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Old 07-12-2011, 01:28 PM   #1
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40 X 60 with 14 foot wall stick frame - vaulted ceiling with scissor trusses
6" reinforced slab with geothermal heat pump - radiant floor heat
Two 10 x 10 doors and one 12 x 12 door
Lots of windows up high for natural light
12 X 18 office
18 X 28 fab room (dirty bay)
320 amp electrical service with plans for PT-355 Digital Phase Converter
Two 2 post lifts
Plumbing for bathroom and water spigots
Wired for communications from house
Primary use will be street and track car design, fabrication, and tuning
Comments and suggestions welcome

Project begins - June 10, 2011 Day 1

June 16, 2011 - Dug down to solid clay and added pitrun to footing grade

I'm getting a shop so the family gets a new garden and playground

Running water from house to garden

June 26, 2011 Garden almost complete

Shop construction took a 2 week break
July 6, 2011 Garden and Playground

July 8, 2011 Shop construction resumes, drain plumbed to septic system and footing forms in place

July 11, 2011 Footing reinforcement, drain cleanout, conduit for water, com, extra 2" for future use

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Old 07-12-2011, 02:45 PM   #2
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Wow.

I am printing off those designed and hanging them on my wall. Perfect.

Can you tell me what program you used for that? I don't care for google sketch up.
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Old 07-12-2011, 02:54 PM   #3
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SolidWorks CAD software. Not the greatest for achitecture but I can't stand working in 2D (autocad, etc).
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Old 07-13-2011, 08:01 PM   #4
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Going to be nice. Taking care of the wife and kids is good family politics. When I retired my wife got a pool and deck. I got a shop.

Fast forward. Currently building a garden shed for my wife with a storage section for me. Win win is better than alimony!
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It looks like you have two lifts in the same bay. Do you plan to lift two rigs that are in the bay end to end and only a 40' bay. Wouldn't that get kinda tight? I know from working in many 24' deep shops that 24' is to short to work comfortably around a single rig so two in 40' seems really tight.

Otherwise I think your plan looks great. Are you going to give us a plan wth the interior walls?

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Old 07-13-2011, 08:58 PM   #6
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It looks like you have two lifts in the same bay. Do you plan to lift two rigs that are in the bay end to end and only a 40' bay. Wouldn't that get kinda tight? I know from working in many 24' deep shops that 24' is to short to work comfortably around a single rig so two in 40' seems really tight.

Otherwise I think your plan looks great. Are you going to give us a plan wth the interior walls?

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I noticed that also, im thinking he couldnt find a 4 post model to fit in their so used two, two posts.
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Old 07-14-2011, 01:07 PM   #7
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where are you in the Northwest? i'm in Lynnwood, WA and would be interested in hearing more about your work on street/track cars and tuning. if you're close by maybe i could stop by and check the progress of your build too. looks like you have it under control so far!
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Old 07-14-2011, 05:11 PM   #8
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It looks like you have two lifts in the same bay. Do you plan to lift two rigs that are in the bay end to end and only a 40' bay. Wouldn't that get kinda tight? I know from working in many 24' deep shops that 24' is to short to work comfortably around a single rig so two in 40' seems really tight.

Otherwise I think your plan looks great. Are you going to give us a plan wth the interior walls?
Working on the exact placement of the lifts now. It will be tight but most of the vehicles on the lifts will be very small (sports cars). I'm used to working in a 22' long bay with a single asymmetric lift which is fine for sports cars but gets a little cramped with larger vehicles. Planning to have 8'6" in front of the forward lift and 12' behind the rear lift (using two asymmetric two post lifts). Most long vehicles (trucks) eat up space on the rear side so I can either use the forward lift with nothing on the rear lift and have 30' of clearance or use the rear lift with the 10' x 10' door open. I'm planning to put work benches on the side of the lifts rather than in front to get as much working clearance as possible. One thing to consider is that a tandem lift setup can share the clearance at one end (rear clearance of front lift can overlap the front clearance of the rear lift - clear as mud right).

If it ends up too cramped, I'll move one lift to the center bay.
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Old 07-14-2011, 05:18 PM   #9
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where are you in the Northwest? i'm in Lynnwood, WA and would be interested in hearing more about your work on street/track cars and tuning. if you're close by maybe i could stop by and check the progress of your build too. looks like you have it under control so far!
In Bellingham area. Moved from Lynnwood a few years ago.
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Old 07-14-2011, 05:29 PM   #10
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July 12, 2011 Stem Wall Forms





July 13, 2011 Stem Wall Pour

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Old 07-14-2011, 05:48 PM   #11
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Gonna be a nice big building!! Looking at the surrounding area, I guessed that you were north of me. Those foothills looked familiar. I live in Arlington. My son lives in B'ham and goes to Western. Looking forward to seeing this one take shape.
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Old 07-14-2011, 06:59 PM   #12
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I went to Western too a few years back. If that's the B'ham area, you must be out there. I don't recall seeing that much space anywhere near town or campus.

