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one · Mar 15, 2012

I'm in the market for a floor mounted drill press for my 2 car garage. Ive stumbled upon this gem. Any idea if its worth the asking price? Is it a quality tool?

http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-s...perceuse-a-colone-pas-cher-W0QQAdIdZ360467297

The motor condition concerns me.

Jim Johnstone · Mar 15, 2012

I'd offer $100 for it, even the $125 they are asking is not a bad price. I have that exact same press in my garage right now (along with 2 smaller buffalos) that my friend paid $80 for, in worse shape than that one.

I'd offer $100 but would be carrying $125 when I went to see it.

A warning though, that drill press is F***ing heavy. We took the motor of the head, the head off the column, the column off the base, and we were still stunned at how hard it was to lug around. It's gotta be around 400 pounds assembled. It made moving my Buffalo #15 floor model drill press a total joke.

-Brent- · Mar 15, 2012

If you're in the market, that's a decent DP. It looks like it needs some TLC. And, I agree, the motor wiring looks hokey. However, that may be a good negotiating point.

Packard V8 · Mar 15, 2012

On the one hand, it's a good sturdy floor DP. On the other hand, it's missing the belt guard, doesn't have a slow speed attachment and will need fiddling with the wiring and switch. Bottom line - decent deal on an old DP.

jack vines

one · Mar 15, 2012

Thats exactly what i needed to hear, thanks guys.

Now my only concern is, is this too big for a 20x20 2 car garage? I mean i want something quality, and 400lbs to me screams quality. But am i going overboard?

Jim Johnstone · Mar 15, 2012

one said:
Thats exactly what i needed to hear, thanks guys.

Now my only concern is, is this too big for a 20x20 2 car garage? I mean i want something quality, and 400lbs to me screams quality. But am i going overboard?

Hell no, that drill press will still be kicking another 50 years from now, once its in its final spot, you never have to worry about it again. Also I have a bunch of manuals for the old Canadian/Buffalo drill presses if you need them.

ckadams00 · Mar 16, 2012

No you are not going overboard (especially for $125) because a floor drill press doesn't take up that much space relative to how often you use it (like a RAS). In my opinion a bench DP takes up nearly the same space. This is a HEAVY good dp, worth the money - if you want some fun go to a big box and price a 15" floor drill press.

You will most likely need: bearings - about $15 to $25 call accurate bearing with the old number printed on the bearings for a replacement. They ship same day.

-I wouldn't worry about the belt guard.

-The table looks like it is a bit rough, but . . . .$125.
-It has a lock collar for the table (or headstock). In my opinion VERY important because these thins are heavy.

You can get a workable 1/2 hp motor for about $60 on CList. Just check out the mounting to make sure whatever you buy will fit. This assumes the original motor needs to be replaced - might work fine with new bearings.

Good luck!

buckbrush · Mar 16, 2012

noway that weighs 400, maybe 150 to 200 lbs. It is a good deal for what it is , at least in these parts.

zoomzoomjeff · Mar 16, 2012

one said:
But am i going overboard?

To quote Tom Hnatiw from Dream Car Garage...."but do you want a car like this?" :3gears:

Overboard, schmoverboard. No such thing. I say get it.

-Brent- · Mar 16, 2012

one said:
Now my only concern is, is this too big for a 20x20 2 car garage? I mean i want something quality, and 400lbs to me screams quality. But am i going overboard?

No way is it overboard. It's a pretty mild drill press compared to some others of the time. It'll do everything you want it to, for sure.

buckbrush said:
noway that weighs 400, maybe 150 to 200 lbs. It is a good deal for what it is , at least in these parts.

I agree, they're awkwardly weighted and that's what confuses people when it comes to weight. I'd say it's near the 200lb+/- range.

dankicksass · Mar 16, 2012

I'd buy it. I'd probably offer $85 so he counters around $100, would pay the asking price if it were cleaner.

dieselmike · Mar 16, 2012

ship it to me please!@!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rust · Mar 16, 2012

Junk.

