Moose Explains - Changing Spark Plugs!

[Moose-LandTran]

Howdy, Folks!

Welcome to the first installment of "Moose Explains", well more of a pilot really. Just a little something to help any novices who might be interested, or for anyone to read for whatever reason that appeals to them, or even just for a laugh! :)

We'll start off with something basic, because you gotta start somewhere, right? Today we'll cover Spark Plugs, an integral part to any vehicle service or tune-up.

The first step is to remove the HT leads, if you car has them, i'll cover on-plug coil packs in a follow-up stortly. These may be a little hard to remove, but be careful not to damage them! For this i used some Knipex grabber pliers to help pull them off without problems.
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Next, we need to choose the right spark plug socket. In this case they need a 16mm (5/8") socket, but others may use a 14mm (9/16"), 18mm, 3/4" (19mm), 21mm (13/16"), or 7/8" (22mm). This Snap-on socket, like most other sockets for this application, mine has a rubber insert to hold the plug.
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Next we'll remove the old spark plug, they're nice and accessible on this old Mercedes-Benz 4-cylinder, so i only needed a single extension on my ratchet. Depending on your application may need another combination. Remember that pulling on the ratchet is easier and reduces the risk of hurting yourself, like busted knuckles if you slip, or if the plug suddenly gives way!
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Inspect the old plug, this one has definitely "had it" and needed to be changed, checking the plug can often help you determine any problems your engine may have. The only place for this old plug is in the trash!
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Nice new spark plugs! Your owner's manual will tell you which plugs are right for your engine, a good reliable parts store can also help you locating the correct plugs. If in doubt as to which to buy get a second opinion, it never hurts to be sure! Better safe than sorry, right?
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The packaging of the new plugs can be a source of valuable information, in this case it lists both tightening torque and electrode gap. Again, if in doubt get a second opinion. An owner's manual, or suitable Haynes/Bentley manual will also contain this info. It is important!
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Now we're going to gap the plugs, just to be sure. Bosch have kindly told us that the gap for these plugs is 0.8mm, check with a feeler gauge. The fit should be tight, but not excessively. An incorrectly gapped plug can cause running problems, and we don't want that, do we?
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Mount the shiny new plug in the socket, make sure the rubber holds it in nice and tight, we don't want to drop it!
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Thread it in the hole by hand, i always make two turns backwards (anti-clockwise) so i feel the threads "click", this ensures no cross threading, which could be distasterous, and it's so simple to avoid.
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As well as the spark plug gap, Bosch have kidly informed us that this plug needs to be tightened to 20nm, we'll use a torque wrench to ensure the correct torque is reached and not exceeded. I'm going to use my trusty Norbar SL1 for this.
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On this particluar torque wrench, the torque is set by pulling down the collar on the bottom, and turning until you reach the desired torque on the scale. (20nm for this case.) The push the collar back up to avoid accidental changing of the torque setting.
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This torque wrench is 1/2" drive, whereas my spark plug socket is 3/8" drive, here i'm attaching the socket using a step-down adapter.
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Put the socket on the new spark and pull on the torque wrench until it clicks, don't pull it any further after it clicks! The click tells you the correct torque has been reached.
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Reattach the HT leads, push them until they "click" on to the end of the spark plug. Make sure they engage properly.
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A job well done! And not a single problem either, how good is that? But there's still one more thing to do, clean all your tools and put them back in their place, so nothing gets lost and you can find them easily for next time.
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Hope you all enjoyed!
-Moose.

[krehmkej]

Thanks, Moose!

[Monte]

cool photo story !! :D :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

[Joelfke]

awesome

cant wait for more!

also quite cute with the little moose

[35mastr]

You have way too much time on your hands.

[raccoon]

JR! ♥
yayyy ! :)

[raccoon]

I sooooooo didnt read what was written by the way...

[ImportTuner]

Very cute yet informative for the novice .. :)

[rhandwor]

Nice pictures do you use anti seize on the plug threads?

[Diesel_Crawler]

Very nice,

Also you should do a retake of your box and post it up, The "let's see your tool box" thread could use the meat..I mean material.

[jay50]

Hope your second series of show and tell is more complete as you forgot two steps in changing plugs that are considered standard practice when changing those plugs:

1. Use air to blow away loose dirt, etc around the plugs before removing plugs.
2. Before reattaching the plug boots to the new plug; smear a small amount of dielectric grease inside the boot area.

:thumbup:

[superautobacs]

Nice how-to demonstration by your mascot! :thumbup:

[toolnut]

Does that moose have it's rabies shots????

[A_Pmech]

LOL! This is great!

Love the pics!

:thumbup:

[bennyy]

Very nice writeup. :)

[toolnut]

You forgot to explain how to open the hood.....that's first!

[JohnK007]

Very imaginative and informative. Well done!!

[Moose-LandTran]

You have way too much time on your hands.

Well, actuall i don't. I've spent the last 3 weeks rebuilding a Mk II VW Golf and an '84 Mercedes-Benz 230E (the one in this writeup). It's a shame that's all you could come up with. This was just meant to be a light-hearted semi-infromative kind of thing, a break from anything serious. I just thought everyone might get a kick out of seeing "me" working and teaching.

Relax dude, it's only a joke! :beer:

Thanks for all the kind words, guys. I'm glad you enjoyed it.


