Welcome to the The Garage Journal Board forums.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.

Go Back   The Garage Journal Board > The Tools > General Tool Discussion

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 03-09-2012, 09:23 PM   #1
GSMotorrad
Senior Member
 
GSMotorrad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 199
Default Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

I'm trying to figure out if I should get all congruent numbers, or opt for these sets that skip "useless" sizes.

Some wrench sets skip 20mm. Has anyone ever needed a 20mm? I can't say that I ever have. What about 23mm? I usually go from 32mm all the way to 36mm, so are all those sizes in between going to be a waste of money?

Do we get these "in-between" sizes, only to make our sets aesthetically pleasing - because that IS important, somewhat.

I'm looking at Hex Socket kits and trying to decide if I need the 7mm Hex, or the 9mm Hex. I've never needed those sizes, but if I ever do...

I don't think I've ever needed a 16mm or an 11mm either, none that I can recall.

I'm so confused trying to buy these sets; do I get larger sizes and skip the "never used" sizes, or do I get every single number in order?

I don't want to be "missing" any sizes, but I also don't want to get tools I'll never use in my entire life. What's the general consensus here?
GSMotorrad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2012, 09:26 PM   #2
98TJ
Senior Member
 
98TJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Honolulu, HI
Posts: 1,033
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

7mm hex is popular when working on interiors of vehicles. Ford specifically.

It bugs me to not have a size. I have 10-25mm in 1/2" drive but don't have a 26mm. Oddly enough, my Hansen socket tray doesn't have a 26mm slot.

I also don't buy sockets just to fill the empty spaces in the Hansen trays, but I'm a member of the "better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it" crowd.

Also, I'll usually have the size I need in another drive size.

Like right now - I need some good SAE flare nut wrenches. When I bought the metrics I didn't go ahead and get the SAE set like I normally do. Now that I need them, I can't find a USA set at Sears.
__________________
If it's worth building, it's worth over-building.

Last edited by 98TJ; 03-09-2012 at 09:41 PM.
98TJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 03-09-2012, 09:31 PM   #3
KPSquared
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Wetaskiwin, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 2,650
Default

My set skipped 18mm. . .I had to go buy one. Skipped 20mm. . .had to go buy one. Now I have 2 of everything from 4 mm to 34mm. Even if I only use one once, it's worth it.
__________________
My Garage in the Works --> CLICK HERE
KPSquared is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2012, 09:44 PM   #4
tbobbo
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Bismarck, ND
Posts: 249
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

I obviously use aome sizes more than others, but i dont have a unused socket in my sets. Maybe my 3/8 20 mm short. I have a 3/8 deep and 1/2 short and deep that are used. 23 mm is dodge 1/2 ton lugnuts. 7mm hex is some dodge break calipers. I used both yesterday. I think my 1/2 sets from gp only skip one number......33 or 29 i cant remember. I use my 23 wrench in place of 7/8 when i dont want to run to my box. (When using my ball joint press)
tbobbo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2012, 09:49 PM   #5
BobsurUncle
Member
 
BobsurUncle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Tracy, Ca.
Posts: 96
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

It's always better to have full sets.

I personally can not stand missing sizes. I always fill them in.
__________________
Dan


Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning. ~Winston Churchill, 1942
BobsurUncle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2012, 09:52 PM   #6
Outlawmws
Senior Member
 
Outlawmws's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: The Badlands
Posts: 15,303
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

I bought basic sets (wrenches and sockets) and only buy what I need if it's missing. (Unless I happen to find it super cheap at a yard sale of something... )

Metric sockets jump from 22mm to 50mm with some other gaps in the smaller sizes.
__________________
-Outlaw


Outlaw's Shed Thread




Outlaw's Garage Sale - For sale or trade... Last Update w/new items 8/21/2012 - P9, (More auto books)

Outlaw's Garage sale - Feedback


"It might be for sale or trade, it never hurts to ask..."
Outlawmws is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2012, 10:28 PM   #7
pmohr
Senior Member
 
pmohr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Maryville, TN
Posts: 158
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

By 'hex socket kit' are you referring to bit sockets? If so, 7mm is extremely common for Euro brake caliper bolts, and you'll find some Ford caliper bolts to be 9mm.

