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NugeConstruction
02-23-2009, 04:45 AM
And yes, I am using the term Vice Grips in the generic sense.

You see, IRWIN, a while back, after I here read of how you hung Petersen Manufacturing out to dry, and I then went and shopped around town until I found some real live, made in America of American components Vice Grips, I finally did find some.

And boy they were nice.

But after I had them in my hands for a while there at the hardware store, I looked down and saw...

IRWIN

...on their handles, and I couldn't stand it; I put them back on the rack.

I do not know that I have much choice in the matter of where a lot of the other things I buy comes from, but in having a brother-in-law in the tool and die industry, and with my dad having worked here and there in a few factories over the course of his life until he was laid off last fall, and with my having grown up within about 60 miles of Kenosha (home of Snap-on), and Brookfield (former manufacturing facility of Milwaukee Electric Tool Co.), etc., I intend to at least avoid as best I can firms who cut hard working Americans off at the knees, and most particularly in this regard, manufacturers of TOOLS.

nameplate of my SuperSawzall:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_nu35IiPOyWY/SYKhp3AJgmI/AAAAAAAAABs/i5YD8vbduLk/s640/P1020547.JPG

You see, and as I put it to a father and a son whom I ran into in the tool section of a pawn shop recently, tools are what made the world what it is.

Tools in the hands of hard working men, mind you.

And if you take away a man's tools, or a nation's means of making them, you take away the means of a man and a nation to keep their habitation from turning back into the jungle from which man scratched out civilizaton in the first place, quite literally, with his bare hands, until he was able to make TOOLS.

So IRWIN, be please be advised that, while I used to buy your clamps, spade bits, chalklines, etc., from here on out I will crawl over glass to avoid buying ANYTHING with your name on it.

Returning from my long-winded aside: here for your consideration my fellow Garage Journal members is some info on an alternative to the IRWIN brand of LOCKING PLIERS*.

(*) As the IRWIN brand itself is in my opinion properly called, what with IRWIN having presided over the burial of the good name of Vice Grips.

My only wish is that I could tell you they were made in Dewitt, Nebraska.

http://www.import-automotive-tools.com/pdf_files/hazet_07.pdf

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_nu35IiPOyWY/SaJcaHf56GI/AAAAAAAAA_Q/TGcqhWZEXdQ/Hazet%20Locking%20Plliers_03.png

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_nu35IiPOyWY/SaJcaKZKXFI/AAAAAAAAA_I/tlaFx3BsJw8/s720/Hazet%20Locking%20Plliers_05.png

NC

lbgradwell
02-23-2009, 08:25 AM
Nuge,

I too share your lament for the great name of Vise-Grip. I have stocked up on old Petersen versions of this classic tool...

Sadly, though, those Hazets are merely re-badged LockJaw (http://www.lockjawpliers.com/home.html) pliers! LockJaw is a subsidiary of C.H. Hanson - an Illinois-based company.

Now, I can't say with certainty where the majority of C.H. Hanson products are manufactured, but I can definitely say that I've never seen an example of those LockJaws that are made anywhere other than Taiwan! LockJaws are made in Canada for Home Hardware's house brand "Benchmark", while Home Depot carries the original product.

So, if you were misled into believing that Hazet makes those tools themselves in Germany, I regret that is not the case. In fact, C.H. Hanson is doing the exact same thing as Irwin; for that matter, they have been doing it longer and may have been a contributing factor in Irwin's decision to go offshore...:(

Returning from my long-winded aside: here for your consideration my fellow Garage Journal members is some info on an alternative to the IRWIN brand of LOCKING PLIERS*.

(*) As the IRWIN brand itself is in my opinion properly called, what with IRWIN having presided over the burial of the good name of Vice Grips.