Jay, you're completely right, they slipped my mind, unfortunately i have neither a blow gun nor dielectric grease here. :(

[walrus]

In Maine, Mooses and cars don't get along very well, you sure you didn't pour some sand in that engine??:bounce:

[SpiderGearsMan]

at general motors - the platinum spark plugs are good for 100,000 miles
we very rarely change plugs

[Joelfke]

at general motors - the platinum spark plugs are good for 100,000 miles
we very rarely change plugs

x1!

and when we have to theyre already gapped usually :)

[Moose-LandTran]

at general motors - the platinum spark plugs are good for 100,000 miles
we very rarely change plugs

This car's done 97,607miles. We may be 2,393miles short, but these plugs are Iridium. Changed at customer's request anyway. :)

[Moose-LandTran]

x1!

and when we have to theyre already gapped usually :)

These were also gapped, but for the sake of checking and demonstrating i added that bit. It never hurts to check. :)

[Stuey]

You have way too much time on your hands.
We're a lucky community that he used his time in such a productive way for our benefit.

I sooooooo didnt read what was written by the way...

If you didn't read it, print it to read later. =)

[G-force]

I'd suscribe to this...

One thing to add though and very important for the novice. Make sure to make note of the firing order and mark plug wires appropriately.

[Joelfke]

These were also gapped, but for the sake of checking and demonstrating i added that bit. It never hurts to check. :)

oh absolutely....just pointing it out

we had a customer come in today with 127k miles on a trailblazer with original plugs...wanted a tuneup...plugs looked fine but we replaced them anyway

[Joelfke]

I'd suscribe to this...

One thing to add though and very important for the novice. Make sure to make note of the firing order and mark plug wires appropriately.

x1!

especially on bigger engines and cars that are very tight..you cant always readily see which plug is going where

[Plombob]

In Maine, Mooses and cars don't get along very well, you sure you didn't pour some sand in that engine??:bounce:

LOL! That's funny!

Great writeup, Moose! Enjoyed it.

[isr2kba]

at general motors - the platinum spark plugs are good for 100,000 miles
we very rarely change plugs

Well if you ever get a job at Chrysler, try not to forget that they only last 40-50k at best! Your customers will appreciate it.

[Bolster]

That Moose has nicer tools than I do...

...and a better camera!

[Lookin4'67Galaxieconv]

Thanks for the writeup Moose, very clever! :thumbup:

The only thing I would add is to put a little lubricating oil on the spark plug threads. I had a stuck plug several years ago in the car I was driving, and it was affecting the power. It was bad and the car was a four cylinder.

Luckily it came out when I put an impact on it, but ever since then I always put lube on the threads. Figure an ounce of prevention...:pimpflash

[SpiderGearsMan]

Well if you ever get a job at Chrysler, try not to forget that they only last 40-50k at best! Your customers will appreciate it.

chrysler - hemis got plugs every 30k - the 3.7 every 15 k
I thought OBD2 mandated 100k plugs , but like every other law , it only applied ro GM

[Tarheelgarage]

at general motors - the platinum spark plugs are good for 100,000 miles
we very rarely change plugs

Next time you get a car in with about 70,000 miles, take out your DSO ignition scope and take a look at the secondary igntion firing line. You might be surprised at the high KV you see.:shocking:
While the plug might be "good" for 100,000 miles, erosion of the electrode has caused the gap to increase along with firing line KV. Not a good idea to stress already margin (IMHO) ignition modules on most vehicles. Yeah, plat and iridum plugs have done away with the 45,000 mile plug change, but to make it to 100,000 miles is asking for trouble.

I've been doing this on cars that come into my shop for routine maintenance and letting the owners know the results and what they may be facing in the future if they continue driving with the plugs. Some tell me to go ahead and replace plugs, others don't. It never hurts to try to sell a needed service.:thumbup:

[billymade]

Moose, how about having the "mini moose" show us how to rebuild that Mk II Volkswagen Golf? :)

[Britwrench]

Thanks for the writeup Moose, very clever! :thumbup:

The only thing I would add is to put a little lubricating oil on the spark plug threads. I had a stuck plug several years ago in the car I was driving, and it was affecting the power. It was bad and the car was a four cylinder.

Luckily it came out when I put an impact on it, but ever since then I always put lube on the threads. Figure an ounce of prevention...:pimpflash

Modern cars with aluminum heads and current spark plugs do not need anti-sieze or oil on the threads. Install the plug and torque to spec is fine.

If you really want to use anti-sieze on older cars with aluminum heads it's ok for older cas without OBD2 or cats.

Personal choice but I don't use anti-seize.

[ozzy214]

One thing I didn't understand is Bosch plugs...wth man.

They got to be the worst designed plugs I ever saw. Peeps put the bosch suppers in and then come to the garage...well g mister...I got a miss...please fix it

Yeah and as as soon as I drop the new right plugs in ..ie ac delco for gm..motorcraft foir ford..etc...it runs like a top.

What I don't understand is why you put them in Mercedes...I think that's what you said it was. Why not NGK or what it was designed for?

But back on topic..nice write up for the noobies.... May help a lot. And good idea on showing to torque the plugs. Today's aluminum heads are so easy to strip. One point to add is it better on alunimun to do it when the engine is cold, not warm or hot.

[elect]

Thanks Moose!! I enjoyed the write up, it provided a much needed laugh today.

[Moose-LandTran]

Thanks Moose!! I enjoyed the write up, it provided a much needed laugh today.

