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Mark in Indiana
06-01-2013, 04:17 PM
No enemy of mine, maybe some day you might need some jaws. I love those old ones, they look so beefy. There is a Columbian 604 close to me for a $100 and looks pretty good. Is it worth it?
Kevin

If it's as solid as it looks, $100 is a good price. I sold a Columbian 504 (stationary) for $175 about 6 months ago.

bigcaddy
06-01-2013, 04:33 PM
No enemy of mine, maybe some day you might need some jaws. I love those old ones, they look so beefy. There is a Columbian 604 close to me for a $100 and looks pretty good. Is it worth it?
Kevin

That looks like a very nice Columbian with some sharp edges on it. If its on CL, prices are negotiable so give them a call. Even if they only take 80.00 off the price, its still a great vise for the money. :beer:

KMScott
06-01-2013, 04:36 PM
I am interested in it's jaw dimensions. It looks like it has replaceable jaws and down the road I wanted to build jaws for the Columbians. I sure see a bunch of them out there but have not looked into all the models and what jaw sizes they use. My biggest problem is getting a jaw in my hand so I can get accurate numbers, and being able to have them fitted before going into production. Out this way not many vises are for sale on CL worth buying.

Kevin

EOC_Jason
06-01-2013, 04:43 PM
No enemy of mine, maybe some day you might need some jaws. I love those old ones, they look so beefy. There is a Columbian 604 close to me for a $100 and looks pretty good. Is it worth it?
Kevin

Yeah I would always try to talk them down, but I've seen ones hella beat up and people got a lot more than that... That one looks like it hasn't been abused, and it has the nice T jaws...

454ragtop
06-01-2013, 04:45 PM
Here's one for the journal before bigcaddy steals it. Its a Hollands 26H. va.grousman has its bigger brother the 28H.

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae325/autopts71045/Hollands26H_zpsef4eb2ad.jpg (http://s984.photobucket.com/user/autopts71045/media/Hollands26H_zpsef4eb2ad.jpg.html)

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae325/autopts71045/Hollands26H-2_zpsaf596db2.jpg (http://s984.photobucket.com/user/autopts71045/media/Hollands26H-2_zpsaf596db2.jpg.html)


Spanking new handle with the help of KMS

Hey KMS, can you give us the source for the balls on that great handle?
TIA, Jim

autopts
06-01-2013, 05:10 PM
No enemy of mine, maybe some day you might need some jaws. I love those old ones, they look so beefy. There is a Columbian 604 close to me for a $100 and looks pretty good. Is it worth it?
Kevin


Kevin,
That Columbian looks Pristine, buy it!

bigcaddy..I've never said this..YOU SUCK!!!!

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae325/autopts71045/1940Wilton_zps06b75f8c.jpg (http://s984.photobucket.com/user/autopts71045/media/1940Wilton_zps06b75f8c.jpg.html)

EOC_Jason
06-01-2013, 05:12 PM
I wonder whom here has enough vises to actually spell out "YOU SUCK" in vises... Hehe...

autopts
06-01-2013, 05:14 PM
Hey KMS, can you give us the source for the balls on that great handle?
TIA, Jim

I gave him the balls and bar stock, Kevin just did the rest for me. I got them from.
http://www.reidsupply.com/sku/SB-13/

KMScott
06-01-2013, 05:18 PM
Hey KMS, can you give us the source for the balls on that great handle?
TIA, Jim

I was mailed the steel balls with the threads already installed from Autopts. I had to make a fixture to hold the ball and add a flat square to the threads the same size as the handle diameter, so when the ball is tightened it seats on the flats at the end of the handle. The threads on the handle were under-cut so it had a nice flat to seat the steel balls. It is important to seat the balls tight so they do not come loose and look good. It was more work then it looks to attach the steel balls. I had to make a set of jaws so Autopts could install the steel balls real tight. Ask autopts where he got the balls, I plum forgot where he got them. I got to go to Boulder and pick up a Columbian vise.

balane
06-01-2013, 05:36 PM
Just finished up this old Reed 203 1/2. Everything was in great shape so it ended up really nice with smooth action.

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autopts
06-01-2013, 08:45 PM
Just finished up this old Reed 203 1/2. Everything was in great shape so it ended up really nice with smooth action.

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Very nice! And, it will never need a touchup.

autopts
06-03-2013, 09:46 PM
Here's another for the Journal. Its a American Scale NO. 25. Its got 6" jaws and its big and heavy. The Dynamic weighed 91 lbs. and the body weighed 90 lbs. I'm not sure if A.S. ever made a 8" or not. This big boy has many scars from battle but its far from being ready for the scrap heap.

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae325/autopts71045/AmericanScale25-D-2_zps078efcb3.jpg (http://s984.photobucket.com/user/autopts71045/media/AmericanScale25-D-2_zps078efcb3.jpg.html)

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae325/autopts71045/AmericanScale25-D-3_zps6252fcfb.jpg (http://s984.photobucket.com/user/autopts71045/media/AmericanScale25-D-3_zps6252fcfb.jpg.html)

garthg
06-03-2013, 10:42 PM
I have a perfectly good Wilton 1750 I bought new around 1990. I think I paid about $181 for it, when you could get a 50# Chinese vice for about $30. It's still in really good shape, except the Wilton foil stickers fell off years ago:

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/Garth_Goldberg/wilton01a_zps70544048.jpg

I've been reading this thread for a while now. I find myself wanting another vise. Why? What's wrong with me?

Outlawmws
06-03-2013, 10:59 PM
I'm gonna start making enemies instead of friends if i keep posting finds like this.

Early 1940's Wilton No. 3 with lots of original grey paint. Its missing the dust cap but i can make one with out too much hassle.:beer:

It might be too late to worry about that BC! I think Autopts has it in for you already! :evil:


:lol_hitti

Outlawmws
06-03-2013, 11:00 PM
Holy @#$@#% Autopts! That's one big mother!

zoomieport
06-05-2013, 10:55 AM
Here's a 1952 C1 I did for my cousin... He's a happy man!

LEWIS PELLEY
06-05-2013, 11:49 AM
I'm new to this site.
Have a Bron 4 1/2" vise No. 115 on the side of it & it's made in Germany.
Would like to know if it's worth anything. It's in good shape except the paint.
Lewis

balane
06-05-2013, 12:01 PM
Zoomie, that Wilton looks brand new. You did an amazing job, anybody would be thrilled to own that.

Lewis, I can't tell you what yours is worth but I saw a Bron 5" vise sell locally for $200. The surface finish looked nicer than yours but yours looks to be in better structural condition. In fact, yours looks quite nice and just needs a little cleanup to look terrific.

Edit: I guess it was Eron from reading further. It looked identical to your vise, just a little larger.

zoomieport
06-05-2013, 02:21 PM
Zoomie, that Wilton looks brand new. You did an amazing job, anybody would be thrilled to own that.

Thank you!

nine4gmc
06-05-2013, 02:50 PM
Better than new imo, great job!! :beer:

oldldh
06-05-2013, 05:58 PM
Not too shabby for a Wilton overhaul...

You dun gud, Bubba..

zoomieport
06-05-2013, 06:14 PM
Better than new imo, great job!! :beer:

Not too shabby for a Wilton overhaul...

You dun gud, Bubba..

Thanks!

KMScott
06-05-2013, 06:26 PM
Zoomie
Just seen that C1 you did and Wow, real nice job. Wish I had cousins like you. Did you use automotive paint? I would have liked to see the jaws, serrations get me all excited. Great job.

Kevin

PCO6
06-05-2013, 06:30 PM
I'm new to this site.
Have a Bron 4 1/2" vise No. 115 on the side of it & it's made in Germany.
Would like to know if it's worth anything. It's in good shape except the paint.
LewisThat looks a lot like a Record. The identification markings on yours are even in the same locations as most Records. A 4.5" Record is a number 4. Record did manufacture vices under other names but Bron is a new one to me. If it's all there I'd say it's worth restoring.

The photo is hard to read. Does it say "Bron" or "Fron"?

bl00
06-05-2013, 07:19 PM
Looks like ERON to me.

Mark in Indiana
06-05-2013, 07:44 PM
Here's a 1952 C1 I did for my cousin... He's a happy man!

You did a beautiful job on that vise!

zoomieport
06-05-2013, 07:45 PM
Zoomie
Just seen that C1 you did and Wow, real nice job. Wish I had cousins like you. Did you use automotive paint? I would have liked to see the jaws, serrations get me all excited. Great job.

Kevin

Thanks!
Nope, just regular old Verde Green rattle can... I should have taken pics of the jaws, I'll get 'em next time...

zoomieport
06-05-2013, 07:45 PM
You did a beautiful job on that vise!

Thanks!

PCO6
06-05-2013, 07:47 PM
b100 - You're right, it's "ERON". I went to Google Images and found lots of them. There's definately a Record connection.

senlow
06-05-2013, 08:09 PM
b100 - You're right, it's "ERON". I went to Google Images and found lots of them. There's definately a Record connection.

It sure looks like "Eron" to me. I've never seen an Eron vise that was made in Germany. It's my understanding that Eron is a Japanese company.

My Eron drill press vise was made in Japan. It's a good vise, and cost far less than a Heinrich.

wrenchguy
06-05-2013, 08:58 PM
zoomie r u the guy i bought the 4 1/2" athol from on mazoo craigslist early this week? my pickup guy might not make it this weekend..... ok?????

zoomieport
06-05-2013, 09:00 PM
zoomie r u the guy i bought the 4 1/2" athol from on mazoo craigslist early this week? my pickup guy might not make it this weekend..... ok?????

Sorry, not me...

zoomieport
06-05-2013, 09:06 PM
zoomie r u the guy i bought the 4 1/2" athol from on mazoo craigslist early this week? my pickup guy might not make it this weekend..... ok?????

If it's in Kalamazoo and you need a hand, I can pick it up and hang on to it until your guy can make it. He can just pick it up from me. PM me if you need a hand. Take care.

autopts
06-05-2013, 10:26 PM
Here's a 1952 C1 I did for my cousin... He's a happy man!

1st class restoration my man!!

billybek
06-05-2013, 10:38 PM
A little score from a few weeks back.... Free!

zoomieport
06-05-2013, 11:40 PM
1st class restoration my man!!

Thank you Obi Wan... :thumbup:

wrenchguy
06-06-2013, 06:27 AM
i can't find zoomies c1, where r u guys seeing it? zoomie pm sent. thanks.

EOC_Jason
06-06-2013, 07:11 AM
i can't find zoomies c1, where r u guys seeing it? zoomie pm sent. thanks.

It's at this post a couple pages back (http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3153779&postcount=8520)

J HAV
06-06-2013, 05:51 PM
A little score from a few weeks back.... Free!


FREE!!!? You SUCK :mad:

Mark in Indiana
06-06-2013, 06:56 PM
^^^what he said^^^.

Steevo
06-06-2013, 07:12 PM
Quite a while ago, I posted a couple of pics of a Columbian 203-1/2 that I picked up at a yard sale:
http://sdwike.smugmug.com/photos/i-42FhKck/0/M/i-42FhKck-M.jpg

I finally got around to sandblasting, cleaning, painting and re-assembling the vise:
http://sdwike.smugmug.com/photos/i-kWr5qwb/0/M/i-kWr5qwb-M.jpg
http://sdwike.smugmug.com/photos/i-f6MLxQ6/0/M/i-f6MLxQ6-M.jpg

Here it is lined up with a few friends:
http://sdwike.smugmug.com/photos/i-hKRxMsD/0/M/i-hKRxMsD-M.jpg

Outlawmws
06-06-2013, 08:33 PM
Nice job Steevo!

zoomieport
06-06-2013, 11:18 PM
Well done SteevO!

ssffnomad
06-07-2013, 06:03 AM
Dude, nice work.

GETRIDAONE
06-07-2013, 08:18 AM
Steevo,
Your gray one looks like my Simplex paint job. It was so rusty I painted everything. The Columbian came out a little more "mint" green than anticipated. Great job on yours !

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z380/GETRIDAONE/BLASTCABINET009.jpg (http://s1186.photobucket.com/user/GETRIDAONE/media/BLASTCABINET009.jpg.html)

[URL=http://s1186.photobucket.com/user/GETRIDAONE/media/BLASTCABINET008.jpg.html]http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z380/GETRIDAONE/BLASTCABINET008.jpg[/URL

toolfanatic
06-07-2013, 10:25 AM
Here is a "Paramo" No.3 which I picked up today, 4" jaws and pretty much in perfect condition bar some light surface rust. I'm debating whether I'll bother repainting, might just clean off the grime and grease it up for use. I couldn't believe the condition of it when I got it home, it's so rare here to see one of these (or a Record) second hand that hasn't been abused or had a hard life. Happy days!

zoomieport
06-07-2013, 11:08 AM
Here's another C1 I just finished last night... This one's a 1977, not quite as nice as the 1952 I did for my cousin that I posted a few pages back, but I'm keeping this one for the collection...