Looks like its going to be a great building.
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Holy chinchilla! I can not believe how much room you have up north Jared! If I ever get out of my shop I will stop by! About to put the 911 on blocks and do some rust surgery on the front so I might be 'offline' for a while 14' walls eh! You just had to go 1' 8" taller than me ...ha ha. Good call on the high windows. The wall space is going to be a premium once you start moving in. Ask me how I know. Very cool shop and congrats on breaking ground.

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Old 07-14-2011, 10:26 PM   #14
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Lots of Western Alumni on here including myself (Class of '99) and Bryan (combatic).
Bryan, I realize building a shop and a 911 make it hard to find the time to update a build thread but you should really have your shop build on here.
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Old 07-15-2011, 06:18 PM   #15
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The good alumni are from UW (99 myself)!
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I'd like to learn what is the purpose of having the stem walls, instead of framing the wall on top of a shorter footing.

I'm a naive newby when it comes to cement pouring and wood framing.

Also would like comments from Western WA locals as to pros and cons of a stick framed shop vs a "pole bldg" design vs steel (for that matter)

Thanks for the education

FYI, I live in Renton,WA and am wanting to buy a home with shop in South King County
or House with land and have shop built.
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The most obvious is the moisture aspect from washing the floor or vehicles in there. Another advantage is the termite issue in those area's with them. Get the wood up as high as possible.
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Make sure you run the gable studs full length to the underside of the roof deck or you will have a hinge rather than solid lateral support.

Ask me why I know...LOL...I had to cut out every 3rd plate to scab on some full height studs after my truss engineer pointed it out for my scissor trusses. I'm just 20 minutes north of you in Langley BC. Check out my build:

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I'd like to learn what is the purpose of having the stem walls, instead of framing the wall on top of a shorter footing.

I'm a naive newby when it comes to cement pouring and wood framing.

Also would like comments from Western WA locals as to pros and cons of a stick framed shop vs a "pole bldg" design vs steel (for that matter)

Thanks for the education

FYI, I live in Renton,WA and am wanting to buy a home with shop in South King County
or House with land and have shop built.
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You will have to check your local building code. Pole buildings go up very fast and are usually much cheaper than stick frame buildings but I don't thing they can go up in 'city limits'

In hindsight I should have built stem walls and a foundation but I poured a turn down slab (forms only on the outside) to 'save time and money' b/c I was the one building all the forms. I ended up spending way more on concrete and I ended up having to seal all my base boards and used plastic 1x6 base boards so I can rinse my shop out if need be. PITA to build and caulk everything. I wasted time and money in the end.

Pole buildings will last usually 15-20 years or longer if you set pressure treated poles in gravel for drainage. Concrete is a no no. It seals the moisture in according to some research I did a while back. Drainage will have a direct impact on the longevity of your poles. Or these could be compelling and maybe cost effective. I just stumbled onto these...permacolumn

Btw- Think about wooden telephone poles...they last a while but I think the bases are soaked in creosote or oil...just like back on the farm

Steel buildings go up fast and are generally cheaper than a stick frame building. When I was considering building I didn't feel comfortable trying to finish the interior and have a good result. As a matter of personal taste I generally don't like steel buildings, they stick out like a sore thumb and they can be so much bigger than the residence. Durability is similar to a stick frame building if taken care of and you can have very wide spans engineered for no posts. Stick frame starts limiting out at 40' wide for clear spans anything wider and costs go up up up.

Stick Frame is what I went with for the following reasons. a) I have done enough remodels and building over the years that I am very comfortable working with wood walls and I know how to attach to it, modify the layout, make it structural etc. b) I wanted my step-dad to help me frame it up because he was a carpenter long ago and I got to spend time with him while building my shop. c) my shop is very close to my house so eventually I will shingle it and then the two buildings will look the same and not hodge podge. Also, since I built it I did not incur all the labor costs. I actually only paid to have the concrete poured and finished my building is worth 3 or 4x than what I paid in materials.

whew, a lot to write but the takeaway is- cost, looks and durability are what you will be debating. If you build it yourself then you have to factor in what you are comfortable building...steel buildings are like erector sets with plans. Stick frame is straightforward IF you know what you are doing.

Good luck!

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