11mm (though it might be 7/16) is used on pretty much every GM for the intermediate shaft bolts, and 16mm is again back into the Euro territory (VW and BMW at the least).

I don't see the point of trying to get every single size socket or wrench 'just because', but I'll pick one up if I anticipate a need for it in the foreseeable future. The random things like a 24mm 3/8" deep socket, or a 22mm ratcheting wrench, or a 9mm 12pt 1/2" drive socket, or a 7/64" nut driver, you won't really know you'll need until one of those 'oh crap, wish I had that' moments.
pmohr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2012, 10:31 PM   #8
ev2mopar
Senior Member
 
ev2mopar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: woodbridge new jersey
Posts: 242
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

I always used to laugh at the 5.5mm sockets. I find that I use it often on fords, along with my 7mm swivel, which is great for ignition coils on the Crown Vics in our police fleet.
I can't recall the size (6.7?) But I had to get the socket for a BMW fuel filter strap a few months back.
I don't forsee that little socket getting much use but, hey, at least I know I did it right.
__________________
Just my $0.02 of opinion.
ev2mopar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2012, 10:37 PM   #9
geologist
Senior Member
 
geologist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 5,172
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

19/32 and 25/32 - most people laugh, until you happen to need them for an older Ford. Nothing irritates me more than buying what should be a complete tool set only to have sizes skipped. It doesn't matter to me if a 20mm is only used on the wanker switch of a x-58 wadjet grinder, if it exists, I still want the wrench/socket/etc.
__________________
Speak the truth, even if your voice shakes.

Last edited by StevenBiars; 03-09-2012 at 10:40 PM.
geologist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2012, 11:10 PM   #10
joe.gravelle
Senior Member
 
joe.gravelle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Winter Garden,FL
Posts: 1,611
Default

I never used my 11 mm anything until I owned a Delorean. Nothing but 11 mm fasteners on that thing.
joe.gravelle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2012, 11:16 PM   #11
Dale B
Senior Member
 
Dale B's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Rowland Hts , SoCal
Posts: 876
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

16,17 and 18 are popular on Case and New Holland Backhoes and other Const equip.
Dale B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2012, 11:24 PM   #12
greasemonkey44
Senior Member
 
greasemonkey44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: memphis
Posts: 1,605
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

9mm are rare but exist
11mm is fairly common on fords iirc(doubles as a 7/16)
16mm is common(euro cars); mostly because it fits a 5/8
20mm is a gm fuel filter; most people use an adjustable

if i need it once i buy it; t60 torx bit, 27mm wrench, allen bit sockets(3/8, 7 and 9 ....all on brake calipers)
it is aggravating when you buy a big socket set and they leave out a 13 or 18......us and euro use 18s alot
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by countryroad82
I don't break tools very often, when I do it is in grand fashion and normally my fault.

Last edited by greasemonkey44; 03-09-2012 at 11:27 PM.
greasemonkey44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2012, 11:38 PM   #13
SMKS
Senior Member
 
SMKS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,947
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

I never used my 16 and 18 wrenches until working on my girlfriend's VW. Lots of 16 and 18mm bolts in the suspension.
SMKS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2012, 11:40 PM   #14
RAYJAY
Senior Member
 
RAYJAY's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: UNION DALE PA
Posts: 1,797
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ev2mopar View Post
I always used to laugh at the 5.5mm sockets. I find that I use it often on fords, along with my 7mm swivel, which is great for ignition coils on the Crown Vics in our police fleet.
I can't recall the size (6.7?) But I had to get the socket for a BMW fuel filter strap a few months back.
I don't forsee that little socket getting much use but, hey, at least I know I did it right.

the 5.5 is super important if working on fords a lot of the inside stuff dash work is 5.5
__________________
Quote:
A bolt doesn't care where the wrench was made.
Quote:
Thank You Snap On, I now know how it feels to be toilet paper
Quote:
People complain that "Craftsman warranty depends on who you talk to at the store"....

