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Old 03-19-2012, 05:11 PM   #21
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This thread is no more asinine, ridiculous, or subjective than 90% of the other threads on here.
How many "Whats my toolbox worth" thread are there? The answers given are based on a persons opinion, where they live, what they've seen. The value of a toolbox in Bumfuck, KY will be different than if it was in Los Angeles. 9/10 the true condition of the toolbox is not well known, but that doesn't stop every asshat on here from voicing his opinion, from the tool flippers to the novices, to the guys that own them.
This thread is no different. Opinions based on personal experiences, geography, etc. If this thread is not valid and is ridiculous, then this entire site should be shut down, because most of the topics are subject to the same responses and logic.
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Old 03-19-2012, 05:14 PM   #22
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Back to the original post

i think in the czech republic they can make pretty good products too like the "Protool" power tools which are up to german standards, their "Skoda" cars also score top rankings or Wera hand tools for example. They also make a lot of machine tools there.
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Old 03-19-2012, 06:33 PM   #23
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This thread is no more asinine, ridiculous, or subjective than 90% of the other threads on here.
How many "Whats my toolbox worth" thread are there? The answers given are based on a persons opinion, where they live, what they've seen. The value of a toolbox in Bumfuck, KY will be different than if it was in Los Angeles. 9/10 the true condition of the toolbox is not well known, but that doesn't stop every asshat on here from voicing his opinion, from the tool flippers to the novices, to the guys that own them.
This thread is no different. Opinions based on personal experiences, geography, etc. If this thread is not valid and is ridiculous, then this entire site should be shut down, because most of the topics are subject to the same responses and logic.
Infallible logic like yours makes me especially thankful that there is an ignore list.
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Old 03-19-2012, 06:46 PM   #24
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Are there any poorly made Swiss tools?
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Old 03-19-2012, 08:22 PM   #25
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Are there any poorly made Swiss tools?
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Old 03-19-2012, 08:32 PM   #26
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wera is made in the czech, it is as good as any of the ones listed in as 1, the japanese tool are just as good as US, German, English, French tools.

This is a really opinionated list, as it does not take each country does certain tools better.
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Old 03-19-2012, 08:39 PM   #27
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I'll be honest, I'm partial to anything (not just tools) American, German, British or Japanese.
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:15 PM   #28
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I think it really varies depending on many factors of what is important to each purchaser. To me, while I appreciate the high quality of German and other European tools, I don't often rank them number one. I don't like buying a tool more than once so to me a no nonsense, no questions asked lifetime warranty is of paramount importance. A lot of admittedly high quality European tools do not have such a warranty so to me I don't rank them as high in quality as others do.
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:18 PM   #29
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PB Swiss is up there with Snap-on and Knipex.
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:28 PM   #30
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i didnt know this thread would start such controversy, thats not what i was intending at all. i was just wondering how everyone thought in terms of coo. lets put it this way and maybe it will make it easier. if craftsman moved production to every single country in the world and you had them all sitting in front of you and had to purchase and use a couple which ones would you choose?
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:59 PM   #31
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i didnt know this thread would start such controversy, thats not what i was intending at all. i was just wondering how everyone thought in terms of coo. lets put it this way and maybe it will make it easier. if craftsman moved production to every single country in the world and you had them all sitting in front of you and had to purchase and use a couple which ones would you choose?
Your thread is well intentioned and I agree with your rankings except that I'd put Canada up there in the no. 1 spot. I've tried the identical tool with US vs. Asian COO and it just ended up in a pissing contest and the thread just got locked. There are a lot of people here who love supporting low end Asian made tools. I just don't get it. You'll never win with these COO threads! You and I and a bunch of others here know the truth.

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Old 03-19-2012, 10:03 PM   #32
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Infallible logic like yours makes me especially thankful that there is an ignore list.
Was merely saying that posting answers in this thread is as valid as posting your opinion on prices in "toolbox" threads, your opinion in "is this tool good?" threads, and your opinion on how to use tools in "how do I use this..." threads.
My point obviously flew over your head. My apologies.
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Old 03-19-2012, 10:43 PM   #33
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i didnt know this thread would start such controversy, thats not what i was intending at all. i was just wondering how everyone thought in terms of coo. lets put it this way and maybe it will make it easier. if craftsman moved production to every single country in the world and you had them all sitting in front of you and had to purchase and use a couple which ones would you choose?
It is not a really good thread, it is super subjective. I have to agree with allot of there here, you get good and poor tools from every country. Unless you have used each and every countries tool and the different grade. It is all subjective.

Take a guess why snap on, proto and other big tool makes have their tools made in taiwan. Bluepoint, blackhawk and a host of other brands are rebranded taiwan tools, and of excellent quality. And some like to bash asian tools, but the taiwan and japanese tools are very high quality tools.

Also allot like to blast china for their business practice, but the US just over the last couple of years have employed less then honorable business practice. GM is a case and point. The bond holders got thrown under the bus, with the bail out and the way the US govt circumvented the contract law and the rules of bankruptcy. That was unfair to Ford who took care of their business. That is one reason I would never buy a GM car, only US car I would buy are Ford, and European cars from Germany and Jeep.
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Old 03-20-2012, 01:39 AM   #34
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In my shop I would rank them:

#1, USA, Canada, Japan, Germany, Swiss, France, Sweden, Israel
#2, Czech Republic, Spain, Taiwan
#3, China, Mexico
#4, India
#5, Pakistan
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Old 03-20-2012, 02:17 AM   #35
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My preference is generally to stick with US made tools whenever possible. If that isn't possible I try for Canada. If I can't find what I'm looking for within the US or Canada, I try for Germany.

I'm not familiar with Swiss or Swedish tools. I've had some luck with Spain and Argentina via J.H. Williams. If all of those offerings fail, I'll take Taiwan over China all day long. The shit coming out of India should feel blessed that I've called it shit, because that's more credit than it deserves.
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Old 03-20-2012, 05:47 AM   #36
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silly question

everyone knows the best tools are made in Mongolia and Khazakstan
Nice move genius. Now that everyone knows, the price for Mongolian and Khazakstanian tools on e-bay will skyrocket. You just cost me a fortune.
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Old 03-20-2012, 08:15 AM   #37
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I don't think it's an absolute in all cases, but generally I agree with the original post

for instance I have to say my Taiwanese gearwrench ratchets are many times nicer than my USA craftsman raised panel ratchets, and I paid under $20 each for my 1/2", 3/8", and 3/8" stubby gearwrench ratchets so they're in the same ballpark price range
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