Tx Saltbox update

[TheShrine]

[TejasBimmer]

NICE!!!!
You did a great job...love the door pulls!

[nonhog]

Wow ! making me rethink OSB .

[raider65]

Dammmm that shop is awesome...

[DYNODANNY]

lots of room, very nice. love the work space

[Quiksilver]

Great detail, looking awesome. Any outside pics?

[porschedude996TT]

Are we going to see the upstairs?

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by porschedude996TT

Are we going to see the upstairs?

I'll try to snap a few and post before I leave.

[nathank]

This has def been one of my favorite builds!

[Weedwaka]

Very creative use of materials . Love it !

[autoist]

Man, that is one fantastic looking garage!

[v8garage]

Great job! Please keep us updated with pics when you get your "stuff" in place.

[oldbones]

Wow, can I be your Mother in Law???

[82_454_shorty]

Wow! Great place and great toys!

Good job buddy!

[nathank]

That guest house is great!

Well, actually the whole garage is great.

[PAToyota]

Very nicely done!

Originally Posted by oldbones

Wow, can I be your Mother in Law???

Careful there - that could mean you'd have to sleep with his father-in-law!

[autoist]

Upstairs photos gave me some ideas....contractor was here today to price finishing part of my garage 2nd floor into a playroom for grandson & finishing wife's pantry that's part of garage building.....he's starting on 15th & I like the way your 2nd floor is painted/finished.

[KMR Construction]

Did the building inspector bust your balls about the windows now being 18" off the floor?

[brad d]

Super nice shop, house and view. looks great

Just one thing that i would think about... using 5/8" fire guard drywall on the ceiling of the shop.. would hate to have a fire down there while you were sleeping, its code up here.

[v8garage]

Originally Posted by KMR Construction

Did the building inspector bust your balls about the windows now being 18" off the floor?

If he lives in rural Texas, which it looks like he does, there probably wasn't a building inspector. I have built two houses and several shops and barns and I have never even talked to a building inspector.

[cyclopsblown34]

Man, what a shop and mother in law quarters.

[atvmech]

Whats a building inspector???..... <---- (see location)

[jbounds]

how far are you from the big pecan?

[Ray-CA]

What type/brand of floor tiles did you use? That looks like what I would like to do, but all the tiles I am finding, won't hold up to jacks, jack-stands etc.

Looks great by the way!!!!!

Ray

[Bender78]

I'm really liking the choice of interior finish materials in this garage. Where do you get unmarked OSB like that?

[ace3]

wow, looks great!

where did you get your (kitchen) cabinets?

[Omphaloskeptic]

Your shrine looks mighty fine! Mind if I ask where you found the plans? Better yet, are your reworked plans available? What was the final cost; or is that something you haven't tallied up and really don't want to know. Ignorance is sometimes preferable when the wife asks those kinds of questions (heh-heh)!

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by jbounds

how far are you from the big pecan?

I'm between Kerrville and Medina.......

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by Ray-CA

What type/brand of floor tiles did you use? That looks like what I would like to do, but all the tiles I am finding, won't hold up to jacks, jack-stands etc.

Looks great by the way!!!!!

Ray

Thanks Ray,

I used Armstrong commercial VCT. I never plan to have a jack on mine and would not recommend it.

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by KMR Construction

Did the building inspector bust your balls about the windows now being 18" off the floor?

Bottom panels are disabled. Inspector...Insmechtor....we country folk don't need no one telling us the obvious! We see a problem..we fix it.

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by ace3

wow, looks great!

where did you get your (kitchen) cabinets?

I got the un-finished cabinets from LOWES and put them on a 6" pedistal. I'm 6'-4" and like the extra height. I could not find decent handles/knobs for the cabinets and drawers so I installed plated "eye bolts".









I just re-read your question...you asked about the "kitchen"...same answer, different knobs.

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by Omphaloskeptic

Your shrine looks mighty fine! Mind if I ask where you found the plans? Better yet, are your reworked plans available? What was the final cost; or is that something you haven't tallied up and really don't want to know. Ignorance is sometimes preferable when the wife asks those kinds of questions (heh-heh)!

Thanks, it's slowly coming together.

I designed it and hired an architect to make me honest. I found out that honesty cost about $2K! It is a basic "Saltbox" design that I altered to accept a lift and store a full size pick-up camper (My "Goober package".) above a lifted vehicle. Floor to ceiling, I have 24 foot to play with and I still have a 20 X 21 room upstairs. The building is 37 X 30 not including the 10 X 20 outside storage. The structure minus 2 Post lift and landscaping was about $105K. Cost is subjective though, there are a lot of variables. I'm on a hill with lots of rocks and I insisted on certain building standards and techniques that impacted my cost. I also saved by acting as my own contractor and buying all contents not considered structural.

[TejasBimmer]

Love the view off the upstairs!
Can I come over to stay....

[RbrtAWhyt]

I like the eye-bolts for drawer pulls idea. Thats pretty cool...

[atvmech]

Originally Posted by TheShrine

Bottom panels are disabled. Inspector...Insmechtor....we country folk don't need no one telling us the obvious! We see a problem..we fix it.

Thats right, whats an inspector in rural texas?

Ok somebody jump on his ass because of the windows, please, you do it to me, dont be prejudice!!

[MC]

Absolutely beautiful. We're not too far from you and we too have the rock problem. It's going to be a challenge when we start our build. We'll definitely be referencing your build when we start ours! Looks fantastic...
MC

[AKS_Racing]

I first wrote this in the other thread, then realized there was an update.

Awesome garage build!!!

As many have stated, I wish I visited this site before I built my garage, I could have gotten more ideas.

I have a brother who lives out in the Bulverde area that has the same experience with the rocks as you have. He also has a whole slew of vettes that he says are great for the curves driving to / from his house. As both he and I are vette fans (both members on CF), what vette is parked under that cover? Any others?

As it appears that someone named your garage "the shrine", my wife has dubbed mine the "GarageMahal", 34' x 31' room upstairs with ablcony, full bath, some storage, one bedroom, and large funroom.

Again, awesome build!!!
Aaron

[PERFORMANCE-RED]

Very cool garage but I think you man cave up stairs got a little girly looking.

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by PERFORMANCE-RED

Very cool garage but I think you man cave up stairs got a little girly looking.

OW!!! Some things we should keep to ourselves!

Actually, you got me. When my "basic" garage morphed into the Shrine (as she calls it) it became her area. My best intentions were documented in an earlier thread. See the outlet boxes containing the cables (RG 6, HDMI, and Audio fiber) with the up and down power that was originally planned for the big screen and surround sound system.





The likely hood of it not being a bedroom in the future is greater than it not being a theater! Patience, Grasshopper.

[ChevyMan23]

I havent read the earlier thread, so this info may be in there, if it is I apologize, but what kind of hearters are those and what are their ratings as far as sq/ft.? Thanks, and OSB FTW. Awesome build.

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by ChevyMan23

I havent read the earlier thread, so this info may be in there, if it is I apologize, but what kind of hearters are those and what are their ratings as far as sq/ft.? Thanks, and OSB FTW. Awesome build.

No problem, I can't remember if I did mention them or not, but they are Ductless Split Systems. They are common virtually everywhere but the States. I first saw them in Mexico. We owned a house South of Guadalajara and I became intrigued with them there. I have one in the upper room and one in the shop area. The following is what the manufacturer say..................

