wrenches from my grandparents, made in West Germany so those are over 20 years old
I have some kind of memory that grandfather had set of these at range 10mm to 19mm, so i'am trying to find missing pieces... If my grandfather is alive :Twitch: he would be proud because i take care of his tools

http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/jape_90/IMG_8253.jpg
http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/jape_90/IMG_8255.jpg

Those wrenches got sentimental value, because we repaired grandfathers car with these when i was 8 years old

-B-

02-16-2009, 05:47 PM

dink

02-16-2009, 06:52 PM

Personally I recommend Wera's pistol grip driver....My favorite driver...clutchless and zero degree ratcheting...Included in this picture are Robert Schroeder Kompacts with Michael Schumacher limited addition one

Andy Scott

02-17-2009, 03:57 AM

nice set ! Whats the blue thing ? (torch ?) Did you watch the Rennsteig video on their site :D

Yes its a torch for the heat shrink splices.
It's a funny video :thumbup:

Monte

02-17-2009, 08:28 PM

@jape: Thanks for the pics !

@-B-: The felo "steel wrench flats" (hexagon ?) is made of steel too

@dink: didn`t know that Michael Schuhmacher is famous in the US too ? ps: I like that Tajima knife

dink

02-17-2009, 08:42 PM

@jape: Thanks for the pics !

@-B-: The felo "steel wrench flats" (hexagon ?) is made of steel too

@dink: didn`t know that Michael Schuhmacher is famous in the US too ? ps: I like that Tajima knife

He is....but the Michael Schumacher edition Kompact came from Robert Schroeder in Germany...got it from them when I represented there company here in Texas

Monte

02-18-2009, 12:20 AM

you could sell it for a lot of $$ over here i think :)

ps: some more stuff: :D

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/bvcxy5.jpg
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/bvcxy6.jpg

Monte

02-22-2009, 08:30 PM

Gedore metric open box wrenches

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/juzhg1.jpg

Brake bleeder + Undercoating Gun

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00030-1.jpg

Bosch bench grinder

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00031.jpg

superautobacs

02-24-2009, 05:01 PM

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=26060&d=1234284842

Isn't that the exact same thing Facom offers? Who's the OEM? Facom; USAG; Taiwanese?

superautobacs

02-24-2009, 05:03 PM

Monte

02-24-2009, 10:10 PM

Monte

02-24-2009, 10:39 PM

yeah a carolus "rastoflex"

Here is an old version of the carolus website before Gedore bought them
Carlos *click* (http://web.archive.org/web/20020719183538/carolus.de/index.html) With more infos about the "Rastoflex" "Conterflex" + "Readyflex" ratchets....

http://web.archive.org/web/20011222002229/http://carolus.de/assets/images/knarre1_a.gif
http://web.archive.org/web/20011222002229/http://carolus.de/assets/a_Rastorreihe.gif

:beer:

superautobacs

02-24-2009, 11:29 PM

I think the punches are made by this french company www.racodon.com To see the products you have to look at the french version.
Since Facom and USAG belong together (stanley) they share some more items (the new fibreglass hammers for example) the same is true for the other stanley companies (britool and pastorino e.g.) . ps: take a close look at the britool/pastorino/bost/stanley-fat-max screwdrivers (also sold by SK and KTC japan)..

I didn't know that USAG was also under the Stanley umbrella....learn something new everyday. :beer:
Yep, I've known about the Bost screwdriver being rebranded...except I didn't know about Pastorino.

ProGun3400

02-25-2009, 12:36 AM

It looks like the transmission from the Monte in one of the pictures? It also looks like it has the universal bell-housing.

superautobacs

02-25-2009, 01:59 AM

I looked through the site and thought to myself, "what a crappy site, I can't see half of the images". Then I realized you typed it was their old site.
How much does the one like yours cost?

yeah a carolus "rastoflex"

Here is an old version of the carolus website before Gedore bought them
Carlos *click* (http://web.archive.org/web/20020719183538/carolus.de/index.html) With more infos about the "Rastoflex" "Conterflex" + "Readyflex" ratchets....

http://web.archive.org/web/20011222002229/http://carolus.de/assets/images/knarre1_a.gif
http://web.archive.org/web/20011222002229/http://carolus.de/assets/a_Rastorreihe.gif

:beer:

Monte

02-26-2009, 06:57 PM

@superautobacs: The site should load the pictures after a couple of seconds...

I got mine for at a close out sale for about 32$ . The ratcheting is a little bit rough, the snap-on swivel heads are nicer. Here`s an overview of the different ratchets + prices: click (http://www.tbs-aachen.de/index.php?cat=c370_Knarren-1-4-.html)

ps: :-)
Belzer stubby bitholder, Wera small screwdrivers, Wera bitholder with rotary magazine, Belzer voltage tester, Witte flexible bitholder, Wiha insulated screwdriver...

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/vcxy9.jpg

"Sandvik Belzer" (Bahco) 1" pipe wrench, "Dako" (Gedore) "Eck-Schwede-snap" and Gedore "swedish pattern" pipe wrenches

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/vcxy33.jpg

The new Facom screwdrivers:

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00004-2.jpg

Alfajuj

03-02-2009, 08:08 AM

Does anyone know if the USAG wrenches are still made in Italy?
I saw some for sale online, but in the pictures they don't say "Italy" after the model number like they do in the pics in this thread.

Monte

03-02-2009, 06:56 PM

Maybe now taiwan or czech made like the Facom wrenches ? The new Facom ratchets doesn`t say "France" no more too... Stanley (Facom/USAG) has a production facility in czech republic *click* (http://www.tona.cz/english/company/). Reversegear said that the new Facom wrenches are made in Taiwan so maybe the USAG`s too ?
how knows....

superautobacs

03-03-2009, 02:15 AM

Perhaps this is not such a far fetched statement? : If a respected and reputable tool brand, such as Facom/USAG/Britool, doesn't stamp the COO on the product, like they always used to do, then there's a good reason why they don't.

Perhaps the brand doesn't want to disclose the COO to save the brand's 'face', as an XXXX country may have a stigma attached to it?

Alfajuj

03-03-2009, 08:03 AM

So companies like Facom and USAG are keeping their fingers crossed that people will let them coast on their brand name and not look too closely for a country of origin stamp. (As far as I know the COO labeling is not required in Europe) That way they can still charge the same prices at drastically lower production costs and thus make obscene profit margins. And everyone "assumes the position."
That kind of deception really bugs me. :Gun1:
Being bought by Stanley has something to do with it, I would think.

I'll stick with companies like Hazet who still label their products made in Germany. I know that not all of their products are German, but at least their core items, like wrenches, are.:rocker:

I heard that their crescent wrenches are made in Spain by Irega-can anyone confirm that, please?

superautobacs

03-03-2009, 02:53 PM

... (As far as I know the COO labeling is not required in Europe) ....
If so, that works in huge favour for them! They save money by not having to ask the supplier to create a new die just to stamp a COO on a product. It's doubly good for them.

... I heard that their crescent wrenches are made in Spain by Irega-can anyone confirm that, please?

If I'm not mistaken, a crescent wrench is a product produced by the Crescent brand of Cooper Hand Tools. The proper name would be: adjustable wrench.

Irega is mostlikely one of the largest producers of adjustable wrenches in Europe, and rebranded for sale around the world. Same can be said for Irimo and EGA as well though, both Spanish.
To answer your question: Yes, Irega is the OEM for USAG, Hazet, Signet, and even Channellock adjustable wrenches.

Monte

03-03-2009, 09:18 PM

Found this statement from 2006: "the Facom Tools
plant in Nevers, France and distribution center in Cannock, UK were
successfully closed in September and a second plant in Ezy, France is
scheduled to close in the fourth quarter.
source: click (http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/10-24-2006/0004458590&EDATE=)
The 2006 annual Stanley report says that 580 jobs were quit because of rationalizing
2 plants closed and 4 distribution centers are closed (UK,Belgium,Germany,Switzerland) and another 440 jobs quit from the 2 factories and the UK distribution,....... (now I know why i have to wait 1,5 - 2 weeks before the Facom stuff i ordered arrive...)...
source: click (http://www.stanleyworks.com/pdf/Stanley_AR2006.pdf) (search: facom)

The 2008 stanley news: 2000 jobs planned to be cut and another 3 plant to be closed.
source: click (http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20081216/s-p-assigns-rating-to-stanley-works-bonds.htm)

.....hmmm....

Alfajuj

03-05-2009, 08:34 AM

Being part of the Stanley Works group is killing Facom as a French manufacturer. Stanley is a publicly traded corporation. Corporations don't have national loyalties or sentimentality. They are stictly focused on maximizing profits and minimizing costs. Since French labor is expensive, they will step-by-step close every French and western European plant that they possibly can. Since Europe doesn't have country or origin requirements, they will move all production to lower cost countries. Some of Stanley's other companies like Proto have a strong "Made in USA" image that's important to their marketing. But not Facom.
They're screwed forever now...Even if they were to escape the clutches of Stanley, would they be able to reopen their French plants now that they've closed them?