"SNAP-ON warranty depends on your dealer - at 10x the cost."
RAYJAY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2012, 11:40 PM   #15
infinite97
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vancouver, WA
Posts: 36
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

in my industry, the extremely common sizes are 10, 12, 13, 14, 17, 19, 24, 27, 30, 32, 36, 41, 46, 50, 55.

I still bought a complete set, because why not? I know I will never use that 26mm socket, but oh well, it was only a few bucks, right?
infinite97 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2012, 11:42 PM   #16
MN Falcon
Senior Member
 
MN Falcon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Minneapolis MN
Posts: 243
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?



I stole this pict from someone on GJ classifies. I just had to have it because it points out that I am missing all of the tenths of a mm between the even numbers
__________________
List of Proto metric sockets and Thorsen sockets I am looking for:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=129192

Last edited by MN Falcon; 03-15-2012 at 08:53 PM.
MN Falcon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2012, 11:48 PM   #17
skang
Senior Member
 
skang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,630
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

If you are only working on one vehicle, you could skip some. But otherwise you will end up needing all sizes.
skang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2012, 11:49 PM   #18
Knuckle Buster
Senior Member
 
Knuckle Buster's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Middle TN
Posts: 663
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by stephen9666 View Post
I never used my 16 and 18 wrenches until working on my girlfriend's VW. Lots of 16 and 18mm bolts in the suspension.
18mm is also common on gm rear control arms from late 70's through late 80's. Also found on alot of GM A/C pumps.
__________________
~Waitin' in the front yard sittin' on a log,.. single shot riffle and a one eyed dog~ Mel McDaniel

Last edited by Knuckle Buster; 03-09-2012 at 11:52 PM.
Knuckle Buster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2012, 11:50 PM   #19
Deception
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: New York
Posts: 114
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

Ive had worm & t bolt clamps that used 7mm & 8mm. Honda rear diff uses a 24mm drain & 23mm fill. You can get away with skipping some sizes, but it sucks when you're in the middle of a job & have to run out to buy another socket.
Deception is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2012, 11:55 PM   #20
Murphy4570
Senior Member
 
Murphy4570's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: West Deptford NJ
Posts: 2,133
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

Wrench and socket sets that skip sizes are a reason why I loathe most toolsets aimed at the weekend warrior demographic. What use is a socket set that doesn't have 7, 11, 13, 18mm, etc?

I have used every socket size on things, yes there are 9mm bolt heads. As others have said, 5.5mm is used a LOT in Fords. You can substitute a 7/32" socket in a pinch though, as it is the same size (well, 5.55mm). Older Fords used a 7/32" bolt head for TFI modules on distributors, 5.5mm socket works just as well!

The only socket size I can say I have never used is 4mm. Came in my Snappy 1/4" drive sets, never used it.

You would also be surprised at how much fastener heads can "shrink" from rust up here in the rust belt northeast, and finding that a 15mm bolt head has become a 12 or 13mm!!! Knowing where standard sizes fall in relation to metrics comes in handy for this. For example, 1/2" is slightly smaller than 13mm.
Murphy4570 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2012, 12:04 AM   #21
JASTECH
Senior Member
 
JASTECH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Gering, NE
Posts: 2,671
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

98tj, buzzard gulch has them in Wright in a SAE set for 79.00
JASTECH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2012, 06:02 AM   #22
TheCarbideRat
Senior Member
 
TheCarbideRat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: a laundromat
Posts: 381
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