:beer: Glad you liked it!

[Lookin4'67Galaxieconv]

Modern cars with aluminum heads and current spark plugs do not need anti-sieze or oil on the threads. Install the plug and torque to spec is fine.

If you really want to use anti-sieze on older cars with aluminum heads it's ok for older cas without OBD2 or cats.

Personal choice but I don't use anti-seize.

Point taken.

My daily drivers are a '94 and an '89 so older vehicles are my frame of reference.

[J.A.F.E.]

Well done, thank you Moose. Having small hands, er uh, hooves certainly helps getting into some of those tight areas.

[Nealcrenshaw]

Was that bullwinkle?

[isr2kba]

chrysler - hemis got plugs every 30k - the 3.7 every 15 k
I thought OBD2 mandated 100k plugs , but like every other law , it only applied ro GM

Well what can you do? I look at plugs at every service interval. I gotta tell ya', the Chrysler motors love to eat 'em. If you're lucky, you can clean and re-gap them--usually I'm not lucky.

[babzog]

Modern cars with aluminum heads and current spark plugs do not need anti-sieze or oil on the threads. Install the plug and torque to spec is fine.

If you really want to use anti-sieze on older cars with aluminum heads it's ok for older cas without OBD2 or cats.

Personal choice but I don't use anti-seize.

Interesting points. Could you please elaborate as to why it's okay to use anti-seize/oil on older cars (particularly why OBD2 or a cat would preclude its use) and why not on newer cars?

[Moose-LandTran]

Was that bullwinkle?

Nope, that was me, Moose.

[-B-]

Wow good thread I forgot how to change the plugs in my Ram over 75k ago ( Bosch platinum in a 318)

[Moose-LandTran]

Wow good thread I forgot how to change the plugs in my Ram over 75k ago ( Bosch platinum in a 318)

Uh...? :headscrat

[Steve in SoCal]

Moose,

Good job, where is squirrel?

Did you put iridium plugs in that M102? All the Mercedes distributor engines with EZL should use copper plugs. Here in the states many cars that won't pass smog checks and have rough idles are attributed to "fancy" plugs. Also these should use non resistor plugs.

The older Mercedes engines sensitive to the wrong plugs, I had a guy with a 280SL that would not start, told him it was the plugs. Spent two days checking everything fuel and electric only to find he had just replaced the plugs with Iridium plugs.

Steve

[Moose-LandTran]

Moose,

Good job, where is squirrel?

Did you put iridium plugs in that M102? All the Mercedes distributor engines with EZL should use copper plugs. Here in the states many cars that won't pass smog checks and have rough idles are attributed to "fancy" plugs. Also these should use non resistor plugs.

The older Mercedes engines sensitive to the wrong plugs, I had a guy with a 280SL that would not start, told him it was the plugs. Spent two days checking everything fuel and electric only to find he had just replaced the plugs with Iridium plugs.

Steve

Interesting stuff there, Steve. I believe these to be Iridium, the boxes are in foreign. I haven't started it up yet, spent the last 13 hours working on it, still going. It did take a while to start, maybe twice as long as usual, and sometimes idles and runs a little rough. Thank you for the info, will hunt down some copper plugs today!

Here, have an e-beer on me for the help! :beer:

[oldtools]

Nope, that was me, Moose.

I always thought you are alot bigger than that. I don't know how you can keep yourself so clean while working on car. Anyway, nice writeup. Enjoy reading it.

[Snappy]

That Moose has nicer tools than I do...

...and a better camera!
:lol_hitti

[Merkava_4]

That's a cute presentation Moose. :D

[rhastings80]

Very nice Moose. My wife also thought it was very cute.

[Fins/413]

Is the moose for hire next time I change plugs?

[riskyvt]

Very informative Moose...Thanks for the "how-to" on changing spark plugs. I will be referring to your process at my next change-out. I hope to see more of your insightful automotive photos soon.

BTW: I think "raccoon" from Montreal likes you... :thumbup:

[Bull]

I liked that a lot. By installment twenty, that little moose is going to be pretty grimy from sitting in dirty engine bays and whatnot.

What do you use to gap the plugs? The plugs I bought for my Formula (stock replacement plugs) were not properly gapped, so I bought a cheap little gapping tool for the job. I'd like to find a more high quality version, though.

[old salvage]

Two thumbs up Moose. :thumbup::thumbup:

[-B-]

Uh...? :headscrat


joking to you :beer:

making fun of the other so misinformed :spit:

[246gts]

Nice write up Moose, thanks.

The only suggestion I would make for the Novice audience is that you take a few moments before taking plug caps off to put as bit of tape with the cylinder number on so that you get the correct lead on the right plug when you put it back together.

Dave

[Big Bad Jon]

Great thread moose, I think you need to do one with a timing belt next :bounce:

[tw33k2514]

You just made my day

[Major Ramifications]

Moose, can you ship your little fuzzy self down here and change the three rear plugs in my wife's minivan? They are really hard for a normal-sized guy like myself to get to. If only I had a couple more elbows in each arm. I will gladly give you a large bag of Moose Chow for your time and cover the shipping costs both ways.
Also, the next time you see your veterinarian, ask him about those fuzzy spots on your antlers.

[bchee]

those picts were pretty hilarious. I feel weird admitting I thought they were 'cute.'

Does the moose have bendable wires inside to hold a fixed position?

