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Amps needed in new workshop - moved from A/C&Heat forum

Charles (in GA)

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David, aka RTcat posted this in a discussion on barrel stoves on the A/C and Heat forum. I thought I'd repost it here so he could get an audience. Hope you don't mind David

I recently had a Cleary building (pole barn) put up and am trying to decide how to handle the electrical. Eventually I'll section off a part of the shed for a dedicated workshop. Basic items such as woodworking tools, air compressor, welder, table saw, etc along with lights will be the main use of the ele.

99% of the time it will just be me in the workshop enjoying quality garage time so only one tool will be in use at a time.

My two basic options are:

#1 Tap into the 200 amp service in the house and run a 100 amp out to the shed.

#2 Remove the 200 amp socket at the house and replace with a 300 amp socket and run 100 amp to the shed.

Ignoring the difference in cost of the above two options, is #2 overkill?

Basically I'm wondering how many amps the shed will draw. What kind of electrical set up do you guys with separate standing workshops have?

Thanks,
David

I'm going to throw in my two bits here.

Some of which way you go depends on how you are presently equipped in the house, wiring wise, what your local inspectors will demand of you, and if you can be without power for some period of time in the house.

IN MY AREA, and this is true of most places with building inspection, if you want to replace the meter socket, you will have to bring the service entrance feed from the meter socket into the house up to CURRENT code, if it is not already. Most local codes now demand an outside disconnect (for the fire dept) and then you have to run a four wire feed into the main panel inside (hot,hot, netural,ground) and have an isolated netural/ground bars in the panel.

If you are not already equipped with the above installation, you will be faced with a huge expense and some amount of time without power in the house while you do this changeover. If you already have a disconnect and four wire feeds, its possible to get a permit, get the power co to pull the power, replace the meter socket, add a second disconnect and the new feed to the shop, and have the power co reconnect (after building inspection OK) all in a reasonable amount of time.

If your shop is a fairly low draw, or one person use anyhow, you probably should consider simply tapping off the main panel with a 100 amp or less feed and running it to the shop, observing all facets of the NEC for the type of wire, grounding, etc of the installation. Some of this hinges on accessability of your panel in your house and the distance you will need to run, up down, under and around in the house and outside to the shop.


I needed a 200 amp panel in my shop and faced with replacing the meter socket, installing dual outside disconnects, service entrance in the house, new panel in the house and some amount of rewiring associated with this, plus a new heavier underground feed from the transformer, I opted for a second meter. Cost is a little more in the long run, but I also have a second power source if I need to shut off the house and work on a electrical project or shut off the shop and work on it as an elect project.. 12 gauge extension cords work wonders in an emergency.

Charles
 
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imported_banzaitoyota

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I cheated, I had another service drop put on the property.

I installed a 200Amp Mobile Home Power PAnel/Meter Base outside the shop.

then I just run a series of subpanels where I need them
 

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If only one tool is in use at a time, then why the need at all for extra power?

I have done quite a bit in my detached garage with a single 20A feed from the house.
 

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danski0224 said:
If only one tool is in use at a time, then why the need at all for extra power?

I have done quite a bit in my detached garage with a single 20A feed from the house.

the 3 pahse 7.5HP motor for the dyno draws 3X that.
i also like working in LIGHT :) :rocker:
 
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Well then, I suppose "one tool at a time" needs some definition.

Almost all of my tools function just fine on a single 120v 20A circuit.

A 220v extension cord takes care of the rest when needed.

Admittedly, a nice 200A service and dedicated outlets would be nice, but there is the budget thing. If I do anything, a second meter is real appealing.

Changing the house to 200A would involve major concrete repair (driveway), so a second service to the garage would be more economical.
 

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banzaitoyota said:
the 3 pahse 7.5HP motor for the dyno draws 3X that.
i also like working in LIGHT :) :rocker:

It better not, a 7.5 hp 3 phase motor should draw 22 fla at 230 volts

William...
 
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