What's your Toptul wish list?

[Merkava_4]

I'm curious as to what's spinning around in your head. :D

Which Toptul's have you been thinking about getting or would like to?

[nissan_crawler]

welding and sheet metal locking pliers.

[Merkava_4]

Anybody else? :confused:

[jshillin]

I already have some Toptul, 4 ratchets, every wobble extension and 4 rails of sockets, BUT I want more. I would like to try out the impact sockets and the long combination wrenches.

[posaune]

I have a bunch of locking extensions coming, impact and regular. I also have a 24in breaker to give a try, some extra long combination wrenches, and every universal socket they make. Oh, and I think some wobble extensions will make it here too.

The other things on my first wishlist were the 75 degree offset wrenches, but Mike doesn't have them yet. Unfortunately (for my wallet), I found out that there is a second set of those with the big sizes now, so that is also going to be on my next order...

[Stuey]

Maybe sheet metal locking poliers and roto-ratchet style swivel ratchet.

[66HertzClone]

My order :)

[Merkava_4]

My order :)

And your order would consist of what? :D

[The Muffin Man]

Extra long wrench sets both metric and SAE. A few open end wrenches as well to help complete a set. I'm also going to have to try a socket set or two.

[caper]

Nothing comes to mind.

[ImportTuner]

Come on Vance, you must want something from Toptul :)

[GT89mustang]

I might try one of their 3/8 flex ratchets, gotta see what mike charges for shipping.

I want one in 1/2 in as well but the dont see to make one without the plastic handle.

[r0meyrome]

I pretty much got a complete set of Toptul:
:thumbup:

-6 Ratchets (3 Swivel head)
-3 Sets of Deep
-3 Sets of Shallow
-1 Set of Flex
-19pc Combo
-10 pc Stubby
-3 Impact Lug Nut Sockets
-Extension Drives
-1/2 Breaker
-3/8 Breaker

What Im still wanting/needing.

-Flex head Ratchets
-Female Torx Socket Set
-Drive Bits
-Hook/Pick Set.

[Nova72]

im wanting to try:

3/8 swivel head ratchet (love my snappy)
some shallow and deep sockets to fill up the hansen trays my craftsmen set did not.
go through impact screw drivers
few extensions, mostly 3/8 to start

if they stuff goes well i will look to them for more 1/2 and 1/4 stuff. and possibly the 15 degree offset reversible ratcheting wrenches, but its gonna be hard for them to beat craftsmans price.

[66HertzClone]

And your order would consist of what? :D

I actually can't remember and lost some files when my computer crashed. But, I know I ordered the wire crimping kit, various 3/8 drive extensions, 1/4 drive 12 pnt shallow and deep fractional and metric sockets, the file set, metric ratcheting wrenches, an impact socket set, and I think a metric flared nut wrench set. I already have a 1/4 and 3/8 drive fine tooth ratchets which have become my "go to" ratchets.

[milkovich]

I don't get it. Is there a sale or something going on?

[66HertzClone]

I don't get it. Is there a sale or something going on?

There was, an order placed before the end of the year was at a lower price than currently available. So we've been waiting since then for our wish list shipment.

[milkovich]

2008? ...Wow.

I'm just going to keep my mouth shut then, all my junk is standard and whitworth anyways.

[wrenhandtools]

speaking of waiting...I'll be working the long weekend and should be caught up by Tuesday of next week with the wish lists.

This also means if I get a new inquiry I will respond but put them off until the lists are are done. It's only fair since you all have been waiting and not really yelling at me.....yet!

[Joelfke]

i got a nice set of 1/2 drive sockets to fill out what craftsman didnt give me on the mechanics set with...

i also want a full set of shallow and deep 3/8 impact sockets...

but they will wait until A) i have money and B) mike is done with the other orders

[Old Donn]

Interesting how many hardcore "Buy American" guys are enamored with Toptul. This IS NOT a shot at anyone here or the brand, merely an observation.

[trackwelder]

Interesting how many hardcore "Buy American" guys are enamored with Toptul. This IS NOT a shot at anyone here or the brand, merely an observation.

Because people want cheap goods...nothing in my wishlist. I buy
American tools when ever I can, and then usually used.

[wrenchr]

Nothing comes to mind.

