Fire house and garage

[onemoretry]

So it begins...
As the wife says I have more money than brains and I don't have any money...
I have a couple of toys that I need to put under a roof.


Added:
www.geobarns.com
A great lot of pictures that are just great to look at.

(winter projects)

[onemoretry]

So I figure, why have just 1 garage, when I can have two. After looking through many of the builds here, I called George of Geobarns (thanks to member floyd) and have come up with two buildings. The garage is a basic 3 bay with a full up stairs, and the fire house or barn is a 48X30 building with a full upstairs.
The digging has started and footers in. Looks like the pad will be poured for the barn tomorrow and the block will be in the garage shortly thereafter.
The first three pictures are the footer for the garage. The next two show the barn blocks and pad steel mesh. The sixth picture, I just wanted to put in another picture of the fire truck. The last picture, if you squint real hard, you can see my patio extension and the excavation for both buildings.
I apologize for the low quality pictures, I will work on that in future postings. These things always take more time that one would think, but I will post updates as they happen.

EDIT
I should say thanks to Bull too, he is the one that started it all for me.
His thread http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=10752

And floyd's
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=17545

[Junkman]

I believe that everyone should own a fire truck at least once in their lifetime. I had a 1926 American La France ladder truck once. I had no place to keep it, and no one to act as a tiller man on a regular basis, so I sold it. Wish that I had in now, since it was really a sharp truck. I think it got about 3 MPG, but back then gas was about 25 cents a gallon...

[cyclopsblown34]

The members here with Geobarns have some danged nice structures so I would say you won't be let down. If I remember right, they won't give you much time for progress pictures, one day, the footers, next they have the roof on. Okay, maybe an exaggeration but from my memory they don't fiddlefart around like most contractors.

[onemoretry]

Mine is a 1972 American Lefrance pumper in pretty good working order. I drove it from my parents house where I was storing it for the last year to my house (about 7 hours in the fire truck) and it ran like a champ.

[Junkman]

From 1926 to 1972, they improved the suspension. Mine had solid rubber tires, and I don't think that it had shocks, but it did have huge springs, and a dual ignition, hand crank ladder, and a huge gas tank. It also didn't go very fast, but it did make a lot of noise, since the muffler didn't muffle much.

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by cyclopsblown34

The members here with Geobarns have some danged nice structures so I would say you won't be let down. If I remember right, they won't give you much time for progress pictures, one day, the footers, next they have the roof on. Okay, maybe an exaggeration but from my memory they don't fiddlefart around like most contractors.

Yea, I have been surprised how fast he finishes, especially given the quality of building he puts up. I now get updates to his current builds and am amazed at the daily progress. I figure, I will have both buildings finished by christmas. Of course, I am usually overly optimistic, but with George, I'll bet we will be close.

[Bull]

I am so glad for you! Welcome to the Geobarn family, and thank you very much for the mention in your original post. I can't wait to see your barns, and I bet you are right, George will finish on schedule. He is such a good, and a talented guy. He was just here the other week for a quick visit.

One day, I'd like to build another Geobarn. I certainly have the space, just not the cash lol. Such a great experience.

[Junkman]

Don't know if I should ask the question, but about how much does a barn cost to build today, as in your picture??? Thanks Junk..

[Bull]

Originally Posted by Junkman

Don't know if I should ask the question, but about how much does a barn cost to build today, as in your picture??? Thanks Junk..

George told me last year that he builds for about $25 per square foot. But, that price can be brought down by contributing your labor, hospitality, choosing hemlock over Doug Fir, and not going crazy with windows.

[Junkman]

Does he do everything from the excavation, footings, and foundation, or is this done before he starts his work? I would love to have one built on my property. thanks

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by Junkman

Does he do everything from the excavation, footings, and foundation, or is this done before he starts his work? I would love to have one built on my property. thanks

The excavation, concrete, finish work, and electric is additional and needs to be done by someone else. It will still end up being less than what a local builder quoted for a traditional stick built building with vinyl siding.

[Bull]

Originally Posted by onemoretry

The excavation, concrete, finish work, and electric is additional and needs to be done by someone else. It will still end up being less than what a local builder quoted for a traditional stick built building with vinyl siding.

And that is what impressed me so much early on, when I first discovered George and spoke with him. I had assumed from the website that I would not be able to afford to hire him, since the buildings are so nice. But, the value he provides, and the passion he has for people who share his love of his buildings is wonderful. You end up with so much more than a vinyl, stick-built structure.

[Firetrucks]

Originally Posted by onemoretry

Mine is a 1972 American Lefrance pumper in pretty good working order. I drove it from my parents house where I was storing it for the last year to my house (about 7 hours in the fire truck) and it ran like a champ.

onemoretry, where are you?
I too collect antique rigs. I currently have a '58 Maxim TDA (see below on left), '20 Stutz pumper (see below on right) & a '36 Dodge/Stutz pumper.

[Ramblur]

Man,who doesn't love a fire truck...

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by Firetrucks

onemoretry, where are you?
I too collect antique rigs. I currently have a '58 Maxim TDA (see below on left), '20 Stutz pumper (see below on right) & a '36 Dodge/Stutz pumper.

I just moved from Lafayette IN to Frederick MD.

[onemoretry]

Well we got a little bit further today. The stone is done in the garage, nothing new in the barn.

[onemoretry]

I am going to try this with a little bit bigger pictures, sorry if it doesn't work out.

[gts340]

I work for a department that has a 1923 Stutz. We plan to restore it. I'll probably be dead and gone before it happens.