33mm - GM axle nut
TheCarbideRat is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 03-10-2012, 09:17 AM   #23
WHT
Senior Member
 
WHT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 238
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheCarbideRat View Post
33mm - GM axle nut
To make it more confusing, some GM axle nuts have been revised to 34mm (new supplier) and you now need both sockets or have to replace all of the nuts (GM axle nuts are "use one time" deformed threading).
WHT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2012, 09:21 AM   #24
bsaint
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Toledo Ohio
Posts: 2,458
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

I HATE when a set skips 16mm. WTF
__________________
USA built belt sanders. Indexable 3-wheel and 2-wheel frames. Brand new. Engineered and manufactured in the Midwest. Priced between Kalamazoo and Burr King / Dynabrade. Belt widths between 1" and 3" and lengths between 42" and 72" Visit www.deburrit.com
bsaint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2012, 09:50 AM   #25
MN Falcon
Senior Member
 
MN Falcon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Minneapolis MN
Posts: 243
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

I bought a 309pc Craftsman set last fall and the ratcheting wrenches skip several sizes, Oh well, I guess with that type of thing you can't expect a full set just the most common. I was surprised though to see it didn't come with a 20mm 12pt 3/8" drive socket but had both the 19mm and 21mm. I looked to see how much it would cost if I bought a single and could not find this socket as even being available as a Craftsman socket.
__________________
List of Proto metric sockets and Thorsen sockets I am looking for:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=129192

Last edited by MN Falcon; 03-15-2012 at 08:52 PM.
MN Falcon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2012, 10:59 AM   #26
dazcapri
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: durham uk
Posts: 75
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by stephen9666 View Post
I never used my 16 and 18 wrenches until working on my girlfriend's VW. Lots of 16 and 18mm bolts in the suspension.
mine were first used on a SEAT (part of VW). My European Escort van has a bolt holding the bottom suspension wishbone on and that's 18mm one side 15mm the other.
dazcapri is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2012, 11:01 AM   #27
hunterguy86
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 27
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

11 mm deep well is useful to remove intercooler boots on the duramax.

What I hate is I bought kobalt socket trays and started filling them with kobalt sockets. The 3/8's tray goes all the way to 1 inch but kobalt sockets stop at 7/8's. I figure if I need 15/16 or 1" I'll grab a 1/2" drive buy it just irritates me that they trays have empty holes that take up space in my box.
hunterguy86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2012, 11:53 AM   #28
jjjrmx5
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Posts: 3,343
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Murphy4570 View Post
Wrench and socket sets that skip sizes are a reason why I loathe most tool sets aimed at the weekend warrior demographic. What use is a socket set that doesn't have 7, 11, 13, 18mm, etc?
Thus the difference between professional aimed tool sets vs. the hobbyist or weekend warrior sets and it bugs the crap out of me too though.

If Sears offered a full and complete set of sockets like Snap-On does in each set, the price would rise to the point where sales would plummet.

Sears sells sets that covers 75% to80% of what the buyer needs adn then forces him to fill in the rest. Given their price of open stock sockets, Sears makes that sale price up very quickly.

It irritates me more when certain sizes are not even offered , even individually in open stock.

I think that only us hard core tool users or professional techs see the need for complete sizes tool sets and are willing to pay for such, but I'm guessing the common tool buyer is oblivious to it.


Quote:
What I hate is I bought kobalt socket trays and started filling them with kobalt sockets. The 3/8's tray goes all the way to 1 inch but kobalt sockets stop at 7/8's. I figure if I need 15/16 or 1" I'll grab a 1/2" drive buy it just irritates me that they trays have empty holes that take up space in my box.
LOL.
You do know that there are other socket storage solutions out there don;t you?