[ZRX61]

Try that on a V6 Chevy S10...
First you jack up the vehicle & remove the front wheels.... :(

[ozzy214]

Minivans are easy to change the plugs. Gms I rock the motor fwd with a special tool or fords etc I crawl underneath. Break them loose with a midget rachet and then buzz them out with the air rachet. Then buzz them in with air rachet and tighten with midget rachet. Take 10 mins...hell takes longer to jack it up.

[TNToy]

A flate-rate guy, and no picture of the cordless impact beating the plugs down to final torque? You took them out with a ratchet?

Fail.

[JohnMcD348]

Great post. Can't wait to see Moose change the oil.....


I was reading the post expecting a Mr Bill episode or something.

[paramudduck]

I kept waiting on Sluggo to drop the hood on the moose.

[fomocoforrester]

Moose - That is so cool, and a brilliant idea, thanks for taking the time to post it.

I'm looking forward to the next instalment - I hope we get to see you in your Snap On overalls! :)

[HOTFR8]

I love it Moose. How about an Oil change and then you can go on to explain the difference between the 710 cap and an OIL cap :thumbup:

[tonydanzah]

I have never seen anyone torque a spark plug.

[Moose-LandTran]

I have never seen anyone torque a spark plug.

You have now.

The next installment should be done next week. In fact, there may be a few next week..

[arkangel06]

waiting for more :)

[tonydanzah]

Was good write up. Whats on tap for next week?

[Moose-LandTran]

Changing the oil and filter, the rest of servicing, suspension rebuild, VW-Audi 1J platform rear axle radius bushes.

[Scout Driver]

That was great!! Give us more!!

Scott

[stewart]

Moose, I knew it was a joke the whole time, nobody would really need pliers to pull plug boots!

[Moose-LandTran]

Moose, I knew it was a joke the whole time, nobody would really need pliers to pull plug boots!

Depends on the engine. Certain VWs (VR6s) require a special tool to remove the HT leads from the plug, some of their 8-valve engines need a screwdriver to pop the lead without damage. The pliers prevent damage to the leads anyway.

[Adam McLaughlin]

VERY, VERY well done.

Adam

[Moose-LandTran]

VERY, VERY well done.

Adam

I'm glad you liked it, Adam. There will be more on the way. I did want to make another a couple weeks ago, but i was pressed for time and the lighting in the garage was terrible. So the Disc Brake Replacement will be covered another time. I do, however, have some pics:

Jacking the car up:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/chrismca/DSC00693.jpg

Securing it with axle stands:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/chrismca/DSC00694.jpg

Removing the anti-rattle clip:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/chrismca/DSC00703.jpg

(Notice my fancy new latex gloves, i also have overalls.)

Just a teaser. :)
-Moose.

[jrsndman]

Depends on the engine. Certain VWs (VR6s) require a special tool to remove the HT leads from the plug, some of their 8-valve engines need a screwdriver to pop the lead without damage. The pliers prevent damage to the leads anyway.

Hey Moose, what might this special tool look like? I'm going to get around to changing the plugs in my 2001.5 VR6 Passat one of these days, soon.

[Toolhorder]

These were also gapped, but for the sake of checking and demonstrating i added that bit. It never hurts to check. :)

That's good advice. Honda uses NGK or Denso plugs and they come pre gapped as well and have a cardboard or plastic tube over the electrode to protect it until it's opened and out of the box. Once I was changing plugs on a 90K service and when I started the engine I had a dead miss on one cylinder where I had none before. An older tech told me to check the plug gap and sure enough it was smashed into the plug. I gapped it and was back in business.
Even when they are pre gapped I usually inspect them or at least eyeball them to make sure they are close.

[PassnThru]

You da Moose!

[Moose-LandTran]

Hey Moose, what might this special tool look like? I'm going to get around to changing the plugs in my 2001.5 VR6 Passat one of these days, soon.

If your car has individual coil packs, you won't need the special tool, only gently remove the coil pack and you have acess to the plug. If you car has HT leads, you need the VW T10029 Spark Plug Boot Puller.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/chrismca/vw_matra_t10029.jpg

It fits around the lead and boot, the slots in the end engage with tabs on the metal section of the boot allowing you to remove them without damage.

It is available here from Samstag Sales, for $49.99

http://www.samstagsales.com/vwaudi2.htm#spark

Alernatively, a quick search for T10029 will return cheaper options too. :)

That's good advice. Honda uses NGK or Denso plugs and they come pre gapped as well and have a cardboard or plastic tube over the electrode to protect it until it's opened and out of the box. Once I was changing plugs on a 90K service and when I started the engine I had a dead miss on one cylinder where I had none before. An older tech told me to check the plug gap and sure enough it was smashed into the plug. I gapped it and was back in business.
Even when they are pre gapped I usually inspect them or at least eyeball them to make sure they are close.

I've also had pre-gapped plugs with bent electrodes, generally i check them by eye before fitting them, the feeler was used for example's sake. :)

[newspeed]

Modern cars with aluminum heads and current spark plugs do not need anti-sieze or oil on the threads. Install the plug and torque to spec is fine.

If you really want to use anti-sieze on older cars with aluminum heads it's ok for older cas without OBD2 or cats.

Personal choice but I don't use anti-seize.


I never use anti seize on any of my plug changes. There have been cases where the compound can act as an insulator and prevent the plug from getting a good ground causing a lot of problems on newer computer controlled cars. Porsche has actually issued a technical bulletin concerning this very issue. Most german car techs I know never use it either.