[firebird 97]

So geobarns will build anyplace you want them built one in MA now building in MD. Hmmmm sounds like a good company.

Seeing your pics made me miss home, may have to rethink the idea of retirinf and staying in FL and move back up to MD or VA. I love the view of the mountains in the back ground.

[Firetrucks]

Originally Posted by gts340

I work for a department that has a 1923 Stutz. We plan to restore it. I'll probably be dead and gone before it happens.

Where are you? I am friends with the guy that wrote the book on Stutz (Rodger Birchfield) and we are still tracking all of them down.

[Bull]

Originally Posted by firebird 97

So geobarns will build anyplace you want them built one in MA now building in MD. Hmmmm sounds like a good company.

If you check out their website, you can see pics of some of the builds. Quite a few, actually. George has different crews all over the place, and has built in the northeast, south, as far west as California, and probably some places in between that I am not aware of.

He is always on the road, meeting with clients and working with his crews, getting them started or guiding important parts of the process.

[trainer]

my fire dept had a 1939 Bickle that was Purchased from North York FD in 1949. we used to pull it out occasionally for parades.
We sold it back to them about 15 years ago.
They restored it and put in in thier museum
http://www.northyorkfire.org/0485-03.jpg

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by firebird 97

So geobarns will build anyplace you want them built one in MA now building in MD. Hmmmm sounds like a good company.

Seeing your pics made me miss home, may have to rethink the idea of retirinf and staying in FL and move back up to MD or VA. I love the view of the mountains in the back ground.

George will travel and seem to like to schedule to keep ahead of the weather. His designs really are interesting, and as Bull suggests, take a look at his website, they are beautiful buildings.

I love Maryland too, I lived in Indiana for the last 12 years, and although I enjoyed my time there, it was certainly nice to move back to hills and trees. I am an hour away from DC, Baltimore, three major airports, and have a backyard view that is incredible. If it weren't for the still crazy home prices, it would be perfect.

[PAToyota]

Since you are in Maryland...

http://harrisburg.craigslist.org/cto/895693490.html


Or is that you?

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by PAToyota

Since you are in Maryland...

http://harrisburg.craigslist.org/cto/895693490.html


Or is that you?

Although I live close to where that truck is at, it is not me. Wife has confirmed that she will kill me if I buy another. I bought the first one from my home town, and they have tried to sell me another one that I have wanted for quite some time. I have never seen the threat of violence so strong in my wife's eyes as I did that day...

[onemoretry]

The pad for the barn was poured today. They are finishing with the power trowel now.
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[onemoretry]

Timber work started today. I am out of town on business so wife took the pictures. I can't wait to get home to see the progress and get to work.







Not bad for the first day's work. I will update as we go. Sorry for the long delay between concrete and lumber. Turns out the conrete had issues and had to be jackhammered out. During that process, the block wall was knocked down and needed to be replaced. Safe to say that I became reaquainted with my four letter word vocabulary.
Looking good now.

[onemoretry]

I should say that the concrete problem had nothing to do with Geobarns, it was by foundation guy. He laid the grade, the finisher followed the grade, and it was wrong. One day of rain ended up with about 2 inches of water in the back of the garage and dry in the front...

[jay11789]

That view looks all too familiar.....Blue Ridge Mountains, Culpeper?

[v8garage]

Originally Posted by trainer

my fire dept had a 1939 Bickle that was Purchased from North York FD in 1949. we used to pull it out occasionally for parades.
We sold it back to them about 15 years ago.
They restored it and put in in thier museum
http://www.northyorkfire.org/0485-03.jpg

The truck in that picture looks much older than 1939. More like 1919.

[Junkman]

Originally Posted by v8garage

The truck in that picture looks much older than 1939. More like 1919.

what year were you born???

[v8garage]

Originally Posted by Junkman

what year were you born???

1954, but what does that have to do with it?

[NRChopshop]

Originally Posted by onemoretry

I just moved from Lafayette IN to Frederick MD.

Seriously? Where in Frederick? Im in Frederick also on the outskirts of Ft. Detrick.

[Junkman]

Originally Posted by v8garage

The truck in that picture looks much older than 1939. More like 1919.

Originally Posted by v8garage

1954, but what does that have to do with it?

I asked because I had a feeling that you were young. Older folks have a better idea of what vintage a car or truck is from, since we grew up around them. I can tell the cars of the 20's, 30's, 40,'s, 50's, 60,s, and some of the 1970's, but I can't tell one of the new models from year to year or manufacturer to manufacturer. If that fire tuck was made in or around 1919, it would be an open cab, with narrow tires, and fenders covering the tire, just like the cars of the era. We are most familiar with those cars that we grew up with...

[onemoretry]

Nope the middletown valley near Frederick MD.
Beautiful place though.

Edit: In response to Jay

[onemoretry]

We are equadistant between Jefferson, Braddock Heights, and Middletown, about 5 miles west of Frederick. PM me I'll give you the details and you can come over and see it in the process.
Many pictures will follow shortly.


Edit: In response to Chopshop. sorry to keep doing that, I forget to hit the quote button.

[onemoretry]

Quite a lot going on now, sorry I am not responding faster. George of Geobarns has allowed us to be a part of the build process so the wife and I are having a great time. She gets all of the smart jobs, like running the nailer, and I get the grunt job of lifting the sheet up for the floor on the second floor (which went up on the second day of effort). Here are the pictures, I don't think any explanation is required. If you do have questions, feel free to fire away. I can't speak highly enough about the quality of the building and the people working on it (myself excluded of course). If you can't tell, that's snow on the second floor. Of course the 40 mph wind cleaned that off for us today for a long day tomorrow.