That's like buying a house with a big closet that has a 6" long rod to hang clothes on and then has compartments for 200 pairs of shoes in the rest. Does that mean I toss out all of my clothes down to a few shirts and pants and then go but another 175 pairs of shoes to fill things up?
I don't think so.
Storage of anything should be customizable to fit YOUR needs, and not what someone THINKS you need.
__________________
"The best part about drinking boxed wine is you can blow up the bag and use it as a pillow at the end of the night..." LOL

Last edited by jjjrmx5; 03-10-2012 at 11:59 AM.
jjjrmx5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2012, 12:18 PM   #29
wafrederick
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Holton,Mi
Posts: 4,487
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

15mm is left out sometimes.The mostly used Metric sizes I use are 8mm,10mm,13mm,15mm and 18mm since GM,Chrysler and Ford use these sizes a lot.I have one 20mm wrench just for GM fuel filters and some a/c lines and ran into this for Chrysler powersteeing lines lately on a 2002 Dodge Ram.
36mm is also a commonly used for axle nuts including 30mm and 32mm.
wafrederick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2012, 01:15 PM   #30
trboxman
Senior Member
 
trboxman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: North Bend, WA
Posts: 660
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheCarbideRat View Post
33mm - GM axle nut
36mm on 3/4ton trucks.
__________________
The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.
- Herbert Spencer
trboxman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2012, 01:43 PM   #31
RRmech
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Santa Fe, NM
Posts: 827
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

Variation on Murphy's Law............................................... ...............

The one size they skip, is the one size you need.

Steve
RRmech is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2012, 02:15 PM   #32
Jim C.
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,184
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

20mm is the equivalent of 25/32". I've found original 25/32" nuts and bolt heads on some old Delta woodworking machinery from the 1950s. Initially, I used the 20mm wrench when I came across them. Eventually, I tracked down some wrenches and sockets that were sized on 32nd increments. I personally like to have consecutively sized sockets and wrenches without any gaps if possible. Admittedly there are some sizes that don't see much use. Most of what I like to tinker with is older cars and machines from the 1950s and 1960s, so a lot of my metric tools don't see much use to begin with.

Jim C.
Jim C. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2012, 02:42 PM   #33
Andy Griffith
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Western WA
Posts: 1,006
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheCarbideRat View Post
33mm - GM axle nut
Great, something else to buy. Don't suppose you can use a big crescent on it either, probably requires a socket?

Edit: just saw the post that says 36mm for 3/4 ton. Hell, why stop there, I might as well buy a set up to 50mm.

Had to use the 18mm the other day to get the back seat out of my GM truck.

Last edited by Andy Griffith; 03-10-2012 at 02:45 PM.
Andy Griffith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2012, 02:49 PM   #34
expfcwintergreen
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 122
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

Of the sizes mentioned by the original poster, 7mm fits the coils on recent 4.6L Ford engines; 16 and 20mm fit the fittings on Chevrolet Astro fuel filters. I can recall what on, but I have used 9 and 11mm wrenches on cars (11mm might fit the bolts on the pan of late model Impala transmissions). After you become familiar with your car, you become familiar with what wrenches you need to work on it specifically, but even then you get surprised on occasion. If you have to work on whatever comes in the door of a shop, I sure wouldn't want to skip sizes in between 6 and 20mm and probably not until I got to about 26mm. I know I don't want to be in the middle of a job and have to stop and get cleaned up to go to Sears to get a wrench I don't have, or even worse, have to wait until the next day because Sears has closed or is out of that size.

I always wished those service manuals like Haynes etc. would have a list of every size you need to work on the cars covered in the manual and the tools you would need for the work done in every section. I have had Helms factory service manuals (which were mostly over my head), and they didn't tell you what sizes or tools you need either. I know I can figure it out, but it would let me know what sizes to keep in a tool bag in the car and what sizes to take with me when I get under a car so I wouldn't have to stop work and go back to the tool box.