18,000 BTU - 13 SEER - R410A
[Cooling + Heating] 500-700 sq ft
A practical alternative to the expense of central air conditioning, as well as an aesthetically pleasing alternative to window or through-the-wall air conditioners. A streamlined and light-weight air handler is mounted on the inside wall. Refrigerant and condensate lines run through a small hole in the wall to the outside unit. Initial power is to the outside unit and then relayed to the air handler. Extremely quiet as the compressor and condenser coil are outside. Full electronic and remote control.

[TheShrine]

The move-in has begun....









This is going to take me longer than I expected!

[TheShrine]

Time to take the camper off(My daughter calls it "The Goober Package")....

[TheShrine]

The 10K-lb lift was delivered and installed.....














From the projection of the last pic it appears as if the camper will hit the lift on the way down but it doesn't. It misses it by about 12 inches.

[TheShrine]

I am about finished with unpacking except for the stuff still on order or waiting to be cleaned. Also, the steel table top (The one with the drill press.) has not been installed.

Now it's time to mess it up!

[cyclopsblown34]

Real nice close to final result. Any more pics of the Vette? I'm guessing it's a low nose. Probably the best looking of the shark Vettes.

[Bender78]

Congratulations on a fine build; the results are stunning. Gives me a lot of ideas for MY retirement home.

What type of finish did you use on the OSB?

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by Bender78

Congratulations on a fine build; the results are stunning. Gives me a lot of ideas for MY retirement home.

What type of finish did you use on the OSB?

I considered various finishes, all clear, but in the end used nothing. It's just unmarked OSB that has been trimmed in cedar. The cedar was a last minute decision and I hadn't considered the amount of cedar that would be needed. My attached garage is that way and I liked it so I duplicated in my new garage. If you don't paint it you'll have to look real hard to see any holes or blems in it.

I've seen where people have painted it and it just didn't look right to me. It's a matter of taste.

[coachrick]

OK, OK, I'm officially jealous! I don't think I could pull that off on our 1/3 acre over here in Avery Ranch! Maybe my cowboy BIL out in Lometa needs a garage! He has some riverfront property over in Marble Falls also...now, there's a thought!

Well done!

[HOTFR8]

Again very impressive set up.

[Oldschool54]

What an AWSUME garage! The cougated sheeting on work shop area cieling is that plastic or metal? I really love that look.

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by Oldschool54

What an AWSUME garage! The cougated sheeting on work shop area cieling is that plastic or metal? I really love that look.

Thanks!

All corrugated walls and the ceiling are metal. It's called "Galvalume", easy to work with.

[Oldschool54]

Where can I find some info on Galvalume?
Thanks

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by Oldschool54

Where can I find some info on Galvalume?
Thanks

Here is one of many sites http://www.flexospan.com/panel_corrugated.htm

Google it

[chaingang]

Originally Posted by Oldschool54

Where can I find some info on Galvalume?
Thanks

Galvalume is just the finish color. Anybody that has sheet metal roofing should have this color option. Most places offer lotsa' colors and the galvalume is one of them. The galvalume finish is applied slightly differently than the colored finish and usually has a slightly shorter warranty. My shop roof is 26ga galvalume and they only give a 25 year warranty a colored roof would have had a 30 year.

[TXGarageNut]

This place is way too nice! It looks like a showroom. Is it ever dirty or used to work on the toys? Where did the plans come from. It does not look like a garage on the outside. Show some pics of the toys, also what is that Kawasaki thing? Are there any pics of the actual build?

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by cyclopsblown34

Real nice close to final result. Any more pics of the Vette? I'm guessing it's a low nose. Probably the best looking of the shark Vettes.

Thanks Cyclopsblown34! Here's a few more pics.....

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by TXGarageNut

This place is way too nice! It looks like a showroom. Is it ever dirty or used to work on the toys? Where did the plans come from. It does not look like a garage on the outside. Show some pics of the toys, also what is that Kawasaki thing? Are there any pics of the actual build?

Thanks GarageNut! It does get dirty....I planned it myself......the entire build is on this forum.....and the Kawasaki "thing" is a MULE 3010. It's an absolute necessity here in the Hill Country.

Brake job and oil change that went awry.....











The MULE..........4X4 with XM Radio.

[IDASHO]

Nice looking place!


Hard to tell from the photos.... but can you get that campershell down without hitting the top bar on the 2-post

[HOTFR8]

TheShrine, I do like your set up. I only wish I had seen your design before I built my place. That upstairs area looks so practical and would have made a great office in my situation.

[toadjammer]

Originally Posted by TheShrine

From the projection of the last pic it appears as if the camper will hit the lift on the way down but it doesn't. It misses it by about 12 inches

IDASHO
Please read the whole post.

[IDASHO]

Well EXCUSE me!

Believe it or not, some people dont read the entire thread, front to back.

Maybe next time Ill just omit posting all together.

Some people on this forum.....

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by toadjammer

IDASHO
Please read the whole post.

Originally Posted by IDASHO

Well EXCUSE me!

Believe it or not, some people dont read the entire thread, front to back.

Maybe next time Ill just omit posting all together.

Some people on this forum.....

OK guys, THANKS for the interest and comments. I'm guilty of not reading all of the details myself sometimes. To be honest, I'm more interested in the pics than the comments most of the time.

Attached are pics that will clear up any questions concerning the clearance between the lift and the camper.

BTW, I'll take full credit for being lucky on the clearance. I had already installed the camper lift by the time I decided on a lift. It just worked out right...don't tell anyone.

[IDASHO]

Thats why I asked. With the sequence of photos, it looked like you raised the shell up there before the lift was installed.

BTW, what happened with the oil change?? Is that a filter base stuck to the motor

[Stargeezer]

Originally Posted by TheShrine

I considered various finishes, all clear, but in the end used nothing. It's just unmarked OSB that has been trimmed in cedar. The cedar was a last minute decision and I hadn't considered the amount of cedar that would be needed. My attached garage is that way and I liked it so I duplicated in my new garage. If you don't paint it you'll have to look real hard to see any holes or blems in it.

I've seen where people have painted it and it just didn't look right to me. It's a matter of taste.

First of all: fantastic garage. Cool cars. A Vette and a Jeep. My two favs..

Won't OSB eventually puff-up and start to expand from moisture in the air if not somehow sealed? I like the look of it OK unfinished & natural. I just bought thirty sheets to finish off the inside of a storage pole barn. I had planned to shoot it with Kills2 to seal it. White would help bounce some light too

Which clear finishes did you consider? Might go that way..
Thanks

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by jbounds

how far are you from the big pecan?

I'm not sure where that is......where is it?

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by IDASHO

Thats why I asked. With the sequence of photos, it looked like you raised the shell up there before the lift was installed.