EOC_Jason
06-07-2013, 11:11 AM
Here's another C1 I just finished last night... This one's a 1977, not quite as nice as the 1952 I did for my cousin that I posted a few pages back, but I'm keeping this one for the collection...

OOooooo.... Ahhhhh...... :thumbup:

That one is a total junker, just throw it in a box and send it to me... :willy_nil

zoomieport
06-07-2013, 11:18 AM
OOooooo.... Ahhhhh...... :thumbup:

That one is a total junker, just throw it in a box and send it to me... :willy_nil

Don't get me wrong, this one is nice... But that 1952 was a peach!!!

KMScott
06-07-2013, 11:42 AM
Zoomie
How did the one pipe jaw you were looking for work out. Did you locate where to pick up the clips. I should think about making them if they are hard to find. I can not tell by the pictures if they are both new or did you replace just one. You keep forgetting to show the jaws. Another great job, you guy's are lucky to be in a place where you can find these big guys. One C2 sold out here last week for $735. at a auction, it was nice but to much for me.

Kevin

zoomieport
06-07-2013, 12:15 PM
Zoomie
How did the one pipe jaw you were looking for work out. Did you locate where to pick up the clips. I should think about making them if they are hard to find. I can not tell by the pictures if they are both new or did you replace just one. You keep forgetting to show the jaws. Another great job, you guy's are lucky to be in a place where you can find these big guys. One C2 sold out here last week for $735. at a auction, it was nice but to much for me.

Kevin

Kevin,
I ended up buying a new set from Wilton (ouch!)...
I didn't post the jaws before because they are decidedly unexciting... I was just browsing your website http://wiltonviseparts.net/ and without measuring, I am assuming the 450 jaws fit the C1... Do you know?
Anyway, here are the pictures of the jaws, I know the serations are your thing, but these aren't that great... looks like I might be in the market for a new set from you...
I just sent you an email and I am on my way to the post office, expect a package...
Thanks!
Mike

zoomieport
06-07-2013, 12:19 PM
By the way Kevin... I need jaws for my Morgan 180, 160, 150, 145, 140, 135 and 130!!! Looks like you'll be working the weekend! HAHAHA!

EOC_Jason
06-07-2013, 09:27 PM
By the way Kevin... I need jaws for my Morgan 180, 160, 150, 145, 140, 135 and 130!!! Looks like you'll be working the weekend! HAHAHA!

If only someone had the vision to stock up on vise jaws 50+ years ago on these old vises before the companies went out of business, they could of made serious bank today...

Low Friction
06-07-2013, 09:33 PM
Of course Morgan still supplies replacement jaw inserts for their vises from yesteryear. Slab/T/U style.

toomanytoyzz
06-07-2013, 09:35 PM
Just got back from picking this guy up for $25. Here's the CL ad http://baltimore.craigslist.org/tls/3840140491.html. With no pics I wasn't too confident UNTIL he sent one over via text messaging. Ten minutes later I was heading to Maryland to pick it up. To me, it's more neglected (left outside) than abused which if I had a choice when shopping for a $25 bullet I'd pick the neglected one. Gonna give it the needed tear down, molasses bath and paint to put her back in duty. I'll be sure to post up the finished product.:beer:

Jos5eph
06-07-2013, 10:08 PM
I'm sure there are some really cool ones out there.http://ictor.hipcp.com/5.jpg

KMScott
06-07-2013, 10:11 PM
Of course Morgan still supplies replacement jaw inserts for their vises from yesteryear. Slab/T/U style.

Where would I find these jaws you are talking about. The only place I found that mentions Morgan vises is this site. http://www.milwmal.com/v_mach.htm Doing a Google image search does not come up with any pictures either. I would be interested in purchasing a set.

zoomieport
06-07-2013, 10:45 PM
Kevin,
Here you go... Best I could do on short notice... If you can't read it, let me know and I will email it to you.
Mike

KMScott
06-07-2013, 10:52 PM
Kevin,
I am assuming the 450 jaws fit the C1... Do you know?
Mike

He Zoomie, you are correct. The new style C1 has 5/8 x 1=1/4 x 4-1/2 jaws. But if your vise is the old style that has the Chicago on the casting then the jaw sizes would be 5/8 x 1.0 x 4-1/2 both with 5/16:18 screws.

Thanks for the pictures and a mention of my site. Look forward to your American Standard jaw insert.

Kevin

KMScott
06-07-2013, 10:56 PM
Kevin,
Here you go... Best I could do on short notice... If you can't read it, let me know and I will email it to you.
Mike

Thanks Mike. I will give them a call.

autopts
06-07-2013, 11:45 PM
Here's another for the journal. Its a clean Parker 973. Its a ideal shop cart vise with class. It will be listed on 6-8

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae325/autopts71045/8c8dcffc-ee5a-4e87-a2b6-700c4e6d4102_zps50bf73fc.jpg (http://s984.photobucket.com/user/autopts71045/media/8c8dcffc-ee5a-4e87-a2b6-700c4e6d4102_zps50bf73fc.jpg.html)

Mitkoasd
06-08-2013, 05:24 AM
Hy guys! This is my first post in your great Vises forum. Let me introduce myself: My name is Dimitar - everybody call me Mite or Mitko, i'm 18 - years old and i'm from Bulgaria. I usually write in Tools from the old world forum. I just Love tools and everything linked with them. I have a two workshops and a lot of tools. I work seriously with vises since 3 years and today i already have 4 bulgarian and two chinese vises. I'll show you my vises after time because pics of them are on the other PC.
Greeting from Bulgaria! :beer:

Mark in Indiana
06-08-2013, 07:26 AM
Welcome Mite. I assume that you will have some interesting Bulgarian vises. Looking forward to the pictures.

EOC_Jason
06-08-2013, 12:44 PM
Finally blasted off the static jaw on this Parker Union 974-1/2... Just a few little cut marks, but otherwise very clean and not abused... So nice to use a blasting cabinet hooked up to a 15HP compressor, no longer do I have to wait for it to build up pressure... :)

Pics were before I wiped it down and put on some primer. (The heat & humidity here in Texas means any bare metal will start rusting quick!)

I really want to paint it the hammered verde green like a wilton but can't find the paint anywhere. I'm going to try hitting up one more Lowes today before giving up and going with a different color...

Color suggestions?

Rusty Musket
06-08-2013, 09:20 PM
Looking Good Jason. I might go look at a Parker tonight. Does anyone know what the "A" after 974 represents on this one?

zoomieport
06-08-2013, 09:29 PM
Looking Good Jason. I might go look at a Parker tonight. Does anyone know what the "A" after 974 represents on this one?

Rusty,

Wild A$$ guess...

That Parker has three mounting holes and a round base, therefore it can be mounted stationary, or fit with a swivel base.

All of the Parkers I've had, seem to me, were either... "cornered or stationary" or swivel base, they weren't able to do both...

I'm sure a Parker expert will be along soon to assist!

Mike

Rusty Musket
06-08-2013, 09:43 PM
Rusty,

Wild A$$ guess...

That Parker has three mounting holes and a round base, therefore it can be mounted stationary, or fit with a swivel base.

All of the Parkers I've had, seem to me, were either... "cornered or stationary" or swivel base, they weren't able to do both...

I'm sure a Parker expert will be along soon to assist!

Mike

Thanks Mike. I am heading out now. I need another vise like a hole in the head but I do have a soft spot for Parkers. The script on this one (not shown in pics) is not as pretty as some of the older ones but the vise is close-by so probably worth a look.

EOC_Jason
06-09-2013, 09:03 AM
It is a later model... You can tell by the collar on the front, it looks like a piece of flat steel instead of their fancy cast curvy piece.

Don't know if the A's were Union Mfg or not... Would be nice if there was a pic of the other side.

wrenchguy
06-09-2013, 10:37 AM
Looking Good Jason. I might go look at a Parker tonight. Does anyone know what the "A" after 974 represents on this one?

Back in May I was asking about the "B" on a recent parker/union 975B, my guess is someone may have to come up with sales catalogs from that time frame to determine what the A's & B's mean. good luck, nice vise u got there, here's mine.
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/wrenchguy49/SAM_1248_zpsacddcbf1.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/wrenchguy49/media/SAM_1248_zpsacddcbf1.jpg.html)

psychob0b1977
06-09-2013, 10:48 AM
Looking Good Jason. I might go look at a Parker tonight. Does anyone know what the "A" after 974 represents on this one?

Back in May I was asking about the "B" on a recent parker/union 975B, my guess is someone may have to come up with sales catalogs from that time frame to determine what the A's & B's mean. good luck, nice vise u got there, here's mine.
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/wrenchguy49/SAM_1248_zpsacddcbf1.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/wrenchguy49/media/SAM_1248_zpsacddcbf1.jpg.html)

just a little observation here,

the 974a pictured is NON-swivel.

the 975B pictured on the otherhand is a swivel base.

maybe the "a" is a non-swivel designation, and the "b" is a designation for swivel.

wrenchguy
06-09-2013, 10:54 AM
just a little observation here,

the 974a pictured is NON-swivel.

the 975B pictured on the otherhand is a swivel base.

maybe the "a" is a non-swivel designation, and the "b" is a designation for swivel.

psycho, from what i know, (ain't much) the 2nd number in the 3 digit model number indicated whether it was a swivel model. 7's were swivels, 5's were fixed. I seen in past pages A's on swivel bases. thanks.

2nd look, his "A" does looks to have a reinforced boss all the way to the edge of the base, where mine ain't. guessing here.....

Rusty Musket
06-09-2013, 11:43 AM
just a little observation here,

the 974a pictured is NON-swivel.
the 975B pictured on the otherhand is a swivel base.
maybe the "a" is a non-swivel designation, and the "b" is a designation for swivel.

Thanks for the input everyone! I went and looked at it last night but did not bring it home. It was the first Parker I have seen with that very simple flat steel collar. The half-round collar with "Parker" written on it is one of my favorite features of these vises so I was a bit disappointed to find it absent. The bottom of the base is machined flat with a hole in the center. The hole was stuffed with crud so I did not verify that it was threaded but I would guess that it is and maybe once had a swivel base. The original handle is long gone and there is just a large bent bolt in there now. I will probably pass on this one and finish the projects I have already.


Here is the link if anyone else is interested.

http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/for/3857591774.html

EOC_Jason
06-09-2013, 11:49 AM
Yes, the #'s identify the swivel or stationary and jaw size...

Difference from A to B that I can see:

1. Reinforced boss on the back on the A
2. The hardened jaws mate to the casting at different angles
3. Front collar & face is different

Taking a stab in the dark it seems like they tweaked the design to simplify the casting shape and machining of the jaws. (Thus reducing costs)

wrenchguy
06-09-2013, 11:59 AM
it must be a late parker just b4 union buy out. with aluminum model tag, i was thinking that tag was union/parker. just guessing..... good luck.

isn't that late 974 worth $65.00?

EOC_Jason
06-09-2013, 12:46 PM
isn't that late 974 worth $65.00?

Sure, if it had the swivel base and the handle wasn't a long bolt...

454ragtop
06-09-2013, 09:58 PM
Picked up a Yost 203 today, pretty sure it's the first Yost I can ever remember seeing in the flesh. Appears to be in real nice shape under the porch paint, straight handles and nice jaws. Also a couple pics of a little guy I found a couple weeks ago, can't find any markings on it, looks too old to be offshore, anybody recognize it?
Jim

Burgerkong
06-09-2013, 10:35 PM
Slowly cleaning my Athol up!

Cleans up super nice!

http://imageshack.us/a/img824/7141/img4001nk.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img341/1631/img4002s.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img802/4969/img4003h.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img818/944/img4004kn.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img515/8948/img4005ta.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img703/763/img4006r.jpg

Still cracking away at it!

oldldh
06-09-2013, 10:37 PM
Next time, please post some BIG pictures!!!

Kevin54
06-09-2013, 11:30 PM
Slowly cleaning my Athol up!

Go look at the wife and when she ask what you are doing, tell her you're cleaning your Athol up. Then snap a pic of the funny look you will get :lol_hitti

Maclin
06-10-2013, 07:44 AM
Hello, this is my first post after a long time lurking and learning from so many of you loyal vise purists. Many thanks to you first of all. I want to share a very positive electrolysis bath for my Athol 624 that was tutored by the members here. Hooked the tub up and 20 hours later the Athol was a most beautiful thing. My wife says I'm not mentally disturbed for thinking these vises are works of engineering art. Gotta love her for that.