[autoist]

So, those beams are spanninmg 30'? What size lumber are they & what size are the ceiling joists?

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by autoist

So, those beams are spanninmg 30'? What size lumber are they & what size are the ceiling joists?

I think they are 1/10s but the buttresses apply the support. Also all of the framing is diagonal so it is an incredibly strong building. The middle of the building is a double set of sistered beams as well.
I hope the next pictures will show the roof support and the following set of pictures will show the framing better.

Edit for clarification.
The floor joists only span one bay so they are not that long. The main beams are made of 4 2x12s and are pretty strong. The same floor structure is rated to support having a car on the second floor...

[PurdueSD]

Nice looking build youve got going... One question, is this a dog or a horse?...hah

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by PurdueSD

Nice looking build youve got going... One question, is this a dog or a horse?...hah

The driveway slopes off quite bit, so it looks much bigger than it is. But yes it is a dog.

[onemoretry]

Although it is more difficult to see the great progress today, it happened none the less. A lot of detail was done, the upper beam was installed, and all of the rafters were cut. Depending on the weather, the rafters should all be done tomorrow. That should allow for about 9 feet of clearance upstairs. Truth be told, I am pretty worn out tonight. George of Geobarns insisted that I be in a couple of the pictures, sorry for the vanity.

[Bevis]

Nice looking views out there. Station is coming along nicely.

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by Bevis

Nice looking views out there. Station is coming along nicely.

Thanks man, it has been a lot of fun. Sorry though I haven't been clearer, this is the garage, the station starts first of the year.

[Bull]

Looks great!

[Bevis]

Originally Posted by onemoretry

this is the garage, the station starts first of the year.

Not a prolem...I was thinking the floor might be a little low for the Engine.

[autoist]

I'm still trying to figure out that main beam downstairs...could you take some close-up photos & tell me how you made it?

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by Bull

Looks great!

Thanks bull, your posting is the reason I am getting these buildings...

[onemoretry]

Today was a fantastic day. The rafters were built and installed today before lunch. It really is amazing how fast these things go up. Even with this speed, the quality and craftsmanship are amazing. Feeling a little less exhausted today, but my back is still a little tight. As you can see from the second picture, we pulled all of the rafters up one at a time. I was the guy on the top (least skill required, but a decent amount of work). Purlins (no idea of the spelling of this word) were installed to reinforce the rafters and allow for somewhere to put on the standing steel roof.
I think we start diagonal framing tomorrow, though it is supposed to rain like crazy.

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by autoist

I'm still trying to figure out that main beam downstairs...could you take some close-up photos & tell me how you made it?

Hope these help a little bit. The third picture is probably the easiest to see it. The 2X10s run across the top of each bay. They are hung on a 2 2X12s that span the depth of the garage. Buttresses set between each set of 2X12s to provide additional support. So the long span is supported by 4 2X12s at each bay.
I will try to post additional pictures tomorrow. It is dark now.

[Skyline]

I took a look at the Geobarns web site, and I must say they make some really nice buildings.

I don't get the point of the diagonal studs though. They claim they add some strength, but I would presume a post and beam structure like that would be plenty strong even without wall studs at all. Most traditional post/beam barns were built w/o studs, (but were unfinished on the inside). They claim it adds an elegance to the construction... which is hard to deny...but won't it all be covered up? And what about after the walls are all covered inside and out....would't snaking wires for a new (unplanned) light fixture or socket or plumbing be somewhat of a PITA?

[Bull]

The diagonal framing IS very strong. But as you mention, the primary strength of the building is in the other aspects of construction. But, they make it unnecessary to apply sheathing to the studs before applying the shiplap siding.

Yes, once the exterior and interior are complete, it is all covered up. But, you know it's there, and it's part of the unique nature of a Geobarn. Working with George is a unique experience, in the best of ways. I am glad that his barns have unique features, even those that get covered. I'll always see my diagonal framing because I have black and white photos of the "skeleton" of the building framed and displayed in a front room.

As for wiring, I just wired mine with a friend. It was not especially challenging. A little drilling here and there, and the use of a couple natural chases to run wiring that the structure offered me. Really, not a drawback at all.

There are options for future electrical additions. I plan to finish the inside with board siding screwed to the framing. It will look great, and be easy to remove pieces to get into the walls later. You can also bury a plastic conduit somewhere in the walls so that it can be used to snake wires later. Of course, the best policy would be to plan well enough not to have to add things later. Heck, in my HOUSE I find it hard to add new wiring since it's all finished inside, with old-school balloon framing!

Originally Posted by Skyline

I took a look at the Geobarns web site, and I must say they make some really nice buildings.

I don't get the point of the diagonal studs though. They claim they add some strength, but I would presume a post and beam structure like that would be plenty strong even without wall studs at all. Most traditional post/beam barns were built w/o studs, (but were unfinished on the inside). They claim it adds an elegance to the construction... which is hard to deny...but won't it all be covered up? And what about after the walls are all covered inside and out....would't snaking wires for a new (unplanned) light fixture or socket or plumbing be somewhat of a PITA?

[autoist]

Hope these help a little bit. The third picture is probably the easiest to see it. The 2X10s run across the top of each bay. They are hung on a 2 2X12s that span the depth of the garage. Buttresses set between each set of 2X12s to provide additional support. So the long span is supported by 4 2X12s at each bay.
I will try to post additional pictures tomorrow. It is dark now.

