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WOW! :gasp:...blink,blink... :gulp: WOW!! :eyecrazy:
This whole thread makes me drool a little more heavily with each passing post! My keyboard is awash! :lol:

I do believe there isn't anything you CAN'T do...is there? Maybe cooking or laundry? :lol: Absolutely fantastic...the garages, the cars, the tools...very impressive toy collection from every angle. :thumbup:


Ok, so I only have one remaining question...what did you do as a profession? :headscrat I can't even guess.
 

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i thought oldcarguy would have his hands full with a rusted out car buried in some trees, but after I saw those tools....

Yeah - I know. It made me feel sorry for the tree. That tree never stood a chance between him and getting the car back in shape.

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WOW! :gasp:...blink,blink... :gulp: WOW!! :eyecrazy:
This whole thread makes me drool a little more heavily with each passing post! My keyboard is awash! :lol:

I do believe there isn't anything you CAN'T do...is there? Maybe cooking or laundry? :lol: Absolutely fantastic...the garages, the cars, the tools...very impressive toy collection from every angle. :thumbup:


Ok, so I only have one remaining question...what did you do as a profession? :headscrat I can't even guess.

OldCarGuy owes so much of his talents and fortitude to his Father. He worked in a small mold shop as a Tool and Diemaker, where I tagged along on Saturdays since I was 9 years old. I would clean machines all morning, just for the chance to run one for an hour or so in the afternoon. My learning wasn’t limited there. I have many fond memories digging foundations by hand, pouring driveways & garage floors using a 3 cu ft mixer, laying cement blocks, framing, siding, roofing, plumbing, wiring, and working on cars. I can remember back when I was four pounding in rows of nails on the roof that my Father started. And doing a valve jobs, brakes, replacing springs, and etc on his 1948 Kaiser. I was rebuilding carburetors and repairing neighbor’s cars on my own when I was 14.

I know that I disappointed my parents when I dropped out of college after 2 years and went to work as a Moldmaker. Where I quickly went into designing, management, working my way up the latter until I was in charge of running the shop with 300 employees. Until good old Billy Clinton’s ideas of NAFTA and fair trade that shut the plant down. Now I run a smaller plant with 16 people. Not nearly as demanding; but it gives me far more time for my hobbies.

Along the way I started buying tools and machines. I still have the Craftsman tool box. rachet set and other tools I stared collecting each week when I was 12 from my paper route money. Plus my Victor acetylene torch set that I purchased before I went to college. I can remember my Father eyeing a radial arm saw and other power tools saying how nice they are and never purchasing them. Rather he would use a two-jaw hand brace to bore holes through rafters and ripping 2x4" by 8' Lengthways with a handsaw!

He was not responsible for that “Defective Gene” of mine. I acquired that on my own. As I do have that radial arm saw, band saw, jointer, circular saws, belt sanders, and electric drills galore including a magnetic Milwaukee 3/4” drill press.

BTW I do most the cooking and purchase all the groceries. But I don't like to do laundry.
 

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Yeah I hear ya there OTG. My father would never buy himself the things he really wanted either. He would always make do, make a table saw out of an old circular saw, using the jig that turns your hand drill into a drill press stuff like that. I remember he called me so excited last fall. He had been down on vacation in the south and had stopped at an outlet mall and found a great deal on a chop saw. Too good for even him to pass up. First new modern saw he had ever owned. He wanted to rush out to buy a 2x4 just to cut it up I think. He was making a list of projects he was going to be able to knock right out with his new toy. He was dagnosed with cancer a few weeks later, passed away last spring. We found that brand new saw still in its box when we went through his things in the garage a few weeks ago, he never got a chance to even use it...........

Life's short guys, enjoy it while you can.

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I lost my Father’s 27 years ago to cancer. And a day has never passed that I don’t think of him. And let’s not forget about Mother…

Life stops for no one as we’re only passing through this world. So take the time to live the joy.

OldCarGuy getting off his soap box now.
 

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Wow...just wow!

When I show these pics to the wife, she'll no longer think I'm the craziest car guy on the planet. Thanks for sharing, I'm in awe.