Mark in Indiana
06-10-2013, 07:37 PM
Hello, this is my first post after a long time lurking and learning from so many of you loyal vise purists. Many thanks to you first of all. I want to share a very positive electrolysis bath for my Athol 624 that was tutored by the members here. Hooked the tub up and 20 hours later the Athol was a most beautiful thing. My wife says I'm not mentally disturbed for thinking these vises are works of engineering art. Gotta love her for that.

Welcome to the group. If your Athol turns out like the vises in your avatar, you will have a work or art. As far as wives go, I often include mine un color choices for my vises and other restoration tools. More and more, in my opinion, vises are like vintage cars...you can't beat the looks.

sloppy
06-11-2013, 12:18 AM
little pipe vise.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/sloppy12/shop%20tools/vise/photobucket-53043-1370639418646_zps6f8fbb0a.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/sloppy12/shop%20tools/vise/photobucket-52030-1370639419081_zpsc1205911.jpg

zoomieport
06-11-2013, 08:29 AM
zoomie r u the guy i bought the 4 1/2" athol from on mazoo craigslist early this week? my pickup guy might not make it this weekend..... ok?????

If it's in Kalamazoo and you need a hand, I can pick it up and hang on to it until your guy can make it. He can just pick it up from me. PM me if you need a hand. Take care.

I picked it up for you Sunday, here are a couple of pics for you...

wrenchguy
06-11-2013, 09:52 AM
thanks zoom, about what vintage is it? i'll be in touch.
mike

I picked it up for you Sunday, here are a couple of pics for you...

zoomieport
06-11-2013, 10:26 AM
thanks zoom, about what vintage is it? i'll be in touch.
mike

Older than AUTOPTS!!! LOL!
I'm not sure, early 1900's...
Is that about right Nick?

Exceller8
06-11-2013, 12:38 PM
Burgerkong, what an Athol! :D

buzzdex1
06-11-2013, 03:05 PM
This may have been posted but I could not find it. "It has been my experience that folks who have no vises have very few virtues." Abraham Lincoln

EOC_Jason
06-11-2013, 03:14 PM
My Reed 1C finally came in today after USPS decided it needed to take the scenic route around Texas...

It's a little rough around the edges and the handle is bent in a couple places, nothing that can't be fixed. The jaws have plenty of bite on them so I'm happy.

Outlawmws
06-11-2013, 09:49 PM
This may have been posted but I could not find it. "It has been my experience that folks who have no vises have very few virtues." Abraham Lincoln

I like it; despite the spelling liberties! :lol;

va.grouseman
06-11-2013, 11:23 PM
My 608 Columbian
http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0360.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0360.jpg.html)

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0362.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0362.jpg.html)

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0363.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0363.jpg.html)

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0361.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0361.jpg.html)

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0358.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0358.jpg.html)

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0357.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0357.jpg.html)

This is my 608 Columbian that came from Washington state that replaced my 6 inch stationary Columbian. I'm short on room so the swivel feature is a luxury to me even though the stationaries are stronger vises. By comparison the 608 is about the same size as my 208 Reed, 31 1/2" long, and 14 1/2" high, but 111lbs. lighter. The Reed has no voids in the static and dynamic towers, but the Columbian has huge voids. So I filled them with lead, that's right lead. I slowly heated each tower so not to cause temperature shock to the metal and then I melted wheel weights and babbit led and poured it in. It took 40lbs. of led to fill the voids. Now when you peck on the vise, what used to sound like ringing a bell, now sounds like a dead blow hammer. Didn't do it for the weight, did it so not to crack or knock a hole in in a good vise.

autopts
06-12-2013, 06:59 AM
My 608 Columbian

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0357.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0357.jpg.html)
"The Reed has no voids in the static and dynamic towers, but the Columbian has huge voids. So I filled them with lead, that's right lead. I slowly heated each tower so not to cause temperature shock to the metal and then I melted wheel weights and babbit led and poured it in. It took 40lbs. of led to fill the voids. Now when you peck on the vise, what used to sound like ringing a bell, now sounds like a dead blow hammer. Didn't do it for the weight, did it so not to crack or knock a hole in in a good vise.


Larry, that's a ingenious idea as to "shutting the bell off" Great looking vise. Those jaws almost look oversize. Usually the big Columbian's. have been beat half to death. That one is a beauty. Haven't seen to many 8" Columbians on this thread, if any. Nice addition

Bret888
06-12-2013, 08:54 AM
That is a great vise, and in nice shape! It is common to try to kill the ring of anvils, but I never thought about doing it with a vise.

This is my 608 Columbian that came from Washington state that replaced my 6 inch stationary Columbian. I'm short on room so the swivel feature is a luxury to me even though the stationaries are stronger vises. By comparison the 608 is about the same size as my 208 Reed, 31 1/2" long, and 14 1/2" high, but 111lbs. lighter. The Reed has no voids in the static and dynamic towers, but the Columbian has huge voids. So I filled them with lead, that's right lead. I slowly heated each tower so not to cause temperature shock to the metal and then I melted wheel weights and babbit led and poured it in. It took 40lbs. of led to fill the voids. Now when you peck on the vise, what used to sound like ringing a bell, now sounds like a dead blow hammer. Didn't do it for the weight, did it so not to crack or knock a hole in in a good vise.[/QUOTE]

Bret888
06-12-2013, 09:25 AM
My Reed 1C finally came in today after USPS decided it needed to take the scenic route around Texas...

It's a little rough around the edges and the handle is bent in a couple places, nothing that can't be fixed. The jaws have plenty of bite on them so I'm happy.
I have a 1C that is my most often used vise, partially because of where it is mounted, and partially because I like it. It has the jaws with the dowel in the center, and I flipped them smooth side out. I usually don't want things scarred up by aggressive teeth.

I just painted a 2C. While looking at paint, I saw this textured stuff, and decided to try it. They only had one color, so it didn't take long to pick a color.
I made a stand for the 4C, since I posted on here. It consists of a cast iron wheel weight, off a McCormick W-9, 1/2" plate with pipe spacers to fit the contour, 5" box tube, and a 1" top plate. I added a piece of drawbar to the back, where it would have a mounting hole, if it was a stationary vise originally. I didn't like having just the 2 swivel mounting holes, and this clamps down hard on the back of the base.

datsbooksleia
06-12-2013, 09:31 AM
I am about to make a decision on a Parker vise purchase but i lack the knowledge to buy one. I feel attracted by them to the point that i would like to start collecting vises. I started a thread with pictures of a parker vise and would like your opinion as to what YOU would pay for it. Thanks in advance.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=204160

EOC_Jason
06-12-2013, 10:04 AM
That's cool, my 1C's jaws are not removable so I'm stuck with them as-is. I think I have some small copper jaw caps though that might fit it. As of right now it's sitting in queue to be restored.

I have a 1C that is my most often used vise, partially because of where it is mounted, and partially because I like it. It has the jaws with the dowel in the center, and I flipped them smooth side out. I usually don't want things scarred up by aggressive teeth.


Nice 2C... I'm hoping to collect a 2C & 3C eventually too... Did you ever try contacting Reed about a 6" swivel base? I think they are like $125, if you go to their website and do a search on the part number there are a few places that sell the swivel base kits.

Here is my Reed 4C Mounted (http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2851449&postcount=7115) on a big truck rim filled with concrete. It sits kind of high though, one of these days I'm going to cut out several inches to bring it down to a better working height.

I just painted a 2C. While looking at paint, I saw this textured stuff, and decided to try it. They only had one color, so it didn't take long to pick a color.
I made a stand for the 4C, since I posted on here. It consists of a cast iron wheel weight, off a McCormick W-9, 1/2" plate with pipe spacers to fit the contour, 5" box tube, and a 1" top plate. I added a piece of drawbar to the back, where it would have a mounting hole, if it was a stationary vise originally. I didn't like having just the 2 swivel mounting holes, and this clamps down hard on the back of the base.

va.grouseman
06-12-2013, 10:32 AM
Bret 888, and Eoc Jason. Gentlemen, those 4C's and stands are awesome. But I'm partial to the 4C anyway.

Bret888
06-12-2013, 10:52 AM
Nice 2C... I'm hoping to collect a 2C & 3C eventually too... Did you ever try contacting Reed about a 6" swivel base? I think they are like $125, if you go to their website and do a search on the part number there are a few places that sell the swivel base kits.

Here is my Reed 4C Mounted (http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2851449&postcount=7115) on a big truck rim filled with concrete. It sits kind of high though, one of these days I'm going to cut out several inches to bring it down to a better working height.[/QUOTE]

What if you put a smaller/shorter vise on that post, and made up a new one for the 4C?
I am not a big fan of swivels, and a post vise won't need one. I do use them to swing a bench vise out of the way, since garage space is tight though.
I have been keeping an eye out for 2&3C's, and the 2C came up last week.

rusty65
06-12-2013, 12:07 PM
I just picked up this little vise from a pawn shop for a buck. No clue on the brand but the wilton pictured with it has 3 1/2 inch jaws for size reference. I'm not sure if the images uploaded more then once if so please delete my post I tried editing it but I don't know what's happening.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/13/avu9yhyn.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/13/zeza6e7a.jpg

zoomieport
06-12-2013, 01:00 PM
Bret 888, and Eoc Jason. Gentlemen, those 4C's and stands are awesome.

^^^What he said...^^^

va.grouseman
06-12-2013, 03:51 PM
Autopts, Thanks for the kind words on the 608.

EOC_Jason
06-12-2013, 03:57 PM
That is a really cool idea. That is the one thing that bugs me about Columbian's is how they are hollow. I might have to steal your idea if I ever come across a Columbian that I have to have...

This is my 608 Columbian that came from Washington state that replaced my 6 inch stationary Columbian. I'm short on room so the swivel feature is a luxury to me even though the stationaries are stronger vises. By comparison the 608 is about the same size as my 208 Reed, 31 1/2" long, and 14 1/2" high, but 111lbs. lighter. The Reed has no voids in the static and dynamic towers, but the Columbian has huge voids. So I filled them with lead, that's right lead. I slowly heated each tower so not to cause temperature shock to the metal and then I melted wheel weights and babbit led and poured it in. It took 40lbs. of led to fill the voids. Now when you peck on the vise, what used to sound like ringing a bell, now sounds like a dead blow hammer. Didn't do it for the weight, did it so not to crack or knock a hole in in a good vise.

Nathanl_01
06-12-2013, 09:24 PM
:rocker:

ZRX61
06-12-2013, 10:35 PM
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/229248_1868004712626_5261832_n.jpg

Outlawmws
06-12-2013, 11:39 PM
These really need to be in the Tiny Tools thread guys...

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=262341&stc=1&d=1371098301

And what's a vise without a hammer and anvil? :evil:

zoomieport
06-13-2013, 11:09 AM
935 I just finished... If it didn't say 1947 on the keyway, I wouldn't believe this one was that old, almost spotless...
P.S. I remembered the "serrations" this time Kevin! HAHA!

KMScott
06-13-2013, 11:22 AM
935 I just finished... If it didn't say 1947 on the keyway, I wouldn't believe this one was that old, almost spotless...
P.S. I remembered the "serrations" this time Kevin! HAHA!

Wow, really nice, I bet those jaws are at least 56 R/C to still look that good for over 55 years. Nice Job Zoomie on the vise restoration. If only mine could last that long.

Kevin

Mark in Indiana
06-13-2013, 07:33 PM
These really need to be in the Tiny Tools thread guys...

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=262341&stc=1&d=1371098301

And what's a vise without a hammer and anvil? :evil:

I thought I would chime in on this one: In the picture, my largest vise is holding my littlest vise (a Starrett pin vise). Interesting that both vises were manufactured in Athol, Mass. and they are my oldest and newest vises.

The anvil is a lead one that I sand casted in an 8th grade industrial arts class, back in the days when dinosaurs roamed the earth. I can imagine that allowing children to work with casting lead these days, would go over like a "lead phart".

zoomieport
06-13-2013, 07:37 PM
Wow, really nice, I bet those jaws are at least 56 R/C to still look that good for over 55 years. Nice Job Zoomie on the vise restoration. If only mine could last that long.

Kevin

Thank you! To be honest, this one was easy, just a straight "strip and paint", it was super clean, except for the coat red latex house paint on it (maybe it has special vise potective powers???)... If it didn't say Chicago on the side and '47 on the slide, I would have guessed mid '80's... I think this one might go to Ebay though, I've got too many 3-1/2" somehow, haha... Take care!

ZOOM

zoomieport
06-13-2013, 07:38 PM
"lead phart".