Last edited by expfcwintergreen; 03-10-2012 at 04:52 PM.
expfcwintergreen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2012, 03:22 PM   #35
j.c.whitney
Senior Member
 
j.c.whitney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Omaha, Ne
Posts: 558
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

Good to know I'm not the only one to obsess over missed sizes in my socket trays. Knowing full well that I'll never come across or need an oddball size, when you open the drawer it looks like you've lost a socket so all slots must be filled. Otherwise it's just not right.
__________________
Wanted: Snap On KRA 4860DPCM
j.c.whitney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2012, 04:49 PM   #36
plinker
Senior Member
 
plinker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Northern Wi
Posts: 1,948
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

From 7mm to 32mm and the only sizes I have not used (or have seen a use for yet) are 23, 25 & 26.

I used a 9mm once, had a Dakota at work with a bad brake line.
7mm is also used on 4mm bolts. 5.5mm is also found in GM's under the dash (Buick heater fan motor), so not just for Ford's anymore.

17 & 19 got replaced with 16 & 18, due to a change in Euro "DIN" standard's.
Some older set's had say 10 to 15 + 17 & 19. And that was mostly all you'd need for your avreage project from what I heard.
__________________
Have a Snap-on ratcheting screwdriver? check out this link...
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...ng+screwdriver

For hand tool warranty info, see link
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=38749
plinker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2012, 08:02 PM   #37
wafrederick
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Holton,Mi
Posts: 4,487
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

I usually use a 5/8'' on a 16mm,fits.Chrysler does use 6mm and 7mm on their smaller factory hose clamps.At work,I have at least 3 18mm,15mm,13mm and 10mm combo wrenches since I use them a lot.I have a 21mm combo wrench too,it gets used sometimes.21mm and 24mm are used on most GM and Chrysler front suspensions when replacing the front struts including rear rear struts on GMs.22mm,I use on lugnuts on 1988 and current GM full size trucks.
wafrederick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2012, 09:53 PM   #38
joe.gravelle
Senior Member
 
joe.gravelle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Winter Garden,FL
Posts: 1,611
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SKang View Post
If you are only working on one vehicle, you could skip some. But otherwise you will end up needing all sizes.
I stick to Mercedes Benz so I know what sizes I need most. But now with my parents and others asking me to help them out and do routine maintenance on their cars I am needing to get other sizes as well as branch out to SAE. I only have the SAE sizes that came with my 300 piece craftsman set. I think one day I'll invest in more SAE.
joe.gravelle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2012, 10:57 PM   #39
blackedv
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 10
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

i think i have all of one sae socket set and the only reason i bought it was because i needed a 12 pt 9/16 socket for 2 headbolts on a jeep cherokee lol. Everything i use is metric nowadays but i dont really work on anything older than 1990 and if i do i just use the equivalent metric size and get by most of the time
blackedv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2012, 11:49 PM   #40
Outlawmws
Senior Member
 
Outlawmws's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: The Badlands
Posts: 15,303
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Griffith View Post
Great, something else to buy. Don't suppose you can use a big crescent on it either, probably requires a socket?

Edit: just saw the post that says 36mm for 3/4 ton. Hell, why stop there, I might as well buy a set up to 50mm.

Had to use the 18mm the other day to get the back seat out of my GM truck.
yep, Suzuki Samurai front spindle nuts
__________________
-Outlaw


Outlaw's Shed Thread




Outlaw's Garage Sale - For sale or trade... Last Update w/new items 8/21/2012 - P9, (More auto books)

Outlaw's Garage sale - Feedback


"It might be for sale or trade, it never hurts to ask..."
Outlawmws is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2012, 12:18 AM   #41
cotjocky
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 378
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

I despise skipped pieces. It's bad enough when a "set" skips sizes, but when that brand doesn't even makes that size kills me. If I can't buy all the sizes from that brand, I usually won't buy a single one!
cotjocky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2012, 04:01 PM   #42
rebelram
Senior Member
 
rebelram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: AL
Posts: 139
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