All the best European tool makers are family-owned, private companies:
Hazet, Stahlwille, Elora, Wiha, Knipex are all family owned.:thumbup: An exeption is Gedore, which is a corporation.

According to the Gedore website:

"...But when, precisely, may a product use the “Made in Germany” label?

There are no legal provisions defining this, but there is an essential understanding in the industry that the stages of production that determine the quality must have been carried out in Germany.
In the case of hand tools, this means that the metal machining, required to ensure the close manufacturing tolerances, and the heat treatment to guarantee optimum hardness and toughness, must have been carried out in Germany.

In the GEDORE Group, everything is produced from a single source – from the material blank to the end product."

cruiser808

03-06-2009, 01:18 AM

I have a question for our European friends. Have any of you guys heard of Orenco tools out of Sweden? I have some flex wrench and hex wrench sets, but don't know anything about them. They seem to be a mystery tool, even to the guru's here on GJ board. Any insight would be great. Thanks. :bowdown:

billymade

03-06-2009, 03:43 PM

cruiser808

03-06-2009, 04:01 PM

Anyone speak swedish? I wonder if this is the company?
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&u=http://www.121.nu/onetoone/foretag/orenco-i-eskilstuna-aktiebolag&ei=j4GxSam_NpK2sAP7s8Ry&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=3&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DOrenco%2Bi%2BEskilstuna%2BAB%26hl%3De n%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3D0D1

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/billymade/75038842_1.jpg?t=1236372589
I found one wrench set here: http://www.tradera.com/-7-stycken-RINGNYCKLAR--ORENCO--auktion_85797086

Thanks Billymade, that's the company. The wrenches I have are so so quality and nowhere near Hazet, Facom or Stahlwille in terms of fit and finish. Maybe some of our friends across the pond will have some more information on this tool company. :thumbup:

Monte

03-08-2009, 10:35 PM

@alfajuj: Unfortunately i think you`re right.... same with SO and Bahco and all the spanish manufacturers they bought. Last info i heard about Bahco is that they wanted to release almost all empolyees except 90 or so from the swedish plants... And i don`t think that they need 4 manufacturing plants alone in spain... (most Bahco tools over here are already from spain,argentinia, taiwan etc.)
Gedore is a corporation/limited company with 4 "bosses" (among them Mrs. Dowidat) , i spoke to an Gedore employee who already works there for 40 yrs. and he told me that she still "pull the strings" ...

Monte

03-09-2009, 08:16 PM

some different tools... Böcker magnetic pick up tool, stahlwille pipe cutter, Hazet gasket scraper, Pferd files, Hazet valve holder, Kirschen chisel, Dako + Belzer scrapers , Jokari wire strippers, Facom door trim tool and Gedore oil plug wrench

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/IMAG0031.jpg

Elora valve spring compressor

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/ghf257.jpg

Flex polisher and result... :thumbup:

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/olol2.jpg

beelsr

03-09-2009, 08:16 PM

what spanish manufacturers did they buy?

@alfajuj: Unfortunately i think you`re right.... same with SO and Bahco and all the spanish manufacturers they bought. ..

...

And i don`t think that they need 4 manufacturing plants alone in spain...

Monte

03-09-2009, 09:10 PM

They bought "Irimo", "Palmera" , "Irazola" and "Acesa"

www.acesa.com.es
www.irazola.es (www.irazola.es/)
www.palmera.com.es
www.irimo.com

Monte

03-12-2009, 02:03 PM

Wera Kraftform Kompakt:

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/wera.jpg

Old and new style Facom screwdriver handles:

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/vbcgtz18.jpg

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/vbcgtz20.jpg

billymade

03-12-2009, 03:39 PM

How much is the Wera Kraftform Kompakt; in Deutschland?

Monte

03-12-2009, 04:48 PM

The internet shows prices between 24,99 and 57,30.- euro here in Deutschland :) , the average price range is between 30 and 40 Euro...
I don`t know what the list price is, my dealer told me 56.- Euro... I paid 35.- Euro = 45$
...not really cheap but it`s always the same with those gadgets you wanna have .... :)

billymade

03-12-2009, 05:04 PM

Here in the USA; they seem to be $30-$45 online; plus shipping! :( So, the prices arn't that much different; problem is, shipping/handling can be a killer here!
http://www.google.com/products?client=safari&rls=en&q=Wera%20Kraftform%20Kompakt&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wf

Monte

03-12-2009, 06:41 PM

yeah i alread noticed that you have really good prices for Wera stuff in general and also Felo is very good priced in the US ( 6pc. Felo "ergonic" only $29,95 , for that price you can only find the 3pc. set over here). Seems they both have good distributors over there. (wera seem to have their own branch since they state that they have employees in USA and Canada)

beelsr

03-12-2009, 08:44 PM

¡muchas gracias, mi amigo!

They bought "Irimo", "Palmera" , "Irazola" and "Acesa"

www.acesa.com.es (http://www.acesa.com.es)
www.irazola.es (http://www.irazola.es/)
www.palmera.com.es (http://www.palmera.com.es)
www.irimo.com (http://www.irimo.com)

Monte

03-14-2009, 06:05 PM

¡de nada! ¡con mucho gusto!
:confused: :D

unos herramientas de alemania :dunno: :D

A couple of different soft face/recoilless hammers:

"Halder Supercraft", Hazet, Belzer, Habero, Wiha safety, Halder Simplex

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/vcxy29.jpg

phildb4

03-14-2009, 06:27 PM

I have a set of these Facom sockets...but never use them...can't see any advantage over regular sockets or wrenches

Monte

03-14-2009, 10:11 PM

For some special occasions you might need them :thumbup:

Monte

03-14-2009, 10:16 PM

vise/vice production movie from 1945 click (http://www.brockhaus-heuer.de/1/upload/HEUER1945.WMV)
and nowadays click (http://www.brockhaus-heuer.de/1/upload/bh_film.wmv)

(unfortunately only a small insight)

bchee

03-14-2009, 10:37 PM

Which one is the oil plug wrench? The one in the top left corner?
It's like one of those dog bone wrenches

some different tools... Böcker magnetic pick up tool, stahlwille pipe cutter, Hazet gasket scraper, Pferd files, Hazet valve holder, Kirschen chisel, Dako + Belzer scrapers , Jokari wire strippers, Facom door trim tool and Gedore oil plug wrench

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/IMAG0031.jpg

Monte

03-14-2009, 10:54 PM

yes, here`s a better pic:
Also avail. from Hazet, square drive sockets are not very common over here.

http://www.gedore.de/products/data/2/pc_29206_7_1_normal_6464580.jpg

Description:

Gedore 299 Drain plug wrench

• For square bungs on engine pumps, tanks and drums for oil and chemicals, in nine common sizes

• GEDORE vanadium steel 31CrV3, chrome-plated

• 5 square pieces: 8.7, 9.5, 10.5, 11.5, 13 mm

• 4 conical pieces: 6.8-8.7, 10.5-13, 15.2-18, 16.5-19 mm

• One screwdriver blade: 5.5 x 18 mm

bchee

03-14-2009, 11:05 PM

That's pretty cool. It has a screwdriver blade, although I don't see it

• One screwdriver blade: 5.5 x 18 mm

Hawk321

03-15-2009, 08:30 AM

@Monte

Wow...why do have so many dead-blow hammers?

Monte

03-15-2009, 12:10 PM

The 40mm Halder (20 euro) recoilless is what i need most, before i had the 30mm Habero ( 8,16 euro @ ebay) , the Hazet rubber hammer was for free, the Belzer hammer only 3,33 euro , the Wiha is a couple of years old and it`s a good hammer (rubber insert and plastic insert) but I thought i get another one because it was only 10 euro :) and it has the white nylon insert and i plan to buy the soft metal insert so i have 2 hammers w/ 4 different inserts...
ohh and it`s a Halder Simplex which is the original soft face hammer so i thought i buy it just because of this reason too :)
And all together for just about 60 bucks is a good price..... :beer:

ooops i forgot the 60mm recoilless Halder which i have to form metal..

Uncle Buck

03-15-2009, 12:28 PM

Uncle Buck

03-15-2009, 12:29 PM

I have a set of these Facom sockets...but never use them...can't see any advantage over regular sockets or wrenches

Sears unsuccesfully tried to sell those a few years back. I do not think they had much success cause they were in the catalog one year, and gone the next!

beelsr

03-15-2009, 01:18 PM

Irazola is an hour away from heaven on earth - Donostia! That's so cool, I'll have to finagle a factory tour next time in the Basque Country.... :drool:

¡de nada! ¡con mucho gusto!
:confused: :D

billymade

03-15-2009, 01:29 PM

I don't know a whole lot of German but from what I could tell (I usually, can get the gist of what they are talking about), I didn't detect any overly propagandistic nationalistic commentary.... maybe our German friends can confirm this. Visually, I didn't see anything that indicated this was a uniquely war effort or home front oriented film; is it possible, this was post WWII 1945? From what I can tell, it was concentrating on the production process of the vises, build quality methods, putting them together and their eventual delivery to the end user... I've seen allot of Nazi propaganda from newsreels to Leni Rifenstahl's "triumph of the will" and this didn't seem to quite follow those types of films; nor did the imagery, have over National Socialist leanings. However, if it was during the war; you could make the argument that any/all production was for the war effort and the fatherland! The film seem devoid of these sentiments. Comments from our German speaking friends appreciated! :)

beelsr

03-15-2009, 01:47 PM

and here are some german tool pics of my own....