HAHAHAHAHAHA! I still love a good fart joke!

zoomieport
06-13-2013, 08:14 PM
IT'S TIME TO PLAY EVERYBODY'S FAVORITE FUN GAME!!!!.... "WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?" It's where I show you a vise and you tell me what the hell it is!!! But beware gentlemen... This ain't Hollywood and I ain't Alex Trebek, because I don't know the answers!!! If everyone likes this game, I've got a couple more that might be fun to try to figure out, let me know...

This vise is a "Bulletesque" piece with 2-1/2" jaws. It is sitting next to a 2-1/2" Wilton. The only marking on it is "Pat. Pend" on the tail. Speaking of the tail, WOW is it pointed! And the base, never seen anything like it. The jaw towers are different, the collar looks like a Wilton, I could go on and on... It's up to you fine gentlemen to supply America with the answers they hunger for!!! Be brave and sound off like you've got a pair!!!

ZOOM

zoomieport
06-13-2013, 08:16 PM
I thought I would chime in on this one: In the picture, my largest vise is holding my littlest vise (a Starrett pin vise). Interesting that both vises were manufactured in Athol, Mass. and they are my oldest and newest vises.

The anvil is a lead one that I sand casted in an 8th grade industrial arts class, back in the days when dinosaurs roamed the earth. I can imagine that allowing children to work with casting lead these days, would go over like a "lead phart".

My smallest vise, sitting on top of a BABY bullet...

EOC_Jason
06-13-2013, 08:22 PM
Hmmm... They probably never got the patent because Wilton had it... ;)

Very cool though. Have you taken it apart yet?

zoomieport
06-13-2013, 08:42 PM
Hmmm... They probably never got the patent because Wilton had it... ;)

Very cool though. Have you taken it apart yet?

No, not yet... I've had it for a while now, it just gnaws at me not knowing what it is...:headscrat

zoomieport
06-13-2013, 08:43 PM
No, not yet... I've had it for a while now, it just gnaws at me not knowing what it is...:headscrat

Well... I've taken the dynamic jaw off, but not the main nut.

va.grouseman
06-13-2013, 09:03 PM
Zoomie, It looks like a converted 5" Navy destroyer round. Unique.

autopts
06-13-2013, 10:20 PM
Older than AUTOPTS!!! LOL!
I'm not sure, early 1900's...
Is that about right Nick?

Gee thanks. Yeah, I think your in the proximity in years...with me and that Athol!

shiftdrift
06-14-2013, 05:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v0WJJYoMAQ


review on my wilton 674

zoomieport
06-14-2013, 07:47 AM
Gee thanks. Yeah, I think your in the proximity in years...with me and that Athol!

I joke because I care... Plus I knew you could take the heat!

JWC07
06-14-2013, 10:28 AM
Finally scored a good vise at an estate sale.

Reed No. 1C. Perfect shape other than light rust/barn dirt/paint overspray. Don't look like it's ever seen a hammer or really been used much.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/fiddlefarter07/2573AA33-4064-4339-91FA-41C5B273E873-3248-000005669B624B0C_zps60f33378.jpg

. They said 3-4 people tried to get it off yesterday but couldn't. Square nuts rusted onto carriage bolts. Easy enough, I returned with a hammer, chisel, nut splitter, and crescent wrench this morning when they opened and promptly removed it from them.
Cost $20 + $9.99 for a nut splitter from auto zone. And I got a SK Ratchet, couple of files, a hacksaw, a ball peen hammer, and a TN flag for an extra $6.

EOC_Jason
06-14-2013, 10:57 AM
LOL, sounds like you were on a mission. I probably would of just offered to buy the whole table... hehe... Good score, got to love those Reed's..

BlindViper
06-14-2013, 12:54 PM
Finally scored a good vise at an estate sale.

Reed No. 1C. Perfect shape other than light rust/barn dirt/paint overspray. Don't look like it's ever seen a hammer or really been used much.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/fiddlefarter07/2573AA33-4064-4339-91FA-41C5B273E873-3248-000005669B624B0C_zps60f33378.jpg

. They said 3-4 people tried to get it off yesterday but couldn't. Square nuts rusted onto carriage bolts. Easy enough, I returned with a hammer, chisel, nut splitter, and crescent wrench this morning when they opened and promptly removed it from them.
Cost $20 + $9.99 for a nut splitter from auto zone. And I got a SK Ratchet, couple of files, a hacksaw, a ball peen hammer, and a TN flag for an extra $6.

I had a similar issue with the columbian 505 I got. There were tearing down the building and no one could get the vise loose. I grabbed a sledge and "dismantled" the bench. :)

balane
06-14-2013, 01:21 PM
Here's an old Craftsman No. 5180 vise back from the scrap pile. It was manufactured by Reed in 1947. The jaws are 3 1/2" and the weight is 31 pounds. It's very well made obviously. Had to steal the badge from my drill press because the one it came with was beat to crap and beyond saving.

.

JWC07
06-14-2013, 01:44 PM
They wouldn't sell me the top or the whole bench. That's the first thing I tried yesterday.
I wanted it too. It was on about a 6' long 2' wide 4" thick of hunk of rough cut oak. It would've been a nice piece of lumber to have.

I think I'm gonna keep this nut splitter in the truck from now on just in case I run across anything else like this. I have another one at home but I just couldn't find it.

Bret888
06-14-2013, 04:29 PM
They wouldn't sell me the top or the whole bench. That's the first thing I tried yesterday.
I wanted it too. It was on about a 6' long 2' wide 4" thick of hunk of rough cut oak. It would've been a nice piece of lumber to have.

I think I'm gonna keep this nut splitter in the truck from now on just in case I run across anything else like this. I have another one at home but I just couldn't find it.

Good job! You got a great vise for next to nothing!

RustyJoints
06-14-2013, 07:45 PM
Let me tell you about my Wilton vice. This guy comes to me though my father. He passed away 20 years ago. This was the vice I grew up on. It was always mounted on the heavy steel bench my father built. This is the vice I used to learn how to cut, drill, file, tap and shape metal. All under my fathers watchful eye.
Today, I decided to remove this vice from the wobbly workbench its been mounted to and give it a proper home perched on top of some half inch plate I recently acquired. While I was working on its new home I had a chance to think about all I have learned using it and what it means to me and hundreds of others.
I think the most important lessons taught to me, had nothing to do with the specific operation to be learned that day. It was more about pride of workmanship. Enjoy the satisfaction of a job well done even if no one but you will ever see it. Taking ones time and enjoying the task at hand and spending time with my dad.
I remember the day my dad taught me how to drill a hole. He clamped a piece of quarter inch plate in this vice, handed me a three eighth inch drill bit and told me he would pay me a nickel for every hole I could drill. I remember him saying’” If you want I can show you how.”
That was a lot of money to an eight year old. I thought “easy money” and got to work as fast as I could drilling holes. I didn't have time to learn and I knew how to drill. Hit the trigger and push.
By my second or third hole the going slowed as the bit dulled. By the fifth or sixth the bit was smoking and getting red from the heat it was producing. I don't think I made it to seven. I am sure the last hole must have been painful for my father to watch as I wore though the last of the plate and destroyed that bit.
Then, my dad took the time to explain the right way to sharpen a bit, how to tighten a bit in a chuck what feed speed and tip speed is and what heat treating metal is. How to listen to the bit and read the chips. Along with the many other steps to properly drill a hole. “Slower is faster” It’s a lesson I have never forgotten.
I am a college professor I teach automotive and now I am the watchful eye. I teach the same lessons the same way I was taught.
When I use this vice I feel my father I hear his voice and I feel the comfort of his watchful eye. As can be seen in the picture I still haven't drilled all the mounting holes. I think Ill take it slow.

Carguy, Google brought me here (surfing valuations for my 30-year old like-new Craftsman 4" swivel-base vise) but I joined just to say your May2012 story touched something deep inside. Despite my father being the DIY/Harry Homeowner-type, he lacked the patience or interest for teaching me anything, offering no guidance nor even a pat on the back if I figured something out for myself, but lots of criticism if I bent a nail or dripped some paint. OTOH, for 2-weeks every year I got to visit my grandparents in the mid-West, and my granddad WAS that sorta teacher to which you alluded.
Now, I'm older than my granddad was, yet I fondly remember his sage advice and the time he spent with me. Guys with young kids should print your story out and hang on their workshop wall as a reminder that they are best remembered for what they teach, and how they teach it.

Chris98006
06-15-2013, 12:25 AM
Does anyone know the story on these? I know they're from England and weren't made too long. Thoughts?


Scored a Paramo No. 4 from Craigslist today. My first real "vice"!

Outlawmws
06-15-2013, 12:33 AM
Does anyone know the story on these? I know they're from England and weren't made too long. Thoughts?

Paramo was one of several vise factories "spun off" record during WWII so if the Germans bombed out the record factory it wouldn't stop all production. Woden was another I believe. Very good vises and same/similar design as the records. I have a 6" Paramo. heavy mother. I also have a smaller Woden

ZRX61
06-15-2013, 12:59 AM
I also have a smaller Woden

Have you considered surgical enhancement?
:D

Outlawmws
06-15-2013, 01:03 AM
Have you considered surgical enhancement?
:D

Well, "smaller" is all a matter of perspective. It still weight about 20 lbs... :pimpflash


:p

Filson
06-15-2013, 01:22 AM
Picked this up for $15 this morning at a yard sale.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/62276422@N04/9045944650/" title="Full Vise Coke by Velchosus, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3702/9045944650_82dc27f91b.jpg" width="500" height="282" alt="Full Vise Coke"></a>

Big Pete
06-15-2013, 09:09 AM
something a little bit different for you guys. This one is an English made vise, The company is still going and tells me its pre '55, I hauled it out of the mud in an industrial scrapyard 25 years ago for £20 when I was a penniless student as my first big bench vise.

after a recent tidy up
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a116/GarageofPower/tools%20n%20stuff/100_0391.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/GarageofPower/media/tools%20n%20stuff/100_0391.jpg.html)

before - note it worked fine like this for at least 10 years
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a116/GarageofPower/tools%20n%20stuff/100_0287.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/GarageofPower/media/tools%20n%20stuff/100_0287.jpg.html)

This one is a bit oddball, no name or number that I can find, looks purpose designed to hold round/square stock, couldn't resist it, haven't had a chance to use it in anger yet.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a116/GarageofPower/tools%20n%20stuff/100_0394.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/GarageofPower/media/tools%20n%20stuff/100_0394.jpg.html)

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a116/GarageofPower/tools%20n%20stuff/100_0395.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/GarageofPower/media/tools%20n%20stuff/100_0395.jpg.html)

Big Pete
06-15-2013, 09:10 AM
Damn, pictures came out huge! not sure why???

zoomieport
06-15-2013, 01:05 PM
Damn, pictures came out huge! not sure why???

BIG Pete,
Those are both cool!
The red one reminds me of something Emmert might make...
How big is the blue one? How big of stock can it hold? It looks like the main screw and two guide bars are offset to let the material pass through, but it's tough to see from the angle of the picture. Could you take another picture from straight in front of it, maybe with something in it for size reference (I suppose a tape measure would work too... haha)?
Cool stuff!!!
ZOOM

zoomieport
06-15-2013, 01:12 PM
Damn, pictures came out huge! not sure why???

Heck, while you are at it... Add a picture of the other side of the red one?

To make pics easier to upload...
right click on them-
open them in "Microsoft Paint"-
on the top left is a "resize" icon, click it-
there will be a choice, percent or pixel, click pixel-
there will be 2 numbers that come up, reset the larger number to 600 pixels (or so) the other number will self adjust -
save and post to Garage Journal!...

Thanks!!!
ZOOM

thundermug
06-15-2013, 03:12 PM
Balane: I have that same vise, but it's missing the Craftsman badge. The action is super smooth. Probably my favorite vise. And for $20!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/183897_605663913322_214273033_n.jpg

neophyte
06-15-2013, 03:13 PM
something a little bit different for you guys. This one is an English made vise, The company is still going and tells me its pre '55, I hauled it out of the mud in an industrial scrapyard 25 years ago for £20 when I was a penniless student as my first big bench vise.

before - note it worked fine like this for at least 10 years

This one is a bit oddball, no name or number that I can find, looks purpose designed to hold round/square stock, couldn't resist it, haven't had a chance to use it in anger yet.

Nice Vices! I presume the red vise is a Swindens. From what I understand the current Swindens vises cost a fortune.

The second vise appears to have offset jaws. I suppose when combined with the swivel jaws with the various profiles it works excellently for clamping round and square stock vertically.

Mark in Indiana
06-15-2013, 03:59 PM
Greetings Vise Friends,

Attached are some pictures of a vise that I bought at a yard sale this morning. Anybody have an idea who made it?

Thanks in advance.