Same here, been there done that nothing special.:beer:

[Blacknwhitepit]

I would like to get this to organize my sockets. I have quite a few and I would like to get them better organized. I even like the green.

I like the bottom one the best:

http://www.wrenhandtools.com/img/tool_storage/socket-storage-specs.jpg



-BWP

[Hiball]

Interesting how many hardcore "Buy American" guys are enamored with Toptul. This IS NOT a shot at anyone here or the brand, merely an observation.

Whats even more amazing is how some people jump all over foreign made tools but 75% of the goods we buy everyday from clothes to food is from overseas. This is not a knock on any of the die hard truck tool guys but if you actually break down what your buying everyday it would make you sad inside. Its impossible in todays age to buy strictly "MADE in THE USA" Period. There is so much trickery in items that are stamped made in the usa its unreal, Example Hein Werner Lifting equipment, It may say Made in the Usa on there website but when the check gets cut it has Shinn fu on it. Does Toyota trucks that are assembled in Princeton Indiana by U.A.W workers Make them completely Foreign? All im saying is that its not always cut and dry and im sure there is money that goes overseas when Snap on, Mac tools are sold. Somewhere... Somehow... Somebody who doesent speak english is getting paid for your purchases. Just because you pay 500 dollars for a 1/2 drive socket set doesnt mean 500 dollars is going into America's bank account. I own just about every brand of tool and in these trying times when i need a tool im gonna do whats best for me in the long run.

[Merkava_4]

Come on Vance, you must want something from Toptul :)

Their sockets look magnificent; to say the least. :)

[-B-]

Their sockets look magnificent; to say the least. :)



Looks and working are two differing things looks do not matter. Judging by another thread with actual measurements of just a 14mm socket they are on par with every other piece of cheap Pacific Rim tool quality. ( junk at best)

[Merkava_4]

Looks and working are two differing things looks do not matter. Judging by another thread with actual measurements of just a 14mm socket they are on par with every other piece of cheap Pacific Rim tool quality. ( junk at best)

You gotta bad attitude man. :lol:

[JeepsAreBuilt]

I want to try their body dollies.. some interesting shapes..

[wrenhandtools]

funny, the people who are super critical don't have the tool in their hands. I mean to not like a tool made in Taiwan is completely understandable to me. I get it.
But to not have the tool, and then make the comment that it is comparable to 'junk' from the pacific rim.....makes me think someone is insecure. Also I wonder if this person has the same attitude towards Shimano or Campy???
Just curious.

By the way, I think this forum and the members rock....even the super crtitical members.

Sincerely,

[autoace]

I want a full set of the pre set torque wrenches for wheel lugs.:)

I have put myself on a tool buying freeze for now, so all wants have to wait.:(

[Merkava_4]

I have put myself on a tool buying freeze for now, so all wants have to wait.:(

I'm gonna be starting a special thread just for your wish list only. :D

[Chris Adams]

Looks and working are two differing things looks do not matter. Judging by another thread with actual measurements of just a 14mm socket they are on par with every other piece of cheap Pacific Rim tool quality. ( junk at best)

BS
Been using them hard for almost a year now.
They are good sockets.
I have cheap Taiwan stuff from HF, Craftsman, Matco, Snap-on Easco, Cornwell, vintage Thorsen, etc. etc. etc.

The TopTul is among the best, finish, sizing, strength.
I have not broken one yet.
This year I have broken one Craftsman, and wore the finish off others.
I have also wore the finish off the HF ones I use in wrecking yards.

Which, by the way, hold up better than the Craftsman sockets, even though they cost about 40 cents a socket.
Thickness of metal is not the main criteria of strength, I’m afraid. The super thin Taiwan HF sockets are way sturdier than many of my much thicker sockets.
The TopTul hasn’t even started to peel chrome, round out in the drive end or chip, unlike most my much more expensive sockets do.

[plinker]

I'm waiting on my order yet, I've got some misc bit sockets and some 3/4 drive stuff and a couple of wrenches coming.



I own just about every brand of tool and in these trying times when i need a tool im gonna do whats best for me in the long run
+1

[ratchet_gear]

If the quality is as good as everyone says it is I would not mind getting my hands on one of these.