[54FordPanel]

You have way too much time on your hands.

+1. Way too much time.

[Moose-LandTran]

+1. Way too much time.

I'm unemployed.

Please understand the point of this thread, it was meant as a light-hearted walk through for both beginners to pick up something basic, and for others to have a laugh. If you can't appreciate that then it's a shame. If i thought it was pointless exercise i wouldn't have bothered.

I trust you won't be checking in on the ones to follow.

[Diesel_Crawler]

I'm unemployed.

Please understand the point of this thread, it was meant as a light-hearted walk through for both beginners to pick up something basic, and for others to have a laugh. If you can't appreciate that then it's a shame. If i thought it was pointless exercise i wouldn't have bothered.

I trust you won't be checking in on the ones to follow.

If more people had to much time and spent it doing this for the forum and or other people the world would a better place.

I for one hope to see more, well I also hope you get a job as well :lol_hitti

the only thing is I think he needs a roller chest more his size!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Snap-On-1-8-Scale-HARDWOOD-TOP-TOOL-CHEST-BOX-NIB_W0QQitemZ160402351983QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item2558b9a76f

[Dan in Pasadena]

If this is for novices, you'd better explain what "HT Leads" are before you drop that acronym on them.

[Sick Puppy]

I'm unemployed.

Please understand the point of this thread, it was meant as a light-hearted walk through for both beginners to pick up something basic, and for others to have a laugh. If you can't appreciate that then it's a shame. If i thought it was pointless exercise i wouldn't have bothered.

I trust you won't be checking in on the ones to follow.Sorry to hear about the unemployment stuff- good to see that you are doing something to keep you occupied!

Thanks for this- I've not done this to any of my cars yet, and I thought this was great, very informative. The moose is pretty cool too. :)

Look forward to the next instalments!

[toolmutt]

Bravo! Can't wait for more installments.

[DaMaN]

Awesome work, you may have a future in animation!

[Bull]

Yeah, what's the deal with the whole "too much time on your hands" line of reasoning, anyway? I guess we all have too much time if we are on a freaking website, talking about tools and posting pics of our tools and tool boxes, eh? :headscrat

I'm with Diesel_Crawler...content like this is pretty great and if more people did it, we'd have even more fun here.

I'll be reading future installments.:)

[X1 Mike]

I never use anti seize on any of my plug changes. There have been cases where the compound can act as an insulator and prevent the plug from getting a good ground causing a lot of problems on newer computer controlled cars. Porsche has actually issued a technical bulletin concerning this very issue. Most german car techs I know never use it either.

Actually the issue you are refering to is probably deals with the ion-sensing system. In vehicles today they send voltage through the spark plug and measure the resistance which will tell the ecm if you have engine knock. Too much copper anti-sieze (copper because it's a good conductor) can throw off the reading, you are safe using a small amount of the silver stuff. It will not affect the reading and plugs will come out easier.

Note: that was a ridiculously basic description of the principle of ion-sense because I dont want everyone to fall asleep.

[Shadowdog500]

Make more!!! These are informative and funny at the same time. I can see a website full of mr moose.

I usually install my plugs with a piece of vacuum line to prevent cross threading. once they are screwed all the way in I pull the vacuum line off and finish the last 1/4 turn with a socket. The vacuum line trick seems to find the threads quickly and never cross threads.

Chris

[Tim Cowan]

Let's put the Moose on a creeper and have a lesson on changing rod bearings with an oil change.........

[z28snksknr]

Much appreciated Moose!!! Me and the wife enjoyed it immensely!!!

[quattrojon]

Moose,

I think you have done an excellent job in both explaining, and photographing the procedure. I'm sure that there are many members who have benefited from reading about it, and have been inspired to have a go at working on their own car.

[Moose-LandTran]

If more people had to much time and spent it doing this for the forum and or other people the world would a better place.

I for one hope to see more, well I also hope you get a job as well :lol_hitti

the only thing is I think he needs a roller chest more his size!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Snap-On-1-8-Scale-HARDWOOD-TOP-TOOL-CHEST-BOX-NIB_W0QQitemZ160402351983QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item2558b9a76f

I'm not sure i could fit all my tools in there! I'm already running out of space. It would be a better height for me though. :)

Make more!!! These are informative and funny at the same time. I can see a website full of mr moose.

I usually install my plugs with a piece of vacuum line to prevent cross threading. once they are screwed all the way in I pull the vacuum line off and finish the last 1/4 turn with a socket. The vacuum line trick seems to find the threads quickly and never cross threads.

Chris

Thank You. :)

It varies from car to car, but i like to use a flexible extension and spinner to drive the my spark plug socket, two turns backwards prevents cross-threading. Works great on VW single cam engines where the intake manifold is in the way.

A cookie to whoever can correctly identify the car that socket/extension is sitting on. ;)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/chrismca/DSC00725.jpg

Let's put the Moose on a creeper and have a lesson on changing rod bearings with an oil change.........

I have a creeper on order, however it is "regular" size, so it may be a little big for me.

Moose,

I think you have done an excellent job in both explaining, and photographing the procedure. I'm sure that there are many members who have benefited from reading about it, and have been inspired to have a go at working on their own car.