So, there are double 2x12's nailed to each side of the post that has the 'buttresses' nailed to them.....& the 'buttresses' are then nailed to the interior 2x12's? Could you take a photo straight up from underneath where the 'buttresses' attach to the 2x12's?

Thanks

[onemoretry]

Well the weather was pretty bad today. I had work to do so wasn't able to help, and frankly my help wasn't much needed. (at least that is my excuse for not being out in the bad weather all day.) The roofing showed up and the guys predrilled it so it is ready to go on, all of the transom windows are set and ready to go, and detail work, like the facia boards went up. Oh and the dog got muddy...






Autoist, the weather was bad and it got dark, so I didn't take any detailed shots. I did steal the shot below from the geobarns website. It should show the detail you ask for. If you would like, I could pm you George's (geobarns owner) contact information.

[autoist]

Yep, think that does it...

[Bull]

Originally Posted by autoist

Yep, think that does it...

If it doesn't, I can run out to my barn tonight and snap a straight-up shot for you.

[autoist]

No, I think I understand it....the 2 2x12 beams are separate from one another & the 4x4 'buttress' is bolted between them.

[Bull]

Yes, that's right. Those 2x12s can then extend out the side of your building to support a cantilever roof overhang or suspended deck/porch. I went for the overhang. Pretty awesome.

[autoist]

Next question: My wife saw me browsing the Geobarns website & likes their stair treatment...what are those pipes in this photo?

[PurdueSD]

Looks like emt to me...

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by autoist

Next question: My wife saw me browsing the Geobarns website & likes their stair treatment...what are those pipes in this photo?

He can make them out of a variety of material, but I'll bet they are conduit. I will ask him tonight.

He is a great guy to talk with, if you are interested, I highly recommend giving him a call.

[onemoretry]

Absolutely horrible weather today. Of course, it is supposed to turn to snow tonight, so it may be even worse tomorrow. The diagonal framing on the first floor was done today despite the weather, and the roof is ready to go on tomorrow. All of the first floor transoms were completed today too...

[ZRX61]

Is that an old 350/4 Honda?

[autoist]

You don't want to cover that beauty up, do you?

[Bull]

Those stairs are done with mahogany wood and electrical conduit. I had George use that technique for the railing of an elevated portion of my second floor.

He got the idea, as I recall, when a customer whom he was building a horse barn for saw the outrageous prices for horse stall doors with a similar design. So, being George, he figured out a way to recreate the same elegant look for less money.

George is the best.

[autoist]

Originally Posted by Bull

Those stairs are done with mahogany wood and electrical conduit. I had George use that technique for the railing of an elevated portion of my second floor.

He got the idea, as I recall, when a customer whom he was building a horse barn for saw the outrageous prices for horse stall doors with a similar design. So, being George, he figured out a way to recreate the same elegant look for less money.

George is the best.

Thank you - we're beginning a new project in the garage Monday that includes finishing a set of stairs & a railing in a gameroom overlooking the 1st floor....gonna use that idea.

Does he d anything special to the conduit like polishing?

[Bull]

Mine are not polished. But, you certainly could do that if you wanted that effect. I like the look of the dull metal with the mahogany's warm tone.

Originally Posted by autoist

Thank you - we're beginning a new project in the garage Monday that includes finishing a set of stairs & a railing in a gameroom overlooking the 1st floor....gonna use that idea.

Does he d anything special to the conduit like polishing?

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by ZRX61

Is that an old 350/4 Honda?

Yep. It is in great condition and a fun bike to ride. We found the proverbial motorcycle in the barn, changed the tires, cleaned the carbs and away we go.

A 65 Pan, and an 04 Victory will be moving in next week...

[onemoretry]

The wind stopped us from putting on the roof today, but the diagonal framing was completed upstairs. Although there were high winds, it was a lot better than the high winds and crazy amount of rain from yesterday.



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[Bull]

I agree with George: this is arguably when the building is at its most beautiful. The skeleton is just awesome. I'm glad its coming along nicely for you!

[v8garage]

Originally Posted by Junkman

I asked because I had a feeling that you were young. Older folks have a better idea of what vintage a car or truck is from, since we grew up around them. I can tell the cars of the 20's, 30's, 40,'s, 50's, 60,s, and some of the 1970's, but I can't tell one of the new models from year to year or manufacturer to manufacturer. If that fire tuck was made in or around 1919, it would be an open cab, with narrow tires, and fenders covering the tire, just like the cars of the era. We are most familiar with those cars that we grew up with...

Did you look at the fire truck in the picture? It is definitely not a 1939 style fire truck. It is open cab, flat fenders, flat hood panels etc. I know fire trucks may not have changed styes as much as detroit did but that truck is way out of its era if it is a 1939. I pulled up a picture of a 1937 Bickle on the internet and it had 1937 Chevrolet front sheetmetal.

[Junkman]

Originally Posted by v8garage

Did you look at the fire truck in the picture? It is definitely not a 1939 style fire truck. It is open cab, flat fenders, flat hood panels etc. I know fire trucks may not have changed styes as much as detroit did but that truck is way out of its era if it is a 1939. I pulled up a picture of a 1937 Bickle on the internet and it had 1937 Chevrolet front sheetmetal.

Simple explanation in order.... you were looking at the picture by Firetrucks,



and I was looking at the picture by onemoretry...

[v8garage]

Originally Posted by Junkman

Simple explanation in order.... you were looking at the picture by Firetrucks,



and I was looking at the picture by onemoretry...