BTW, what happened with the oil change?? Is that a filter base stuck to the motor

After storing both the Vette and the Jeep for over a year, they needed an oil change. The jobs were made easy with the new lift. The Jeep oil change went without problems, pretty straight forward. The Vette, on the other hand, was a nightmare. Once the Vette was in the air I noticed that all 4 calipers were leaking....not uncommon on these old girls. I was intimately aware of what was before me since this was my 3rd time to replace them. Since I was not interested in doing this again I ordered new stainless steel sleeved calipers with the O ring design. They are guaranteed (HA,ha) not to leak. While I was waiting for the new calipers to be delivered I started the oil change. When I got to the filter I noticed that it appeared partially collapsed. Knowing that it would sit for over a year I intentionally had the oil changed just before I stored it. The young man who "changed" my oil did just that, and only that! Apparently the person who changed it before him had cross threaded the filter. When he tried to remove it, the filter can collapsed ever so slightly and he elected to not tell me and sent me on my way. When I tried to remove it the filter can/housing collapsed to the point that it eventually just peeled away leaving just the top part that connects to the engine. After many suggestions from this board I had to just beat it off. The process and end result is as follows:













BTW, the oil change place is in another city, many hours away, or I would have visited with them and had a "come to Jesus" with the manager!

[wagonmaster]

WOW! Lucky them that they weren't local!! Cleaning and re-threading is a blast, huh?

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by Stargeezer

First of all: fantastic garage. Cool cars. A Vette and a Jeep. My two favs..

Won't OSB eventually puff-up and start to expand from moisture in the air if not somehow sealed? I like the look of it OK unfinished & natural. I just bought thirty sheets to finish off the inside of a storage pole barn. I had planned to shoot it with Kills2 to seal it. White would help bounce some light too

Which clear finishes did you consider? Might go that way..
Thanks

Thanks Stargeezer!

As I have said previously, UNpainted OSB was just my preference. I've seen and had painted OSB and the look was not what I was going for. It's way too bumpy, regardless of color, and light was not one of my concerns. I have plenty of windows, 2 opposing garage doors, and lots of strip lighting. Once you paint it, it'll show every hole/blemish in it...whether you put it there or not.

As far as the "swelling" from moisture concern...if you have that kind of humidity you'll definitely want to seal it with something. I had unsealed or unpainted OSB in South Texas, on the coast, for over 25 years with no problems. I've even seen OSB on the exterior, uncovered or unsealed for at least 8 years, with "little" problems. I do not recommend this with any kind of unprotected wood. The OSB of today is not the same as we used to get years ago. It's a much better product capable of extremely harsh conditions and some types are even better than plain wood.

The clear finishes I considered were those like THOMPSON'S WATER SEAL. I tested a piece and could see no benefit since it was used on the interior and was already a proven, reliable, and hardy product.............and I like the way it looks.

That's my $0.02!

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by wagonmaster

WOW! Lucky them that they weren't local!! Cleaning and re-threading is a blast, huh?

Luckily, after a week of tapping, that progressed to hammering, that ended in beating, there was no damage to the threads. The new filter spun right on with no problem!

[mikester]

I had that happen to a filter once. On the 72 Nova that I owned. The filter twisted up like an aluminum beer can when I tried to take it off. I got a stainless steel Varian flange from one of my friends, put in 2 bolts and had a large nut welded to the other side. Took it right off. I later found out that Snap On had a tool just like it. I still have it in my toolbox. Funny thing is that I only had to use it that one time.

[woodbutch]

T S: you are correct about the obs. when it is painted some of the flakes of wood do swell and peel looking worse than unfinished. Great build! I got to get me some of those cabinet pulls for the rental houses, see if those @#$% renters can tear them up.

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by woodbutch

T S: you are correct about the obs. when it is painted some of the flakes of wood do swell and peel looking worse than unfinished. Great build! I got to get me some of those cabinet pulls for the rental houses, see if those @#$% renters can tear them up.

Thanks Woodbutch!

I looked around a lot trying find just the right knobs, but everything was just too....kitcheny. The utilitarian types were best suited for a barn or shed. I came across the eye bolts while I was looking for some hangers for the various air lines. Tried a couple for looks and use, and then put them on all cabinets and drawers downstairs. Besides looking sharp they were half the price of any decent knobs.

[RobSmith]

Originally Posted by TheShrine

After storing both the Vette and the Jeep for over a year, they needed an oil change. The jobs were made easy with the new lift. The Jeep oil change went without problems, pretty straight forward. The Vette, on the other hand, was a nightmare. Once the Vette was in the air I noticed that all 4 calipers were leaking....not uncommon on these old girls. I was intimately aware of what was before me since this was my 3rd time to replace them. Since I was not interested in doing this again I ordered new stainless steel sleeved calipers with the O ring design. They are guaranteed (HA,ha) not to leak. While I was waiting for the new calipers to be delivered I started the oil change. When I got to the filter I noticed that it appeared partially collapsed. Knowing that it would sit for over a year I intentionally had the oil changed just before I stored it. The young man who "changed" my oil did just that, and only that! Apparently the person who changed it before him had cross threaded the filter. When he tried to remove it, the filter can collapsed ever so slightly and he elected to not tell me and sent me on my way. When I tried to remove it the filter can/housing collapsed to the point that it eventually just peeled away leaving just the top part that connects to the engine. After many suggestions from this board I had to just beat it off. The process and end result is as follows:













BTW, the oil change place is in another city, many hours away, or I would have visited with them and had a "come to Jesus" with the manager!

A Perfect example and reason to do these jobs yourself.

[jkherd]

I ve seen this before, the technician probably put the oil filter wrench around the center of the filter and collapsed it, should have put it around the end of it to provide additional support, if the guy knew what he was doing he would have done it the right way

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by jkherd

if the guy knew what he was doing he would have done it the right way

It's unfortunate but I learned my lesson. Now I ask to see the old filter, roll it around like I really care, and say THANKS. It keeps everyone honest, and don't have to get under the vehicle to be assured of this century's kind of "auto service"!

A similar thing happened last week. I took the ol' Newmar motor coach down to get a lube service and was bitten again. It is stored on a cement slab and I KNOW it was not leaking anywhere but the service tech insisted that the threads on the plug were bad and could possible ruin the threads on the pan. He went through this long explanation trying to show me how the threads on the plug were slanted, blah, blah, blah........anyway, I didn't have my glasses so it was easier to pay $ 8 bucks, and get a move on, than delay the process. Afterward I brought the coach home to check out all of the systems on it and I parked it in my driveway. By the time I had gathered the stuff I needed and returned to the coach, maybe 15 minutes, there was a big ol' pool of fresh Quaker State gathering on my clean drive. It was and is leaking to the extent that by the time I finish with my "cleaning and check out", I'll have to add a quart or two to get it back to them.

For now it has a wash bucket under it and I'm hoping my drive will eventually come clean!

[Dodgepu360]

Originally Posted by TheShrine

I'm not sure where that is......where is it?

Seguin Texas

on I-10 East of SA about 30-40 miles or so

my home town

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by Dodgepu360

Seguin Texas

on I-10 East of SA about 30-40 miles or so

my home town

Sooo, Seguin is Fischer, or close to it? I know Seguin well...I'm use to live in Richmond-Rosenberg, just down/up the road from Seguin.

[ka41]

Just found this thread and had to read every page. This is one of the best looking garages I've seen. I'm in the process of building one myself. Not nearly as detailed as yours. Its 30x34 metal building with 15ft walls. I have a couple of questions for you if you dont mind. I am interested in the split ductless a/c system you have. Can you give me the manufacturers name and where you bought it and also how is it doing for you.
Also I currently have exposed vinyl faced insulation for the ceiling but I am now considering putting a white corrugated metal ceiling in it. I really like yours.