Thank you, i hope everyone takes something from these, be it a little bit of knowledge, a desire to try this out if they haven't done so before, or even just a laugh! :)

[Jononon]

Moose,

I think you have done an excellent job in both explaining, and photographing the procedure. I'm sure that there are many members who have benefited from reading about it, and have been inspired to have a go at working on their own car.

Seconded :thumbup:

A cookie to whoever can correctly identify the car that socket/extension is sitting on. ;)

I think that's a Mk3 Golf. If I'm correct, please may I have a biscuit and a cup of tea in lieu of my 'cookie'? Thank you :)

I'm aware I have a PM from you, but the PM system appears to be buggered

[Moose-LandTran]

I think that's a Mk3 Golf. If I'm correct, please may I have a biscuit and a cup of tea in lieu of my 'cookie'? Thank you :)

Close, but no cookie. :)

I'm aware I have a PM from you, but the PM system appears to be buggered

No worries.

[Jononon]

Close, but no cookie. :)

:( plus ten characters

[TireTracks]

You should do one about how to set up Cut-your-own-length Sparkplug wires. I have a set of Accel Superstock wires that are the DIY kind, and the instructions arnt the best.

[epmills]

I think thats the cleanest looking 102 valve cover I have ever seen! Usually when they get to the age they are now the 102/103's are looking a little wore out. Nice write up btw lol.

[Sick Puppy]

Make more!!! These are informative and funny at the same time. I can see a website full of mr moose.
[...]Chris

Hmmm, there's an idea for you Moose LandTran, a series of how-to articles by Moose on a website with advertising, discounts, etc... just saying' :D

[bushhawg73]

I too like the post and hope Mr Moose does more. The internet and post with pics have saved my bacon many time during projects. Thanks Moose

[epmills]

Hmmm, there's an idea for you Moose LandTran, a series of how-to articles by Moose on a website with advertising, discounts, etc... just saying' :D

Speaking of that, start up a series of books similar to "*blank* for dummies" books just automotive related.

[Diesel_Crawler]

I want to see a moose tear down of a VW diesel! right to the bear heads. But no pressure should not be any more the 300+ pictures:thumbup:

Also I see you have been up to no good again :lol_hitti

http://reparent.blog.uvm.edu/images/funny-pictures-moose-cop.jpg

[Mr.Nutcase]

cool....
Why not use anti-sieze?

[manic_mechanic]

I gotta show this to my mom...Awesome thread!

[flatheadguy]

This thread may be reported to both PETA and the SPCA. I mean, this poor moose is performing a job, is he being fairly compensated? Pay him with maybe, oh, what do moose eat? Juniper berries? Oats? Does he have workmans compensation available? This is yet another example of animal abuse!! Wait until Bullwinkle hears about this!!

[quattrojon]

A cookie to whoever can correctly identify the car that socket/extension is sitting on. ;)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/chrismca/DSC00725.jpg


Is it a MK2 Golf Gti?


Jon

[Moose-LandTran]

Is it a MK2 Golf Gti?

Nope. :)

Only two cookies left.. (Yeah, i'm greedy..)

[Moose-LandTran]

This thread may be reported to both PETA and the SPCA. I mean, this poor moose is performing a job, is he being fairly compensated? Pay him with maybe, oh, what do moose eat? Juniper berries? Oats? Does he have workmans compensation available? This is yet another example of animal abuse!! Wait until Bullwinkle hears about this!!

Oh, don't worry about me.

See, i have strawberry laces, cookies, Sprite and money. Got paid £100 the other day to put a cat-back exhaust and some roof racks on an Audi. :)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/chrismca/DSC00728.jpg

nom nom nom..

[ron350]

Moose great pictorial staring the little Moose.

May just be lighthearted fun but I think you have something that could really catch on.

What is little Mosses official name and does he have an agent yet?

[Moose-LandTran]

He's called Moose Jr. (Or just Jr. for short.) And is self-represented. :)

I do plan to do more, they're light hearted but are also meant to be informative. In the hope that they give people a laugh, but can also help. Which is why i try to make the instructions thorough and informative. Maybe one day i will create a website for the tutorials. But that's a long way away. :)

[ron350]

OK when you publish your first Moose JR. book I want to be first to ask for an autographed copy.

[Old Donn]

Good stuff Moose, but you and the little guy are in trouble with the "I don't need a torque wrench, I can tighten by hand" crowd.

[cruiser808]

I too like the post and hope Mr Moose does more. The internet and post with pics have saved my bacon many time during projects. Thanks Moose

+1 on that. Moose, when are you going to regale us with another "Moose explains....." The entertainment value alone is priceless! I can't get enough Moose Jr.:beer:

[jvitez]

I just had my 11 y.o. son read through this. He loved it! Thanks! He doesn't realize he just learned something either :)

Car with extension: A VW Scirocco?

[Moose-LandTran]

I just had my 11 y.o. son read through this. He loved it! Thanks! He doesn't realize he just learned something either :)

Car with extension: A VW Scirocco?

Glad he liked it. :)

And nope, not a Scirocco.

[Diesel_Crawler]

Is the car a mini?

[arkangel06]

lol look at the moose eating junk food lol

[Moose-LandTran]

Is the car a mini?

Nope. :)

lol look at the moose eating junk food lol

Tasty, guilty pleasure! :D

[billymade]

Is the car a Lupo, Polo or a rare Corrado?

[Sick Puppy]

How about a Jetta?

And what is next in the series?

[Moose-LandTran]

Is the car a Lupo, Polo or a rare Corrado?