Junkman, Actually this is the picture that I was looking at that was supposed to be a 1939 Bickle:

[Junkman]

With most vehicles you can determine the age by the look of the wheels and the size of the tires. The really old stuff had spoke wheels. I believe that the disk style of wheel didn't come into popular use until the 1920's.. I know that my 1926 & 1928 Buick's both had wooden spoke wheels, and mechanical brakes.

[Ggg]

Man -o- man a Geo barn, 77 Ford, Jeep and a Firetruck. You have it all in my book. I too will own a Firetruck someday, in the mean time I get to drive them for a living. Here is a link to a site that has a lot of coverage of my Dept.
www.onlyredtrucks.com
I am on Quint-9
Dirving that ALF/Detroit for 7 hours must have been fun. lol A volly Dept. I was on had one just like that, it had a tendency to run backwards if you weren't careful with the clutch.
Very nice build, I wish they built in the midwest.

[tech]

one of the coolest builds i seen on here! im looking to build my second garage next spring and this is exactly what i want to build. where are you located? im in keene nh.

[Bull]

Originally Posted by tech

one of the coolest builds i seen on here! im looking to build my second garage next spring and this is exactly what i want to build. where are you located? im in keene nh.

George the Geobarn guy is right in VT...building for you in NH would be a breeze!

[Bull]

Originally Posted by Ggg

Very nice build, I wish they built in the midwest.

They do, as far as I know. They've built as far out as California, and many places in between.

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by Ggg

Man -o- man a Geo barn, 77 Ford, Jeep and a Firetruck. You have it all in my book. I too will own a Firetruck someday, in the mean time I get to drive them for a living. Here is a link to a site that has a lot of coverage of my Dept.
www.onlyredtrucks.com
I am on Quint-9
Dirving that ALF/Detroit for 7 hours must have been fun. lol A volly Dept. I was on had one just like that, it had a tendency to run backwards if you weren't careful with the clutch.
Very nice build, I wish they built in the midwest.

They do build in the midwest... Checkout www.geobarns.com he has built all over the country. I actually chatted with him this morning, and he said he would be more than happy to work again in the midwest.

I was warned of the truck running backwards too. I had never heard of such a thing, but the guy that typically drove that truck was also an OTR trucker with obviously a lot of experience, and he said it happened to him.

Speaking of clutches though, last time out, the clutch was sticking a little on take off, any ideas? I haven't crawled under it yet as the garage is consuming all of my time, and the yard is a mess.
Thanks

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by tech

one of the coolest builds i seen on here! im looking to build my second garage next spring and this is exactly what i want to build. where are you located? im in keene nh.

To reiterate what Bull has already said, George is near there and very willing to build in the area. Check out his website and give a ring, he is surprisingly affordable.
www.geobarns.com

[toadjammer]

That stairway is pretty cool. Does anyone know which build that was from? I looked at some of the builds on Georges site but didn't find it.

[Ggg]

onemore
When you get a chance, give me more details on the clutch sticking. Will it not release, or will it not grab? Will the pedal not push down, or stay down on the floor when you take your foot off? How does the clutch brake work?
The Detroit engine you have can run in both directions. If you bog it down too far starting from a dead stop you can momentarily stop the engine just before TDC on a cylinder and then the pump injects fuel and it ignites pushing the piston back down, but because the piston is BTDC it goes down turning the crank backwards. I remember the first time that happened to me (LOL) I thought WT%! I had 5 reverse gears and one forward.
I will check out that Geobarn site, I only heard of them in the New England area.

[onemoretry]

George's prices are extremely reasonable. If you are interested, I highly recommend giving him a call. Also, if you are like me, and want to be a part of the build, but don't have the skill or time to do it yourself, George is a great option. I have been working with them almost everyday and have been loving every minute. I can't think of another building experience where it has gone so smoothly. I don't want to jinx myself, but we are also a little ahead of schedule and dead on budget. How rare is that?

I should also mention that George sends out daily updates on his projects, so while I was deciding on getting a geobarn, I was able to track the progress and see how everything would shape up. Today I will just quote what he sent out and post his pictures (which is what I do everyday.)

George:
In just three hours we were roofed and ridged--what more can I say than
thank you to our wonderful clients and crew for their hard work and to
God for a perfect day for roofing...sunny, still, and cold--so at least
we did not sweat and burn our hands on the roofing as we tend to do in
the summers.... =-O

I am on my way home for two days--can't wait to get back...

george

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by cyclopsblown34

The members here with Geobarns have some danged nice structures so I would say you won't be let down. If I remember right, they won't give you much time for progress pictures, one day, the footers, next they have the roof on. Okay, maybe an exaggeration but from my memory they don't fiddlefart around like most contractors.

I would have to say that is the case. They have been here a week and a day and a half, and the roof is on ... in a custom built post and beam structure. Not as fast as a pole barn, but darn near. I am truly happy with the progress thus far.

[Bull]

Originally Posted by onemoretry

George's prices are extremely reasonable. If you are interested, I highly recommend giving him a call. Also, if you are like me, and want to be a part of the build, but don't have the skill or time to do it yourself, George is a great option. I have been working with them almost everyday and have been loving every minute. I can't think of another building experience where it has gone so smoothly. I don't want to jinx myself, but we are also a little ahead of schedule and dead on budget. How rare is that?

This was really important to me. Most builders aren't going to want you helping because unless you are skilled you might be considered a pain in the butt. George encourages it, and it allows you to both save money AND feel intimately connected to the construction of YOUR barn. Working with the two guys on my crew each day of the build is one of the best experiences of my life.