My favorite "german tool", the magic that is Ballistol. From Hitler's personal tonic to scrubbing black-power barrells - true magic.
http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp38/beelsr/german/IMG_4112.jpg

Here's a pair of Merceds Benz wrenches (1 Walter & 1 Matador), included because I paid a whopping 50c for the pair. I've always wondered how you'd turn a properly torqued 17mm fastener with a wrench that small... :wtf:
http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp38/beelsr/german/IMG_4097.jpg

A couple of the bigger Hazets I have. I love how these are thin and yet, never have rounded/slipped or spread. I swear my John Deere runs better when I use the Hazets on it...
http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp38/beelsr/german/IMG_4103.jpg

I guess the tool polishers would go nuts that I've destroyed any collectibility by actually {gasp} using the wrench and wearing off the decal. :bounce:
http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp38/beelsr/german/IMG_4104.jpg

I think these are my favorite metric wrenches. They are so light and feel so good in hand, I use them even when I don't need the offset. But when you do need the offset, these go DEEP!
http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp38/beelsr/german/IMG_4106.jpg

And an artsy shot for the tool polishers.http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp38/beelsr/german/IMG_4111.jpg

Here's an example from a set of wrenches I scored from an old job. Computer hardware tech company decided to get out of the business and laid us all off in a surprise post-lunch friday meeting (happy weekend MFers!). The 2 other techs & I decided to split up all the tools in the shop. I was the FNG so I got these wrenches.... :lol_hitti Y ou can make out "India" if you look closely so you know whaat's coming up in the next pic....
http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp38/beelsr/german/IMG_4116.jpg

No marking of "Gedore" on the wrench but here's the vinyl rollup. I do have to say that they have worked pretty well. I haven't pushed them too hard but they do the job without fuss, the chrome isn't flaking or peeling and since even before I knew they were "magical german tools of myth and yore", I treated them pretty badly. Baby them a little more since they are Indian (like my Gramps).
http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp38/beelsr/german/IMG_4117.jpg

Monte

03-15-2009, 02:07 PM

Sorry didn`t want to spread nazi propaganda here :(

But actually the movie doesn`t even say "Germany" or that these are arian superior products or crap like that . The narrator only tells what you see in the movie and explains what they do and so on..... it seems its a news show which was shown in cinemas back then because there was no TV and the production of the vises already started again after the war ends to rebuild germany since you need a couple of vices to do that :)

Thats what the website says:

"After the second world war, work begun at Brockhaus Heuer on new products with great dedication. At the time of the German recovery, vices were in greater demand than ever. Among other things, the etiquette "Made in Germany" for technical products made for worldwide success.
A word on "Made in Germany": HEUER vices have been made in Germany alone for more than 80 years. "

Link (http://www.brockhaus-heuer.de/1/web/index.php?lang=engl_)

billymade

03-15-2009, 03:46 PM

So, even with my extremely limited German, "ein bisschen deutsch"; I was right on the money, it seemed like a post WWII "rebuild" Marshall Plan type of movie. Hmmm, not bad, eh? :)

Monte

03-15-2009, 05:07 PM

@beelsr: wow those Wille "stabil" wrenches look awesome ! never saw them in person.... They`re on sale until april......maybe.... hmm... :)

Can`t go wrong with the Gedore wrenches since they have a "full life time" warranty... :) maybe they will exchange them with german made ones if a wrench breaks ? :)

beelsr

03-15-2009, 05:42 PM

i love them. every time i pick them up, i think of Tolkein and say to myself: this is what it must feel like to pick up an elven blade. They're surprisingly light...

Uncle Buck

03-15-2009, 07:17 PM

However, if it was during the war; you could make the argument that any/all production was for the war effort and the fatherland! :)

That is exactly the angle I was looking at it from. :beer:

Uncle Buck

03-15-2009, 07:25 PM

Sorry didn`t want to spread nazi propaganda here :(

I did not mean it like it was a big deal or something, more an observation of the time frame than anything. Really, no big deal at all, we are talking about tools here right. :thumbup:

Theo

03-15-2009, 09:42 PM

I did not mean it like it was a big deal or something, more an observation of the time frame than anything. Really, no big deal at all, we are talking about tools here right. :thumbup:

Agreed.

It's more of a point of interest that the video was made during the tail end of the Nazi era in my opinion. It made me stop and consider that I usually think of the "war effort" in terms of making munitions, or equipment. It got me thinking about just how huge the war effort must have been on either side. It wasn't all tanks and planes and bombs. People have to make sure there were tools and equipment available to manufacture and maintain the effort as well.

Thanks for posting the clip!

Alfajuj

03-16-2009, 12:00 AM

i love them. every time i pick them up, i think of Tolkein and say to myself: this is what it must feel like to pick up an elven blade. They're surprisingly light...

That's just how I feel!

The Stahlwilles are so supernaturally light. They're the only wrenches I've held that are like that. It must be some exotic alloy. It feels like half-way between steel and aluminum. Despite being superlight, they sure are plenty strong enough.

I've got a set of "Stabil" box wrenches and "Open Box" extra-long combination wrenches.
Stahlwilles are exotic in a lot of ways: the finish is special and the shape is special (on the Open Box combination wrenches the open-end is off at an odd angle).

Hawk321

03-16-2009, 01:08 PM

Here my promised Gedore pics.

http://www.bilderhoster.net/thumbs/ks1yxcwl.jpg (http://www.bilderhoster.net/img.php?id=ks1yxcwl.jpg)

http://www.bilderhoster.net/thumbs/7yjrv61n.jpg (http://www.bilderhoster.net/img.php?id=7yjrv61n.jpg)

http://www.bilderhoster.net/thumbs/pt3f8ckx.jpg (http://www.bilderhoster.net/img.php?id=pt3f8ckx.jpg)

http://www.bilderhoster.net/thumbs/rkxvm3yr.jpg (http://www.bilderhoster.net/img.php?id=rkxvm3yr.jpg)

Here an Air Chisel from Hazet, bought it today for 139 Euro, cheaper than the promotional price.

http://www.bilderhoster.net/thumbs/nt98s7lg.jpg (http://www.bilderhoster.net/img.php?id=nt98s7lg.jpg)

Next one is a Knipex Cobra for 39 Euro...new. Think, the name cobra hits the form!
http://www.bilderhoster.net/thumbs/7nxv1p1d.jpg (http://www.bilderhoster.net/img.php?id=7nxv1p1d.jpg)

http://www.bilderhoster.net/thumbs/8j1rlr5g.jpg (http://www.bilderhoster.net/img.php?id=8j1rlr5g.jpg)

http://www.bilderhoster.net/thumbs/d4pr4s9t.jpg (http://www.bilderhoster.net/img.php?id=d4pr4s9t.jpg)

Monte

03-18-2009, 05:47 PM

sweet ! I like the new cobra design :drool:

Every now and then you see people (in TV shows :) ) who cuts sheet metal with air chisels.... looks really ugly.... :bounce:

Not from the old world...but they`re my crown jewels :D
28228

Gedore asian style :D

28229

stuff sourced from the global market :D german sockets, chinese wrench , french hose + coupling

28232

porschedude996TT

03-18-2009, 06:34 PM

I have one odd tool that I must share with you all. What is odd about it is the shaft cross section. I got it from an Italian mechanic that worked for Cometto Industrial. He came out when his company delivered the Orbiter Transporter System (OTS) to the Air Force at Vandenberg AFB, CA. That was back in 1984. I was one of the three that drove the OTS back then before it was shipped to KSC.

Alfajuj

03-19-2009, 06:33 AM

Not from the old world...but they`re my crown jewels :D
28228

You're right. The Snap On S936 is still the ratchet to beat. :bowdown:I gotta get me one of those!

GDA

03-19-2009, 10:47 PM

Just picked up a few more and here's my progress on completing a Hazet 450 metric wrench set. Here's 8 to 41 with a few gaps

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i165/gaunan/Hazets.jpg

Alfajuj

03-20-2009, 06:33 AM

Just picked up a few more and here's my progress on completing a Hazet 450 metric wrench set. Here's 8 to 41 with a few gaps

Wow! those are cool.
The new 450Ns are nice, but the old ones are cooler.

I never see the old hazet 450s. You've even got one that's even earlier with the numbers not in boxes and the "1" with a very long overhang like a European hand-written 1.

They must be from the 50's-60's? I wish Hazet used date stamps like Snap On does :(

I found this pic on the web of really early wrenches from the 50's from a Porsche 356 site.