I find that usually when I putting together tool kits and I get to metric wrenches and sockets, I insist on having these sizes included 10, 13, 15, 17. But also as of lately I am also requiring 18 to be included. 10 and 13 seem to be on just about everything that has metric bolts. The odd one that I have never had a use for until I started maintaining my wife's Toyota was a 14mm. The above sizes are fine for car tool kits. However at home I keep metric from 5mm to 24mm and a few odd sizes above that.
rebelram is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 03-12-2012, 10:29 PM   #43
mrstrictlygm
Senior Member
 
mrstrictlygm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 115
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

Some Standard sizes are the same as Metric sizes such as 5/16'' and 8mm. 7/16'' and 11mm. 9/16'' and 14mm. 3/4'' and 19mm. I usually use my standard sizes in these cases so they don't feel left out, since everything is metric nowadays.
mrstrictlygm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2012, 08:43 AM   #44
Arne73
Senior Member
 
Arne73's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 482
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by bsaint View Post
I HATE when a set skips 16mm. WTF
+1

I was arranging my Craftsman spline set after I dropped em all on the floor and was ticked to find the set didn't have a 16mm. It did come with a 5/8 but I don't like using fractional tools on metric fasteners and vice versa.
Arne73 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2012, 09:45 AM   #45
WHT
Senior Member
 
WHT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 238
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim C. View Post
20mm is the equivalent of 25/32". I've found original 25/32" nuts and bolt heads on some old Delta woodworking machinery from the 1950s. Initially, I used the 20mm wrench when I came across them. Eventually, I tracked down some wrenches and sockets that were sized on 32nd increments.

Jim C.
This is one reason older mechanics didn't need to buy metric sockets. Complete SAE socket sets were readily available with 1/32-inch (and sometimes 1/64-inch) spacing which is only 0.79mm (0.40mm).
WHT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2012, 10:20 AM   #46
MN Falcon
Senior Member
 
MN Falcon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Minneapolis MN
Posts: 243
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by WHT View Post
This is one reason older mechanics didn't need to buy metric sockets. Complete SAE socket sets were readily available with 1/32-inch (and sometimes 1/64-inch) spacing which is only 0.79mm (0.40mm).
I have a few x/32" sockets, but not all of them. So I guess I get to tell my wife that not only do I need the 1/10th mm sizes but now I need to find and buy all the 1/32th and 1/64th sizes :-)
__________________
List of Proto metric sockets and Thorsen sockets I am looking for:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=129192

Last edited by MN Falcon; 03-15-2012 at 08:52 PM.
MN Falcon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2012, 10:31 AM   #47
WHT
Senior Member
 
WHT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 238
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by MN Falcon View Post
I have a few x/32" sockets, but not all of them. So I guess I get to tell my wife that not only do I need the 1/10th mm sizes but now I need to find and buy all the 1/32th and 1/64th sizes :-)
Good luck. My wife is at the stage where she just rolls her eyes and walks away shaking her head. Works for me.
WHT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2012, 10:39 AM   #48
lowbucktruck
Senior Member
 
lowbucktruck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Foothills, Northern California
Posts: 1,140
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

I'm going through this same cussin' head-scratching exercise with my Craftsman metric socket set... made a list of the missing metric sizes and trying to hunt them down and fill in the gaps. I do have most of the missing metric sizes in my Craftsman and Proto end wrenches, at least!
I also have some x/32 SAE wrenches, which I keep around for... you guessed it... working on vintage wood-working machines!
__________________
Duct tape is like 'The Force.' It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

On the hunt for...
Mac sockets in 3/8-inch drive (to complete a set)

My wanted thread:
http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=176253
lowbucktruck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2012, 12:05 AM   #49
GSMotorrad
Senior Member
 
GSMotorrad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 199
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

What about 7 mm Metric Hex? I notice a lot of Metric Hex kits skip 7mm, but my Craftsman set has the 7 mm Hex Socket. My fold up Hex Keys all skip 7 mm and 9 mm.