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by Ggg

onemore
When you get a chance, give me more details on the clutch sticking. Will it not release, or will it not grab? Will the pedal not push down, or stay down on the floor when you take your foot off? How does the clutch brake work?
The Detroit engine you have can run in both directions. If you bog it down too far starting from a dead stop you can momentarily stop the engine just before TDC on a cylinder and then the pump injects fuel and it ignites pushing the piston back down, but because the piston is BTDC it goes down turning the crank backwards. I remember the first time that happened to me (LOL) I thought WT%! I had 5 reverse gears and one forward.
I will check out that Geobarn site, I only heard of them in the New England area.

It goes in any gear well when first turned on. When I take off, first and second are fine and then in third, the clutch just seems to stay engaged for a long time. After it has been warmed up for about 20 minutes, it doesn't seem to go in gear as well.
I knew it can run backwards, but that is not the case here. I need to crawl under it and take a look. The yard has been a mess and I haven't had the time to play yet. I will report back when I get it figured out.

Thanks, and please do check out the website. I don't want to sound like an advertisement, but it has been great fun, and the building is certainly quality this far. Good luck.

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by Bull

This was really important to me. Most builders aren't going to want you helping because unless you are skilled you might be considered a pain in the butt. George encourages it, and it allows you to both save money AND feel intimately connected to the construction of YOUR barn. Working with the two guys on my crew each day of the build is one of the best experiences of my life.

The crew has been great. We have had a good time, and they even helped me clean my gutters today...
can't beat that.

[onemoretry]

I have been out of town on business, so haven't kept up with the day to day stuff, so today, I will just quote George and show his pictures.

Today we completed the lower level and one of the upper gables--working all day in freezing rain, snow and sleet and the lats hour in the dark on an iced up ladder 20' off the ground with my headlamp on to complete the upper gable--the guys nailed most of the day so it was my turn at the end for the last couple of hours :-D ...and all we have to do is one upper gable and we are sided and can move on to the windows, trim and cupola and call it a good run...

I am whipped from driving 650 miles yesterday and my waterproof pants are covered with mud--it was quite a nasty day but not too cold...you know...hence the mud...

[onemoretry]

Just got back into town, and wow, the building looks great. They are finishing the cupola today and the lumber for the second building was delivered. I will post George's pictures from yesterday here, and will post again tonight with today's pictures. Lots of pictures today. The third photo is the scrap for the entire project, including the rafters that were built on site...

From George:
Today we got the rest of the siding done, the rake and eave soffits, and
the corner boards--it was a great day and most of all we got to see some
SUN--how about that? :-P ...wow--it felt good to actually be warm and
take off some of our cold weather gear....totally awesome. The guys
were great although we caught Jon laying down on the job and Ryan
standing around looking good--it is so tough to work with these prima
donnas when all I get is muddy and tired.... :-D

I am so grateful that we have been able to hang in there--it rained more
this morning and then started to clear. Tomorrow is supposed to be
precipitation free--which will be the first day without rain or snow or
sleet in almost a week.

george

[Bull]

Originally Posted by onemoretry

The third photo is the scrap for the entire project, including the rafters that were built on site...

Your barn looks beautiful, man.

The scrap pile is impressive, and I know George prides himself on avoiding as much waste as possible.

[Junkman]

That is absolutely awesome!!! I would love to have a building like that on my property. What is the ceiling hight of the first floor? thanks Junk..

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by Bull

Your barn looks beautiful, man.

The scrap pile is impressive, and I know George prides himself on avoiding as much waste as possible.

It has been pretty amazing to watch. They seem to take their time and plan the cuts so that there is as little scrap as possible from each board. Even though they take their time, they have also moved incredibly fast for three guys and sometimes the wife and I.
Thanks Bull.

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by Junkman

That is absolutely awesome!!! I would love to have a building like that on my property. What is the ceiling hight of the first floor? thanks Junk..

If you are thinking of building, it wouldn't hurt to call George. He is surprisingly affordable and certainly does a great job.
The first floor is a little more than 9 feet I think. I will have to go out and measure. The second floor is about 9 feet as well. The upstairs space is incredible. I will add pictures of that soon too.
Thanks for the compliment...

[Bull]

He can accommodate different ceiling heights, too. Two bays of my three downstairs have about 9', but then he framed one bay in the back at a full 12' to leave me the option of a lift.

Junk, he's not only affordable, he is one of the best people you'll ever talk to. So passionate about what he does and there are none more honest...just a rare kind of guy in today's world.

Onemoretry, are the guys on your crew local to your area, or did George "import" them from up here?

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by Bull

He can accommodate different ceiling heights, too. Two bays of my three downstairs have about 9', but then he framed one bay in the back at a full 12' to leave me the option of a lift.

Junk, he's not only affordable, he is one of the best people you'll ever talk to. So passionate about what he does and there are none more honest...just a rare kind of guy in today's world.

Onemoretry, are the guys on your crew local to your area, or did George "import" them from up here?

My second building is getting the same treatment, higher in general and a section that is 12 feet for a lift.

One guy is from California, and one from up north but originally VA. They are both great guys, young, but incredibly enthused and hard working. One of the guys is a potter by training and both are a lot of fun to talk with (not what I would say typical builders).

[Bull]

Yeah, my two guys were both younger, artistic types, very easy to get along with and to work with. I agree that they are unusually good crews that George has.

I wonder how he finds good crews all over the country to work on these projects...guys who can maintain the Geobarn ethic?

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by Bull

Yeah, my two guys were both younger, artistic types, very easy to get along with and to work with. I agree that they are unusually good crews that George has.