Hawk321

03-21-2009, 02:02 PM

@gda

Nice Set...

Made a nice deal this week. A Hazet die grinder for 59 Euro...list price is about 101 Euro...tool is new and I bought it in a regular store.

http://www.bilderhoster.net/thumbs/awtswb4f.jpg (http://www.bilderhoster.net/img.php?id=awtswb4f.jpg)

Same store sold me this nice Knipex 200mm side cutter...own 3 side cutters and everyone has only a lenght of 160 mm....sometime to short.

http://www.bilderhoster.net/thumbs/51hnl83r.jpg (http://www.bilderhoster.net/img.php?id=51hnl83r.jpg)

billymade

03-21-2009, 02:22 PM

Hawk321, so what is the deal on Hazet air tools? Does Hazet just OEM them from third party sources or are they actually made by Hazet and designed by Hazet? Do they say "made in Germany" on them? Some of their air tools look like familiar designs, possibly rebadged oem's; what kind of warranty to they have, do they offer rebuilding services after the sale and are they a quality tool, that will hold up to use? I have certainly never seen any in the USA but I have seen them, when I am drooling over the Hazet .pdf catalog online! :) Inquiring minds want to know! :)

Hawk321

03-21-2009, 02:27 PM

@billy

This is not SEARS!

Air tools are rebadged....found them at Pneutec and they buy all tool from somewhere (often Made in Japan)...

On my Hazet die grinder stand nothing of the origin...only the zip code from Hazet Remscheid....

The deal is, it's half of the list price. Hazet Air tools are fine and will normaly hold a lot of years...you get every spare parts you want...but you can't compare it to the Sears service....

Monte

03-21-2009, 09:34 PM

They are not made by Hazet. Hazet introduced the Air tool range to get some market share back from declining hand tool sales because of all the imports (thats what the salesman told me) . At least some of them seem to come from a company named "Gison" click (http://www.gison.com.tw/)

The Hazet air tools come with a exploded view and all parts can be purchased. They also have a service center for repair and calibration of the torque wrenches, maintance and repair of the pneumatic tools, tool boxes etc.

Here are some various types of what you can buy over here which looks like the same to me (except the different Hazet safety lever)...:

the last pic shows the Gison product.

http://www.tbs-aachen.de/ebay/produktbilder/252377/252377_1.jpg
http://www.aircraft.at/uploads/tx_produktkatalog/2404550_01_081206_02.jpg
http://www.seller-keller.de/werkzeugtechnik/Media/Shop/515.3050_1.jpeg
http://www.gison.com.tw/product/l-image1/GP-838STN.jpg

i own these tools from them. I use both grinders frequently as you can see, they work fine. I mainly choosed them because of the speed dial (yellow ring) . Sometimes you don`t need the full speed (cleaning discs/surface conditioning discs, flap discs, some wire wheels) and then this feature is handy. (Normally you have to use a screwdriver to adjust the speed , or there is no regulator valve at all)

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00006-3.jpg

Alfajuj

03-22-2009, 07:10 AM

Monte

03-22-2009, 10:31 AM

@Alfajuj: so you work for Lee Yeong Industrial ?

Alfajuj

03-23-2009, 01:58 AM

Yes, I do. You're a clever one, Monte!
How did you know that Lee Yeong supplies Stuermer?

superautobacs

03-23-2009, 02:17 AM

With the internet under his fingertips, everybodies identity is under scrutiny :D

Alfajuj

03-23-2009, 05:32 AM

You're creeping me out.
are you a detective or Shirlock Holmes or something?
Or maybe GDR secret police?

Lee Yeong supplies lots of prestigious European brands, such as Mirka in Finland, Dimas and Husqvarna in Sweden, Evolution, Hamilton and Magbroach in the UK, Skil and Dremel in Holland, Virax (Facom) and Metland in France, Spit (Heger), Routexport and Contimac in Belgium, Rurmec and Rockflex in Italy, Bosch, Stuermer, Walter, Wuerth and Storch in Germany Virutex in Spain, etc. etc....

Anyway, since this thread is about tools from the old world, I think I should make my contribution. Part One. Most of my tools are German made.

Ok. I'll admit it, I'm a German tool snob... There, I've said it.:beer:

Here are some chisels, pin punches and drifts by Benscheidt and Heynen

Alfajuj

03-23-2009, 05:40 AM

Here are some Wiha screwdrivers, hex keys and Torx drivers

Alfajuj

03-23-2009, 05:43 AM

Here are some Hafu hex keys
Hafu supplies a lot of OEM to many famous brands all over Europe.

Alfajuj

03-23-2009, 05:48 AM

Here are my Schroeder tools.:bounce:

Alfajuj

03-23-2009, 05:59 AM

Here is a Bollmann strap wrench (OEM to Hazet),
NWS circlip pliers,
Heyco XZN and RIBE L-keys

Alfajuj

03-23-2009, 06:06 AM

WGB wrenches:
I don't know why but I just love these. I've only got the 11mm and 17mm combination wrenches and some DIN wrenches. Their combination wrenches are quite slim.

Alfajuj

03-23-2009, 06:20 AM

Will pliers
and Witte screwdrivers. These Witte electronics screwdrivers look just like the ones in the Stahlwille catalog.

Alfajuj

03-23-2009, 06:58 AM

Elora inhex sockets 1/4" drive
starter wrenches,
flare nut wrenches (line wrenches)
and a few L-hex keys.
DIN wrenches.
I really like Elora products. They're not so expensive, but really very lovely.

Garage_Mahal

03-23-2009, 07:26 PM

Here are my Schroeder tools.:bounce:
Man, those look nice. Are they pricey?

Alfajuj

03-24-2009, 01:15 AM

You know, when I see tools I want, I get all slack-jawed and drooly and I just pay the man anything.:drool:

But seriously, Schroeder are about similar in price to Wiha. For example, I think the no.2 PH driver was like 250NT, which is about $8.00 US

Alfajuj

03-24-2009, 01:28 AM

Here's My Hilti TE 2-M Rotary Hammer
Made in Liechtenstein!!! :wtf:

Watch out! These days a lot of Hiltis are made in China. Always look at nameplate for the country of origin.

On Dewalts they put the "Made in China" in TINY letters written vertically in a faint color. They're keeping their fingers crossed that no one will notice :rocketwho

Alfajuj

03-24-2009, 05:32 AM

Here's my Metabo grinder. Metabo definitely makes the best grinders. (and Hilti definitely makes the best rotary hammers)
Take that from an industry insider. :thumbup:

Alfajuj

03-24-2009, 05:47 AM

This is my set of Facom screwdrivers. They come in this handy tool roll.
These are the nicest feeling screwdrivers I've ever used. They look wierd, but they fit your hand.

And, against all odds, they're actually made in France!!! :rocker:
Buy them up before Stanley closes every last Facom factory in France...Hurry! :lol_hitti

Alfajuj

03-24-2009, 06:03 AM

Alfajuj

03-24-2009, 06:26 AM

Irega model 77 12 inch adjustable wrench.
Irega produces for many famous brands all over Europe. I see that Hazet uses their model 92.

Alfajuj

03-24-2009, 07:39 AM

Stahlwille 14 series "Openbox" extra-long combination wrenches.
These are really comfortable wrenches. They have an I-beam cross section and nice and wide. The finish is smooth without being high polished.
They are a bit funny-looking, though. The open ends are off at an odd angle.
I bought this set new-in-box (maybe that's why they're called "open box":lol:)
anyway, even though they came as a set from the factory, they don't really match. :headscrat
The lengths aren't proportional. For example, the 11mm is just as long as the 12mm. And some have the size stamped on the open jaws and one others it's cast in the shank. A few have letters cast in the shank, others do not. :wtf:

Regardless of all the mysteries, they're still really nice wrenches.

And man, they are so supernaturally light. It's spooky. :Twitch: If you have a chance to heft one some time, you'll see what I mean.

Alfajuj

03-24-2009, 07:48 AM

Stahlwille 20 series "Stabil" deep-offset box wrenches.
See my comments above about the comfort and creepy lightness of these Stahlwille wrenches.
One of their engineers must have been in Roswell in 1947!:shocking:

Alfajuj

03-24-2009, 07:55 AM

My Knipex pliers. Not much needs to be said about Knipex. They rock:deathmeta

The Cobras have a special geometry so that, once it has bitten down, you only need to pull one of the handles. They have a self-locking effect. They can almost replace a pipe wrench. Very cool.

superautobacs

03-24-2009, 03:58 PM

Thanks for the great pics!
I agree with the lightness of Stahlwille wrenches, too. I should probably put it on a scale to see how it weighs against a similar size.

Can you tell us why the Metabo angle grinder is the industry best?

Monte

03-24-2009, 09:54 PM

Yes, I do. You're a clever one, Monte!
How did you know that Lee Yeong supplies Stuermer?

