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Old 05-05-2012, 11:58 AM   #1
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Default T 1-11 vs. Hardie Panel vertical siding?

Looking at constructing a 12 x 16 building (shed) on 4x6 skids, on our rural mostly undeveloped property.

I've been reading some of the back threads on T 1-11, and pricing out materials for the build. I like the look of hardieplank better than sheeting but I'd rather not mess with the additional materials and work involved with planks, and for where this shed is located appearance is not critical.

My experience with T 1-11 plywood as been pretty good. It lasted 40+ years on our first home. Not sure if current T 1-11 plywood can last as long as the old stuff or not. Curious if anybody has had experience with this hardie plank fiber cement type vertical siding?

While in Lowes I found Hardie Panel vertical siding which looks to be a clone of the T 1-11 in terms of appearance.
Pricing.
Hardi Panel = 28.52 per sheet (sierra 8 style)
T 1-11 (plywood, .578) = 36.08 per sheet

Some Hardi panel specs.
- Comes primed, must be painted within 180 days
- Can't be stained
- Recommend power driven nails
- can be installed over wood framing/studs up to 24" OC
- galvanized or stainless fasteners required
- 30 year non-prorated, transferable, limited warranty

http://www.jameshardie.com/homeowner...zipcode=retail
http://www.jameshardie.com/pdf/insta...panel-hz10.pdf
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Old 05-05-2012, 06:48 PM   #2
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Default Re: T 1-11 vs. Hardie Panel vertical siding?

I would go with the Hardi-panel for a variety of reasons.
1. No wood rot.
2. Takes paint better and uses less paint.
3. Fire resistant (ask a firefighter what he thinks)
4. Termite and insect resistant.
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Old 05-05-2012, 07:27 PM   #3
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Default Re: T 1-11 vs. Hardie Panel vertical siding?

Hardi panel is a good product, but the dust from cutting it is very bad to breathe. Gotta take precautions. Those panels are also very heavy for their size.
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Old 05-05-2012, 09:48 PM   #4
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Default Re: T 1-11 vs. Hardie Panel vertical siding?

Hardi-Panel gets my vote, IMHO takes paint better then wood too.
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Old 05-05-2012, 10:04 PM   #5
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Default Re: T 1-11 vs. Hardie Panel vertical siding?

IMO T1-11 is a temporary siding. It will start to delaminate eventually then it looks like hell and nothing other than replacing can fix it.

Hardi is a permanent solution but it does have its issues. Its brittle and will crack if flexed too much. As mentioned above, cutting it does cause a lot of dust. If you install it without a backer it will get holed fairly easy. I always install Hardi over plywood. 1/2 in minimum. Leave expansion joints at every joint and it will lay flat. They make a H molding for the seems ,thats plastic, and I've used it before but I'm not real enthused about this. I would prefer a seam filler that was at least as robust as the Hardi product.

Can you tell I really like Hardi?
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Old 05-05-2012, 10:08 PM   #6
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Default Re: T 1-11 vs. Hardie Panel vertical siding?

The last T 1-11 I used on our antique mall lasted 14 years. I covered it with vinyl siding this past summer.
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Old 05-05-2012, 10:20 PM   #7
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Default Re: T 1-11 vs. Hardie Panel vertical siding?

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The last T 1-11 I used on our antique mall lasted 14 years. I covered it with vinyl siding this past summer.
As I said. T1-11 is temporary!
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Old 05-06-2012, 08:42 AM   #8
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Default Re: T 1-11 vs. Hardie Panel vertical siding?

I dont know if it's available over there but I used this for the top of my garage because of great trade reviews and it will now also be used on our extension.
http://scyon.com.au/linea.html
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Old 05-06-2012, 10:10 AM   #9
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Default Re: T 1-11 vs. Hardie Panel vertical siding?

I used hardiepanel and hardie batten boards on my house/barn. Love it.
Its a bugger to cut and heavy as hell. It is REALLY nice looking and permanent. I've used T 1 11 in the past . Paint doesnt stay on as long, and the wood checks and splits.

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Old 05-06-2012, 10:56 AM   #10
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Default Re: T 1-11 vs. Hardie Panel vertical siding?

If you apply over plywood(and I do):
1.You need p.t. battens and rain-screen to ventilate the back of it. Read the Hardie instructions for more.
2. Use p.t. plywood as the backing because you don't want the plywood to fail before the Hardie does.
Hardie fiber cement is a fantastic product!
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Old 05-06-2012, 02:27 PM   #11
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Default Re: T 1-11 vs. Hardie Panel vertical siding?

