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Old 10-31-2011, 09:50 PM   #1
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Default 2000 Ford Escort ZX2 timing question

Friends car broke down today, I had her tow it to my house so I could look at it when I got home. Found one of the timing idlers bolt broke, causing it to jump time of course.

I'm pretty sure this engine is an interference engine, anybody have any experience with how bad this might be? My plan is to replace the bolt, put it back in time, and diagnose further if needed. Which leads to my second question.

How do I put this thing back in time? Looks like I'll need some "special" tools which looks like a piece of flat stock to hold the cams in place while I do everything. Do I really need to buy these tools?
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Old 10-31-2011, 09:55 PM   #2
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At the back side of both cams there is a slot. The special tool is pretty much just a flat bar that slides into both slots and sits level with where the valve cover bolts.
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Old 10-31-2011, 09:57 PM   #3
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At the back side of both cams there is a slot. The special tool is pretty much just a flat bar that slides into both slots and sits level with where the valve cover bolts.
So just line the slots up and that's that? Any way for them to be 180 degrees out?
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Old 10-31-2011, 09:58 PM   #4
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You do not 'need' to buy this tool as long as you have something to slide into that slot to lock them in place. If I remember correctly certain years have those slots recessed which is a bit more of a pain. Some others you can simply slide a file of the appropriate size into both the slots to lock lock them in place. On these engines it is absolutely critical the the cams are timed properly.
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Old 10-31-2011, 10:01 PM   #5
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Default Re: 2000 Ford Escort ZX2 timing question

What about the other tool that I've seen recommended? It looks like its a TDC stop?
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Old 10-31-2011, 10:07 PM   #6
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I've never had to use the other tool. I believe all it does is it stops the crank from rotating pass cyl1 tdc. Just keep an eye on it.
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Old 10-31-2011, 11:13 PM   #7
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Default Re: 2000 Ford Escort ZX2 timing question

Im working on a 99 now. Timing belt idler pulley froze up and streched the belt. They are an interference motor. Have to pull the head on the one im doin. Has bent valves.

I just use a flat file to line the cams up.
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Old 10-31-2011, 11:14 PM   #8
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this engine is not interference.... few years later it is interfere engine...

i do seen many of those car came in with idler pulley bolt broke off... all we has to is drill out the broke bolt, install new bolt and inspect the water pump and timing belt to see if it is better to do the water pump and timing belt repmacement same time.. there is a new kit for timing belt that has everything to replacement it...

even old techs who wokr on those a lot, one old heavy line tech own a 1999 Escort, he just replaced the timing belt because it is broke then few miles later, idler pulley broke on timing belt... so he got it whole kit to put it on and run again... no valve bents as it is freewheeling engine...
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Old 11-02-2011, 04:35 PM   #9
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Thanks for the replies guys. Gonna tear into this and see what happens with it.
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Old 11-02-2011, 05:06 PM   #10
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You can get both tools from amazon for like $25 shipped if you have prime...

http://www.amazon.com/OTC-6486-Tool-...0271546&sr=8-6
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Old 11-02-2011, 05:08 PM   #11
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They are listed as interference...but out of the many I have done (including my own) I have only had to replace valves once.
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Old 11-02-2011, 06:09 PM   #12
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I've used drill bits & the collet tools for a die grinder to line up the cams.
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Old 11-03-2011, 07:20 AM   #13
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ZX2 engines are non-interference. Repeat, they are non-interference. One more time, just for effect: they are non-interference. It isn't until you start shaving the head quite a bit or adding bigger cams that it becomes interference. Mine (milled 0.070", .413" cams) is.

Doing the timing belt on these is not too hard. When you get #1 to TDC, the exhaust cam lobes should be pointing towards the front of the car and the intake cam towards the back. The special tools (I have both) make it easier but are not required, as long you have something that can fit in that slot and hold the cams in place. The only thing that can be a little tricky is making sure the VCT mechanism on the exhaust cam is in the right position.

There's a great write-up in the Knowledge Base section of www.teamzx2.com if you need more help/guidance.
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Old 11-03-2011, 08:17 AM   #14
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Default Re: 2000 Ford Escort ZX2 timing question

(funny the amount of "non-inteference/interference" talk).. sorry to jack, I just had to say something.

As far as non interference goes, it isn't too hard to repair- if it hits valves, price can skyrocket.--- a non interference engine will not hit valves unless you have extensive work done to it as with SullyZX2SR has... then they will hit pistons.
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Old 11-14-2011, 05:07 PM   #15
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Ok guys, I've got a Gates timing kit and some more questions. How do I know that the cams are phased correctly? (IE: not 180 degrees out from one another.) Also, how will I know that they are phased correctly with the crank at TDC?
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Old 11-14-2011, 05:33 PM   #16
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Default Re: 2000 Ford Escort ZX2 timing question

the slots in the cams are off center on the back of them so the flat bar only goes into them at the top. if they are upside down the slots are to low to get the bar into them. been awhile since i've done one but the timing mark for the crank will be on the harmonic damper or the flywheel just don't remember which without it in front of me.
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Old 11-16-2011, 08:00 PM   #17
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you need a piece of steel that will fit into the slots on the back of the cams (there is a tool made for this) but any flat stock steel that will fit will work. that will put thew cams where they need to be and will hold them there. here is a link to the tools on amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/OTC-6486-Tool-...1495149&sr=1-2
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