Kevin54
06-15-2013, 04:04 PM
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a116/GarageofPower/tools%20n%20stuff/100_0395.jpg

Now that is one handy universal vise!!! I'd love to have that.

Outlawmws
06-15-2013, 04:18 PM
Big Pete: Great Vises!

Mark, I have one with similar "V" markings, (V6/V7...) and similar styling. Mine is a Lake Side (two words) Mine opens abnormally wide for a vise it's size (3" jaws, and easily opens to 4-1/2", more if I push it ), which is how if found it's way to my welding bench.

Mark in Indiana
06-15-2013, 06:41 PM
Here's a little Pony vise that I picked for $2. It's surprisingly robust for a Chinese vise.

Mark in Indiana
06-15-2013, 06:59 PM
Big Pete: Great Vises!

Mark, I have one with similar "V" markings, (V6/V7...) and similar styling. Mine is a Lake Side (two words) Mine opens abnormally wide for a vise it's size (3" jaws, and easily opens to 4-1/2", more if I push it ), which is how if found it's way to my welding bench.

Thanks Outlaw.

toomanytoyzz
06-15-2013, 07:36 PM
Very cool design for securing the jaws. Sometimes the screws can be a bugger to get out if they are just threaded. Awesome job on the resto as well:thumbup:!! What does it weigh (please convert to lbs.:pimpflash)?

Big Pete
06-16-2013, 07:55 AM
Nice Vices! I presume the red vise is a Swindens. From what I understand the current Swindens vises cost a fortune.

The second vise appears to have offset jaws. I suppose when combined with the swivel jaws with the various profiles it works excellently for clamping round and square stock vertically.

Yep, the red one is a Swinden, retail for the same model is currently £1120+20% tax over here, ~$2k. If I ever get the big lottery win I'll match it up with a 2" and a 4" one, because they are excellent.

The Swindens is lighter than you might expect, maybe 125lbs or so, some of the sections are fairly thin. The British Army is a big user apparently, and if they survive that I doubt I'll ever break mine.

The little blue one has a range of grooves, so it's good from ~1/2" up to 1 1/2". I want to mount it on a tilting mount eventually, because it's excellent for fishmouthing tube, it holds really tight with no risk of flattening the tube section.

EOC_Jason
06-16-2013, 10:36 AM
Spraying my Parker 974-1/2B, I decided on "Black Night Metallic" since the Hammered Verde Green doesn't exist in this town and I didn't feel like ordering it because I'm impatient...

This color turned out to be very cool. I was always in envy of Autopts' Parker, the attached picture of the fully assembled Parker was one he sold.

This color came in (relatively) close to giving it a dark raw metal look. It's hard to photograph right now because it's right on the edge of direct sunlight. I still have to paint the underside of the base but then it will be done! I used an entire can on just one vise! It took 2 coats to give it good solid cover, and I did a 3rd just because. I'm kind of regretting that because I hope I don't run out of paint for the base!

zoomieport
06-16-2013, 11:09 AM
Spraying my Parker 974-1/2B, I decided on "Black Night Metallic" since the Hammered Verde Green doesn't exist in this town and I didn't feel like ordering it because I'm impatient...

This color turned out to be very cool. I was always in envy of Autopts' Parker, the attached picture of the fully assembled Parker was one he sold.

This color came in (relatively) close to giving it a dark raw metal look. It's hard to photograph right now because it's right on the edge of direct sunlight. I still have to paint the underside of the base but then it will be done! I used an entire can on just one vise! It took 2 coats to give it good solid cover, and I did a 3rd just because. I'm kind of regretting that because I hope I don't run out of paint for the base!

Very cool color! Nice job!:thumbup:

Mark in Indiana
06-16-2013, 01:51 PM
Spraying my Parker 974-1/2B, I decided on "Black Night Metallic" since the Hammered Verde Green doesn't exist in this town and I didn't feel like ordering it because I'm impatient...

This color turned out to be very cool. I was always in envy of Autopts' Parker, the attached picture of the fully assembled Parker was one he sold.

This color came in (relatively) close to giving it a dark raw metal look. It's hard to photograph right now because it's right on the edge of direct sunlight. I still have to paint the underside of the base but then it will be done! I used an entire can on just one vise! It took 2 coats to give it good solid cover, and I did a 3rd just because. I'm kind of regretting that because I hope I don't run out of paint for the base!

The color looks great! I did a vise with blue metallic and had a lot of trouble with chipping. As far as prep, spray conditions and technique, I did nothing different than any of my other tool repaints. Is your metallic paint adhering to the vise well?

EOC_Jason
06-16-2013, 01:59 PM
The color looks great! I did a vise with blue metallic and had a lot of trouble with chipping. As far as prep, spray conditions and technique, I did nothing different than any of my other tool repaints. Is your metallic paint adhering to the vise well?

Yeah it's adhering fine. I blasted it to bare metal, put two coats of primer, and pretty much 3 coats of paint. I was painting the underside of the base shaking the can and saying "come on, just a little more paint, you can do it!" I literally had *just enough*.... I noticed it doesn't coat nearly as well as the hammered paints or even the regular colors... Dunno why...

I let it sit in the sunlight for a bit to heat up some before priming & painting. Then after about 30 min I close my warehouse door. This metallic paint dries fast, but I'm sure it will take a couple days to fully cure. Once it's dry enough to move I usually put it under my workbench inside for a week before I mess with anything (and I did the same between priming & painting).

Mark in Indiana
06-16-2013, 02:42 PM
Yeah it's adhering fine. I blasted it to bare metal, put two coats of primer, and pretty much 3 coats of paint. I was painting the underside of the base shaking the can and saying "come on, just a little more paint, you can do it!" I literally had *just enough*.... I noticed it doesn't coat nearly as well as the hammered paints or even the regular colors... Dunno why...

I let it sit in the sunlight for a bit to heat up some before priming & painting. Then after about 30 min I close my warehouse door. This metallic paint dries fast, but I'm sure it will take a couple days to fully cure. Once it's dry enough to move I usually put it under my workbench inside for a week before I mess with anything (and I did the same between priming & painting).

I think the spray can metal flake has something to do with it. The vise that I shot with the metallic blue was darker on the moving jaw. Fortunately, it's a folk art project and will not have any vise use.

My best luck with paints was with Rustoleum Hard Hat floor striping paint and 3 coats of gloss clear coat. Unfortunately, there aren't too many color choices. That's why my daily work vises are all red.

EOC_Jason
06-16-2013, 02:52 PM
My best luck with paints was with Rustoleum Hard Hat floor striping paint and 3 coats of gloss clear coat. Unfortunately, there aren't too many color choices. That's why my daily work vises are all red.

I think the "Rust-Oleum Professional High Performance Enamel Spray" (The taller silver cans) are a lot more durable than their regular stuff, and forget the "Painters Touch" ones. In fact, the one vise that I use the most that I painted Gloss Black with the high-perf spray hasn't chipped at all, can't say the same for my 4C with the hammered gray...

coolreed
06-17-2013, 06:21 AM
http://i1259.photobucket.com/albums/ii551/coolreed/ReedsTurtleVise2_zpsfebef6a5.jpg

I finally finished the restoration of my Emmert Turtle Vise and found a place to mount it. The two front dogs were broken so I made new ones from brass stock. The Turtle Vise works great and will make a great addition to my garage.

:3gears:

zoomieport
06-17-2013, 11:14 AM
I finally finished the restoration of my Emmert Turtle Vise and found a place to mount it. The two front dogs were broken so I made new ones from brass stock. The Turtle Vise works great and will make a great addition to my garage.

:3gears:

WOW, the Holy Grail... Well done, I am jealous!

coolreed
06-17-2013, 02:51 PM
Don't be,..that beast whooped me good during the installation. As I had no assistance.

zoomieport
06-18-2013, 06:18 AM
Here's one for "The Journal", a little vise history...

Big Pete
06-18-2013, 06:39 AM
cool vise! Love the built in anvil, or maybe it's a built in vise. :lol:

WQ59B
06-18-2013, 07:06 AM
Snagged from the family cabin sold this year, 3.5-in jaws ~

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/balthazar59/eBay/DSC02544_zps211f91a1.jpg

ryan t
06-18-2013, 09:26 AM
Can anyone give me any info on this vise? I came across it last week. Swivels 360 degrees horizontal and 90 degrees verticle. Smooth face says machinist vise but it doesn't have any markings or anything. Has two metal notches screwed into the bottom for mounting but those can be removed. Any info would be appreciated. Weighs about ~35 pounds.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/rsthayer/vise2_zps0c4a0780.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/rsthayer/vise1_zps7a380e0a.jpg

EOC_Jason
06-18-2013, 10:07 AM
OMG, that has to be the smallest swivel jaw vise I have ever seen. Do you know what brand it is?

va.grouseman
06-18-2013, 10:16 AM
Small salesman Prentiss. In good shape, just needs refurbishing. This is my smallest.

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0409.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0409.jpg.html)

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0405.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0405.jpg.html)

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0407.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0407.jpg.html)

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0406.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0406.jpg.html)

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0408.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0408.jpg.html)

va.grouseman
06-18-2013, 10:25 AM
EOC Jason. Sorry about deleting the first posting. Still getting used to the process. Sorry about the poor quality pictures to. Too much glare. Cheap camera.

toomanytoyzz
06-18-2013, 10:42 AM
Keeping it in the realm of small guys here. My wife got me this one for Father's Day:rocker:!! It's on its way to my locale thanks to the USPS!!

EOC_Jason
06-18-2013, 10:43 AM
So YOU are the one that out-bid me on eBay for that... *grumble*

toomanytoyzz
06-18-2013, 11:15 AM
So YOU are the one that out-bid me on eBay for that... *grumble*

That's too funny!! I was thinking someone on this site was probably bidding.

I don't want to rub salt in the wound, but that was my max bid:evil:.

EOC_Jason
06-18-2013, 11:45 AM
That's too funny!! I was thinking someone on this site was probably bidding.

I don't want to rub salt in the wound, but that was my max bid:evil:.

I bid a little higher than I wanted to. You never know what those things will go for, that one was relatively cheap compared to others recently!

I'm just glad it went to a fellow GJ member.

RatchetMan
06-18-2013, 12:22 PM
Small salesman Prentiss. In good shape, just needs refurbishing. This is my smallest.

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0409.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0409.jpg.html)

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0405.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0405.jpg.html)

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0407.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0407.jpg.html)

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0406.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0406.jpg.html)

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0408.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0408.jpg.html)

It's your vise but since it's more of a collectible that a vise you'd use, I'd leave it alone.

zoomieport
06-18-2013, 12:31 PM
EOC Jason got me motivated with all that big Reed (the vises, not the dude, lol!) talk late last week, so I decided to do my 4C. I've had it for quite a while, been sitting in the "waiting room", just waiting... Then, thanks to Jason, I sprung into action! One case of "Black Lung" later, here she is... (and there she'll stay until I get some help to move the pig...)

MAN... REED MAKES ONE DAMN FINE VISE!!!

Like Grandpa always said... "Beat it 'till it bleeds, then beat it for bleeding"!

Party Down!!!

ZOOM

p.s... I remembered the jaws Kevin...

SweetD
06-18-2013, 12:32 PM
Small salesman Prentiss. In good shape, just needs refurbishing.

That's not a salesman's sample. That's an actual model - a jeweler's vise.

If it were me I would not touch that patina - just oil it up some and keep it 'as-is' - they are pretty rare -

Dave

zoomieport
06-18-2013, 12:38 PM
It's your vise but since it's more of a collectible that a vise you'd use, I'd leave it alone.

I agree... But you wouldn't believe how precise, stout and well made those tiny Prentiss's are. I could see a finely skilled craftsman using one daily. Of course, if there were any signs of abuse to show up, I would be forced to thrash him!
They made a stationary one too... I think gatewaysysops has one, but I'm not sure... They are neat!

zoomieport
06-18-2013, 12:47 PM
Small salesman Prentiss. In good shape, just needs refurbishing. This is my smallest.

By the way, I am pretty darned sure that vise is Nickle plated, seriously...

I wouldn't take the "wire wheel" to it...:willy_nil

zoomieport
06-18-2013, 01:08 PM
I couldn't resist, since I already had the big Reed out...

Grouseman's is in much better shape than mine, but it's still one of my favorites...

EOC_Jason
06-18-2013, 01:10 PM
Very nice zoomie, that color looks really good on the 4C.

That's cool how yours has the same little raised tabs in the casting on the side as mine.

How many vises do you have in the "waiting room"? Do you hold the nation's tactical stockpile of classic vises in case of WWIII?

zoomieport
06-18-2013, 01:21 PM
Very nice zoomie, that color looks really good on the 4C.

That's cool how yours has the same little raised tabs in the casting on the side as mine.