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by ka41

Just found this thread and had to read every page. This is one of the best looking garages I've seen. I'm in the process of building one myself. Not nearly as detailed as yours. Its 30x34 metal building with 15ft walls. I have a couple of questions for you if you dont mind. I am interested in the split ductless a/c system you have. Can you give me the manufacturers name and where you bought it and also how is it doing for you.
Also I currently have exposed vinyl faced insulation for the ceiling but I am now considering putting a white corrugated metal ceiling in it. I really like yours.

Thanks, I appreciate it!
My place is 30 X 37, 1620 sqft. It was fun to build and more fun to use! I bought the A/C's over the WEB and had a local company actually start them up. My builder and myself installed them. For warranty purposes you'll want a certified service tech to turn them on. They are both Heat pump inverter units and work like a charm! They are super efficient, much more efficient than conventional ducted systems and window units, and they are whisper quite. They are designed to be installed on an outside wall. Both of mine are on inside walls. If you plan to install on an inside wall definitely pre-plan the install...down to every stud. It's quite simple but you have to consider the drain and make sure there's no way it will backup because of lack of incline. I bought mine from a site called Kingersons. Just go to Kingersons.com and see what they have. They have a unit and many manufacturers for every application. They were the most affordable at the time and have been very easy to work with. Their warranty is the best I could find as well.

The corrugated metal is hung over OSB, trimmed and screwed.

Good luck and thanks again!

[ka41]

What did the countertop height end up being after you added the pedestal. Also what is the gauge of the galvalume. I posted earlier about your garage. It is very tastefully done.
Thanks

[thomask]

Just read all your threads.

A super build that you can be very proud of.

Have a C3 also in white with red interior. Had to decustomize it if you know what I mean.

Such a nice ride you have and super low miles.

Did you restore or is that original interior?

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by ka41

What did the countertop height end up being after you added the pedestal. Also what is the gauge of the galvalume. I posted earlier about your garage. It is very tastefully done.
Thanks

I'm not sure on the counter height. They were basic kitchen counter height...I think 36", and I just set them on some 2 X 6's and covered the base with the corrugated metal and trimmed with cedar...a lot of cedar!

I don't know the gauge of the metal. When I bought it I didn't have a choice. I do know that it was thicker than I expected. Since it was for show only, I wanted a lighter gauge to work with. It turned out to be easier than I thought. I've had some pretty good bumps on it and it has held up good.

Also, thanks for the compliments! It's been fun.

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by thomask

Just read all your threads.

A super build that you can be very proud of.

Have a C3 also in white with red interior. Had to decustomize it if you know what I mean.

Such a nice ride you have and super low miles.

Did you restore or is that original interior?

Someone who actually reads the threads! Good for you.

I didn't really "restore" it, but what I did do was in 1995. It was in process for 4 years. I was still working then and had to find time to work on it. It originally had a gray/silver paint job. The kind that GM put out back in those days that got real dull and you could not wax it at all. I pulled everything out of the interior, everything, and re-did that. New carpet, insulated pad, seat leather, radio, speakers, and steering wheel. Everything else is original, which I restored my self. The engine and transmission has never been opened. I've replaced all of the under bushings..it still rides like a camel! There's nothing special about it..it just became a little more special over that 4 years. Oh yea, that whale tail on the back is an eye sore. I was at a point that I had to put something on it and every one shipped to me was warped or just wrong. So I found that and it fit..so there it is. It was not my first choice. It originally had the bob tail that was plastic, and it had cracked (Another bad idea from GM). Anyway attached are some old scanned pics of the process. The project took place in two different garages. I painted it in a friends doorless barn. There is no reason it should look as good as it does. The final was done in my old garage.

The gray one is the one I still have and the red one was restored and traded about 1997.



The open barn.....


I sanded it down to the original fiber glass and painted it Cadillac White and laid down 5 clear coats with Red Pearl...




Back at my place for the inside.....







It stays home most of the time.

[thomask]

The Shrine,

Thanks a million for the great pictures and background.

You can be proud of your vet.

This is one of the finest restoration paint jobs in a doorless barn ever......

Don't part with her she is special and now has a home to match in your great, garage/shop/penthouse.

[thomask]

The Shrine,

After seeing your "rides" you got me looking around for a jeep again. Did you restore the one you have? I have been shopping, (e bay, craigs, etc.) and what do you suggest for a guy wanting a third vehicle such as a jeep. Best years, engine condition etc? Would like to use her as a tow vehicle for my motor coach. Any pics to show?

Thanks guy.

[Dodgepu360]

Originally Posted by TheShrine

Sooo, Seguin is Fischer, or close to it? I know Seguin well...I'm use to live in Richmond-Rosenberg, just down/up the road from Seguin.

well no Fischer is about an hour drive North West of Seguin
North of Canyon Lake
not much is in Fischer, a post office is about it

[e-tek]

Just re-reading this link - thanks for posting it as well as you built it. It's a testament to thinking outside the box-style shop!! Hope (bet) you're enjoying your time in there.

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by thomask

The Shrine,

After seeing your "rides" you got me looking around for a jeep again. Did you restore the one you have? I have been shopping, (e bay, craigs, etc.) and what do you suggest for a guy wanting a third vehicle such as a jeep. Best years, engine condition etc? Would like to use her as a tow vehicle for my motor coach. Any pics to show?

Thanks guy.

Thomask,
Asking a guy about which Jeep to buy is like asking a guy which girl to date/marry! That's a hard thing to do. I found mine (1995 YJ Wrangler) in 2000 and was set firm on an 80's model with a V8. Everything I found was 100K+ miles and rusted "all to be damned". Jeeps are notorious for rusting...not necessarily for the manufacturing process but because of how people treat them. I looked at quite a few and eventually made up my mind to find something, anything in good condition, and rebuild with a V8. I had just about given up when I found this Wrangler w/ 4.2 litre in line 6. The body was virtually perfect, NO rust, Rough Country lift, 34K mile, soft top, factory A/C, great interior, +++. Apparently, it was owned by a "lady" who drove it as a second car until she put the lift package on it and decided it rode too rough....At least that is the story I was told. I test drove it and bought it on the spot with the intention of swapping the 6 for an 8. That was 9 years ago and it still has the 6 in it. That little 6 does a fine job and has never left me needing more power. It is pulled behind my Newmar Kountry Aire motor coach and sees most of it's miles that way. All I've done is mostly "bolt-on" stuff like body panels and chrome parts. I enjoy it and plan to keep it for as long as I can drive it!

Don't let the "LOBO" emblem fool you. That is the name FORD gives it's F-150 pick-ups in Mexico. We have a house just south of Guadalajara and I messing around in a parts house one day and bought a couple of the LOBO emblems. I put them on the YJ to mess with people. Every now and then I'll come across a "know-it-all" that claims to really like "those Jeep LOBOs". Sometimes I'll say something...sometimes I don't.


One time I dropped it off to have a radiator changed on it and didn't think to tell the guy that it wasn't a LOBO. Anyway after several hours I returned to find him feverishly flipping the pages of the application manual trying to find the right radiator for a JEEP LOBO! He was a friend but he was till a little miffed about wasting all the time looking for a LOBO radiator.







I pull it behind this...

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by e-tek

Just re-reading this link - thanks for posting it as well as you built it. It's a testament to thinking outside the box-style shop!! Hope (bet) you're enjoying your time in there.

Thanks for noticing e-tek! It was fun building it and is fun having it!