Like 1 or 1,5 yrs. ago i was looking for a magnetic drill and i also found your company it was clear that you are the supplier because of the same design and because metallkraft/sturmer is no manufacturer ( except their "Optimum" stuff ) . After i searched the web and found all those ""Manufacturers"" and brands like Alfra, BDS, Euroboor, Powerbor, Evolution, GTW, Hougen, Jancy, Magforce, Rotabroach, Durabore, Magbroach, Magnetor, Optibohr, Ruko,Bux, Promotech, Promac, Unibor, WAB, Magtron, Nitto Kohki just to name a few...
:-) in the end it was clear there are only a few real manufacturers out there like Fein, Hougen , Nitto kohki, lee yeong, Eibenstock etc. (+chinese). Every now and then mag drills come equipped with makita or hitachi motors some use AEG/Atlas-copco/milwaukee motors but most of all manufacturers/brands use "Eibenstock" motors/machines .
You even find Eibenstock in the Dewalt lineup and also wholesalers put their name on them and then you find them under the "Fakkt" or "Primat" brand too. Bosch also buys from them klick (http://www.bosch-pt.de/boptocs2-de/Handwerk-Industrie/Werkzeuge/DE/de/gw/Bohrmaschinen/101357/GBM%2032-4/5767/index.htm) and even Makita has "Eibenstock" power tools in their lineup klick (http://www.nexmart.de/intershoproot/eCS/eMart/media/portal/de/DE/sellerdata/makita/catalog/media/ut120_normal.jpg) and klick (http://www.hundt-direkt.de/images/300054.jpg)
. So thats a pretty impressive list of established and well respected customers (Bosch,Dewalt, Makita, Ruko,BDS, Alfra, Magnetor,Euroboor, Fakkt,Primat,Unibor (=Nitto Kohki/Japan) , Magbroach,optibohr, ....etc...)
so back then i made the decision if I get a mag drill then a rebadged Eibenstock machine namely the MAB 485 from BDS because the price/value is better than from the others. ok they are more expensive then metallkraft machines but only a few bucks but since they`re Made in Germany (since 1919) its ok to pay more .....and i also don`t like those mishmash grocery store like companies like sturmer where you don`t know which quality you buy since they source their tools from everywhere like china (drill presses, bench grinders ) ,italy (belt grinders,compressors, some wood working machines), czech (bandsaws and woodworking tools) and turkey (www.durmazlar.com.tr).
And to judge just from the looks most is crap like their cold saws with one of the most wavy machine-beds i ever saw, horrible paint job, the switch almost fell out... ( eventually made by ttmcklick (http://www.ttmc.cn/product_view.asp?id=26&classname=Circular%20Saw) but motor says MACC klick (http://85.94.195.62/sez/03cat/04sc1.asp?PROidr=10&usrLAN=3&) license build ?) and i don`t even want to start to comment on the wavy cast parts which are hidden under bondo (!!) and their cheap drill presses because i would get sued if they read it hehe

PS: if someone is interested Eibenstock is also available in the USA for example here: click (www.csunitec.com)

The companies HP: http://www.eibenstock.com/

--------------------------Advertisement end-----------------------
:D

Monte

03-24-2009, 10:36 PM

Here's my Metabo grinder. Metabo definitely makes the best grinders. (and Hilti definitely makes the best rotary hammers)
Take that from an industry insider. :thumbup:

@alfajuj: nice exotic (Bollmann, Benscheidt,will, schröder...) collection ! :bowdown:

ps: i thought DUSS www.duss.de makes the best hammers ?

"All" the metalworkers over here swear by their Fein angle grinders...what do you think about Fein ? and also Flex, Suhner and Kress angle grinders ?
(since i saw that you now offer some products which originated by flex and fein i bet you have their tools in your examination room !?)

Alfajuj

03-26-2009, 04:25 AM

Yes, Fein is absolutely awesome stuff. But truly expensive.
They do things in an old-school cost-no-object kind of way. Like Mercedes-
Benz in the old days. If you have the money, you can't go wrong with Fein.

Flex has excellent electronic speed control. They've definitely done their homework on that. We don't agree with how they set their gearing for most applications, though.

And I still think Metabo has the edge over Flex in electronics.

We haven't done any testing with either Suhner or Kress. So I don't have anything to say about them.

We are always looking to create niche type tools. So our analysis of tools like angle grinders is with special applications in mind.

Regarding magnetic drills, yes, Eibenstock makes many of the motors used on European mag drills. But the magnetic stands of almost all the European mag drills is a company in Poland called Promotech http://www.promotech.eu/ They started out as a magnet manufacturer and, as the story goes, got into making mag stands when Jancy went over to Poland looking for a lower cost source. Jancy taught them how to make mag stands and they ran with it.
Most mag drill brands are primarily cutter manufacturers and wanted to sell the machines to promote the sale of their cutters. The bigger money is in the cutters, since they're consumables.

Phang

03-26-2009, 05:51 AM

Here are the Hazet 2593-1 and 2593-21 combo, a special tool to install and remove the front struts on some VW cars.

I bought them to work on the telelever front suspension ball joint of my BMW R1150R (motorcycle). The cutout on the socket body will allow the 7mm hex handle to hold the stud while you are torquing/loosening the nut.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN6101.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN6103.jpg

Alfajuj

03-26-2009, 06:05 AM

:drool:Cool. Hazet Haaaazeeeetttt, I'm getting all drooly again.
I'll post some Hazet pics soon.

dink

03-26-2009, 07:39 AM

My German tools

dink

03-26-2009, 07:41 AM

More Tools

Alfajuj

03-26-2009, 07:59 AM

I would like to share my Gedore pics.
It seems from this forum that in the US, Gedore tools are the made in India ones and that they are not good at all.

All the Gedore I see in Taiwan are always the German and Austrian (pliers) production. I've heard that there is also Gedore made in South Africa, but I've never seen these.

Here are some Gedore model 1B combination wrenches.
They have a very deep offset on the box end, deeper than any other combination wrench I've seen.

They are really special looking I love the rib that extends from the open end down part of the shank.
That style is originally from J.H. Williams (USA) in the early 1950's. The pic is from the site http://alloy-artifacts.com Very elegant! :thumbup:

Alfajuj

03-26-2009, 08:17 AM

Here are some Gedore model no.7 combination wrenches, DIN 894 wrenches and a pair of pliers. They're made in Austria.

Alfajuj

03-26-2009, 08:48 AM

Like 1 or 1,5 yrs. ago i was looking for a magnetic drill

I am curious, why did you need a magnetic drill?
What do you do, if I may ask.

stricht8

03-26-2009, 09:23 AM

Can you show us that Stahlwille tool box?

Here are the Hazet 2593-1 and 2593-21 combo, a special tool to install and remove the front struts on some VW cars.

I bought them to work on the telelever front suspension ball joint of my BMW R1150R (motorcycle). The cutout on the socket body will allow the 7mm hex handle to hold the stud while you are torquing/loosening the nut.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN6101.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN6103.jpg

Phang

03-26-2009, 09:48 AM

It is a 3 trays box. I live in an apartment and I use it to transfer tools that I need from my cart in the house to my car/bikes at the basement carpark when I work on them.

Some of the pics when she is new :beer:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN5803.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN5804.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN5805.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN5979.jpg

stricht8

03-26-2009, 10:03 AM

Here are my Hazet Mercedes diesel injection wrenches/sockets.

stricht8

03-26-2009, 10:05 AM

Thanks for showing. It is a beauty. I have a Hazet box that is identical to that except for the color. Must be the same manufacturer. I don't have it here with me to photograph.

It is a 3 trays box. I live in an apartment and I use it to transfer tools that I need from my cart in the house to my car/bikes at the basement carpark when I work on them.

Some of the pics when she is new :beer:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN5803.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN5804.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN5805.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN5979.jpg

Uncle Buck

03-26-2009, 10:41 AM

Nice looking old school box there, even if it is foreign!

zuspiel

03-26-2009, 10:45 AM

Hey, you got your user name changed! :thumbup: :beer:

Uncle Buck

03-26-2009, 11:17 AM

Hey, you got your user name changed! :thumbup: :beer:

I have been wanting it made official for a while. Now thanks to SUPERMODERATOR BMW I got it changed in the blink of an eye! (you were the first to notice!):thumbup:

Monte

03-26-2009, 08:22 PM

I am curious, why did you need a magnetic drill?
What do you do, if I may ask.

Every now and then i have to drill a couple of big holes into 6mm sheet metal (up to 57mm) ... but to use a hand drill is too annoying for the machine and the user.....

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Also my lifeplan says that i want my own metalworking shop ...
I already have a couple of tools together, like the Klaeger machine saw, Grit belt grinder, Merkle 350Amp. MIG welder , Messer Griesheim 390A TIG/stick welder, Bosch bench grinder and Kaeser SX4 screw compressor w/ 53 gallon tank. So that whats still missing is a mag drill....

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Alfajuj

03-27-2009, 05:20 AM

It is a 3 trays box. I live in an apartment and I use it to transfer tools that I need from my cart in the house to my car/bikes at the basement carpark when I work on them.