How many vises do you have in the "waiting room"? Do you hold the nation's tactical stockpile of classic vises in case of WWIII?

Thanks Jason! Your 4C is sweet as well...

As far as how many vises I have... I don't honestly know... 100 maybe...?

I've sold a bunch in the last year (got some new ones too...), Phy6 bought a sweet Prentiss #23, two 6" Parkers and a nice sized Reed (at least I think that's what he bought...?) last year, and I've sold BRAX several Wiltons over the last couple of years, then sold a few on Craigslist and Ebay, gave a few away as gifts... Probably around 100 or so left, I'll go with that...!!!

No wife, no kids, no rules...

ZOOM

Outlawmws
06-18-2013, 01:48 PM
Zommie! that's a GREAT anvil Vise! I like it (Unique too!)

BUT do you own it? :confused:

Outlawmws
06-18-2013, 01:51 PM
That's a GREAT little vise WQ59B! I like that it has a machinists slide on it!

Does that decal say Athol or something else?

Outlawmws
06-18-2013, 01:52 PM
Definitely a Machinists Angle vise Ryan, other than that I can't help. Sorry.

Any angle graduations on the sides?

Outlawmws
06-18-2013, 01:57 PM
Small salesman Prentiss. In good shape, just needs refurbishing. This is my smallest.

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0409.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0409.jpg.html)

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0405.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0405.jpg.html)

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0407.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0407.jpg.html)

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0406.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0406.jpg.html)

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0408.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0408.jpg.html)

Yousuck and I think I hate you, I don't even care what you paid for it... ;)

:evil:

zoomieport
06-18-2013, 02:08 PM
Zommie! that's a GREAT anvil Vise! I like it (Unique too!)

BUT do you own it? :confused:

Yes, it's mine... I've had it for a few years.

Outlawmws
06-18-2013, 02:17 PM
Yes, it's mine... I've had it for a few years.

Cool! No wonder the wind blows in your direction so often! :evil:

zoomieport
06-18-2013, 02:20 PM
Cool! No wonder the wind blows in your direction so often! :evil:

No... It's because Ohio State is SE of us, major suckage... :evil:

Low Friction
06-18-2013, 02:28 PM
Here's my tiny Prentiss 1-3/4" jaw vise. Fixed base swivel jaw.

EOC_Jason
06-18-2013, 03:38 PM
Hey Zoomie, I found a sign you need.....

www.ebay.com/itm/181160697380

Lump
06-18-2013, 04:08 PM
Great anvil vise, Zoomie. Nice, nice, nice.

zoomieport
06-18-2013, 04:34 PM
Hey Zoomie, I found a sign you need.....

www.ebay.com/itm/181160697380

It would be a crowded house...

zoomieport
06-18-2013, 04:44 PM
Great anvil vise, Zoomie. Nice, nice, nice.

Thanks Lump!

Here's the link to datamp for this one...

http://www.datamp.org/patents/displayPatent.php?pn=240217&id=27016

This one was easy, patent date on it and all...

But, I still have ONE (or two...)MORE vise(s) that is(are) a TOTAL MYSTERY.... No markings on it at all and I have searched and searched patent records for it, nothing... I've posted it before here before, no luck...

I like the Wilton's, Parkers and so on... but I like the weird ones too...

va.grouseman
06-18-2013, 11:14 PM
Eoc Jason,---toomanytoyzz,---RatchetMan,---SweetD,---Zoomie,---Outlawmws, Thank you gentlemen for the info, advise, and positive feed on the Prentiss. I thought all miniatures were samplers, (salesmen's toys). I'm going to leave it just like it is.
Zoomie---Another beautiful 4C. You guys are killing me with those 4Cs. The only downside is yaw are making them to pretty to use.
Toomanytoyzz---If the vises keep getting smaller, soon we'll be looking at a white page assuming we're looking at a vise.

EOC_Jason
06-19-2013, 07:35 AM
Zoomie---Another beautiful 4C. You guys are killing me with those 4Cs. The only downside is yaw are making them to pretty to use.

My 4C gets used all the time. It has a few scratches in the paint but that's life. It's also kind of the reason I left the handle with the old patina on it, cuz when I'm using it my hands are usually all nasty and dirty and if I had polished it to a high shine then I would have to keep cleaning it off after ever use. ;)

zoomieport
06-19-2013, 08:41 AM
Both of the vises I use the most are pieces of poop! The two I use the most are a Morgan #135 with the swivel base welded to the base and a 5" Hollands with the swivel welded solid also... The rest are just for "viewing", lol!

zoomieport
06-19-2013, 09:11 AM
Does anyone have a Wilton 300S that they would like to trade for a Wilton 9400 with swivel base? PM me if interested.... or if anyone has a nice 300S for sale PM me. I know this isn't the "classified" section, but this is a little better audience for my inquiry... Thanks!

Kevin54
06-19-2013, 12:03 PM
Can anyone give me any info on this vise? I came across it last week. Swivels 360 degrees horizontal and 90 degrees verticle. Smooth face says machinist vise but it doesn't have any markings or anything. Has two metal notches screwed into the bottom for mounting but those can be removed. Any info would be appreciated. Weighs about ~35 pounds.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/rsthayer/vise2_zps0c4a0780.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/rsthayer/vise1_zps7a380e0a.jpg

That looks to be a vise for a mill. And it looks to be a nice vise at that. Are there no markings at all on it? It could possibly be a Palmgren but I sort of doubt that.

Found it. It looks like this Interstate 4" double angle vise http://www.industryrecycles.com/interstate-4-jaw-width-swivel-base-double-angle-milling-machine-vise-p-232760.html

http://www.industryrecycles.com/images/65/190814541165.JPG

Kevin54
06-19-2013, 12:11 PM
I have a question for some when restoring your vises. How many think it should go back to the original color when made? I have a Desmond Stephens vise and am just now stripping it down. The original color is some sort of shitty green. I'm going to repaint it in a high gloss red. One thing I did find out about it is that, although fairly heavy duty, the Desmond vise has some pretty crappy casting in areas. The front and back are fairly smooth, the sides have texture to them, then other places you can see where they cut the lugs off of the castings and it really tacky looking. To make it look really good would take days of sanding to finesse it in, so I may go with a high build primer before painting. I'll post up a couple of pics here shortly

http://www.imageshack.com/scaled/large/534/z8ut.jpg

http://www.imageshack.com/scaled/large/819/4oi3.jpg

http://www.imageshack.com/scaled/large/822/1sf9.jpg

http://www.imageshack.com/scaled/large/809/b1iy.jpg

http://www.imageshack.com/scaled/large/839/g6e9.jpg

http://www.imageshack.com/scaled/large/507/yz08.jpg

http://www.imageshack.com/scaled/large/713/od8p.jpg

http://www.imageshack.com/scaled/large/832/01wv.jpg

bluebolt
06-19-2013, 12:12 PM
That's a GREAT little vise WQ59B! I like that it has a machinists slide on it!

Does that decal say Athol or something else?

Looks like it says "Luther"

Steve V.
06-19-2013, 01:34 PM
I have a question for some when restoring your vises. How many think it should go back to the original color when made? I have a Desmond Stephens vise and am just now stripping it down. The original color is some sort of shitty green. I'm going to repaint it in a high gloss red. One thing I did find out about it is that, although fairly heavy duty, the Desmond vise has some pretty crappy casting in areas. The front and back are fairly smooth, the sides have texture to them, then other places you can see where they cut the lugs off of the castings and it really tacky looking. To make it look really good would take days of sanding to finesse it in, so I may go with a high build primer before painting. I'll post up a couple of pics here shortly.

What some of the guys on the Old Woodworking Machines site do is use Bondo to fill in any rough areas before paint. Depending on how much you're going to "beat" on that vise it might work for you.

Steve

EOC_Jason
06-19-2013, 01:40 PM
Instead of Bondo, I've used JBWeld a couple times and it has turned out very nice. It does shrink a bit, but it's easy to sand down and can really take a beating.

EOC_Jason
06-19-2013, 01:43 PM
Okay, finally put together my Union Parker 974-1/2B... Waiting on the sticker to arrive for the other side, but other than that it's good to go!

I really like the color. Kind of wish I put a clear coat on over this but oh well... It's hard to photograph black, the camera keeps wanting to over-expose it.

Kevin54
06-19-2013, 01:46 PM
What some of the guys on the Old Woodworking Machines site do is use Bondo to fill in any rough areas before paint. Depending on how much you're going to "beat" on that vise it might work for you.

Steve

It's not going to get "beat on" too much. I'm not doing any heavy work where I'll have to hit on the vise any. I was surprised though that the jaws that are in it are hardened. One has a chip out of the top, so I'm going to take a carbide end mill and surface it off. I wish I had a surface grinder to resurface them. They have a couple of "Vees" through them to hold round stock.

Also, I put in an e-mail to Desmond Stephans to see if I can find any info out as to when they quit making vises, how many different vise styles they made, and so on. They are right here in my town, so I'll see if I hear anything back, and if I do I'll post it up on here. :thumbup:

EOC_Jason
06-19-2013, 02:29 PM
I have this old ad I grabbed somewhere. I think it's the only Desmond ad I've seen... I'm sure someone else out there might have some more...

zoomieport
06-19-2013, 02:56 PM
okay, finally put together my union parker 974-1/2b... Waiting on the sticker to arrive for the other side, but other than that it's good to go!

I really like the color. Kind of wish i put a clear coat on over this but oh well... It's hard to photograph black, the camera keeps wanting to over-expose it.

well done sir!

Kevin54
06-19-2013, 03:06 PM
I have this old ad I grabbed somewhere. I think it's the only Desmond ad I've seen... I'm sure someone else out there might have some more...

That's interesting and thanks for posting it. The number on mine is 42GPS.

I hope I hear back from them concerning vises

cclfn
06-19-2013, 05:54 PM
Hey EOC Jason,

"I have this old ad I grabbed somewhere. I think it's the only Desmond ad I've seen... I'm sure someone else out there might have some more..."


That's my vise in a 61S I just picked up. Could I talk you into sending me a copy of that add to go with my vise?

and I like the Parker without the clear coat not that it matters but I think its more "Industrial"
Thanks,
Wes

cclfn
06-19-2013, 06:03 PM
That's interesting and thanks for posting it. The number on mine is 42GPS.

I hope I hear back from them concerning vises

Kevin, great job on the Desmond and let us know if they tell you anything about their vises.
Thanks,
Wes

EOC_Jason
06-19-2013, 07:03 PM
That's my vise in a 61S I just picked up. Could I talk you into sending me a copy of that add to go with my vise?

I don't have the original. I meant I grabbed the image somewhere (probably an eBay listing)... Sorry.


P.S. Not an hour after finishing the Parker I already started taking apart the Reed 1C... My god that thing is FILTHY! I think I need to just soak the whole thing in a tub of simple green.... Also got a Reed 104 in the mail today and had to at least clean the jaws and give a once over... :)

zoomieport
06-19-2013, 07:29 PM
P.S. Not an hour after finishing the Parker I already started taking apart the Reed 1C... My god that thing is FILTHY! I think I need to just soak the whole thing in a tub of simple green.... Also got a Reed 104 in the mail today and had to at least clean the jaws and give a once over... :)

And just how many vises are in YOUR "waiting room", Sir?
HAHAHAHAHA!:thumbup:

va.grouseman
06-19-2013, 07:49 PM
Here's my tiny Prentiss 1-3/4" jaw vise. Fixed base swivel jaw.

Nice little Prentiss, Low Friction. I'd like to find a stationary like that to have a matched pair. I fail to see how you could get any service out of a vise that small. I can see a child getting a lot of use out of it.

EOC_Jason
06-19-2013, 07:56 PM
And just how many vises are in YOUR "waiting room", Sir?
HAHAHAHAHA!:thumbup:

Sadly just the two... But I'm trying... :bowdown:

Low Friction
06-19-2013, 08:11 PM
Nice little Prentiss, Low Friction. I'd like to find a stationary like that to have a matched pair. I fail to see how you could get any service out of a vise that small. I can see a child getting a lot of use out of it.

I bought it because it's a trick little micro Prentiss. But for working on small delicate stuff it would be great. The jaws are about the same size as the very useful Starrett 86A.

http://www.starrett.com/metrology/product-detail/Precision-Measuring-Tools/Precision-Hand-Tools/Precision-Shop-Tools/Vise-and-Clamps/86A

MacTexas
06-20-2013, 10:51 AM
My grandfather, who died in 1949, had an old wooden tool box made for him when he managed a lumber yard in Lubbock Texas in the 1920's. Growing up I always remember the tool box in the garage and I knew there were some old saws and misc tools. Fast forward to now and I am finally going through the tool box. I found these two metal pieces.

http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/5/x24a.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/5/x24a.jpg/)
http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/401/6run.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/401/6run.jpg/)
http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/526/jo1i.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/526/jo1i.jpg/)


I had no idea what they were or what they did. I noticed the Col. Hdw on each piece. I showed them to a neighbor and he said maybe it is abbreviated for Columbian. Then it hit me I have a Columbian vice, maybe the pieces are for the vice.

http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/401/thic.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/401/thic.jpg/)


Looks like they may fit here.

http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/829/em92.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/em92.jpg/)


They look like they are made to hold pipe.