[thomask]

That jeep is really good look'n behind that big motor home. I agree you got to look at a dozen to find one that has a decent body on her. Those diamond plate panels look great, too. Does mileage roll up when towing? Do you even know she is back there?

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by thomask

That jeep is really good look'n behind that big motor home. I agree you got to look at a dozen to find one that has a decent body on her. Those diamond plate panels look great, too. Does mileage roll up when towing? Do you even know she is back there?

Actually, the gas mileage doesn't change when pulling the Jeep in flat land. On average I get about 10 miles per gallon. It significantly changes if I'm in hilly country. The unit is 38 feet long and without the rear view camera I'd never know the Jeep was back there.

[nate379]

What do you mean unmarked OSB? It's only marked on 1 side, just put that against the wall.

Originally Posted by Bender78

I'm really liking the choice of interior finish materials in this garage. Where do you get unmarked OSB like that?

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by nate379

What do you mean unmarked OSB? It's only marked on 1 side, just put that against the wall.

nate379,
In my area the predominant OSB product is "marked" on both sides and both sides are rough. On one side there were product codes and name, and the other side had markings (paint) related to the milling/manufacturing process. The product I used had no markings (paint) on either side. In fact mine had two different surface textures on either side. One side had a very rough surface, common to OSB, which was the result of the milling process and the other side had a smooth surface....almost as if it had been plained.

[Nealcrenshaw]

A nice set of toys you have there.

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by Nealcrenshaw

A nice set of toys you have there.

Thanks Neal. I just left you a private message. Maybe I'll post some additional pics.

[USMCBay]

Oh Mighty One who owns an Awesome Garage in the beautiful Texas Hill Country... may my dreams come true and I someday retire there with a Garage much like yours~!

Being from TX and loving the Hill Country - I completely understand your corrugated tin Wainscot. I will have to borrow your idea and cut some for Cabinet Panels. I wanted something to take up the Large Cabinet door space and that will be my solution~!

[TheShrine]

My bride got me a new sign........

[onewaydave]

Nice build. x1 corregated steel. But I specially like the timber and rought wood on the portico.

[Grizz1963]

Beautiful, Beautiful, Beautiful.

Maybe one day I would like to find a country where I can build a garage like that.

[F8LSNAKE]

Awesome build and it gave me many ideas. We plan to leave where we are in a few yrs and hope to have enough property to build a nice garage/shop behind the house. We could build one like this and actually live in it while the house is being built and then I'll have the perfect man cave when done. I need a shrine for the cobra. Thanks for the detailed post.

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by Grizz1963

Beautiful, Beautiful, Beautiful.

Maybe one day I would like to find a country where I can build a garage like that.

You can! Get you a ticket to TEXAS!

The weather is fine, the women are beautiful and the dogs are smart!

WELCOME!

BTW, Thanks

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by onewaydave

Nice build. x1 corregated steel. But I specially like the timber and rought wood on the portico.

Originally Posted by F8LSNAKE

Awesome build and it gave me many ideas. We plan to leave where we are in a few yrs and hope to have enough property to build a nice garage/shop behind the house. We could build one like this and actually live in it while the house is being built and then I'll have the perfect man cave when done. I need a shrine for the cobra. Thanks for the detailed post.

Thanks!

My next project is to design and build the collapsing stairs for the lift area.

Anyone have any ideas?

[1tonstroke]

I have no ideas for the stairs but a killer build and great use of materials. I intend to build something very similar and being a bachelor will most likely live in it for a while. When I get the project off the ground will post pictures and will certainly take some pointers from what you have done. Again awesome garage and thanks for sharing.

[R1chy]

Not collapsing, but a ship style ladder is the best use of space (read as smallest foot print). But you should check with your local inspector to see if they will have a problem with it. Use the following link to a web-site that indicates standard measurements if you want to attempt to build a set yourself. They will also make one for you for $$$$.

http://www.fsindustries.com/ships_ladder.htm.

Another option is an alternating tread style ladder, again the pro is a small foot print, but I have always found these awkward to use (sailors will tell you that you get used to them after a while). Use the following to get an idea of the pro's and con's with this style.

http://www.orosha.org/pdf/pubs/fact_sheets/fs34.pdf

Good luck, R1chy

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by R1chy

Not collapsing, but a ship style ladder is the best use of space (read as smallest foot print). But you should check with your local inspector to see if they will have a problem with it. Use the following link to a web-site that indicates standard measurements if you want to attempt to build a set yourself. They will also make one for you for $$$$.

http://www.fsindustries.com/ships_ladder.htm.

Good luck, R1chy

I like the "ship's ladder" design/concept. I want the ladder, which ever style is settled on, to be hinged and connected at the top so it can be raised and lowered into position when needed. As a rule it will be in the up position allowing maximum use of floor space and serve to block the gap in the upper cedar railing. I plan on using a winch like I used on my truck camper/top.

Any more ideas? I know I want a hinge at the top....I'm trying to decide if a another hinge in the middle might be necessary. One hinge = simple design. Two hinges complicates design as well as the lifting and lowering aspect of the project.

Jack Olsen....what say you?



The ladder would lower in the space between the lift column and the wall.

[R1chy]

If you like the ship style ladder idea, then how about building it as one unit with tracks that enable it, via a counter weight, to slide up when not in use and then pull down when needed. Kind of like the bottom ladder on a city building fire escape - the type you see on an old building in a city.

When in the fully raised position, you can include matching rail built into the back on the ladder.

R1chy

[Omphaloskeptic]

Howdy,
You might take a look at this site for some folding stair inspiration:
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/340096/5
Its a great read in total, but about halfway down the page the author discusses his ramp design with detailed photos. I thought the same approach would work for a folding stairway that provides the barrier you want when stowed.
Enjoy!

[lsudecat04]

Your build was sweet. This is pretty much exactly what i want to do except put a pool table and make it an entertainment 2 level instead of an extra bedroom

http://www.carbis.net/

You can try them. They can build you what ever you would like.

[bluesman2a]

DUDE!!! you should get one of THESE!!! It would have infinite coolness...

[DIC]

I love this build. Great shop and layout, Man that upstairs is nice.
That view is beautiful and I like your toys and your dog.....
But that AVATAR is gross.

[Mustanger]

Great Garage!! Lots of ideas I plan on stealing when I build mine – like the eye bolt drawer/cabinet pulls.

More of a Mustang guy (obviously) but nice 'vette.

[Garage_Mahal]

Rainbow makes the best folding stairs I think this is the model you want for your mezzanine.

I'm putting alternating tread stairs in my shed, designed like the Lapeyre ship stair or the Karina space-saving stair. I don't have any requirements to fold it out of the way.

[bryna]

I'm going to go ahead and admit it from the start.... I'm going to steal an idea from you... LOL!

I admire the corrugated tin you installed around the perimeter of your shop, I saw a similar idea in a restaurant not far from here.

My question is this, what type of lumber did you use on the bottom and top of the tin? I'm thinking about taking a standard 2" X 4" and cutting a 3/4" "slot" to to capture the bottom and top edges maintaining a tight fit.

And, I assume you used 36" pieces of tin?

Thanks again!

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by bryna

I'm going to go ahead and admit it from the start.... I'm going to steal an idea from you... LOL!

I admire the corrugated tin you installed around the perimeter of your shop, I saw a similar idea in a restaurant not far from here.