JeremyManning · Mar 16, 2012

If you waited this long its probably already sold.

one · Mar 16, 2012

Thanks again guys, Ive decided to go grab it. Fingers crossed the deal is still there!

Jim Johnstone · Mar 16, 2012

You guys might be right about the weight IF that's a 15 model. My gut is telling me its an 18 based on the size of the motor relative to the head, and the fact that its 120/240 volt. If it is a 15 then 150 is not a bad estimate. If its an 18, its over 300 pounds I can promise that. The 18s also had full 1 hp motors.

-Brent- · Mar 16, 2012

Jim Johnstone said:
You guys might be right about the weight IF that's a 15 model. My gut is telling me its an 18 based on the size of the motor relative to the head, and the fact that its 120/240 volt. If it is a 15 then 150 is not a bad estimate. If its an 18, its over 300 pounds I can promise that. The 18s also had full 1 hp motors.

That motor doesn't look like the original, to me anyway. I'm basing this on the pully, the size of the motor, and even the differing patina. Plus, the pully is sitting high on the shaft and the motor looks to have bolts outside the frame. I've seen that on other machinery but not an early DP. I'm admittedly a novice with DPs but I've seen enough for that motor to look out-of-place.

Outlawmws · Mar 16, 2012

I agree, definitely not an original motor.

I strongly doubt its one of the larger DP's 15" (7-1/2" throat) at most IMO

Missing the belt guards
Motor is too heavy , if not too big for the mount (It appears to be bending the mount - possibly the camera tricking the image. but something to look at...)
Its wired with freaking Romex for gods sake...
It has a strong "arc of shame"

The only thing it really has going for it is that it is a floor press, not a bench model.

Without knowing the condition of the quill and spindle bearings/slop, ( and whether it is a ball bearing or bushed spindle) I'm thinking more like $75, and that would be top dollar.

Heck not even the handles on the quill press handle are original... l

Jim Johnstone · Mar 17, 2012

I'd still jump all over it. Either 15 or 18, they're good machines. Keep in mind we don't find the crazy deals that you guys do in the US. I paid $225 for a really mechanically nice #15 last year, and $80 for a machine to steal some parts off of. $100 up here for a machine in that shape is good.

BWS · Mar 18, 2012

Location plays a huge role in old equip.So bear this in mind when folks get all upity about how much sumthin is worth.I don't mind traveling to get a particular pce........but some folks seem to think thats out of the question?Chit,I went with a bud for a measly 600 mile round trip to help him pick up a mill a cpl months ago.........but seein as how everyone in our area thinks their complete POS is worth 3X's any real expectations?....then traveling is the only option.Just sayin.

Also,condition is right up there on importance........finding chit on the mega-cheap IS possible.The last DP I bought had just the right amt of broken CI and missing pcs that all of the usual..."homey,always wanted to be an equip dealer"...types passed on it.We had the thing welded up and missing pcs fabbed before you could say,wheres the chuck key.So having resources helps loads in finding/fixing......so uhhh,may want to work on developing "those" resources(not directed twds OP).BW

LSU · Mar 18, 2012

Give us an upate on this.

Did you buy it? If so, how much?

one · Mar 18, 2012

I'm heading out to his place (about an hour drive into quebec) later today. If the machine looks true/fixable, im going to grab it. I'll keep you guys updated on what i get it for/condition.

Thanks for all the help! fingers crossed its the "18" I'll be happy with the 15 either way tho.

Any tips on hauling this? I have a 4Runner and a 4x8 trailer with ramp, and the roads in quebexico arnt great. A buddy used to work for a local heavy equipment rental place and he reccommends only 2 straps. standing up, looped around the press in an "x" fasion. I was debating taking it apart and laying it all down on some old tires ive got kickin around.

Any sort of help would be great. Id hate to crack the casting or something getting it home!

tool_scrounge · Mar 18, 2012

one said:
I'm heading out to his place (about an hour drive into quebec) later today. If the machine looks true/fixable, im going to grab it. I'll keep you guys updated on what i get it for/condition.