It is a Columbian Cleveland vice and now the mystery has been sloved.

EOC_Jason
06-20-2013, 10:54 AM
They look like they are made to hold pipe.

It is a Columbian Cleveland vice and now the mystery has been sloved.

Don't you just love those "Ah Ha!" moments? :) Yes, it's meant to hold pipe / round objects.

jakemac
06-20-2013, 01:50 PM
Isn't it great that our grandfathers can still surprise and thrill us even after they're gone ?

Outlawmws
06-20-2013, 02:07 PM
What is really cool is those kinds of parts usually go missing and are never seen again.

Now for the REAL test! can you find the "hot cut chisel" that fits the prichard hole on the anvil side? It will be round (probably), stepped, and not too long and have a short chisel so you can insert it into the hole, and place material on it and hit the material to cut it. (Supposed to be done hot, but I'll bet few old timers bothered...)

WildSideFL
06-20-2013, 02:31 PM
Hi, new guy here. First post, but I have been lurking a while admiring garages and stealing ideas. I bought this vise off CL yesterday by searching for "vice". Called the owner, he didn't know manufacturer or size but just said it was pretty big. He said he got it from a Navy friend who was a machinist. It was mounted to a rim style stand. He also had a grinder on a rim style stand and I need a new one anyway so I decided to throw my 2 year old in the car and go for a drive.

Once there I found a Reed 105 R with a small riveted inventory tag attached. I guess that means I have to strip and refinish it to see what the tag says. Got the Craftsman 6" grinder too, $40 each.

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg310/wildsidetri/null_zpse46e2deb.jpg

zoomieport
06-20-2013, 03:11 PM
[QUOTE=WildSideFL;3186848]Hi, new guy here. First post, but I have been lurking a while admiring garages and stealing ideas. I bought this vise off CL yesterday by searching for "vice". Called the owner, he didn't know manufacturer or size but just said it was pretty big. He said he got it from a Navy friend who was a machinist. It was mounted to a rim style stand. He also had a grinder on a rim style stand and I need a new one anyway so I decided to throw my 2 year old in the car and go for a drive.

Once there I found a Reed 105 R with a small riveted inventory tag attached. I guess that means I have to strip and refinish it to see what the tag says. Got the Craftsman 6" grinder too, $40 each.QUOTE]

Don't see too many #105's on here, lots of #104's....
Nice vise, nice price!

va.grouseman
06-20-2013, 11:20 PM
This one makes me sad. 2'' Prentiss, and someone welded the jaw shut.

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0410.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0410.jpg.html)

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0414-Copy.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0414-Copy.jpg.html)

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0411.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0411.jpg.html)

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/weakmanfor2things/100_0413.jpg (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/weakmanfor2things/media/100_0413.jpg.html)

ZRX61
06-21-2013, 12:03 AM
This one makes me sad. 2'' Prentiss, and someone welded the jaw shut.


Time to start grinding....

oldldh
06-21-2013, 12:22 AM
And cutting/grinding/slicing...

FREE THAT LITTLE JEWEL!!!!

datsbooksleia
06-21-2013, 10:16 AM
I was browsing through Ebay and found some crazy prices on vintage vise like, $300 and $500. Are people out there paying those crazy prices? Check this one out.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330934741186?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

EOC_Jason
06-21-2013, 10:23 AM
I was browsing through Ebay and found some crazy prices on vintage vise like, $300 and $500. Are people out there paying those crazy prices? Check this one out.

Depends... I've seen some vises on there that people have re-listed for a year now with no buyers...

Some with the "or best offer" eventually get an offer that is accepted, I'm sure at a much reduced price. Sometimes the seller just gives up and who knows what happens to the vise...

It also depends on the rarity and desirability of the vise... A Parker 974 is desirable, but hardly rare...

To skip over the fluff I usually just search "auctions only" and skip the BIN people.

Also I've noticed that people that spell it "VICE" on eBay tend to list their vises at much higher starting prices.

jakemac
06-21-2013, 10:24 AM
And then you have to pay $70 for shipping. If I'm going to hand $500 to a stranger, shipping should be included.

zoomieport
06-21-2013, 01:37 PM
I was browsing through Ebay and found some crazy prices on vintage vise like, $300 and $500. Are people out there paying those crazy prices? Check this one out.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330934741186?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

I know what you mean, but collectors are collectors...

In this case, that is a very good example of a very common vise. The paint is still there, pretty good for its age...

It's a beautiful vise, but it's just not for me or you... Maybe it's worth that to the next guy...

I have a Parker in unsed condition, I'll sell it to you for $475! HAHA!

:lol_hittiJust remember, a guy once paid $2.8 million for a baseball card...:lol_hitti

bigcaddy
06-21-2013, 03:16 PM
I know what you mean, but collectors are collectors...

In this case, that is a very good example of a very common vise. The paint is still there, pretty good for its age...

It's a beautiful vise, but it's just not for me or you... Maybe it's worth that to the next guy...

I have a Parker in unsed condition, I'll sell it to you for $475! HAHA!

:lol_hittiJust remember, a guy once paid $2.8 million for a baseball card...:lol_hitti


And 10 million+ for a 1797 silver dollar. Some people will pay whatever price to have the best possible example for their collection. I'm guessing the seller is waiting for that particular person.

datsbooksleia
06-21-2013, 03:30 PM
And 10 million+ for a 1797 silver dollar. Some people will pay whatever price to have the best possible example for their collection. I'm guessing the seller is waiting for that particular person.

I understand if it is 1 of a kind item. This vise aint 1 of a kind. Just sayin

75dixie
06-21-2013, 04:40 PM
I feel the old 8" vises are close to 1 of a kind, not alot of them out there

Mark in Indiana
06-21-2013, 06:11 PM
I was browsing through Ebay and found some crazy prices on vintage vise like, $300 and $500. Are people out there paying those crazy prices? Check this one out.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330934741186?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Thanks to the knowledge that I gained from this group, I wouldn't pay that kind of money. However, consider what quality of vise that you would get for $300 at a big box store.

bigcaddy
06-21-2013, 06:49 PM
Its been a while since i've actually posted something, shall we say, substantial in the "Vises" thread but work has been hell and i get tired.

Today i was pleasantly surprised when i opened up a recently acquired Reed 2C and found this little gem on the inside.

Does anybody have any idea what that could mean? I would assume aerospace/defense industry or military surplus since it did come from the San Fernando valley where that stuff is everywhere.



The dynamic jaws in the last picture is the Reed sitting on top of my Prentiss 56 that is currently undergoing the second half of restoration this month. Hopefully ill have it done by July.

andywander
06-21-2013, 06:53 PM
Its been a while since i've actually posted something, shall we say, substantial in the "Vises" thread but work has been hell and i get tired.

Today i was pleasantly surprised when i opened up a recently acquired Reed 2C and found this little gem on the inside.

Does anybody have any idea what that could mean? I would assume aerospace/defense industry or military surplus since it did come from the San Fernando valley where that stuff is everywhere.



The dynamic jaws in the last picture is the Reed sitting on top of my Prentiss 56 that is currently undergoing the second half of restoration this month. Hopefully ill have it done by July.

Pictures?

bigcaddy
06-21-2013, 06:56 PM
Sorry, i got a new camera for my birthday last week and its taking huge pictures. Today is the first time ive uploaded them onto the computer and had to resize them.

oldldh
06-21-2013, 07:29 PM
"Defense Substitute" sounds like going to war with weapons supplied by the lowest bidder...

It's going to be a really nice vise when you get through with it...

vicelord
06-21-2013, 08:27 PM
Hello
Today i bought my first vice. Its an old german model made in Romania probably in the 70's.
It's mising the front screw colar, the jaws aren't serated any more and its in general bad looking condition.
The screw and the slides are greased so it works easy.
I want to refurbish this but don't know how or where to start.

What do you think???

Regards

bczygan
06-21-2013, 08:30 PM
Detroit CL has an ad for a nice workbench for 199 with a Wilton bullet on it.

Outlawmws
06-21-2013, 11:56 PM
Hello
Today i bought my first vice. Its an old german model made in Romania probably in the 70's.
It's mising the front screw colar, the jaws aren't serated any more and its in general bad looking condition.
The screw and the slides are greased so it works easy.
I want to refurbish this but don't know how or where to start.

What do you think???

Regards

Mainly get the old paint and rust off, and in your case since you have "way slide" on that particular vise I'd take a honing stone to any high spots caused by dings so they don't cause undue interference.

Also look the main screw over for any collateral damage. you may need to clean up a ding or two on it.

Looks to be a nice vise under all the grunge. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: Keep us posted on progress!

Kevin54
06-22-2013, 06:21 AM
As I mentioned up in the post somewhere, I e-mailed Desmond Stephans about their vises. I just received a reply back from them yesterday and here is what they said:

Dear Kevin (that's me :rocker:) :lol:

We thank you for your interest in our Simplex Vises. We made a number of models from the small utility vise to the larger industrial models. We sold this division to the Ridge Tool Company in Elyria, Ohio back in 1964. They are now part of Emerson Electric. I have enclosed several pages out of our catalog published at that time.

We started making these vises back in 1929, and sold them through the industrial supply distributors. Hope this information is of some help

Very Truly,
The Desmond Stephan MFG. Co.

R.B.McConnell President

I'll scan off the pages here in just a few. I did find out that the large vise I have that opens up like 12" and has the tall jaws on it, it a Sheet Metal Pattern Makers vise, which makes sense because it came out of our shop and a lot of that went on in the day. I did get it repainted and back together and in noticing the jaws, there was a .005 brass shim behind one of the jaws. When I put the vise back together I left it out and it left a gap at the top. I put it back in and the jaws close together tight. So that vise was evidently made with some precision in mind, as maybe all of the vises were :dunno:

What I find a little unusual, is that for years, probably 45 or so that my dad has had his vise, I always thought it was a Craftsman vise. When I cleaned out the garage and got it, it was a Desmond Stephans vise. Last year sometime a vise came up on CL for $20 so I took a drive and bought it. It is a Ridgid vise.

I never knew they had hardened jaws, but mine had a chip out of it, so I put it in the mill and took a cut off of it with a carbide tool only taking a few thou at a time. Not only are the jaws hardened, they are almost glass hard. The carbide just about didn't phase it. And when I was done, the carbide was dulled on the end. That's hard!!!!!

The sad thing....over the years, our shop shitcanned dozens of vises and would not allow anyone to retrieve them from the dumpster.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=264274&stc=1&d=1371911425

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=264275&stc=1&d=1371911425

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=264276&stc=1&d=1371911425

EOC_Jason
06-22-2013, 07:23 AM
That's cool they replied back and sent you that info.

Explains why my Ridge Tool / Ridgid vises look a LOT like a Desmond Stephans... lol...

Kevin54
06-22-2013, 08:31 AM
That's cool they replied back and sent you that info.

Explains why my Ridge Tool / Ridgid vises look a LOT like a Desmond Stephans... lol...

I thought the same thing yesterday when I was putting my big vise back together and was looking at my dads smaller vise. I thought that dads smaller vise looked very much like the Ridgid vise next to it.

I have the pics on the camera in the garage that I'll post up. I need to e-mail Emerson Electric now and try to get the poop on the Ridgid vises. I also need to see if I can find someone to make a decal before I repaint the Ridgid vise.

I just finished sending an e-mail to Ridgid, so we'll have to see what pans out there. I asked them if they can supply some history and possibly some copies of their catalogs from around the timeframe of the transition between Desmond and Ridgid, and later for the vise products. I also asked them if the vises are still made in the United States, or if they have went offshore with that and if so, what year that transition was done. Basically, what year the last vises were made in the U.S. if they aren't today.

One thing I noticed when repainting my large D.S. vise, I noticed what looked like a round ring on the side of the vise. I'd say without measuring it, the ring or round circle looked to be maybe 1 1/4" in diameter. I now know that it is the pin that locks the steel slide to the front body of the vise.

csargents1546
06-22-2013, 08:59 AM
Recently I picked up a well used athol 614. Got it all cleaned up. The jaws are worn smooth. Not unexpected given its age. Since it was frozen up wiht dirt and debris I got it for 35 dollars. Got it all repainted and lubed up. I noticed some metal pieces on the screw, they are from the nut in the main body. Tried to see any damage, a few of the threads looked damaged. Tightened down a block of wood and it slipped out when pressure was applied. Does anyone have a source for the nut in the body of the vise?