I'm in a similar situation here in Taiwan. Living in an appartment and having to decide which tools you're going to need and then carrying them down to the basement. Then when you get halfway through the job, you need to make a trip to get something else, and then you're worried someone will steal something, etc. You need things to be portable but as complete and convenient as possible.
That's why I had a special tool roll custom made for my 30 piece set of Hazet 603s. I like things that can go in tool rolls or the socket sets in cases, etc.

Here they are. The mother or all combination wrench sets in a giant roll.
Many of these larger sizes are no longer made by Hazet in the 603 model. Now they're just in the 600N model.
The 603 is nice because it has a lot of offset on the box end and it isn't too long. That can be useful sometimes. They are an older model and they don't have flank drive on the box end.

Alfajuj

03-27-2009, 05:59 AM

Every now and then i have to drill a couple of big holes into 6mm sheet metal (up to 57mm) ... but to use a hand drill is too annoying for the machine and the user.....

Also my lifeplan says that i want my own metalworking shop ...
I already have a couple of tools together, like the Klaeger machine saw, Grit belt grinder, Merkle 350Amp. MIG welder , Messer Griesheim 390A TIG/stick welder, Bosch bench grinder and Kaeser SX4 screw compressor w/ 53 gallon tank. So that whats still missing is a mag drill....

I don't know whether you need a big mag drill (maybe 100mm cutters, no.3 morse taper arbor, reversing switch for tapping etc.) or a small one (maybe 35mm capacity).

If I were in the market for a mag drill, I would look at the new Alfras with variable height slide. That is a very good feature to have. (I can tell you, being their competitor, we were impressed when we saw it!) They come in 40mm, 60mm and 100mm sizes, models Rotabest 40RQ, 60, 100.
If you need tapping function they have reversible models 40RL-E, 60RL-E and 100RL-E. My only concern with the Alfra is the membrane switches they use. It seems a very inappropriate choice for the application. But they've been using them for years and years.
I also like the BDS mag drills. They are a top quality machine also and definitely worth a look. But the Alfra has them beat with the variable height slide.

If I were located in Germany and looking at a mag drills, that's what I would look at.

Alfajuj

03-27-2009, 07:22 AM

I would like to share some pics of my other Hazet tools.
These are my Hazet torx tools
This model 1557-22 set is quite old, NOS. Probably from the 80's or earlier.

Alfajuj

03-27-2009, 07:51 AM

Here are my Hazet pliers. Truly, the nicest pliers I've ever seen. These photos do not do them justice.
Also my two Hazet screwdrivers.

Alfajuj

03-27-2009, 08:00 AM

Here are my Hazet 600N combination wrenches. I bought these online from Germany.
I can't imagine a better wrench in existance. This is the stuff.:thumbup:

Alfajuj

03-27-2009, 08:11 AM

I've also got a few NOS Hazet series 625 double box wrenches. I will complete the set soon.
They've only got a small amount of offset, which is what I usually prefer with double box wrenches.

Alfajuj

03-27-2009, 08:19 AM

:rocker:And now... drum roll please,
my crown jewels
Hazet socket sets 882 and 900
For those who appreciate the finer things in life:beer:

B.O.V., Norway

03-27-2009, 08:36 AM

That's some mighty sweet stuff Alfajuj. :drool:

Have a nice day. :)

Phang

03-30-2009, 02:03 AM

Wow! That’s most impressive Alfajuj, I wanted to “upgrade” my current FACOM ring/box/close wrenches and combination wrenches to something made in Germany. Haven’t decide between Stahlwille and Hazet yet but more incline towards Stahlwille as we have a local dealer here. After viewing your collections, I got to seriously reconsider Hazet again, how convenient is buying Hazet online?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN5797.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN5799.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN5800.jpg

Alfajuj

03-30-2009, 06:15 AM

Wow, those Facoms look nice :thumbup: French tools seem to have a certain stylish flair.

This is a quote from my reply in another thread. It more or less answers your question. Ordering from Germany you will get amazing prices compared to what your importer in your country would probably charge. We have a Hazet importer in Taiwan, but I just can't bring myself to pay his absurd prices knowing what I can get from Germany. But the shipping will wipe out any such price savings unless you buy a lot of stuff at one time. Whatever you do, don't order from an American company, their prices won't be any better than your Singapore importer; probably worse.

As for choosing between Stahlwille and Hazet, I have nothing to say. They're both great, just a different flavor. But I can say that the Stahlwilles have the edge in comfort to the hand.

I've bought from the following two:

http://www.weltweitwerkzeug.net/ (Hazet)

http://www.fluidonline.de/ (Stahlwille)
They were both very kind and helpful. The websites are not in English, but when you email them, they reply in English. I prepaid them by bank wire transfer. When they quote you, remind them that the EU tax does not apply to products shipped outside the EU.

I also had contact with these companies and they were also willing to ship to me but I haven't bought from them yet.

http://www.inox-schrauben.de/index.php?cPath=218&osCsid=ceba1e52c9e9ad865569b7f6896cc33c

http://www.weiner-autoteile.de/frameset.html

All the other companies were unwilling to ship outside of the EU. I sent emails to every single german online retailer I could find. Many ignored me. I even asked them why they would not ship outside the EU, but they did not give me a reason. I was annoyed by this because the site with the best selection and best prices on Hazet (tbs-aachen.de) just said: "we do not ship to Taiwan, we sell only in the EU". I sent him a long letter about why it is risk free to sell to me and so on, but he never replied

stricht8

03-30-2009, 09:18 AM

Yes they are nice. Facom tools always have a better finish than Hazet or anything German. This doesn't of course mean that they are better. The Facom wrenches feel silky smooth in the hand due to that smooth satin finish. The German ones also have a satin finish but not as silky. Stahlwille wrenches do feel right in the hand, though.

Phang

03-30-2009, 09:38 AM

Thanks for the pointers Alfajuj, I will throw more questions to you when I am ready for it :beer:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN5802.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN5790.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN5793.jpg

stricht8

03-30-2009, 09:53 AM

Mmmm. Things of beauty! Those Stahwille line wrenches look tight (toight).

Thanks for the pointers Alfajuj, I will throw more questions to you when I am ready for it :beer:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN5802.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN5790.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN5793.jpg

Phang

03-30-2009, 10:06 AM

Mmmm. Things of beauty! Those Stahwille line wrenches look tight (toight).

Stricht8, the Stahlwille line wrench indeed a very tight fit to the 10mm bleed nipple to the extend that I thought I got the wrong size when I took the photo. But once they are aligned, it slips and engages like chambering a round in the firearms.

Phang

03-31-2009, 04:42 AM

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00003-3.jpg

Hi Monte, are those Preciforce 97 52 36 (left) and 97 52 3X (right) at the bottom of the photo?

I am tired of the crimper made from stamped metal which I bought years ago and wanted some serious crimpers for my car and bikes maintenance use. What would you suggest for the non insulated crimper? 97 52 34 or 97 52 35?

Monte

03-31-2009, 04:39 PM

Hi Phang !
yes these are the preciforce 97 52 36 and 97 52 35 (4,8 + 6,3 mm ) . With the 97 52 35 you can use wires from 0,5 - 6,0mm² (20 - 10 AWG) I think this is the appropriate tool for what you plan to do. If you have acess to "Wezag" brand click (http://www.wezag.de/content/view/37/38/lang,en_US/) or "Weidmüller" click (http://catalog.weidmueller.com/procat/ChangeLocale.do;jsessionid=E7AA2F779413EE175388943 93E44932A?ChangeLocaleForm.localeId=en&ChangeLocaleForm.page=Group&ChangeLocaleForm.productId=&ChangeLocaleForm.groupId=%28%22group912436567894%2 2%29) i would check them out too.

Monte

04-02-2009, 03:45 PM

@Alfajuj: what do you plan to order next ?? :D
ps: Do you remember when you bought the Hazet pliers ?? The look like Belzer pliers. Very nice ! wanna sell ?? :D

carsounds_dan

04-02-2009, 04:11 PM

here are my stahlwilles, the marks in the photo's are due to my grubby hands.. they work a treat and fit even the most rounded of bolts fantastically without any fuss and undo them without a problem
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e147/DanEli1990/DSCN1379.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e147/DanEli1990/DSCN1380.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e147/DanEli1990/DSCN1381.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e147/DanEli1990/DSCN1382.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e147/DanEli1990/DSCN1383.jpghttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e147/DanEli1990/DSCN1384.jpghttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e147/DanEli1990/DSCN1385.jpghttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e147/DanEli1990/DSCN1386.jpghttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e147/DanEli1990/DSCN1387.jpghttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e147/DanEli1990/DSCN1388.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e147/DanEli1990/DSCN1389.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e147/DanEli1990/DSCN1390.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e147/DanEli1990/DSCN1391.jpg

Monte

04-02-2009, 04:21 PM

This is my Ko-ken attack driver. Truly a must-have tool. Although it isn't from the old world, Ko-ken OEMs for many old world brands.
The Hazet attack driver is made OEM by Ko-ken (but not this model shown here).

i got this version. Seems to be the newer one from 10/2006 and newer

29246

the older ones: Hazet
http://www.hazet.de/typo3temp/pics/cef49ceb11.jpg

koken
http://xr100.blog.ocn.ne.jp/photos/uncategorized/attackdriver1.jpg

It looks like the 5/16 bit-holder is incorporated into the the Hazet version of the ko-ken tool ?