My question is this, what type of lumber did you use on the bottom and top of the tin? I'm thinking about taking a standard 2" X 4" and cutting a 3/4" "slot" to to capture the bottom and top edges maintaining a tight fit.

And, I assume you used 36" pieces of tin?

Thanks again!

bryna,
Steal away! I used cedar on all trim for the metal, doors, windows, ceiling and the trim between each piece of OSB. All trim was job cut from 2 X 4's, 4 X 4's and 6 X 6's. On the bottom of the metal wainscot I ripped a 2 X 4 to get a 1 X 4 and on the top I ripped a 2 X 4 to get a 2 X 2 with a dado and then screwed the tin for looks only. The metal would stay put with out the screws...I just liked the way the screws looked. And, yes, the metal is 36".

Thanks for the comments!

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by DIC

I love this build. Great shop and layout, Man that upstairs is nice.
That view is beautiful and I like your toys and your dog.....
But that AVATAR is gross.

I agree.........a little late but I changed the avatar.

[galute]

Awesome build TheShrine. Very nice place you have there. It is very similar to what I'm planning for my own build that I just started. I plan on borrowing a few of your idea's if you don't mind.

I have a question about your lift. I think I read early in this thread where you said you are 6' 4"? If so me too. I'm undecided at this point if I want to install a lift in mine. I haven't had time to do much research yet but most of the lift's I've been around are too short for me. I hate having to work under a vehicle bent over, I'd rather work off jack stands and a creeper. How is your lift working out for you? Tall enough? Thanks.

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by galute

Awesome build TheShrine. Very nice place you have there. It is very similar to what I'm planning for my own build that I just started. I plan on borrowing a few of your idea's if you don't mind.

I have a question about your lift. I think I read early in this thread where you said you are 6' 4"? If so me too. I'm undecided at this point if I want to install a lift in mine. I haven't had time to do much research yet but most of the lift's I've been around are too short for me. I hate having to work under a vehicle bent over, I'd rather work off jack stands and a creeper. How is your lift working out for you? Tall enough? Thanks.

Thanks! Feel free to borrow any idea you wish. After all I borrowed them from someone else myself. I find that at 6'-4" I have plenty of lift height for my particular needs.

This is what I used to have to do....


This is much better.


I can even stick 3 of my toys in there. I can put 4 if I was willing to put one in the shop area.

[AndrewBigA]

awsome garage, one of my favs on GJ. i hope when mine is finally finished that i can have one of the cooler places on the board like you. well see when mine is actually done & what it all looks like. for now i can continue to dream & visualize of what my finished garage looks like but wait.........our garages are never finished right?

awsome space!

[gmhill33]

Originally Posted by TheShrine

Now it's time to mess it up!

First off, your garage looks great. I almost to the point of unpacking.

I have three questions.

1. What did you use for a counter top on the long work bench?

2. What is that above your door (heater, air cleaner)?

3. What is the width of the part that you put your lift in?


Thanks,
Gary

[JMisora]

Originally Posted by TheShrine

I found mine (1995 YJ Wrangler) Wrangler w/ 4.2 litre in line 6.

You sir should have a fuel injected 4.0 for that year... but hey it's a "Lobo" right?

[Grizz1963]

Just revisited this thread and again fell in love with your whole design and build.

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by Grizz1963

Just revisited this thread and again fell in love with your whole design and build.

You Sir, have great taste!

Thanks!

[trust]

Awesome, way nicer than my house in fact, you wouldnt be in the market to adopt a new son to go jeeping with would you? I'll being my own jeep (82 Scrambler) and can live in the garage.....

[rlfort]

Hey TheShrine... simply a terrific garage design and layout! I've been working on my 2+(barely) car garage to this end as well. At 24'x24' with 12' foot ceilings, I'm a bit cramped, so am working on some unique storage ideas to help with floor space. Example: I store my table saw up in a frame on the ceiling when not in use, kind of like where you have your pick up shell. It's pulled up by an elec wench and sits in a frame there until I (or my wife) needs it. Works pretty cool. I do plan to have the galv wainscoating with cedar trim as you've designed yours along with T&G cedar upper walls. I love the look! I just finished the cabinets (cedar trim as well) and will have red formica door fronts to match the red roll-away tool cabinets. Eventually I plan to have B&W checkered floor tile with red trim. I've been thinking for quite a while about a 2 post vs 4 post lift, and have decided on the 4 poster mainly because of the available casters to move it in and out (cramped for space). With the 12' ceilings, I plan to eventually design and install a ceiling hoist arangement to fold the 4 post lift up into the ceiling when not in use, similar to how the table saw works (can't you just see it? push a button and a carlift slowly unfolds out of the ceiliing!?!). I'll post pics as I move along. In either case, I'm having a ball and look forward to sharing what we build when we get further down the road. In the mean time, thanks to TheShrine for all your inspiration! BTW... my wife and I spent 5 years in the Center Point / Kerrville area and then another 5 over in San Marcos. Moved to Seattle/Tacoma back in 1994 where we still live today. It's OK in the summer, but boy I sure don't like the long dark days of constant drizzle and grey gloom up here in the winter. What we need up here is a couple of good Texas lightening storms to liven up the place and wake the neighbors up!! Any relief on the way for the drought I here you're still haviing down home?
Best regards from Gig Harbor, WA!

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by rlfort

Hey TheShrine... simply a terrific garage design and layout! ....Best regards from Gig Harbor, WA!

Thanks rlfort! I've done a lot to TheShrine since my last posting. I haven't posted any pics since this is a "garage" forum and the bulk of my work is the landscaping. We started the build in a drought (08) and we're still in it! Therefore the bulk of my landscaping is rock, 68 tons of it, and different varieties of cacti. The best part is no mowing and (virtually) no watering!

Thanks again! Good luck with your space. Sounds like fun.

[jonesy16]

Your garage is without a doubt a well planned project. Of particular interest to me is the canopy lift. What brand/size winch did you choose? Does it have its own electrical switch on the wall to control it? If so, any special wiring consideration that needed to be done? Thanks in advance for your input!

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by jonesy16

Your garage is without a doubt a well planned project. Of particular interest to me is the canopy lift. What brand/size winch did you choose? Does it have its own electrical switch on the wall to control it? If so, any special wiring consideration that needed to be done? Thanks in advance for your input!

Thanks!
The winch is a basic HF product with limit of 600 lbs (If I remember right.) and it is self locking. It requires 110V so I had that installed during build. The first pic shows the 110 line hanging and the longer line, draped over the railing, is the original that I extended. The original cord was 10 ft and the winch is 22 feet up. The cord is a 4 wire so an easy fix was not an everyday extension cord. I cut the cord/line about 18" from the up/down switch and added the additional rated wire. I bolted 4 - 1/4" plates to two different 2X8's then trimmed out with OSB and cedar.


Better view of how it is hung...




This one shows switch at end of cord. Since the idea was to get the camper on and off by mself I kept the cord, rather than wall mount the switch, so I could walk around the bed while I am positioning (lowering or lifting) all by myself. What will usally take 4 people will now take me about 30 minutes without help.

[jonesy16]

Thanks very much for all the useful information. I will be making the necessary arrangements for installation. I know my neighbor will be REAL happy, as he's usually the one I beg for help!

[TheShrine]

A couple of updates... I'm tired of protecting the workbench tops so I put metal down.