I wonder how he finds good crews all over the country to work on these projects...guys who can maintain the Geobarn ethic?

The potter I think he found when building a kiln building for the pottery group, and the other guy is the brother of one of the other potters at the same place. George is such an excitable person that obviously loves what he does, I imagine the artistic type would work well with his ethos.

[Junkman]

My shortest car is 6' 7" and the hightop ambulance is 8' high, so I will need a 16' bay for the lift to accommodate the cars. I'm thinking that 4 bays would be nice, but retirement and the falling stock market, is going to make this a tough decision to make. I figure that I have at best 10 more years that I can turn a wrench, before I will not have the strength to even pick up a wrench, no less use it. I will need at least 30' depth and 48' width to make it work for me.

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by Junkman

My shortest car is 6' 7" and the hightop ambulance is 8' high, so I will need a 16' bay for the lift to accommodate the cars. I'm thinking that 4 bays would be nice, but retirement and the falling stock market, is going to make this a tough decision to make. I figure that I have at best 10 more years that I can turn a wrench, before I will not have the strength to even pick up a wrench, no less use it. I will need at least 30' depth and 48' width to make it work for me.

My second building is a 30 by 48, and I think George can make them at the height you need... just sayin'

[onemoretry]

I returned from travel today and found a lot done since I left. I'll post what George wrote again, as he says it better than I...

Well--today was quite a day--mixed--wonderful at its best and completely
frustrating at its worst....we got the cupola built except for the
windows and louvers and earlier--offloading the second tractor trailer
for the upcoming fire engine barn--we wallowed, struggled, got the
forklift stuck and cursed in the ubiquitous mud....I was fit to be tied
by late morning--almost eleven and not a board of framing to show for
it. What we did have to show were even deeper ruts than the day before,
muddy and slippery forklift that pretty much only drives downhill, and
lots of mud on our bodies, our clothes, our tarps and even some of our
lumber....sigh.... :-P ..it was a real test this close to the end of the
project. Fortunately--with Jon's aptitude with the forklift, [onemoretry's]
return and smarts with the bobcat, and ryan's indefatigable good
humor--they pulled the forklift out of the mud and me out of the doldrums.

Oh yes--I forgot--we also got all our windows today and the cupola--in
spite of all the above--really is a gem. God is still good even when I
get pissed... :-[ ....I am grateful for that.

george

[T1704]

Wow! Great craftsmanship!

[volvo]

.
Thats one nice group of projects...H... Its great to hear about another happy geo barn build...

[onemoretry]

New day, almost finished. Really just install the doors and electric, and a little bit of the clean up left. I actually got to help again today (it is more like I was able to get in the way again).

From George

Well--we started midday Thursday two weeks ago and are finished today on
Friday evening--it has been a wonderful run, thanks to the hard work and
resilient spirit of the crew and the generous hospitality and
encouragement and hard work alongside us of our clients--what a blessing
they have been.

Today we did the stairs, installed the windows, finished the cupola,
caulked a few knot holes and made and installed the door--al in the
rain--but most of this was indoor work--for which we are grateful. We
are excited about coming back right after the new year to build the fire
engine barn--over 50% bigger than this one and about the same
proportions--as in simply a larger version. The weather may be worse
later into winter but it is hards to imagine it being harder on us than
this past week with constant rain, mud, sleet and freezing rain to coat
us and our tools with ice....

Nonetheless--the joy and warmth of what we do and for whom we do it
keeps us alive and enthusiastic for the next build...


george

[PurdueSD]

Looks really great! I love the style. That's super cool of your contractor to email you updates everyday with pictures!

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by PurdueSD

Looks really great! I love the style. That's super cool of your contractor to email you updates everyday with pictures!

Thanks for the compliment, I will also pass it along to George. Although, upon reading back, I sound like a commercial for Geobarns, I can't tell you how nice of a job they do. George really takes into consideration all of the details including the daily emails that really make it easy for me to make these posts... If you are even remotely thinking of putting up another building (though after reading your build thread, I understand you likely won't), I would highly recommend just calling George. His theories on craftsmanship, customer service, and strength of construction are refreshing...

Enough of a commercial, wife and I are Purdue grads too.

[onemoretry]

Well apart from the things I need to finish (electric, bay doors, and landscape), the first building is done. I will post here as I get the doors done, do the floors, do lighting etc., and I will start a new thread on the firehouse that links back here. I think this one might be getting too long and the firehouse will be lost here.
I hope to order doors next week, and start electric soon thereafter. I am leaning towards Raynor doors, I would be interested in any opinions. I have also been thinking about how to insulate. I love the diagonal framing so much that I want to keep the look, but I would also like to insulate. George has recommended spray in wet cellulose, that when applied properly could be left unfinished. I kind of like it, but wanted to know if anyone else has any opinion at all.
Pictures today show the the steps, the upstairs, an incredible space, and the person door that was built on site.

[Vernmotor]

Just awsome ! I love the looks !

[LAWFISH]

WOW, very nice barn, shop. How many building are you doing? Very nice views as well.


DAVE

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by LAWFISH

WOW, very nice barn, shop. How many building are you doing? Very nice views as well.


DAVE

Two. The garage from above and a firehouse that you can kind of see the foundation for in a couple of the muddy pictures. Geobarns is doing both. Before they left for the holiday yesterday, they got the sills on for the firehouse...
We fell in love with the view when we first pulled into the driveway. I still get up in the morning, look out and smile.

[stinkythings.com]

Magnificent !

[tkeahi]

Awesome...just awesome. Ask George if he wants to come build a barn in Hawaii!