Nope. :)

How about a Jetta?

Nope. :)

And what is next in the series?

Chainging the oil and filter, and the rest of the basic service.

[quattrojon]

I am sure that there will be many of us that eagerly await the next installment.

[Gareth68]

Milk of magnesia is great for spark plugs. It is a very effect anti-sieze and it will not affect conductivity.

[ron350]

Sounds like Moose Junior is going to be busy working on cars and smiling for the camera.

I hope Junior is machine washable or at least has stunt doubles.

[kiall1987]

car a Mercedes?

[Moose-LandTran]

car a Mercedes?

Nope. :)

It's wonderfully obscure. Whoever gets it right actually will recieve a pack of the tastiest commercially available choc-chip cookies. :)

Moose might be explaining how to change bent valves, timing belts and headgaskets soon too. :lol:

Towing a car here tomorrow..

[kiall1987]

mk3 golf vr6

[Moose-LandTran]

mk3 golf vr6

Haha, nope. :)

[Yardgoat]

I cant wait to see little moose change oil..haha.Maybe get him a small boat like the tiddy bowl man...............Love it ,you did good fellow 4 legger..........Yardgoat

[00S4Boy]

It's a 126 series Mercedes-Benz.

[Honda 1]

Moose,
Very well done! Baby Moose demonstrating the procedure was great as well.

[atari]

I gotta show this to my mom...Awesome thread!

My mom would look at me like "really".

[Scout Driver]

A cookie to whoever can correctly identify the car that socket/extension is sitting on. ;)


Wild guess.....is it a Russian Lada?? :headscrat

Scott

[Moose-LandTran]

Wild guess.....is it a Russian Lada?? :headscrat

Nope, not one of those. :)

[jvitez]

A glorious pride of East Germany Trabant!

[Moose-LandTran]

A glorious pride of East Germany Trabant!

Nope. No one's going to get it. :D

[BackTracker]

+10 for the stuffed moose!

[jvitez]

Nope. No one's going to get it. :D

Them's fightin' words!! :)

Spasiba, my big-eared Moose. It's a Zaporozhets.

(How's that for an abstruse sentence.....:lol_hitti)

[Scout Driver]

Is it a Nissan Xterra??? I'm pretty sure that its not a Scout.

Scott

[Moose-LandTran]

Them's fightin' words!! :)

Spasiba, my big-eared Moose. It's a Zaporozhets.

(How's that for an abstruse sentence.....:lol_hitti)

Nope. Not one of those. :)

Is it a Nissan Xterra??? I'm pretty sure that its not a Scout.

Nope. I don't think we even get Xterras over here. :)

[Brookesy]

I think its a VW Passat, and if i win i want the strawberry laces

[Moose-LandTran]

I think its a VW Passat, and if i win i want the strawberry laces

No strawberry laces for you. :)

[quattrojon]

Moose,

I think you should give us another clue!

[Moose-LandTran]

Moose,

I think you should give us another clue!

Hmm...



Nah! :D

[quattrojon]

I've just had another look at the photo, but i'm still non-the-wiser. Perhaps a photo from another angle might help.

[Moose-LandTran]

I've just had another look at the photo, but i'm still non-the-wiser. Perhaps a photo from another angle might help.

I don't have the car here anymore. No other pics. Looks like no one's getting cookies!

[A_Pmech]

It's a MooseMobile, duh!

So, what did I win?

:spit:

[Moose-LandTran]

It's a MooseMobile, duh!

So, what did I win?

:spit:

A great big pack of nothing! Luckily, i hear the shipping is cheap on stuff that doesn't weigh anything! :lol:

[A_Pmech]

A great big pack of nothing! Luckily, i hear the shipping is cheap on stuff that doesn't weigh anything! :lol:

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-pictures-unimpressed-cat.jpg

[arkangel06]

its one of those older BMW's

[Moose-LandTran]

its one of those older BMW's

Is the wrong answer! :lol:

[Brookesy]

That headlight makes me think its a vauxhall

[kiall1987]

Mk4 golf
?

[ourkid2000]

Is it an Audi 50?

[Kjbakke2]

i have a wolf mascot in my car about the same size as moose....if you need a partner in crime let me know haha

[ourkid2000]

Or a VW Rabbit........the old ones, like a 1977 model

http://industry.dealer.com/assets/1977-vw-rabbit.jpg

[Moose-LandTran]

That headlight makes me think its a vauxhall

You'll need to be more specific. Make, model and generation. :)

Mk4 golf
?

Nope.

Is it an Audi 50?

Nope.

Or a VW Rabbit........the old ones, like a 1977 model

Nope.

i have a wolf mascot in my car about the same size as moose....if you need a partner in crime let me know haha

Don't worry, i have my friend Molly who helps me. :)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/chrismca/DSC00621.jpg

[ourkid2000]

Man it's gotta be a Viva then....

[Moose-LandTran]

Man it's gotta be a Viva then....

Except it isn't. :)

[Brookesy]

You'll need to be more specific. Make, model and generation. :)

Hmmmm could it be an Vauxhall Omega?

[tonydanzah]

you seem to love america alot, so i'm going with a 87 iroc z camaro

[TireTracks]

you seem to love america alot, so i'm going with a 87 iroc z camaro

:lol_hitti

How bout a WAG of an MG of some sort.

[Moose-LandTran]

Hmmmm could it be an Vauxhall Omega?