Thanks for the replies. Plywood as a backing, guess I'm going to have to revise the budget.

How long have the hardie panels been in use? Just wondering if there is years worth of data as to it's actual longevity?

I do not have a portable tablesaw to take to the build site so I'll be using a skilsaw to rip the panels. I am told there is a 'hardie blade' that is used on a miter saw to cut the hardie planks. Can one get a 7-1/4 hardie blade for a skilsaw as well?
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Old 05-06-2012, 02:49 PM   #12
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Default Re: T 1-11 vs. Hardie Panel vertical siding?

Hardipanel IS rated for shear.

And for a small structure like yours, I wouldnt hesitate to install the hardi right to the studs.

Dont bother with the expensive cement siding specific blades. Just get a box of cheap carbide framing blades, and a few paper masks
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Old 05-06-2012, 02:53 PM   #13
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Default Re: T 1-11 vs. Hardie Panel vertical siding?

Hardi panels right on the studs on my shop. Bats over the seams. Above 8 ft, plywood backer with hardi lap siding. I'll post a pic after I paint.
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IMO T1-11 is a temporary siding. It will start to delaminate eventually then it looks like hell and nothing other than replacing can fix it.

Hardi is a permanent solution but it does have its issues. Its brittle and will crack if flexed too much. As mentioned above, cutting it does cause a lot of dust. If you install it without a backer it will get holed fairly easy. I always install Hardi over plywood. 1/2 in minimum. Leave expansion joints at every joint and it will lay flat. They make a H molding for the seems ,thats plastic, and I've used it before but I'm not real enthused about this. I would prefer a seam filler that was at least as robust as the Hardi product.

Can you tell I really like Hardi?
the new thing is approx. 6"x10" aluminum flashing behind the seams, I actually saw it yesterday in a kit (15x20 shed)I'm building for a customer
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Default Re: T 1-11 vs. Hardie Panel vertical siding?

I use fiber cement shears to cut my hardi lap siding and after all the times I have used a circular saw I was dreading the cuts till I got these shears.
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Old 05-06-2012, 07:04 PM   #16
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Default Re: T 1-11 vs. Hardie Panel vertical siding?

T1-11 is a time proven poor siding choice. Delaminates, rots and in general looks like crap in 15 years or so!

I'd go with the Hardie siding, at least it isn't yet a proven poor choice!

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Default Re: T 1-11 vs. Hardie Panel vertical siding?

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T1-11 is a time proven poor siding choice. Delaminates, rots and in general looks like crap in 15 years or so!

I'd go with the Hardie siding, at least it isn't yet a proven poor choice!

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Assuming similar quality, and since Hardy Boards have been around a LONG time, it would be safe to ASSume that Hardy panels are solid and long lasting.

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Default Re: T 1-11 vs. Hardie Panel vertical siding?

We recently did a project using the Hardie Sierra panels and also the stucco panels.
We used a 4" diamond blade, about $ 20 in a side grinder. Generates plenty of dust
for sure. We went to Hardie's website for tips on installation. IIRC they reccomend
double studs at joints if not using sheathing. We just used 7/16" osb, house wrap
and then hung the siding. Paint is a lot easier to apply to the Hardie than to T-111,
uses less, and will last a lot longer. Quality of T-111 can be sketchy at times with
boat patches and veneer voids that start delaminating with any moisture migration.
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Old 05-06-2012, 07:57 PM   #19
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T1-11 is a time proven poor siding choice. Delaminates, rots and in general looks like crap in 15 years or so!
It isnt that cut and dry.

Its plywood. And not all plywood is created equal.

GOOD T1-11 will last 50+ years. And good T1-11 is Auraco-ply. Its also VERY expensive, as in almost $50 per sheet.

Junk plywood will not last. You get what you pay for.

But as I say, it is plywood. So assuming you dont have glue/delam issues, the paint you use will certainly determine the life of the panel.

The T1-11 siding on my place as seen in this thread is 40 years old.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...light=gacodeck

Not exactly in the shape you say it should be.

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Default Re: T 1-11 vs. Hardie Panel vertical siding?

The installation tips suggest that this isn't a structural product, that either sheathing or bracing is required.

Idasho, Sorry, your experience is the exception to the rule, at least in the North East, T1-11 generally does not last that long and look so good!


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