The ¾ inch drive ratchet that has 43 teeth, model number CHFS2451. If he has the current price list on there, $39 is not bad at all. Since I am addicted to ratchets this might be one of those tools I might never need but is good to have just in case.:bounce:

[Nova72]

a new Taiwanese tool does much for the us economy than a used US made tool.

lets assume the international freight shipping company isn't american, and doesn't employee a US crew, but this is possible.

the dock's are all manned by US long shoreman. They get dropped on trucks driven by US citizens. and then mike (and his emplyees?) get some money.

compared to a crazy old guy who gets two bucks to get a budlight tallboy on the way home, but atleast the beer is US made and grown, so its debateable.

[FNFS2000]

Nothing, nothing, and nothing. I buy American or German, not taiwanese

[tw33k2514]

I really don't understand the hardcore American only guys on this forum......

As long as the tool is of good quality, I could care less where it is from.

But, as someone once said, "different strokes for different folks."

[Hiball]

Nothing, nothing, and nothing. I buy American or German, not taiwanese

Check the tag on your underwear, or your shoes, hell the computer your using to browse this forum. I only buy american sounds Great but is Impossible in all aspects of life PERIOD. Dont get me wrong i sympathise with your loyalty to certain tool manufacturers or country of origin. Me myself i try and spread the wealth around i buy alot of my House remodeling material from the Mom and Pop hardware stores and almost all my groceries from the locally owned stores instead of the superwalmarts etc.. its my way of feeling like im making a difference which is also why as long as the workmanship is there im gonna spend some money with Mike from Spokane, Wa, Yes he is selling toptul tools but he's not doing it for free, so money out of my pocket into his is generating cash flow some where down the line for America. My 2 cents Im not judging anybodys values or how or what they spend there money on. It is in fact there money.

[Old Donn]

Concensus of opinion here is Toptul is a quality product at a reasonable price, equal to or better than Craftsman. Some even claim they approach tool truck quality. What if Toptul or some other Pacific Rim concern were to kick it up a few notches, use better materials, tighten up their specs, tolerances and quality control. If they were able to make a tool equal to Snap-on, ( Not just hearsay, actually tested & verified by experts), for less money, would anybody change their mind?

[olds394]

I don't wish for any Toptul but I have to believe they're great for the money. It's real easy for me to encourage someone to only buy USA when I don't have a family to feed and I make union wages. So I'm done with that. I can't tell some guy starting out with a wife and kid making $15 an hour what to buy. I'll end this by quoting Merkava 4 who posted "Buy the best tools you can afford". It's so simple it's brilliant.

[Joelfke]

Concensus of opinion here is Toptul is a quality product at a reasonable price, equal to or better than Craftsman. Some even claim they approach tool truck quality. What if Toptul or some other Pacific Rim concern were to kick it up a few notches, use better materials, tighten up their specs, tolerances and quality control. If they were able to make a tool equal to Snap-on, ( Not just hearsay, actually tested & verified by experts), for less money, would anybody change their mind?

im not in this business to buy more tools...im in it to make money...toptul lets me do that...IMHO they are better than cman and do indeed border the truck brands...for the money im paying for toptul it is beyond what i expected and is excellent quality...i use this stuff every day at work in a chevy dealer

[-B-]

funny, the people who are super critical don't have the tool in their hands. I mean to not like a tool made in Taiwan is completely understandable to me. I get it.
But to not have the tool, and then make the comment that it is comparable to 'junk' from the pacific rim.....makes me think someone is insecure. Also I wonder if this person has the same attitude towards Shimano or Campy???
Just curious.

By the way, I think this forum and the members rock....even the super crtitical members.

Sincerely,



Do not be such a weak individual quote what you want to pick apart. Whet the fit tolerance is double that of a CM tool yes it is Pacific Rim junk. This is what they are know for when you only ask for a low price point.


Cheap Pacific Rim parts have yet again forced a recall for several major manufactures ( really contractors) of Bicycles again. http://www.bicycleretailer.com/news/59.html

[trackwelder]

im not in this business to buy more tools...im in it to make money...toptul lets me do that...IMHO they are better than cman and do indeed border the truck brands...for the money im paying for toptul it is beyond what i expected and is excellent quality...i use this stuff every day at work in a chevy dealer

Just wondering what will you do when a tool breaks that you really need?
Its not like the toptul truck will pull in next week and hand you a replacement.

Hiball, most of us are aware that our computers, clothes, and many other daily items are made ourseas...I don't just accept it and move on. If given a chance I will buy american made by american companies whenever I can. I am all for supporting america :fingersx: the imports.