[TheShrine]

New front door for The Shrine....

Old door,


New door,

[56rpm]

Just read your build, Mr. Obvious thinks you did a spectacular job. The look, and layout is top shelf. I've got a Brother who lives in Round Rock and I love the Hill Country of Texas, sure beats the flat land of Bako, Ca. A question on your Vette, do you think the 3 brake jobs and rust on the exhaust in 34k miles is due to the age of the car, or something else? Again, great job on the build!

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by 56rpm

Just read your build, Mr. Obvious thinks you did a spectacular job. The look, and layout is top shelf. I've got a Brother who lives in Round Rock and I love the Hill Country of Texas, sure beats the flat land of Bako, Ca. A question on your Vette, do you think the 3 brake jobs and rust on the exhaust in 34k miles is due to the age of the car, or something else? Again, great job on the build!

Thanks for the kudos!

The little exhaust rust it does have ain't bad for a 33 year old car. The frame has none and the brakes are the result of lack of use. The o-rings dry out when not used and cause leaking/failure. I drive it a few hundred miles a year...mostly in my community. The last brake job I did I used a caliper with "stainless steel sleeves" which is suppose to eliminate the leaking issue...we'll see.

[FltEngCPO]

Great looking build! I'm definitely getting some ideas from this one. I like the corrugated steel and was planing to use something like that too.

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by FltEngCPO

Great looking build! I'm definitely getting some ideas from this one. I like the corrugated steel and was planing to use something like that too.

Thanks! Glad I could help.

Good luck on your build!

[TheShrine]

[Omphaloskeptic]

'The Shrine' just shines. Well done!

Did you decide to forgo the stairway system that you were researching a while back?
What does the upstairs apartment/man cave look like these days?
Keep us posted on the toys that live in 'The Shrine'. How is that ATV (Gator?) looking?

[Shoottx]

Somebody took advantage of the cool weekend to clean up

Still one of my favorite garages.

[richtersrodz]

Yes.. very nice garage.. I'd never go into the house..

[gdmclnh]

If I had that garage ---- I'd say "I have a house too? What's it look like?"

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by Omphaloskeptic

'The Shrine' just shines. Well done!

Did you decide to forgo the stairway system that you were researching a while back?
What does the upstairs apartment/man cave look like these days?
Keep us posted on the toys that live in 'The Shrine'. How is that ATV (Gator?) looking?

I'm still searching for some of used rolling stairs. At this point I'm not willing to buy a new set just to dismantle it for my needs. Hopefully a used set will roll my way soon!

The upstairs is still commandeered by my wife as an extra guess room. I'm being patient...eventually it WILL be the theater it was designed to be!!!

The Kawasaki Mule is about to be put out to pasture. It's had a hard life and is due a little pampering. I'm planning a resto to make it a toy rather than a tool. I'll post up the changes when they start.

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by Shoottx

Somebody took advantage of the cool weekend to clean up

Still one of my favorite garages.

Actually, I'm one of those hated clean wrenchers....almost to a fault.

The most recent posted pics were from the photographer who took the pics for the next issue of DREAM GARAGES. The Shrine is suppose to be in the January edition...I think.

BTW, Thanks!

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by gdmclnh

If I had that garage ---- I'd say "I have a house too? What's it look like?"

Thanks....what does what look like? The house??

[www.eldorado-seville.com]

Love it! congratulations!

[holdtherice]

Super nice garage. Now that you've had a little time to put it to use, do you spend about as much time as you expected to in there?

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by holdtherice

Super nice garage. Now that you've had a little time to put it to use, do you spend about as much time as you expected to in there?

I spend much more time than I expected. I tend to be overly organized and excessively tidy. So that requires a certain amount of time. Since this space is in addition to my attached garage, and I don't park my "dailys" in it, I find myself taking more time on a project than would normally be needed. An oil change can take several days because I end up poking around at things that I had no intention of addressing. It's not unusual to sit and look at a project...drink a few beers....over analyze.....do a little....drink a few beers...go back in the house. I just finished changing the spider gears in my Wrangler's rear diff. Took me a month plus. The actual gear replacement took less than a day but once something goes up on the lift I suddenly want to tighten/tweak/adjust/inspect everything under the car. Then, of course, there's the beers........

Thanks for noticing!

[Nighttrain]

Shrine you and I have the same idea about projects. I think I spend more time thinking it threw and drinking beer than actually doing the work.

[TheShrine]

Here's the article from the "GREAT GARAGE MAKEOVERS" magazine. They featured the walls (OSB and Cedar), wainscoting and metal ceiling.

Look away you OSB haters! Look away!

[TheShrine]

Here's the article from "DREAM GARAGES and SHOPS". This magazine just hit the racks. They featured mostly topical pics of garage layout and shop. There are a few pics of the upstairs theater masquerading as an apartment included as well.

AGAIN, OSB haters look away!

[HOTFR8]

Congratulations on the article in the magazine.

[fullthrottle24]

Another garage journal celebrity is born. Congrats

[nocones]

How wide is the area where your lift is?
Also is that a proof of the article or did it actually go through editing without catching the highlighted notes to the graphic artist?

[Nighttrain]

You have done us Texas GJ'ers good! Congrats on the mags/

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by HOTFR8

Congratulations on the article in the magazine.

Originally Posted by fullthrottle24

Another garage journal celebrity is born. Congrats

Originally Posted by Nighttrain

You have done us Texas GJ'ers good! Congrats on the mags/

Thank you Sirs!

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by nocones

How wide is the area where your lift is?
Also is that a proof of the article or did it actually go through editing without catching the highlighted notes to the graphic artist?

The lift side of The Shrine is 23' wide, 30' long and 26' high.

What I posted was a proof. There were slight narrative and pic adjustments after this first run.

Good eye!

[HOTFR8]

Originally Posted by TheShrine

Thank you Sirs!

Many of us have been written up in magazines so it is good to see your place. I have always admired your design with that upstairs area.

[Scoutman]

My wife picked me up a copy of the Dream Garages and Shops this weekend and while I was thumbing through it I thought "hey I recognize that shop"

Congrats on the article. This is still one of my top 10 favorite builds on here. Thanks for posting the dimensions of the high bay. Some day I want to add a similar sized lift bay onto the side of my 3 car.

[TheShrine]

Picked up some old GM hub caps today

[Grizz1963]

As always..... Awesome.

[J-man67]

PERFECTION! I love the layout...it flows well. I could see myself getting a lot done in there...and beers!

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by Grizz1963

As always..... Awesome.

Originally Posted by J-man67

PERFECTION! I love the layout...it flows well. I could see myself getting a lot done in there...and beers!

Thanks guys...I enjoy it!

[TheShrine]

04silvy
Junior Member

Join Date: Sep 2011
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Default Question for you
I first want to start out by saying that i love the garage. Your garage truly is amazing and still very work friendly. I have a question for you about your garage door with the angled tracks. I have a silmilar setup in my garage to clear my 4 post lift. I just cut the tracks on mine to a 45 and cleared perfect. My door originally came with extension springs and i just stretched them a little farther and used a pair of channel locks to keep the door up when pulling in and out. (I dont use this door every day). I was given a torsion sping off of a door that was the same size and similar weight. I tried to tighten the spring back up to where it was but it broke in the process. Now im on the hunt for a new spring. I read in another post that you just added a second spring to your setup and it worked fine. Does the door stay up by itself? How easy does it open? Also how did you know what spring to add? Did you just add the same spring you already had or add a lighter one. I looked at one of the pictures on your "finishing of the shrine" and i couldnt tell if there was one or two springs there. Sorry for the long winded Pm but im just a little lost on how to figure out what spring or springs i need. I can take all the measurements and weigh the door just need to know who to look to for parts.