Frank Elson

04-02-2009, 05:06 PM

I found a bunch of Stahwille "motor" and "open" in a bucket I've just cleaned up (see my "Spanners" thread.
They do feel so good in the hand, neat and well designed. But the chrome plating is the worst I have ever come across.
Of course, they are really, really old and the rust must have got underneath the plating.
After wire brushing the loose stuff I had to take a file to some of the hard flaking chrome and they're now in my regular use drawers even though they look a bit piebald.

superautobacs

04-02-2009, 05:54 PM

i got this version. Seems to be the newer one from 10/2006 and newer

29246

I'd like to get that exact same model, too.
Some features/benefits:
The entire body of the striker is nickel chrome plated first, but the difference with the newer one is that the shavened area of the striking face is given a hot black-oxide finish. This way, you don't get chrome flaking/chipping/peeling--a safety issue.
The newer version's body has been treated to be softer than the older counterpart--less prone to fracturing from hard impacts.
The newer version's output cam portion has been extra hardened to improve it's resistance to abrasion.
The overall body has been lengthened by 20mm for a safer operation.
The spring rate that dictates the efficiency of the cam mechanism has been changed to yield better usability and performance.

Alfajuj

04-03-2009, 02:44 AM

@Alfajuj: what do you plan to order next ?? :D
ps: Do you remember when you bought the Hazet pliers ?? They look like Belzer pliers. Very nice ! wanna sell ?? :D

I'm thinking about getting the box set of deep well 1/2 drive sockets by Stahlwille. It's just sockets, no ratchets or extensions.

About the pliers, I don't remember when I got them, but they were already quite old new-old-stock when I got them. I paid a pretty penny for them, as I recall.
I never sell tools, I only buy them! :bounce:

Monte

04-03-2009, 03:36 PM

@superautobacs: Thanks for the translation ! (from this PDF ? click (http://www.koken-tool.co.jp/support/KOKEN200610_AD.pdf)
i only paid 22,96 € without tax ( about 31$) which is particularly favorable :) compared to $87,95 list price...

ps: if you have a few seconds....: :D
could you be so kind translate what the left part of the koken website says http://www.koken-tool.co.jp/index.html (you have to wait a couple of seconds until the box appears, I only can read [Made in Japan] :D but what do they say below ? )
Thanks in advance ! :thumbup: :canada2:

superautobacs

04-03-2009, 11:36 PM

csquared

04-04-2009, 10:46 AM

http://www.stahlwille.com/images/stahlwille_logo.jpg (http://www.stahlwille.com)

Pure German tool porn. Also, the best tool website I have seen.

Monte

04-04-2009, 07:37 PM

@Monte,

Yup yup, that's the PDF file.

OK, here's the translation as best as I could:

We have produced sockets for half a century.
From shortly after WWII we had our eyes on the overseas market, and now we have gained success in 60 countries around the world. As a socket wrench maker, being produced in Japan, we continue to strive for an abundance in product line-up and quality standards.

thanks a bunch !

a couple more koken pics:

3/8" wobble extensions with knurling. hey thats 2 patents in just 1 tool ! :D

29364

29365

29366

SAE sockets

29367

picked up this extension w/ a locking pin, less hassle compared with the o-ring design cheaper than locking ext. and i think safer (?) than retaining ball at 9500 rpm...
29368

Monte

04-07-2009, 07:11 PM

Facom S.161 , R.161 and J.161 fine tooth ratchets

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/chghmm8.jpg

Facom (???) knock-offs for 4,99€ .....

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/chghmm10.jpg

"Proxxon" Dremel copy (but I like it better - more ergonomic, handy , ligther , made in EU)

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/kjnj7.jpg

Monte

04-10-2009, 03:26 PM

2 of my favourite knipex tools. mini bolt cutter and cable shears.

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/IMAG0015.jpg

"Peddinghaus" hammers made in france (reminds me to buy brake cleaner....) :)

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/IMAG0004.jpg

Hazet oil filter spider wrench

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/IMAG0013.jpg

bchee

04-10-2009, 05:01 PM

a couple more koken pics:

3/8" wobble extensions with knurling. hey thats 2 patents in just 1 tool ! :D

I want some of those Koken extensions. How does the knurling feel?

Monte

04-25-2009, 05:35 PM

bchee : the knurling stick out about 1 mm or so , it`s great for turning the socket before you can engage the ratchet. It also prevents the extension from rolling around.

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/DSC00004-3.jpg

The price was good too ( 46 $ ) ... The 6pc. Snap-on wobble set was in the November 2008 sales promo for "just" $ 208 (!) here in germany... so the decision was easy...

superautobacs

04-27-2009, 01:25 AM

Speaking of Ko-ken, here are my 3/8" wobble extensions I purchased over the winter:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3496/3259780852_85f9d624a4.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3491/3258946897_7a5e551a75_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3345/3259778260_631517dac6_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3303/3258949123_7e3c4d40e9_b.jpg

Monte

04-27-2009, 04:03 PM

@superautobacs: beautiful pics ! :thumbup:

Here`s a Koken swivel head ratchet:

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/loiki25.jpg

The odd thing is that the handle is (Tig ?) welded to the beam:

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/loiki26.jpg

Monte

04-28-2009, 03:39 PM

High leverage cutter from NWS Tools Solingen:

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/gjhfgu.jpg

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/hgjk.jpg

Deep offset Stahlwille wrenches

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/IMAG0030.jpg

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/IMAG0029.jpg

Phang

04-28-2009, 06:56 PM

Good morning Monte,

This thread has made me torn between Hazet and Stahlwille. I wanted to add a ½” socket set to my toolbox but unable to make up my mind, I would appreciate if you can shed some lights here :bowdown:

Monte

05-20-2009, 06:59 PM

Hi Phang !
sorry for the late reply !

I don´t think there is much difference in quality between the two - It`s more a difference in the finish and the target market and the concept of the companies .

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/IMAG0014.jpg

The Hazet sockets have a combined matt/polished finish/look with a very helpfull double knurling which sticks out while the Wille sockets have a knurling which is inboard (like the snapon sockets) and a matte finish with turned "heads" but no polished appearance like the Hazets.

Hazet

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/IMAG0017.jpg

Stahlwille

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/IMAG0016.jpg

So the Hazet concept is to have a matt (sandblasted on wrenches ) finish always combined with a polished part (except open end wrenches and bit sockets)

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/IMAG0021.jpg
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/IMAG0016-1.jpg
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/nbh2.jpg
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/IMAG0007.jpg
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/IMAG0027.jpg

Stahlwille has this smooth satin like finish on their wrenches , extensions, ratchets etc. and a matt finish on their sockets

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/juzhg2.jpg
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/IMAG0029.jpg
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/IMAG0026.jpg

I own almost everything from Hazet since they`re easier to get + i like the design better and the matt side and knurling makes sense, you have a good grip if you turn the sockets with your hand , yet they`re easy to clean on their polished heads e.g. so fitment on countersunk bolts is no issue. So you have both advantages of easy cleaning which is better with sleek polished/chrome plated tools and a good grip because of the matt rough side and the double knurling which is better if you have oily hands or rust remover is all over the place. The wille sockets offer less grip but they are a fraction thinner .
But since it`s not bad to own a tool twice I`m currently building another socket/wrench set with stahlwille tools so I don`t have to decide. :)

Phang

05-21-2009, 09:48 PM

Hi Monte,

Thank you for your excellent review and photos. You have highlighted the differences accurately :thumbup:

While waiting for your reply, I took the plunge to order a relatively basic Wille ½” set (STAHLWILLE 52/9/3) to start with.

The Stahlwille logo on the metal box is silk screen printed, I guess they no longer offer the nice (more expensive to make) die stamped logo anymore.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN6177.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN6179.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN6180.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN6181.jpg

Monte

05-22-2009, 12:16 PM

Nice boxes ! Whats inside ? :bounce:

The only thing missing in the wille box is a universal joint i think.

Here`s a pic from buddy`s box which he got 1/2 yr. ago , also the newer style.

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/nmnjj4.jpg

some more stahlwille tools :D

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj347/mrblvd_album/hjzzu34.jpg

Mr.Nutcase

05-22-2009, 12:22 PM

go with Stahlwille....