Metric Hex sets tend to skip 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, and 16 mm.

Most of the Metric Hex sets I'm seeing go from 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, and 17mm. Like these: http://www.amazon.com/19734-Piece-Dr...1870321&sr=1-6

But then SK offeres this set that doesn't skip any sizes: http://www.amazon.com/SK-Hand-19706-...1870321&sr=1-5

I guess a lot of people here wouldn't skip any sizes, but it gets a little crazy. I have never needed a 7mm hex, but use 6 and 8 all the time. Same with 9 mm. I wonder who comes up with these sets and decides which numbers to skip? They all seem to follow some sort of path, because different tool companies all tend to skip the same basic sizes. They may be on to something.

Who comes up with these sets? Does someone have a career in "tool set design", and he's an expert on which sizes are hardly ever used? Can I trust these people?
GSMotorrad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2012, 12:18 AM   #50
jjjrmx5
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Posts: 3,343
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by GSMotorrad View Post
Who comes up with these sets? Does someone have a career in "tool set design", and he's an expert on which sizes are hardly ever used? Can I trust these people?
LOL.!!!!!!!

I doubt anyone or any company who does not sell full sets uses any type of "tool consultant" to gauge what to offer.

The idea is to sell a "comprehensive" or "nearly full" set and then let the owner fill in the rest.

Price "open stock" tools and you end up paying truck prices for mid-range fill-in tools u are missing .

Not really news.

Full sets viaa truck or pro sources are expensive and home owners or "weekend" warriors "trust" big-box, Sears or auto parts tool sellers to give them what they need most. Sure...um...yea.

Jeebus, my " " key is worn out. WTF.
Hehehehehe.
__________________
"The best part about drinking boxed wine is you can blow up the bag and use it as a pillow at the end of the night..." LOL
jjjrmx5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2012, 02:40 AM   #51
yasha32
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 149
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

That allen set I posted about in the deals thread was the first set I've come across that gave me combos all the way for 8 to 20 (or 19?) in a package with other tools. I find they tend to skip around on combos when they include sockets.
yasha32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2012, 04:57 AM   #52
mikeceli
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 215
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by StevenBiars View Post
19/32 and 25/32 - most people laugh, until you happen to need them for an older Ford. Nothing irritates me more than buying what should be a complete tool set only to have sizes skipped. It doesn't matter to me if a 20mm is only used on the wanker switch of a x-58 wadjet grinder, if it exists, I still want the wrench/socket/etc.

I agree!
mikeceli is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2012, 09:48 AM   #53
kythri
Senior Member
 
kythri's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Lebanon, OR
Posts: 3,648
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

The size skipping bothers me, too.

What I find incredibly irksome is that, if you look at some of the smaller 7pc or 8pc GearWrench sets, one set will have a size the other set doesn't.

It's like the manufacturers want to mess with our OCD.
kythri is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2012, 09:55 AM   #54
4x4gearhead
Senior Member
 
4x4gearhead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 1,633
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

I definitely prefer to have full complete sets when I buy them, I do work on a lot of different things though. I have even used my 9mm wrench from time to time even though I never thought I would.
__________________
How many ratchets will be enough?

Last edited by 4x4gearhead; 03-16-2012 at 09:55 AM. Reason: spelling
4x4gearhead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2012, 10:05 AM   #55
yasha32
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 149
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

9mm helps with some interior work on old BMWs, not to mention a few fastener under my jimmy's hood.
yasha32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2012, 10:34 AM   #56
Doktor Schnell
Senior Member
 
Doktor Schnell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Western NY
Posts: 122
Default Re: Skipping sizes in Metric Sets?

I just used 11mm the other day to bleed the brakes on the GTI.
__________________
----------------------------------------------------------

My Garage Tools for sale Feedback Message me
Doktor Schnell is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:56 PM.