04silvy, look at the pictures below. Your question has been asked before. It was beginners luck. I picked the rails off the shelf based on my roof's angle and asked for a spring double the strength/size of the one my door called for. I installed it, adjusted the tension to hold door in the full up position and that was it. I have openers and have no need to use clamps or other assistance to maintain a full open position.





You can see from these pics that a full open position is easily maintained.





I hope this helps. Let me know if I can be of further assistance....and thanks for the compliments....and yes, it is very "work friendly" for what I do.

[04silvy]

Thank you so much for your very detailed reply. I had thought about posting my question to this thread just in case others needed help with a similar issue...but didnt want to "muck" up your thread. I will probably just end up doing the same and get a much stronger spring and adjust it from there. I plan on running an opener as well.

One last question for you. If you didnt have the opener would the door stay up or close all of the way? Or does your opener do some of the work? With the amount that I will use mine I'm sure i will be fine if there is a litte extra stress on the opener when going up or down. Thanks again and have a good one.

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by 04silvy

Thank you so much for your very detailed reply. I had thought about posting my question to this thread just in case others needed help with a similar issue...but didnt want to "muck" up your thread. I will probably just end up doing the same and get a much stronger spring and adjust it from there. I plan on running an opener as well.

One last question for you. If you didnt have the opener would the door stay up or close all of the way? Or does your opener do some of the work? With the amount that I will use mine I'm sure i will be fine if there is a litte extra stress on the opener when going up or down. Thanks again and have a good one.

Again, "beginners luck", both my doors will open with a simple tug and remain fully open without the assistance of the opener.

I'll go out today and take specific pics of the 2 different springs I used so you'll have a reference. It's been a couple of years and remember no great difficulty BUT the procedure is dangerous and can cause some pain if care isn't taken!! Be extremely careful!

[vr4joe]

Wow, just wow! Read your whole thread and I am amazed at your garage setup. Its the perfect size and very efficient. This is very inspiring to me ( 26 year old car nut and architect ) to work hard to be able to build something like this for myself. I probably would never leave the garage!

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by vr4joe

Wow, just wow! Read your whole thread and I am amazed at your garage setup. Its the perfect size and very efficient. This is very inspiring to me ( 26 year old car nut and architect ) to work hard to be able to build something like this for myself. I probably would never leave the garage!

Thanks vr4joe. Your kind words are appreciated. The Shrine is a unique space and it is a good thing to know that it inspires others.

Thanks again!

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by 04silvy

Thank you so much for your very detailed reply. I had thought about posting my question to this thread just in case others needed help with a similar issue...but didnt want to "muck" up your thread. I will probably just end up doing the same and get a much stronger spring and adjust it from there. I plan on running an opener as well.

One last question for you. If you didnt have the opener would the door stay up or close all of the way? Or does your opener do some of the work? With the amount that I will use mine I'm sure i will be fine if there is a litte extra stress on the opener when going up or down. Thanks again and have a good one.

04 silvy,
Here are the pics......

This is the door and spring w/ the flat ceiling>>


And this is the door and spring w/ the vaulted ceiling>>>


There is a significant difference in the size of the 2 springs.

Hope this helps!

[TheShrine]

The Shrine suffered some wind damage.



I thought it was going to be simple fix but there seems to be significant hail damage I didn't know about. Looks like I'll be get'n a new roof!

[mwbailey]

Hello "Shriner", Sorry about the hail damage but might be OK if insurance covers it.

Thanks, also, for private message, but as you suggested, here's a question on the Forum: Is there any (if so, how much?) insulation between the work area and the upstairs loft?

[Omphaloskeptic]

Dang, too bad about the hail damage! Are you going with the same type of roof material, or is there a better solution on the market? I wonder if the insurance company has any recommendations considering it would be in their best interest to pay you to get a better product so they don't have to cough up the cash after the next hail storm? How big were those hail stones anyway? Even if you have to pay extra out of pocket to have a better product installed, the insurance company might give you a break on your premium and/or deductible; besides, it is 'THE SHRINE' after all! lol

[Bricen18]

What kind of dog is the blue guy??? he's cool!! Amazing garage also!!

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by mwbailey

Hello "Shriner", Sorry about the hail damage but might be OK if insurance covers it.

Thanks, also, for private message, but as you suggested, here's a question on the Forum: Is there any (if so, how much?) insulation between the work area and the upstairs loft?

Sorry about the delay but this one got by me mwbailey.

There is insulation between the levels to reduce noise levels only. There is an upper and lower AC/Heat unit and the entire structure is insulated so temp control is not an issue.

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by Omphaloskeptic

Dang, too bad about the hail damage! Are you going with the same type of roof material, or is there a better solution on the market? I wonder if the insurance company has any recommendations considering it would be in their best interest to pay you to get a better product so they don't have to cough up the cash after the next hail storm? How big were those hail stones anyway? Even if you have to pay extra out of pocket to have a better product installed, the insurance company might give you a break on your premium and/or deductible; besides, it is 'THE SHRINE' after all! lol

It's a funny story....I was sick w/ the "Cedar Fever" and hadn't gone out to The Shrine for several days. A neighbor, out for a walk in the hills, actually called me about see'n the damage. We had a really bad wind storm a few days earlier. When I went out to look at it I saw shingles scattered about and the "hole" in the roof. It was about 8 shingles total so I knew it wasn't go'n to be an insurance job. I called 3 roofers to get quotes and all 3 mentioned "hail damage" was my big problem....not just a few missing shingles. Apparently, on July 13, 2012 there was a "recorded Hill Country hail storm" that I was unaware of. We have 365 days to report damage sooo...The Shrine's get'n a new roof and the main house as well!

I've considered a tin roof like most of my neighbors but everyone has pings in their roofs from hail damage so I'm in consideration mode. The insurance company could care less what I do. A check showed up for the 2 roofs....more than would be needed to replace them....no questions asked! The kicker is...I've got 365 days to make the repairs...I can cash the check anytime!

Geeez, either they needle you to death on the simplest items or they throw money w/ abandon.

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by Bricen18

What kind of dog is the blue guy??? he's cool!! Amazing garage also!!

That would be my Great Dane, "Thor" God of Thunder.





And Haley Jo "The Black" Smith, a Great Dane as well. They are both Service Dogs!





Thanks for the garage bump as well!

[madoc1]

understand about the roof. it comes with the territory i think. would you tell who carries your insurance? i use germania and when i had hail damage they held the check (it was over 10k) until the work was done.

[TheShrine]

Originally Posted by madoc1

understand about the roof. it comes with the territory i think. would you tell who carries your insurance? i use germania and when i had hail damage they held the check (it was over 10k) until the work was done.

That's interesting.........mine is Germania as well.....almost 20K.....? They are "holding a depreciation fee" until the work is done but that is a few hundred dollars.

Dunno??

[madoc1]

thx. i like germania and had no problem with them it about 3 yrs. ago, so i guess policies change.