My only wish is that I could tell you they were made in Dewitt, Nebraska.

http://www.import-automotive-tools.com/pdf_files/hazet_07.pdf

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_nu35IiPOyWY/SaJcaHf56GI/AAAAAAAAA_Q/TGcqhWZEXdQ/Hazet%20Locking%20Plliers_03.png


NC

Delray
02-23-2009, 08:29 AM
http://www.usstuff.com/tools.htm You may find this link interesting. Crescent sells locking pliers that may still be made here.

lbgradwell
02-23-2009, 09:13 AM
No, I don't believe the Crescents have been USA for many years...

caper
02-23-2009, 09:29 AM
I've got my own little stockpile of original vise grips going on,keep adding to it whenever I see them cheap at yard sales and flea markets:http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo120/caper_04/P1020601.jpg

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo120/caper_04/P1020606.jpg

Last count was around thirty pairs,only about 5 are welding clamps.I don't think I have to worry about buying Imports for awhile.:pimpflash

kythri
02-23-2009, 09:35 AM
I'm confused...

As of just a couple months ago, ViseGrips still had little USA marks on them when I looked over at Home Depot.

(ETA: http://www.beatricedailysun.com/articles/2008/09/07/news/local/doc48bea05c2aba7153670734.txt - Stuff that I saw must have still been in the supply chain...)

I'm also not sure I understand the logic of boycotting Irwin because they've gone overseas, and choosing, instead, to buy another imported product because of this.

caper
02-23-2009, 09:45 AM
I'm confused...

As of just a couple months ago, ViseGrips still had little USA marks on them when I looked over at Home Depot.

(ETA: http://www.beatricedailysun.com/articles/2008/09/07/news/local/doc48bea05c2aba7153670734.txt - Stuff that I saw must have still been in the supply chain...)


There are still some marked made in USA at my Home depot but if you look at them the quality of the older ones just isn't there.The quality of materials and finish is the same as those marked made in usa with global components.Makes me wonder if they really are made in usa or just branded that way,the stamping looks like it was done as an afterthought.:headscrat

Delray
02-23-2009, 09:54 AM
Sears has a 3 piece set on sale for 29.99 http://beta.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00945713000P?vName=Tools&cName=Mechanics+Tools&sName=Pliers

Mezzanine
02-23-2009, 10:32 AM
I found a set of these at the local quirky hardware shop (Hardwicks in Seattle)- they have some quality used stuff from time to time.

http://toolmonger.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/post-skpliers2.jpg

This was years ago right when Facom started selling in the US. They were listed as used, but they were in perfect as-new condition. I think I paid $12 for them.
:bounce:

Best locking pliers I have ever used. Major clamping power, easy trigger release. I should post a pic of them- they look very well loved (used) now!

C

1320stang
02-23-2009, 10:53 AM
Does anyone else but me find it amusing that the OP laments Irwin for "cut hard working Americans off at the knees" then promotes a German company and even references their tool as being "The Panzer Tank of Vice Grips"....

The Germans lost that war.... didn't they? As well as the one previous to it as I recall..... :D

ourkid2000
02-23-2009, 11:19 AM
Grip-on pliers are fantastic..........I believe they're made in Spain but the quality is top notch.

garfunkle24
02-23-2009, 11:54 AM
Grip-on pliers are fantastic..........I believe they're made in Spain but the quality is top notch.

Grip-ons FTW: :thumbup:
http://photos-a.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-snc1/v2462/141/74/625182002/n625182002_1974552_205.jpg

kythri
02-23-2009, 01:25 PM
Does anyone else but me find it amusing that the OP laments Irwin for "cut hard working Americans off at the knees" then promotes a German company and even references their tool as being "The Panzer Tank of Vice Grips"....

The Germans lost that war.... didn't they? As well as the one previous to it as I recall..... :D

Hence my confusion...:headscrat

Bo Heck
02-23-2009, 01:59 PM
Grip-on pliers are fantastic..........I believe they're made in Spain but the quality is top notch.

Where do you buy these from (in the US)? I know Snap-on put their name on them, but I was wondering if there was another cheaper source?