[Hiball]

Hiball, most of us are aware that our computers, clothes, and many other daily items are made ourseas...I don't just accept it and move on. If given a chance I will buy american made by american companies whenever I can. I am all for supporting america :fingersx: the imports.

I didnt ask you to accept it, Truth is that Sole american companies That build 100% American made items are few and far between. I too try and purchase american made Cars, (There not 100% american btw), and American made Items when i can along with supporting the small business man, Which in this case is Wren tools. To say :fawk:the imports isnt the right answer either for me. Hell my union paycheck is brought to me by servicing the likes of Toyota, Hyundai along with Ford and Gm, Chrysler. By your title "Trackwelder" im guessing your also in the Railroad bussiness. (could be wrong)

[Hiball]

. Whet the fit tolerance is double that of a CM tool yes it is Pacific Rim junk. This is what they are know for when you only ask for a low price point.

Just curious is your observations of Tolerance levels based on Toptul tools or your general opinion of Oversease tools and there price?

[r0meyrome]

I feel like anytime Toptul or X brand is brought up to this board we simply cannot have a decent thread. Its always someone trying to stir up the subject to something else. How does a wish list turn into "I only buy American..." etc. If you don't have a wish list or anything that is relevant to the thread. Just leave it alone. Its nonstop bashing on any tool brands around here.

[trackwelder]

I feel like anytime Toptul or X brand is brought up to this board we simply cannot have a decent thread. Its always someone trying to stir up the subject to something else. How does a wish list turn into "I only buy American..." etc. If you don't have a wish list or anything that is relevant to the thread. Just leave it alone. Its nonstop bashing on any tool brands around here.

Ya...ahh good luck with that:)

[Elroy]

The correct phrase is Top Stool. As is steaming stool.

When Elroy reviewed

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36504

He found it as true entertainment.

There is more to a sockets performance than polished chrome. Note the tight fit of the Snappy.

Put those sockets in a torque test and watch that hot broached Snap-on demonstrate its true worth by kicking those other POS sockets ass.

Yep, Top-Stool needs to be flushed.

Then again that's just Elroy opinion. Your stool may have a different odor. :lol_hitti

[Merkava_4]

How does a wish list turn into "I only buy American..." etc. If you don't have a wish list or anything that is relevant to the thread. Just leave it alone. Its nonstop bashing on any tool brands around here.

At least it brings the hardcore Buy American dudes out of the woodwork. I used to think I was the only one who thought like that. :D

[Chris Adams]

The correct phrase is Top Stool. As is steaming stool.

When Elroy reviewed

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36504

He found it as true entertainment.

There is more to a sockets performance than polished chrome. Note the tight fit of the Snappy.

Put those sockets in a torque test and watch that hot broached Snap-on demonstrate its true worth by kicking those other POS sockets ass.

Yep, Top-Stool needs to be flushed.

Then again that's just Elroy opinion. Your stool may have a different odor. :lol_hitti



I just miked a slew of my sockets.
The tightest were some cheap import stuff, No name, heavy stuff got them at a swap meet. You have to force the sockets on the drive with some muscle.
When your hands are greasy you can't get them off, just like some of my Snap-on.

The loosest were American made Matco. Downright sloppy.
This was of the five Matco sockets I tried. They are about 12 years old, but seldom used.

Craftsman was all over the map, some tied with Matco, some a tad looser, no consistency.
These are new ones.
My old ones from 1985 are very tight, even though they have been used a lot. These are the old anti-roll sockets.

TopTul were all about the same, allowing for old shaky hands.
Oh, yeah, my Snap-on were mostly out of round, but then they are older, from the 90's, been used a bit, so it wasn’t fair to compare them. Some were loose, some were tight. Been used by one of my buddies who is hard on tools, he’s the one keeps breaking my Craftsman sockets, ratchets. Still hasn’t broken a TopTul, but I have expectations.
He’s the kind of guy that doesn’t see the reason for using a 1 /2 ratchet when you can just yank harder on a 3/8.
He also breaks a lot of my Snap-on, but he gets it replaced when he does.