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....It took 45 gallons of Sherman William’s epoxy coating for this addition and my two other unattached garages (3,500 square feet total). I just finished that last week and was an experience in itself. I’ll get to that in the flooring section once I resolve some issues with Sherman Williams.

45 gallons?? Please elaborate on the issues when you get a chance. I'm currently coating my floors with Armorseal and I'd like to know what issues you're having.

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BTW I do most the cooking and purchase all the groceries. But I don't like to do laundry.
hehe :lol:
Thanks for sharing your story, pretty interesting stuff.

My Dad was pretty thrifty too. Being a farmer, he was always finding a way to re-use things. I remember fixing fences as a kid & using nails that had been used, pulled & straighted, then used again...usually until the heads finally snapped off from pulling them & re-using them.
I've still got one of the hand braces we used back then...what memories.

He was a young kid during the depression & I've grown to expect that kind of mentality from most people who endured the depression. I would assume your Dad was similar.
 
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Bridge Crane Installed...

The OldCarGuy finished fabricating and installing all the main mechanical parts of my new bridge crane this weekend. The bridge beam weighs 950 pounds and made of a S12x35 (standard I-beam that weighs 35 pounds per foot) that is 27’ long. Each runways is 45 long and consists of one S10x25.4 beam 25’ long and another 20’ long. I built the end trucks with some discarded angle 3/8” thick 4x6” angle that I saved. The wheels came from two 4,000 pound trolleys that I had laying around.

Predrilled and tapping all the boltholes on my CNC Bridgeport to make sure everything would be square at my old home. 01080003.jpg
End truck assembled and tested on runway beam
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I laid out and predrilled all the holes in the main bridge and runway beams with my magnet drill press.
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I used 6 support columns made from W4-13 I-beams. Welded 1 /2 plates to the top and bottom plates with predrilled holes to lag to floor and bolt to the runway beams.




Moving the beams to my new garage on my 20’ open trailer. The beams were placed 2’ toward the tongue and they hang over the end by 5’
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Unloading the beams off the trailer with a cherry picker

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We now have a giant erector set that just needs to be assembled. Scissors lift picking up main bridge beam.
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I put a hole over the attic stair door so that the end of the bridge truck would enter into it picking up 18” more travel of the bridge beam. The runway was cantilevered over the end of the support column to keep it out of the way of the attic door. Lastly the protruding runway was boxed in with 2x4s” and drywall.

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Vertical columns are lagged to the walls.

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The yoke of the trolley needs to be turned down to accommodate the width of the bridge beam. Then put up the electric 4,000 pound chain hoist and rig the wiring.
 

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Unbelieveable. Totally cool. I haven't seen anyone put one of those in yet. I wouldn't mind doing that.

What do you plan on using it for? I guess you could technically pickup a small car with it if you wanted.
 
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Endless uses…

If you look back over this thread, you’ll see that I have a bridge crane in my old garage as well; but with a 4’ shorter span. In a few months I will use that one to load all my machines (lathes, Bridgeports, surface grinders, saws, EDM Machine, benches, tool boxes, etc) onto my flat bed trailer. Drive it 20 miles and back it into my new garage and pick them off and set then right into place. One heck of a lot easier and faster than rollers and prybars on moving day! Plus there is no need to use plywood to protect the floors, and I won’t have to rent a truck with a lift gate.

I have also used it to remove engines. It will easily pick up one end of a heavy car or an entire smaller one. With a floor pulley arrangement, it is used to winch dead cars onto my lift. It saves may back by picking up heavy machine vices, rotary tables, lathes chucks, heads, engine blocks, and bars of steel. Quite a bit safer than using a cherry picker and it’s always out of the way in use or storage. Having a 9’ hook to floor height, it easily outperforms one.
 

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I could have used one when I moved in my Lista cabinets. What a PITA...literally.
 
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Progress Report OldCarGuy’s New Toy Shop

There might just be a light at the end of the tunnel on my 2 ½ year long retirement home \ garages project. In fact the new carpet will be put down tomorrow and the professionals will be moving furniture in the house next week. Then I’ll be officially moved in. Followed by maybe another 6 months to put the finishing touches of organizing the garages and moving the rest of my toys.