The Ratchet Man
06-22-2013, 09:21 AM
So...I made another vise purchase that I thought was a great deal. I don't know much about it though. Tell me what I got and how I did.

The details...

I was in Ace Hardware a couple of days ago and saw this vise had a red clearence tag on it. This vise has been on the shelf for at least the last 5 years in the same beat up box. Since I'm a sucker for clearance items I brought it up to the register to inquire about price since the clearance price was $99 but the regular price wasn't listed.

The cashier told me that the regular price was $99 and the clearance price was $99. I asked her what the red tag was for then, while mumbling about carrying an estimated 75 lb. vise all the way to the register. She ended up offering an extra $10 off. I opened the box and found the paint was chipped around the anvil and said I would take it for $25 off. She called the manager and the manager agreed.

After using $15 in Ace Rewards points (that she let me use on a clearance item :dunno:) I walked out the door with it for $59.99 plus tax.

One of the things I noticed on the box was that it said "Made in the USA for Ace Hardware Corp". If it hadn't been for that I might've passed because I don't need another vise...well maybe. :D

After researching the model number I found that this is not the current model offered by Ace. The current model is gray in color and has "ACE" in raised letters on the side. This one has no markings, not even the model number. Model # is 2185619. A couple of sites have is titled "ACE TRADING-BENCH VISES APEX" if that helps.

The whole jaw assembly will turn 360* and the whole vise will swivel 360*. It has 2 numbered strips, one for the degrees of rotation of the jaws and one for the extension of the jaw. It has 3 sets of jaws: one standard set, one pipe set and a set of triangle notched jaws on the bottom that I can't figure out what they are used for. It has 2 swivel clamps and 1 rotation clamp. All three movements operate smooth as silk and that is with the old dried up grease still in there. Complete teardown and lube is in the near future.

So did I do good?

264288

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Outlawmws
06-22-2013, 09:49 AM
Ratchet man, I'd love to know who in the USA made that for Ace...

To be honest without the box (I'd keep that box BTW, evidence...) I (and probably all of the other regulars on GJ that do the "vise thing" would have instantly said that was Asian made. It does appear to be a cut above what is usually seen, but it also has the pacific rim "markers" (Plated screw handles, the angle gauge strip and it matches almost EXACTLY the basic pattern of the typicla HF/Jet/Taiwan brand x swivel head vise.

Would I have bought that in similar circumstances? If I saw the made in USE adn the castings looked clean and not bondoed for "pretty" paint, likely. good deal, I just hope ACE/you weren't lied to about COO.

ps: are you sure it was in the original box?

torqueman2002
06-22-2013, 09:51 AM
Assembled some vises I'd set aside after cleaning and painting them; the tiny drill press vise is finally free after many applications of Kroil and is next to be cleaned-up.
http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy149/torqueman2002/Wilton%20Vises/Big%20Wilton%204_5/AGaggleofVisesAsm.jpg

The trusty HF style $45 blue Larin was swapped-out for the 9450 Wilton. Here's a pic of the Larin, with DIY flip-away soft jaw covers.:lol:
http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy149/torqueman2002/Vises/P1000081small.jpg

http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy149/torqueman2002/Wilton%20Vises/Big%20Wilton%204_5/P1020524.jpg
I checked with Walter Meier for replacement jaw inserts, because one corner is chipped, they no longer have parts for this model, but have something I could machine to fit --- $130. :lol_hitti

Bret888
06-22-2013, 09:54 AM
I got a pretty good one this morning. It is a 6" #155 Ridgid 61 CPN combination vise. I think this is a Desmond Stephan made one? I know some of you guys have studied Ridgids, and my memory is not the best. Has anyone figured out who made which Ridgids when? Was Desnond first, then Columbian, then Peddinhaus? Any other Ridgid contracts?
I took one of the "steel slide" also, it is cast into the dynamic jaw.

Here is an old post, that I figured was relevant. I just figured Ridgid contracted these, I didn't know they bought the division. I have only seen one other 61CPN, on a Phoenix craigslist ad, http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/tls/3817055102.html since I got this one last year. There must be a few more out there somewhere.
These are the only pictures I have, since paint. The jaw plates are not back in it. That is a welded up 103 Reed sitting on it.

The Ratchet Man
06-22-2013, 10:10 AM
Ratchet man, I'd love to know who in the USA made that for Ace...

To be honest without the box (I'd keep that box BTW, evidence...) I (and probably all of the other regulars on GJ that do the "vise thing" would have instantly said that was Asian made. It does appear to be a cut above what is usually seen, but it also has the pacific rim "markers" (Plated screw handles, the angle gauge strip and it matches almost EXACTLY the basic pattern of the typicla HF/Jet/Taiwan brand x swivel head vise.

Would I have bought that in similar circumstances? If I saw the made in USE adn the castings looked clean and not bondoed for "pretty" paint, likely. good deal, I just hope ACE/you weren't lied to about COO.

ps: are you sure it was in the original box?

Yes, it was the original box as the part number came up on several websites with pictures of that exact vise. I agree that its probably China. The markers you noted and the lack of any numbers, COO or anything gives me this feeling. Having said that, it is well made regardless of COO and I think its a lot of vise for the money.

The made is USA thing was just going to be icing on the cake. I still paid less than a $1 per pound for new though. :thumbup:

What are the triangle shaped jaws on the bottom for?

Kevin54
06-22-2013, 10:17 AM
Here's my Desmond after I got it back together. Now I have to get the other two stripped and repainted.

http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/547/5uke.jpg

http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/855/35ek.jpg

http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/27/aycb.jpg

http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/845/oa4.jpg

http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/713/od8p.jpg

http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/822/1sf9.jpg

torqueman2002
06-22-2013, 10:23 AM
Another stunning 'wet' look paint job!

TSC paint again?

:thumbup::thumbup:

Kevin54
06-22-2013, 10:31 AM
Another stunning 'wet' look paint job!

TSC paint again?

:thumbup::thumbup:

Yep. TSC paint again. I really like it. It covers great. They have two different types of paint. They have an industrial paint which I did see a gray, although I don't know how many colors they have it in, then this is the tractor, truck, and implement paint which it claims is rust and weather resistant, excellent adhesion, and heavy duty formula. The have about three or four different colors of the red and although my pics show it kind of a bright red in one or two of them, it's actually darker. I'd say it's more along the lines of the Craftsman tool box red. It's actually International Harvester Red.

I'm getting ready to spray my hydraulic press with it so I can get it back together as I need to use it :lol:

Craptain
06-22-2013, 11:22 AM
So...I made another vise purchase that I thought was a great deal. I don't know much about it though. Tell me what I got and how I did.

The details...

I was in Ace Hardware a couple of days ago and saw this vise had a red clearence tag on it. This vise has been on the shelf for at least the last 5 years in the same beat up box. Since I'm a sucker for clearance items I brought it up to the register to inquire about price since the clearance price was $99 but the regular price wasn't listed.

The cashier told me that the regular price was $99 and the clearance price was $99. I asked her what the red tag was for then, while mumbling about carrying an estimated 75 lb. vise all the way to the register. She ended up offering an extra $10 off. I opened the box and found the paint was chipped around the anvil and said I would take it for $25 off. She called the manager and the manager agreed.

After using $15 in Ace Rewards points (that she let me use on a clearance item :dunno:) I walked out the door with it for $59.99 plus tax.

One of the things I noticed on the box was that it said "Made in the USA for Ace Hardware Corp". If it hadn't been for that I might've passed because I don't need another vise...well maybe. :D

After researching the model number I found that this is not the current model offered by Ace. The current model is gray in color and has "ACE" in raised letters on the side. This one has no markings, not even the model number. Model # is 2185619. A couple of sites have is titled "ACE TRADING-BENCH VISES APEX" if that helps.

The whole jaw assembly will turn 360* and the whole vise will swivel 360*. It has 2 numbered strips, one for the degrees of rotation of the jaws and one for the extension of the jaw. It has 3 sets of jaws: one standard set, one pipe set and a set of triangle notched jaws on the bottom that I can't figure out what they are used for. It has 2 swivel clamps and 1 rotation clamp. All three movements operate smooth as silk and that is with the old dried up grease still in there. Complete teardown and lube is in the near future.

So did I do good?

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Ratchet Man, That is very similar to one I looked at on CL last week. There was no info about it but it is still available, I just need to get off my lazy arse. It is different in a few details but overall it is the same vise.

Engineer61
06-22-2013, 05:51 PM
Ratchetman you did great, I would bet that is a Wilton (http://www.mile-x.com/Wilton-69999-Vise.aspx) made in the USA before they moved the manufacturing of that vise to China. Several Chinese companies have done a very poor job of copying the design and now that vise design has a very bad reputation; earlier models like yours do a wonderful job of holding anything in about any position you can think of and make a great addition to any shop.

The Ratchet Man
06-22-2013, 06:38 PM
Ratchetman you did great, I would bet that is a Wilton (http://www.mile-x.com/Wilton-69999-Vise.aspx) made in the USA before they moved the manufacturing of that vise to China. Several Chinese companies have done a very poor job of copying the design and now that vise design has a very bad reputation; earlier models like yours do a wonderful job of holding anything in about any position you can think of and make a great addition to any shop.

Wow. Now that is an Exact copy. The only thing different on mine is the color and the Wilton stamp. If you look on mine the square indention on the side is the exact same as the other one, minus the "Wilton" inside. It even has the 2 measuring strips for degrees and inches.

The site says the pipe jaws were permanent so i double checked mine and sure enough mine are cast into the jaws so that matches too. The site you posted lists it at 45 lbs. though. I weighed mine earlier and it weighed 60.9 lbs. Also weighed my Craftsman and was within half a pound of the 37 lbs. that Craftsman claims, so I know the scale is accurate. Maybe the weight is wrong on the site?

Does anybody have this vise that can take a picture from the back so I can compare the lead screw nut and rear retention collar to be absolutely 100%.

It appears that I might be able to have my cake AND my icing. :thumbup:

The Ratchet Man
06-22-2013, 06:52 PM
The model number for the one on the site you listed is Wilton 69999. Northern Tool carries them and has a close up picture on their site. It's gray instead of blue and has the indention in the side without the "Wilton". You can even see the desidn on the jaw inserts is the same pattern which is more wavy than standard checkering.

Link: Wilton #69999 (http://m.northerntool.com/mt/www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200334217_200334217)

I'll check it out next time I'm in Northern. This and other site state made in China though. Oh well its a Wilton.

oldldh
06-22-2013, 07:04 PM
Kevin----You get a: "YA DUN GUD, BUBBA!!!"

balane
06-22-2013, 08:32 PM
I'm not really a wood vise type of guy but I couldn't pass on this giant honker. This thing is big and this thing is heavy. It also has the best quick release system I've ever used. Turn the screw a little bit CCW and the threads release allowing you to slide it in and out easily. Turn it a little bit CW and it locks again so you can tighten it down. It just works really well.

It's a Craftsman 10R-2A and the date stamp puts it at May 1981 production. Really clean all over. The jaws are 10" x 4" and they open to a little over 10" Overall length is 22"

It weighs 37 pounds and makes my late model JET wood vise look like crap. I see wood vises here and there but I've never come across one like this.

In the photos, that isn't exactly a small tree stump.

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Outlawmws
06-22-2013, 10:23 PM
Ratchetman and Engineer, I'm pretty sure they made those a couple different sizes, (certainly the Taiwan and chicom vises have more than one size) which could account for the difference in weight. check the jaw widths for a sanity check.

KMScott
06-22-2013, 11:21 PM
Here's my Desmond after I got it back together.


Kevin
Are the jaws original or did you make em, and are they hard steel? Curious to what the faces looked like. Nice paint job. I'll have to research your TSC paint.

Kevin54
06-23-2013, 06:14 AM
Kevin
Are the jaws original or did you make em, and are they hard steel? Curious to what the faces looked like. Nice paint job. I'll have to research your TSC paint.

I didn't make the jaws. They have a smooth face to them with three different size "vees" running horizontally across, and one vertical vee I think. I'll look and snap a pic when I get out to the garage today. I don't know if they came from Desmond that way, or if years ago someone made or modified a set of jaws at our shop. They are hardened. Like I mentioned above, a carbide end mill barely phased them. Desmond claims they had hardened jaws, so I can't tell whether they are factory or not.

MDSPHOTO
06-23-2013, 10:10 AM
Pulled mine off the work bench at my old house and brought her down to the new house last night. Will play around with positioning before bolting down.