[olds394]

In response to the OP I'd like to use a Toptul socket to judge the feel, because I'm curious, before I'd ever buy. But I think what we have on this board is professional mechanics and do it yourselfers arguing about what's the best product. I think they each have different needs. Now we have Crapsman and Topstool being thrown around which may or may not be ironic. Buy what makes you feel good. If I ever feel good about buying Toptul I'll buy some. Don't wait up though.:beer:

[-B-]

The correct phrase is Top Stool. As is steaming stool.

When Elroy reviewed

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36504

He found it as true entertainment.

There is more to a sockets performance than polished chrome. Note the tight fit of the Snappy.

Put those sockets in a torque test and watch that hot broached Snap-on demonstrate its true worth by kicking those other POS sockets ass.

Yep, Top-Stool needs to be flushed.

Then again that's just Elroy opinion. Your stool may have a different odor. :lol_hitti

+1

I am a precision mechanic tools must fit correctly no mater what country of origin they are from. My tool boxes have tools sourced from all over the world because of their high quality not country of origin. Sloppy fitting sockets are not only a danger to the fastener but to you the user too.

[Snappy]

Because people want cheap goods...nothing in my wishlist. I buy
American tools when ever I can, and then usually used.

I will 2nd that :thumbup:

[Joelfke]

Just wondering what will you do when a tool breaks that you really need?
Its not like the toptul truck will pull in next week and hand you a replacement.


for the most part...the things ive purchased from toptul are sockets and wrenches...nothing i cant pick up at sears at WORST case scenario...

ive heard of truck brands coming in and NOT replaceing broken sockets and such saying they were abused... now what? your in the same boat...i could send it back to the manufacturer if mike doesnt replace

mike has openly said he would replace anything im not happy with...guess what...im still happy with everything

[Freakazooid52]

my wishlist is some of those dynamic stubby wrenches, they look very helpful. '

I still wonder how much spead the open head will have with that design.

[Old Donn]

I feel like anytime Toptul or X brand is brought up to this board we simply cannot have a decent thread. Its always someone trying to stir up the subject to something else. How does a wish list turn into "I only buy American..." etc. If you don't have a wish list or anything that is relevant to the thread. Just leave it alone. Its nonstop bashing on any tool brands around here.

It might seem that way, and I agree this thread's gotten off point, but indulge me for a second. Guess I don't get out much, but I never heard of Toptul before I found this website. Before I start throwing down for more tools, I'd like as much info, pro or con, as I can get. Then I'll think about a wish list.

[supraman1990]