One of the 26x38’ car storage garages with four Stinger 4-post lifts.
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My 30x50’ storage barn for my 40’ motorhome, carhauler trailer, and other “important” stuff. I installed a drop acoustical tile ceiling and added 6” insulation, painted the spray-on urethane foam insulation white, updated the 100 Amp 240 Volt single phase load center, and added 12 double T-12 eight foot fluorescent fixtures.

The heart of my compressed air system is located under the loft steps. A DevAir 5HP air compressor with 80 Gallon tank with auto drain and coalescing filters, BelAir 55 CFM refrigerated dryer. Dry compressed air is supplied to all five garages 24 hours a day 7 days a week via 1” underground piping and 300’ of 1” black pipe as main runs with abundant amount of ½” drops and auto eight rewind hose reels. .

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Craftsman 10 radial arm saw with a 36x60” maple side tables, and 4” Rockwell jointer.
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Tractor implement storage under loft.

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Added 7’ wide by 7’ tall steel doors and ramp to drive my John Deere tractor inside without moving motor home. It is snuggled under the 8’ wide by 8’ tall by 30’ long storage loft, with storage hangers for plywood and pipes, and wood on the back wall.
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Built 32 running feet of shelving 14’ high for misc storage.

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The business end of my garages,,, a 30x50’ main workshop with a 16x50” finished attic for storage… Finished Bridge Crane 240 Volt 3 phase electrification using homemade capstans for both bridge and runways.

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Lincoln 250 Amp TIG welder, 24x36” table with ½” steel plate. And storage compartments for filler rod made from left over downspouts.

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Boyar Schultz 6x18” hand surface grinder,, Boyar Schultz 8x18” fully automatic hydraulic surface grinder,, with Dayton ½ HP bench grinder sandwiched between.

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Sandblast cabinet

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Solid steel work table 28x48” and 6” thick,, note selection of wood blocking stored underneath from 6x6” to 1x6”

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Power Distribution center,,, 240 Volt 200 Amp single phase main load center,, along side a 100 Amp 240 Volt three phase load center. Fed by a 5 HP and a 10 HP rotary inverters. They are set up to run one at a time or in tandem. The center top box encloses the switching relays.

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Mohawk 10,000 pound 2-post lift

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Clausing Colchester quick change gearedhead toolroom Lathe,,, 15" Swing 60" Between Centers

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14’ optical comparator with surface illumination,, Kennedy rolling tool box with complete set of wrenching tools, and oxygen acetylene torch.

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Graymills parts washer tank,,

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Wells 9x16 cutoff saw,,, Powermatic 14” metal bandsaw,, ½ HP Baldor buffer,

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Ex-Cell_O 20 Amp plunge EDM machine,,

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Smaller 14” swing gearhead lathe with 5C collet draw bar

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Bridgeport EZ Trak DX CNC Milling machine

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Kearney Trecker model 2D rotary head milling machine,,

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Granite layout plate 24x36”,, American Optical Zoom Microscope with vertical illuminator.

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Workbench area,,, two 36x72” maple top benches,, tool boxes filled with my life’s machinist tools,, along with laptop computer for quick online references.

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US license plates,, one from every state… Plus Ohio plates, one from each year 1910 to 1974 that Ohio designated the year decorate the top of the walls…

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Sir, I am most impressed with your garage and all you have done do it. I live in the city of Green' do you ever take your cars to local shows or cruise inn's. I would love to talk to you in person.Thanks for the pictures
 
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PAToyota said:
:Twitch: :bowdown: :bowdown:

I am in total awe! You don't need an apprentice, do you?

PaToyota,, it's a job marked by long hours, low pay, no benefits or overtime,,, are you still interested?
 
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I live in the city of Green' do you ever take your cars to local shows or cruise inn's. I would love to talk to you in person.Thanks for the pictures

If it’s antique car related I’ve been there. Over the years I have attended many cruise ins and car shows in and around Northern Ohio. Including Wings and Wheels, CCCA @ Stan Hewet, AACA meets now @ Hale Farm, Buick Clubs shows, FoMoCo meets at Gilmour Academy, Ursuline College Car Show, Glenmoor Gathering of Significant Automobiles.