I'm afraid it couldn't! :lol:

you seem to love america alot, so i'm going with a 87 iroc z camaro

Not an Iroc-Z. Not even a Big Ol' Truck, with chrome steel bumpers and red step sides. :lol:

:lol_hitti

How bout a WAG of an MG of some sort.

You'll need to be more specific. :)

[quattrojon]

Are you ever going to tell us?

[Moose-LandTran]

Are you ever going to tell us?

Of course i will! :)


Just as soon as someone gets it right! :lol:

[lekkousa]

Great write up! Informative and entertaining!

[TireTracks]

i'm afraid it couldn't! :lol:



Not an iroc-z. Not even a big ol' truck, with chrome steel bumpers and red step sides. :lol:



You'll need to be more specific. :)

mgb?..............

[Moose-LandTran]

Great write up! Informative and entertaining!

Thank You. :)

mgb?..............

Nope. ;)

[TireTracks]

Thank You. :)



Nope. ;)

MG midgit?


I'm just going to keep guessing untill i get to the last tiny 4cylender car ever made.

[tonydanzah]

a tvr


.................

[Moose-LandTran]

MG midgit?


I'm just going to keep guessing untill i get to the last tiny 4cylender car ever made.

Nope. :)

Who ever said it was a 4-cylinder?

a tvr


.................

Nope. :)

[tonydanzah]

mustang gt 5.0

[Moose-LandTran]

mustang gt 5.0

Nope! :)



Hold me closer Tony Danzah.. Count the headlights on the highway..



:lol:

[Brookesy]

Nope! :)



Hold me closer Tony Danzah.. Count the headlights on the highway..



:lol:

You do know its Tiny Dancer & not Tony Danzah??

[tonydanzah]

1987 chevy nova

[tonydanzah]

Subaru brat

[Moose-LandTran]

You do know its Tiny Dancer & not Tony Danzah??

Of course i do! I'm not that thick! :p

1987 chevy nova

Nope.

Subaru brat

Nope. :)

[mishkaya]

Alfa Romeo 147?

[arkangel06]

I know what type of car it is!


Its a Mercedes-Benz.

[ovilla]

Moose, I think it's about time for "Lil Moose" (that's what we call him in the US) to go back in front of the cameras for his BIG "Brake" Job tutorial. We'd love to see him swinging a mini sledge hammer while removing a rusted on rotor.

Nice job with the write up! My 8 year old son just read it and also liked it. I think a childrens series on "Watch Moose do... ( )" would be a great way to show the little ones how to do automotive repairs.

[Moose-LandTran]

Alfa Romeo 147?

Nope. :)

I know what type of car it is!

No cookies for you. http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/chrismca/Icons/emot-raise.gif

Its a Mercedes-Benz.

Moose, I think it's about time for "Lil Moose" (that's what we call him in the US) to go back in front of the cameras for his BIG "Brake" Job tutorial. We'd love to see him swinging a mini sledge hammer while removing a rusted on rotor.

Nice job with the write up! My 8 year old son just read it and also liked it. I think a childrens series on "Watch Moose do... ( )" would be a great way to show the little ones how to do automotive repairs.

I did a brake job recently, but was pressed for time and couldn't get enough pictures. Making these is very time consuming which is a problem when there's a deadline to meet. However, i will be making more when i get the chance, the family car is getting serviced in a few days, will make more when i can. :)

[TireTracks]

Nope. :)

Who ever said it was a 4-cylinder?



Nope. :)


I can only see 4 spark plug wires, and it's not a V engine.

[Moose-LandTran]

I can only see 4 spark plug wires, and it's not a V engine.

We're not talking about the car in the tutorial, we're talking about the car in this pic:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/chrismca/DSC00725.jpg

[ddawg16]

How about little Moose doing a show and tell on what the different deposits on the plugs mean....

[Moose-LandTran]

How about little Moose doing a show and tell on what the different deposits on the plugs mean....

If i can find some, sure. :)

[tonydanzah]

pontiac g8

[Moose-LandTran]

pontiac g8

Nope. :)

We get the G8 rebranded as a Vauxhall VXR8 here. But it isn't one of those either! :)

[Jiffycake]

mkiv golf.

[tonydanzah]

dodge srt4

[tonydanzah]

nissan r32

[tonydanzah]

cosworth escort

[tonydanzah]

international cxt

[Moose-LandTran]

mkiv golf.

I was waiting for someone to say that. Nope! :D

dodge srt4

Nope.

nissan r32

Nope.

cosworth escort

Nope.

international cxt

Nope. No use for a spark plug socket on 'em either. :)


It's wonderfully obscure! :D

[quattrojon]

Moose,

Is this car still in production?

[Moose-LandTran]

Moose,

Is this car still in production?

Oooooh, good question. No, it isn't. :)

[quattrojon]

Something from the eighties perhaps? Hot hatch?

[Moose-LandTran]

Later than the 80s. No more hints! :p

[Brookesy]

sod it, toyota avensis

[Moose-LandTran]

sod it, toyota avensis

Nah! Not even close. :D

[mishkaya]

Later than the 80s. No more hints! :p

Skoda Felicia?

[Brookesy]

Ok then is it manufactured by ze germans??

[Moose-LandTran]

Skoda Felicia?

I'm liking the obscurity, but no. :)

Ok then is it manufactured by ze germans??

Zat may be ein pozziblity, mein herr..