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by tkeahi

Awesome...just awesome. Ask George if he wants to come build a barn in Hawaii!

I'll bet he would...
His crew gets here tonight, and he gets back in a couple. The next build will go on another thread.
Pretty exciting stuff.

[onemoretry]

So I decided to start the second building on another thread.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...d=1#post366786

I will update here as I add the doors and electric...

[onemoretry]

So the garage doors were delivered today and about half of the install is done. The door openers and trim will be done Monday. I decided on the Raynor Affina stile carriage doors. They look good and solid, time will tell. I went with the Raynor openers as well. I am told they are made by liftmaster which is I am told one of the best brands. I will report back after I use them a bit.
Here are some very poor pictures taken with my cell phone. I will use the nice camera when the trim goes up. I even have a nice shot of the finger in the last picture, sorry about the quality.

[onemoretry]

More door pics

[onemoretry]

Well George finished the second build (he will be back to add a couple of details that I have asked for in addition) and completed the trim work on this build now that the doors are hung. It has been a great experience.
The door guy added the trim bling to the doors today. Looks good in my biased opinion...

[onemoretry]

Well we added a couple of details this week including the stair railing, banisters, and a little shop clean up. I thought I would post some more pictures for those that care. I updated my other thread too, link in my sig.

[Bull]

You decided on an interior finish yet? My idea of barn boards has one little problem...it will be expensive!

[onemoretry]

Originally Posted by Bull

You decided on an interior finish yet? My idea of barn boards has one little problem...it will be expensive!

I am still thinking but will wait until after electric and insulation to decide. Keeep me in the loop on what you pick.

[onemoretry]

Here is the letter I sent to George:

George,
I received a copy of “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance” this year for Christmas. Two of the main themes of this book are the search for the definition of “quality” and the value of embracing the process, not just the end product. This made me think quite a bit about the quality and process of building our two barns. It is almost impossible to universally define quality, but one can certainly recognize it when it is presented.
And what is good, Phædrus,
And what is not good...
Need we ask anyone to tell us these things?

The quality of the buildings is immediately apparent and has been commented on by everyone who has visited us since completion (and even during the build process). The additional details that are not immediately recognized deepen this quality experience; the drip edge, soffit details, and hand rails are perfect examples. Wanting to be conscientious stewards of our property that dates back to at least 1790, we are thrilled by the durability, construction and design of our Geobarn—all signs of the quality we had hoped for.
Although our overall experience with the build is very positive, our experience with the concrete work done prior to your arrival was not very encouraging. My wife and I were disappointed with the quality of work and dealing with the contractor in general. At this point in the building process we felt conflicted and grew more concerned. Our mood quickly changed as we got to know John, Ryan and later Dan. What a transformation! Here were craftsman who obviously enjoyed their work and took pride in creating a beautiful product. We were both excited to take part in the build process and thoroughly enjoyed every bit of it, even if we sometimes doubted our abilities as carpenters. When we were not able to be home, the daily updates allowed us to continue to feel a part of the build and were enjoyed by all whom we shared them with. We also valued the time spent with you and the crew and took great pleasure in our spirited discussions.
Although we expected to have quality buildings and to enjoy working in our completed barns, we did not necessarily realize how pleasurable the process would be. We had what could be considered a Zen experience with the Art of Barn Construction.

Thank you,
onemoretry

[onemoretry]

So I know it has been awhile since I have updated. Sorry about that, but now that it is me doing all the work, it is going much slower...
The barn has been fantastic, and is already filled with junk as all good garages should be. I have added outside dry hydrants to each building and electric is done. I will post the garage pictures here, and of course, the barn pictures will go in the other link.

Garage water


Garage electric





Garage door opener (all three reynor, highly recommend, quiet, fast, and seemingly durable)



Wife's $12 garage chair, for the true purpose of all good garages, late night hillbilly music and cheap beer...

[onemoretry]

Sorry it has been awhile since I have updated. I have been busy, on finishing the upstairs of the garage and travel for work. Here are some of the pictures of the upstairs. The ceiling isn't done yet but I have one more day with insulation before I can do that. When it is done, just trim work and I can finally say done (at least on this building).
I will update the barn when I get to this point too. I am making headway, but it takes a long time when I am gone a lot and only work a couple of hours per day. Bad back, wife's bad back, work travel, excuses, excuses.

[onemoretry]

The rest of the insulation is done. I am a little worried I will run out of wood, but I think I can get at least the garage and upstairs of the barn done. I did find that while moving wood around to prep for the next step that ants had gotten in. Thousands of ants. I vacuumed them up, but there was already a decent amount of damage done to the wood in the stack.
I got all that I saw and am headed to HD to get some ant traps, any other thoughts?

[Bull]

That's odd...ants found and invaded the INSIDE of my Geobarn within a year after it was built. I freaked out. Have you found any of them inside?

I bought some poison at Home Depot that they supposedly will eat and take back to the nest to kill the queen. I also bought some potent stuff online that is a powder, and I bought a special bulb sprayer to apply it. Gets up into tiny cracks and whatnot...looks like smoke. Wear a mask and gloves when you use it. I know it works because I blasted on seam of my wall, and immediately heard a rustling from inside. Then, dying ants started pouring out of it and onto the floor. Victory! I'll see if I can find the name.

[Bevis]

Bull if you find the name, can you post it here.

[onemoretry]

Thanks for the headsup. All of the ants were inside. I vacuumed up several pounds, covered them in killer, sprayed the shop, and spread powder all around the outside. We shall see. I got everything as basic stuff from HD.