GPAF1002--------21-Midget combo wrench-15 degree offset

GPAQ0501-------24-Flare nut wrench set

GAAD1204-------25-Reversible gear wrenches

AEAT1313-------25-Open ended wratcheting wrench-13mm

AMAA2920------32-8" adjustable wrench

AMAA3830------32-12" adjustable wrench

ANAG1625-------33-1/2" drive torque wrench 50-250ft lb

ANAG1225-------33-38' torqe wrench 40-250 in. lb

GAAQ3704-------36-1/4, 3/8, 1/2 6pt socket rail set

GAAQ3703-------36-1/4, 3/8, 1/2 deep 6pt rail set

GAAQ1312-------37-3/8 12pt rail set

GAAQ1102-------37-1/2 12 pt rail set

GAAQ1313-------38-3/8 12pt deep rail set

GAAR1402-------38-1/4, 3/8, 1/2 star socket rail set

CAEA0812-------39-1/4 to 3/8 adapter

CAEA1208-------39-3/8 to 1/4 adapter

CAEA1216-------39-3/8 to 1/2 adapter

CAEA1612-------39-1/2 to 3/8 adapter

CAQA1255-------39-3/8 ratchet unit

CAQA1660-------39-1/2 ratchet unit

GAAG0804-------41-3/8 star bit socket rail set

GAAG0702-------41-3/8 hex bit socket rail set

CJBT0816---------42-1/4 gearless ratchet

CJBT1220---------42-3/8 gearless ratchet

CJBT1627---------42-1/2 gearless ratchet

CJBG0815---------42-1/4 reversible handle-36 tooth

CJRG1220--------42-3/8 reversible handle-36 tooth

CJBG1627--------42-1/2 reversible handle-36 tooth

CJBM0815--------43-1/4 reverible handle-72 tooth

CJBM1220--------43-3/8 reversible handle-72 tooth

CJBM1627--------43-1/2 reversible handle-72 tooth

CADC1238-------44-3/8 speed brace

CADC1642-------44-1/2 spped brace

CAAH0804-------45-1/4 extension-4 inch

CAAH0809-------45-1/4 extension-9 inch

CAAH1203-------45-3/8 extension-3 inch

CAAH1206-------45-3/8 extension-6 inch

CAAH1209-------45-3/8 extension-9 inch

CAAH1605-------45-1/2 extension-5 inch

CAAH1610-------45-1/2 extension-10 inch

CAAJ1615-------45-1/2 extension-15 inch

CAAJ1624-------45-1/2 extension-24 inch

GCAL9401------55-58 piece pro screwdriver and bit set

GDAD1002-------59-1/2 deep impact set

GDAD1807-------59-1/2 impact set

KAAF1205-------61-3/8 air ratchet

KAAF1605-------61-1/2 air ratchet

KAAA1660-------61-1/2 impact

FTEA0806-------71-reversible ratchet screwdriver

DBAB2206-------75-6in. combination pliers

DFAB2206-------75-6in. long nose pliers

DFAB2208-------75-8in. log nose pliers

DHAA1206-------75-6in slip joint pliers

DHAA1208-------75-8in slip joint pliers

DDAA1210-------75-water pump pliers

DCAB1205-------75-straight external snap ring pliers-5in

DCAB1207-------75-straight external snap ring pliers-7in

DCAD1205-------75-straight internal snap ring pliers-5in

DCAD1207-------75-Straight internal snap ring pliers-7in

DAAR1A07-------78-strait jaw locking pliers-7in

DAAU1A11------78-c clamp locking pliers-standard tip

HAAB1038-------80-dead blow hammer

HAAD1633-------80-claw hammer

JEAB0330-------88-Fork type ball joint separator

JEAC0137-------88-coil spring compressor set

JDAL0133-------88-brake spring pliers

JGAL1801-------88- Caliper wind back tool set

JGAL1601-------89-Auto cup type filter wrench set

JDAK0132-------90-seal puller

JDAN0143------90- valve spring compressor

JJAL0206-------95-2 jaw gear puller-6in

JJAL0306-------95-3 jaw puller-6in

JJAL0312-------95-3 jaw puller-12 in

GAAL0601-------95-ratchet crimping tool

IAAB2508-------96-Measuring tape-28 ft.

JJAF2414-------95-Magnetic tray

JGAT0402-------96-mechanics pry bar set

GAAL0402-------96-Nut splitter set

JGAW0501-------97-5pc screw extractor set

JJAM0144-------97-Telescoping inspection mirror

SAAA3013-------95-hack saw-12in.

JJAG3E63-------95-magnetic pickup tool-telescoping

JJAD1423-------95-magnetic flexible handle


Is that comprehensive enough? I'm a toptul guy, was turned on to them when the less than stellar distributor was located very close to me in Charlotte. I now own over 1K in Toptul tools, and am getting ready to seriously expand. Just purchased some close-out inventory from another distributor that I knew of in the US, so Mike is the ONLY guy I will be dealing with from now on. Anyone that hasn't tried Toptul, don't knock it. I work with Snap-off every single day in class at UTI, and I MUCH prefer my Toptul stuff. In over 3 years of highly abusive use, all I've managed to do is break off a few ratchet selectors from abuse, and break collars off of some of the locking extensions, but I believe they have been redesigned now, so they shouldn't be as troublesome. As far as finish, I'm king of over-exerting my tools. Up until a few months ago, I owned all mirror finish Toptul stuff. I am here to tell you that it hasn't flaked at ALL, still is as shiny as day 1, and has showed no signs of cracking, even after a few of them having a meeting with the impact wrench. Now, judging by the mostly adult age range of this board, I'd think you pessimists could keep your negative opinions to your self, but apparently not. This tread was started in my belief to see what everyone was going to buy, not another import vs. domestic shit list. Do you actually believe that Snap-on makes all those tools? Maybe in the 80's but this is now. Imports can and are better than domestic, need I mention the name Toyota? The import vs. domestic battle has been raging since import cars first came, and it still goes to this day. So it isn't everyone's cup of tea, who cares? Shut up if you don't have something positive to say, and the world will be a much better place. Now, if you aren't posting to say what Toptul tools you wish to buy, I have a novel concept, don't post. /rant.