Thanks for all the help! fingers crossed its the "18" I'll be happy with the 15 either way tho.

Any tips on hauling this? I have a 4Runner and a 4x8 trailer with ramp, and the roads in quebexico arnt great. A buddy used to work for a local heavy equipment rental place and he reccommends only 2 straps. standing up, looped around the press in an "x" fasion. I was debating taking it apart and laying it all down on some old tires ive got kickin around.

Any sort of help would be great. Id hate to crack the casting or something getting it home!

If you are going to haul it assembled, put it on its side (motor removed) or lower the head and table as low as they can go to lower the center of gravity - so there is less chance to tilt over. I would still remove the motor. I usually bring a small bottle jack to allow the head to be lowered easily by one person. You fit the bottle jack with the ram fully extended between the table and head. Then loosen the head clamp and lower the ram. Reclamp the head, lower the table, and repeat until the head is as low as you want.

Good Luck!

torqueman2002 · Mar 18, 2012

Good advise scrounge.

I've hauled several of these vintage era CM machines home.

Take some penetrating oil with you and spray the column and all the joints in the head & table & base - that slide over the column; plus all the nuts, bolts, clamps.

Take some scrap pieces of wood to place between the head & table and the table & bottom. This is insurance in case the head or table get away from you. Alternately a >2.5" hose clamp placed on the column is great if the DP doesn't have the 'table lift' option.

Remove the motor, then work the head off the column, followed by the table, and finally the base.

Place the head carefully on it's left side (opposite from the fragile pot metal handle). Be cautious and careful with the knobs, and handles; they are fragile and hard to find.

I've brought my DPs home in the trunk (with pass through for column) and rear and front floor of a 2002 Grand Prix.

Great find. BTW - I've paid from $75 - $115 (US) for this style of CM DP, table top (150 & 100?) and floor models (pre 150) King-Sealey with Vari-Slow speed adjuster and table lift.

Visit Old Wood Working Machines dot com (OWWMdotcom) for more info/help/spare parts.

Good luck!

:thumbup:

-Brent- · Mar 18, 2012

torqueman2002 said:
Good advise scrounge.

I've hauled several of these vintage era CM machines home.

Take some penetrating oil with you and spray the column and all the joints in the head & table & base - that slide over the column; plus all the nuts, bolts, clamps.

Take some scrap pieces of wood to place between the head & table and the table & bottom. This is insurance in case the head or table get away from you. Alternately a >2.5" hose clamp placed on the column is great if the DP doesn't have the 'table lift' option.

Remove the motor, then work the head off the column, followed by the table, and finally the base.

Yep, bring some tools with you. If you take the head off you may need two people as it's awkward getting the head off from the top, it can be finicky and need some twisting and pulling. If it's a job to be done by yourself, I'd say let gravity assist you and slide the table and head down and muscle it into whatever way you're going to carry it.

I had no tools and no assistance (and no advance notice) on this one or I would have done it differently.

one · Mar 19, 2012

Here it is! In it's new home... sortof. Still deciding the final resting spot.

Turns out its a model 15. I was sorta hoping it was the massive 18, but this is likely a better suited press for my needs anyways.

As ghetto as it looks/looked its in fantastic shape. Bearings are nice and tight, the previous owner had it for 10 years, and kept it well greased/oiled.

I plan to put a proper cord on it. But heck i may keep the switch, its ugly but functional.

ignore the mess, the shop is still a work in progress...

I ended up getting it for $115, i didnt want to insult him as even $125 was a fair price for this press. Super nice guy thats simply moving into a nice old milling machine. Ahh someday!

Thanks for all the help guys. I'm tracking down a decent x/y vise and bam were in business.

Outlawmws · Mar 20, 2012

one said:
sNIP

ignore the mess, the shop is still a work in progress...

SNIP

Mess? What Mess? :headscrat

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