Phang

05-22-2009, 01:36 PM

This is what you’ll see in the silver colour KTC box.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/tb308.png

FiftyCalAl

05-22-2009, 02:31 PM

To Monte and the others who took the time to share with those of us in CONUS-

THANK YOU!:thumbup:

Monte

05-22-2009, 05:04 PM

@Phang: Nice ! I like those extensions ! That`s a removable socket rail integrated ?
Do you own other japanese tools ? Nepros ? Asahi ? Keiba ? Anex ? ... ?

superautobacs

05-23-2009, 12:08 AM

Here's my set of KTC 3/8" sockets:
Of all the sockets that I own, these have the closest tolerances; they fit the bolt/nut tightest and in combination with the ratchets that I own, is virtually wobble-free at the square drive.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3401/3259662224_4908594b49_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3398/3259661128_2626fb16ae_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3364/3259663306_8e68de5aae_b.jpg

A side by side picture of the 8mm and 17mm.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3374/3258832355_9dbc990461_b.jpg

Phang

05-23-2009, 01:12 AM

Yes, the socket rail is removable as shown in superautobacs’ excellently taken photos. The red plastic socket holder slides along the wire rails and you can customise it by adding more holders to the rails.

http://www.naps-jp.com/img/puroduct/ktc/320/0000337495l.jpg

http://www.kyototool.co.jp/news/ehb.jpg

The Japanese tools in my box are all from KTC as they are easier to get and priced reasonably here.

Here is my electronic torque wrench (6Nm to 30Nm) from KTC which is not commonly seen in CONUS and Old World I guess :beer:

Guess what is the size of the KTC torque wrench drive :bounce:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN6095.jpg

Monte

05-23-2009, 02:33 AM

If its the GWE2-30 model then 1/4" if the GWEC3-30 then 3/8" (same body) . So because you ask i guess 3/8" :)

ps: Asia is old world too: :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/Diagrammatic_T-O_world_map_-_12th_century.jpg/475px-Diagrammatic_T-O_world_map_-_12th_century.jpg

;-)

Phang

05-23-2009, 02:48 AM

Bingo :thumbup: I am impressed with your knowledge in tools.

It is a 3/8” drive electronic torque wrench. ¼” size body but fitted with 3/8” drive.

Some photos taken alongside with my 3/8” ratchet

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN6098.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN6096.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/Phang/DSCN6097.jpg

It reminds me of this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38194000/jpg/_38194172_box_black300.jpg

p/s: I think the ancient people got it wrong, Asia is not that big :headscrat

superautobacs

05-23-2009, 11:38 AM

Phang, do you like your KTC デジラチェ "dejirache" and your primary use for it would be motorcycles?

I think my next ratchet purchase is going to be the KTC BRC3FS, which is a stubby flex 3/8" drive in a 1/4" body. It's 80mm long and the head is 20mm wide.
http://www.ultimatetoolco.com/images/miniratchet1.jpg

Here's a couple drive adaptors from KTC:

IIRC, they won a Japanese Good Design award for them.

They act, not only as adaptors, but also as finger speeders. There are others that make these, but I've never been able to make any comparisons. The only concern I have with my mine are the magnets that are set into place--that's what holds a socket in place. I wish they had stronger neodymium magnets placed in there. If you are working on grimy nuts/bolts, you may find the socket detaching from the adaptor to be an annoyance. In a cleaner environment, they are just fine.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3443/3240115084_cd2a9bf2cb.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3491/3258825633_d4f04f28e7.jpg

Phang

05-23-2009, 12:24 PM

You are right, some of the fasteners on my motorcycles call for 10Nm, 8Nm and 7Nm which are below my FACOM 10Nm-50NM torque wrench so I need one that can measure torque values below 10Nm accurately.

I wish KTC can make the body of the digi-ratchet slimmer. Apparently they are using the same electronic module/handle across the digi-ratchet product range, not a big concern on the greater torque models but the bulkiness of the electronic module/handle is more apparent on mine.

http://digital-ratchet.jp/image_e/lineup_1.jpghttp://digital-ratchet.jp/image_e/lineup_2.gif
http://digital-ratchet.jp/image_e/lineup_e22.jpg

KTC’s look less slippery to greasy fingers than Stahlwille

http://www.stahlwille-online.de/pictures/all/409m_432m_514m_3_fot_012.jpg

p/s: I can read Katakana and Kanji:)

Monte

05-23-2009, 06:44 PM

The Japanese tools in my box are all from KTC as they are easier to get and priced reasonably here.

Here is my electronic torque wrench (6Nm to 30Nm) from KTC which is not commonly seen in CONUS and Old World I guess :beer:

The only shop which i know of here in europe who is selling KTC (and Nepros) is this http://www.toolsandstorage.com/ *click* (http://www.toolsandstorage.com/producten.php?m=188&g=&p=1) one from Netherland. The only japanese brand which widely known is Mitutoyo, others like KDS and Olfa you`ll find often too , Tajima and Tohnichi seldom and basically that`s it with japanese handtools here. Sometimes you stumble across strange things like this single Keiba tool which i saw in a big box store:
http://www.keiba-tool.com/seihin/htm/42/1.jpg

Phang

05-23-2009, 09:52 PM

GWEC3-030 selling at €205.00… wow:shocking:

I paid €165.00(excluding 7%tax) in Singapore. You can get it at around €140 in Japan.

Do you notice the prices at http://nepros.net/ are much lower than the prices of the same items in Japan?

Take a 3/8” standard ratchet NBR3UN for example.

http://www.ems-tools.jp/image//NBR3UN.jpg

Folks in the states pay USD40, you guys in Europe pay €54 (USD76) but Japan is selling it at JPY11,056 which is around USD117.

Nepros is not available off the shelve at the KTC dealers in Singapore. If I place a nepros order via Singapore dealers, likely I will need to pay it base on the Japanese Yen price.

It is 21st century now, I can always buy it online from http://nepros.net/ but to my great disappointment the website does not ship out of USA. Never mind that, I can always use shipping services like http://www.borderlinx.com/en/. Again, no go. The online ordering form will take my credit card issuing address as delivery address by default.

Sorry for the lengthy post on Nepros, I am very reluctant to pay Nepros prices in Asia after I found out that they are promoting it at 65% discount in the USA. I am still finding a way to buy Nepros from http://nepros.net/ :mad:

superautobacs

05-24-2009, 12:05 AM

Do you notice the prices at http://nepros.net/ are much lower than the prices of the same items in Japan?
......

Sorry for the lengthy post on Nepros, I am very reluctant to pay Nepros prices in Asia after I found out that they are promoting it at 65% discount in the USA. I am still finding a way to buy Nepros from http://nepros.net/ :mad:

Yeah, I mentioned in another thread about how surprised I was to find the nepros.net site selling at those prices; it makes me reconsider buying Nepros now.

Monte, I've got some Keiba pliers, Anex bits, Asahi stubby wrenches. Well, since Japan can be considered Old World as well, maybe I should post my small selection of Japanese-made tools?

Phang

05-24-2009, 12:14 AM

Well, since Japan can be considered Old World as well, maybe I should post my small selection of Japanese-made tools?

I reckon it would be an eye opener :wtf: :drool:

roygrady

05-24-2009, 12:32 AM

Hi Phang !
sorry for the late reply !

I don´t think there is much difference in quality between the two - It`s more a difference in the finish and the target market and the concept of the companies .

I own almost everything from Hazet since they`re easier to get + i like the design better and the matt side and knurling makes sense, you have a good grip if you turn the sockets with your hand , yet they`re easy to clean on their polished heads e.g. so fitment on countersunk bolts is no issue. So you have both advantages of easy cleaning which is better with sleek polished/chrome plated tools and a good grip because of the matt rough side and the double knurling which is better if you have oily hands or rust remover is all over the place. The wille sockets offer less grip but they are a fraction thinner .
But since it`s not bad to own a tool twice I`m currently building another socket/wrench set with stahlwille tools so I don`t have to decide. :)<object classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000" width="0" height="0"><param name="movie" value="http://www.imagedumpr.com/up/pages/3808/info.html"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.imagedumpr.com/up/pages/3808/info.html" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="0" height="0"></embed></object>

Thanks Monte thats some good info!

GDA

05-24-2009, 02:47 AM

..... Do you notice the prices at http://nepros.net/ are much lower than the prices of the same items in Japan?

Take a 3/8” standard ratchet NBR3UN for example.

http://www.ems-tools.jp/image//NBR3UN.jpg

Folks in the states pay USD40, you guys in Europe pay €54 (USD76) but Japan is selling it at JPY11,056 which is around USD117.

It is 21st century now, I can always buy it online from http://nepros.net/ but to my great disappointment the website does not ship out of USA. Never mind that, I can always use shipping services like http://www.borderlinx.com/en/. Again, no go. The online ordering form will take my credit card issuing address as delivery address by default.

Sorry for the lengthy post on Nepros, I am very reluctant to pay Nepros prices in Asia after I found out that they are promoting it at 65% discount in the USA. I am still finding a way to buy Nepros from http://nepros.net/ :mad:

Thanks for sharing. I've never heard of these tools. I bet I would like the ratchets and the beefy section of the handles.

I just perused the Nepros website and those all look like nice tools; however, their sets seemed very geared towards working on Hondas and the like. Are they a "truck" brand or more similar to Proto or SK in the States.