Some of the more prestigious shows are the Classic Car Club meets at the Gilmore Museum in Hickory and other Grand Classics around the US, Meadow Brook Concours d'Elegance, Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance, Amelia Island Concours d'Elegance, Willistead Classic Concours d'Elegance in Windsor Ontario, Eyes on Design show, Old Car Festival Meet at Greenfield Village, AACA National at Hershey and Grand Nationals. Packard's Magnum Opus, and Len Immke Arthritis Foundation Car Show.

However like so many other fellow enthusiasts, I have come to realize that the “Best view of these old cars’ comes from behind the wheel! Consequently I prefer to tour with the brass groups (pre 1915) around the US and Canada. And log over 2,000 miles a year Moreover my next purchase will be a 1904 or earlier car to tour with the one & two cylinder groups. Then hopefully participate in the charm of the London to Brighton Veteran Car Run that can be traced back to a celebration in 1896, when England passed a law raising the speed limit from 4 to 14 MPH.
 
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Have you 2 Chervolet pick ups?


The gray Chevrolet Avalanche 2500 that you may have noticed in earlier postings was traded in for a new 2006 black one a few months ago. It was only four years old with 70,000 miles. Never spent a dime on it other than oil and gasoline.. When I found out that General Motors decided to discontinue the ¾ ton series I scrambled and replaced it.

Someone once posted why anyone would purchase an Avalanche in another thread. I can tell you it suits my needs very well. It is the best vehicle I have ever owned, and I have easily purchased a 100 cars in my lifetime. It seats five people very comfortable and has most all the bells & whilses that any luxury car has. Such as heated leather seats, side air bags, power sun roof, satellite navigation system, Bose sound system with CD player & XM Radio, OnStar, & power heated side mirrors. Plus it can handle towing a trailer up to 12,000 pounds and 2,000 pound loads in the bed!
 

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I've seen it all an EDM machine in a garage - that's incredible.

What's the ceiling height?

You sir have the best lift money can buy- Mohawk.

Very nice. One thing, I never saw the house??

John
 
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I've seen it all an EDM machine in a garage - that's incredible.

What's the ceiling height?

You sir have the best lift money can buy- Mohawk.

Very nice. One thing, I never saw the house??

John

The height of the ceiling in my working garage is 12',, that still allows me a nine foot hook height on my bridge crane... I wanted it higher; but the local Architectural Review Board wouldn’t have it. Along with a lot of other things I would have done.

There is nothing that compares to a Mohawk Lift including the price. The price is almost twice that of a Rotary. And a Rotary certainly is a fantastic lift. But how do you put a price on anything that you would work under. I know I sure wouldn’t consider working under a car that is being supported by a $1500.00 imported lift.


Photographs of house??? And I thought this was a garage site?

It is a typical 3600 square foot three bedroom colonial built in 1976 that needed lots of updating let alone upkeep. Besides painting most all the walls and ceilings, I installed 1500 square feet of 3/4" tongue and groove Bruce hardwood flooring, finished off 1800 feet of the basement including a full bathroom, remodeled the master bathroom and ceramic tiled the other second floor bathroom, added a laundry room to the second floor, added first floor pantry, converted heating system to heat-pump / natural gas increasing main trunks in order to heat and air condition the 24x24' three-season room, added wood beck and shed roof over walk-out basement, and updated main house Federal load center to 200 Amp General Electric.

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I built a wishing well over the cistern crock located in the yard.
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Fantastic post.

What do you use the EDM machine for ? I assume that it is an Electrostatic Discharge Machine, just wondering what you normally used it for at home ?
 

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I had owned an operated a CNC machine shop for close to 20 years. 15-25 employees over the years. As I read your post I had a feeling you were in the business. Wish I could have taken some of the machines and tools when I left the business to my brother. However, having a smaller detached, 30'x50' with an additional 600 sf above, I have not enough room with my class A in there as well. I wanted to add on but our county won't allow me with the current set back laws. :mad:

Very nice set up. Thanks for sharing and enjoy the new shop!

My family is from Ohio, Mason area.
 

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Oldcarguy- there is no doubt the Mohawk is expensive- but it is THE best two-post lift money can buy.

All hydruallically coupled- no chains or cables. The Bend Pak appears to be a knock off of the Mohawk and it is about 1/2 the price.
 

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Oldcarguy,
I dont know how you have done as much as you have, that is truley impressive. I would be willing to work for free as an apprentice for all of next summer just to learn a fraction of the skills you have. I'm young and have a strong back and am gaining an engineering degree. Let me know when you would like me to fly over... -Brett
 
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Fantastic post.

What do you use the EDM machine for ? I assume that it is an Electrostatic Discharge Machine, just wondering what you normally used it for at home ?

EDM actually stands for Electrical Discharge Machining,, and is primary used in Die Sinking in hardened metals, even carbide, or producing shapes that would be impossible or impractical by conventional machining methods. An electrode acts as the cutter and usually made of carbon ( but sometimes copper, brass, or other alloy) and is mounted in the ram controlled by hydraulics that is connected to the power source. A series of rapidly recurring electrical arcing as the electrode is slowly fed into the workpiece in a submerged oil bath. The EDM cutting tool is guided along the desired path very close to the work but it does not touch the piece. Consecutive sparks produce a series of micro-craters on the work piece and remove material along the cutting path by melting and vaporizing the workpiece. And the particles are washed away by the continuously flushing oil bath.

There is more to it than that, and most likely more than you may want to know. But when the local Cadillac dealer doesn’t have a part for my 1914,, I need to reproduce it. And this is a tool that will help me reproduce it. It has been helpful simply removing broken pins, drills, or taps. Or putting holes (or even tapping holes) in hardened parts. And saves a lot of time machining thin deep ribs, say as narrow as .020" and 4" deep, into steel or brass parts.
 
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I had owned an operated a CNC machine shop for close to 20 years. 15-25 employees over the years. As I read your post I had a feeling you were in the business. Wish I could have taken some of the machines and tools when I left the business to my brother. However, having a smaller detached, 30'x50' with an additional 600 sf above, I have not enough room with my class A in there as well. I wanted to add on but our county won't allow me with the current set back laws. :mad:

Very nice set up. Thanks for sharing and enjoy the new shop!

My family is from Ohio, Mason area.

I started out as a toolmaker as a trade, went into tooling engineering, then onto management. I have collected my toys for more than 40 years. Many have come from auction sales and have been had at a fraction of their original value.

I have spent a small fortune and a lot of time working (I should say fighting) the local bureaucrats to be able to build and have my dream... In my mind a total waste,,, someone telling me what I can or cannot build on my property that no one can see what I’m building other than from an airplane!
 
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Oldcarguy- there is no doubt the Mohawk is expensive- but it is THE best two-post lift money can buy.

All hydruallically coupled- no chains or cables. The Bend Pak appears to be a knock off of the Mohawk and it is about 1/2 the price.

I have not seen nor know about a Bendpak lift that you mentioned without any cables or chains. So I cannot give my personal opinions about it.

However no BendPak lift that I know about can hold a candle to a Mohawk! Furthermore one of their engineers told me that all their lifts under 10,000 pound capacity are actually made I China and only assembled and painted in the USA,, making it possible to market at a lower price than their direct competition.

Thought I have heard of another manufactured lift with direct cylinder lifting; but they were not ALI Certified and I wasn’t impressed with what they offered. .
 

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OldCarGuy said:
I started out as a toolmaker as a trade, went into tooling engineering, then onto management. I have collected my toys for more than 40 years. Many have come from auction sales and have been had at a fraction of their original value.

I have spent a small fortune and a lot of time working (I should say fighting) the local bureaucrats to be able to build and have my dream... In my mind a total waste,,, someone telling me what I can or cannot build on my property that no one can see what I’m building other than from an airplane!

Good point about buying equipment from auctions. There are always shops going under and then go to auction. You really can get some great deals. We had a Bridgeport with the EZ Track add on system. Nice set up. Does not take nearly as much power as a true CNC vertical milling machine. Less space as well.

It does take time (years) to have a collection of sorts. You had a dream, and the vision to get there. True about the red tape of local govenments that can get in the way. Looks like you were able to push on and get it done, perhaps not the one big building you would have prefered but still not all that bad.

Wish you were MY neighbor. I really miss being around machine tools. With the cars, you have have one of the nicest set ups I have seen. What fun that must be to make your own parts that go to the cars you are restoring.
 
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