INCREDIBLE Tip-over JIG!!!

[e-tek]

Saw this Incredible "Tip Over" Jig in the Mustangs thread. All credit to KAILUAZ!!!!

I was going to make a rotiserrie here right away, but this looks to be just a good, takes up less space and must be 1/100th of the cost!!

[CamarosRus]

As someone who has a lot of time, effort and expense into building a real nice steel rotissiere, I must say that the above man certainly achieved a 90' roll over on the cheap....

[bluesman2a]

a rotissiere is like an engine hoist or an engine stand. when you need one you NEED one. when you don't you spend a lot of time tripping over it wondering why you spent all that money on one and/or time building it.

This looks like a solution to all those problems.

[Dragster Racer]

Well now that is pretty slick!

[ghnl]

Looks like overkill...

[create]

The owner of that actually posts on this board, he was showing it off in the "Whats in your garage thread".

Last page.

[e-tek]

Originally Posted by create

The owner of that actually posts on this board, he was showing it off in the "Whats in your garage thread".

Last page.

Like...uuuh...I know - that's why I credited him.... I also PM'd him some questions about it....

[bmwpower]

Cool deal. Any disadvantage that you can think of?
Stable enough?
Is it a one made operation?

[NUTTSGT]

He posts over at the Corral.net and the design has been copied atleast once. A freind of mine built one like that and it worked great for him. While he had it up on it's side, his dad wanted him to hook the cherry picker to it as extra precaution. It can be flipped over by person too.

[2drx4]

Interesting. I don't think I'd trust it for my chassis, I think it's a little heavier than a car.

[rsanter]

seems like a fairly bright idea to me
wont work for my convertable though

bob

[krooser]

Originally Posted by bmwpower

Cool deal. Any disadvantage that you can think of?
Stable enough?
Is it a one made operation?

termites...

[reedwesd]

I looked at this in the whats in you garage and thought is was really cool. I just want how big of a car you could do this with. I have a 64 impala wagon anyone think it would work

[CamarosRus]

I probably would have added the curved/rolling part to each side, so as to flip either way.

For blasting, painting, cutting, welding this enables a quicker, more complete job.........

[create]

I misread your original post, I thought you said "mustang forum". I didnt read that thread, so I saw it in the other one.

my bad.

Originally Posted by e-tek

Like...uuuh...I know - that's why I credited him.... I also PM'd him some questions about it....

[joeswamp]

Originally Posted by rsanter

seems like a fairly bright idea to me
wont work for my convertable though

bob

I'd bet this idea could be adapted to a convertible without that much effort -- just need to build some kind of truss and mount it to the floor.

[gorilla]

I've seen the same kind of roll over device advertised in British car mag's but made from round steel tubing. I would be most concerned about the "rollers" skewing apart and over stressing the uprights. It's not clear in the photo if their tied together end to end.

[e-tek]

I LOVE this because (a) it works, (b) I have that wood laying around and (c) it works!!!!

As for putting the corner on each side - that would just be in the way. When you want to roll it on the other side, just move the corners.

The only thing I'm unsure of is how that 2x6 is mounted to the roof panel....perhaps it's bolted to the B-pillar, but then I wonder of he drilled holes in the B-pillar to mount it to. Hasn't answered my PM yet.

My current project is a light little Datusn 240Z, so I'll definiltely be going this route!

[scooby074]

I remember seeing a similar jig at the Subaru? dealer except it was steel. It was a factory thing to show customers the underside of the vehicle. The design had enough leverage to roll over a complete car!! (engine trans wheels). The salesman said that the only thing they did was drain the fluids, for obvious reasons.

Cool to see one out of wood though. How hard would it be to roll a car over using that style rotisserie? Could you just push on the top edge of the roof?

Edit: found a link to what i think is the exact tool!! (or very close and a similar concept... its been a while) http://www.cjautos.org.uk/phdi/p1.ns...ocument&part=3

Looks easy enough to make.

[e-tek]

Found another link of guys who have made rotisseries and "tippers" of all sorts - some great ideas here.( The wooden one is still "free" though.... )

http://www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?

[NUTTSGT]

Originally Posted by e-tek

I LOVE this because (a) it works, (b) I have that wood laying around and (c) it works!!!!

As for putting the corner on each side - that would just be in the way. When you want to roll it on the other side, just move the corners.

The only thing I'm unsure of is how that 2x6 is mounted to the roof panel....perhaps it's bolted to the B-pillar, but then I wonder of he drilled holes in the B-pillar to mount it to. Hasn't answered my PM yet.

My current project is a light little Datusn 240Z, so I'll definiltely be going this route!

I believe theres a couple of brackets that fasten to the front seat shoulder belt mounts.

[herbet99]

Originally Posted by joeswamp

I'd bet this idea could be adapted to a convertible without that much effort -- just need to build some kind of truss and mount it to the floor.

I'm not sure you need the board bolted to the roof. I'm assuming it's there to stop the roll. The same thing could be accomplished by incorporating a stop at the roller itself.

[APEowner]

Sorry about the poor pictures but here's a technique I've used a several times. I start with clamping 2" square tubing vertically to the frame rails/wheel wells. I then slide some 2 x 4 tubing horizontally up against the bottom of the rails and weld it to the verticals. One end of these tubes needs to stick out past the car and the need to stick out the same distance. I'll sometimes weld directly to the car if I'm not comfortable with the way stuff sits. After the 2 x 4 tubes are secured to the car I'll weld a pair if tubes vertically on the ends of them to make the feet. I prefer 2 x 4 for this but it looks like I used 2 x 2 on this particular project. Once the feet are on I lower the foot side of the car to the ground and pick up the other side with the engine hoist. I run a tie down or two up to the ceiling for peace of mind but the whole setup is quite stable. For me the big advantage of this technique is that I don't have a big piece of equipment that I'm tripping over most of the time and only using every couple of years. When I'm done I cut the welds with the plasma cutter and put the steel back in the materials rack. I don't keep stock around just for this but obviously you could.

[Falcon67]

I like that. Don't trust the clamps, but that's just me LOL. Nice and simple and like you said, no big fancy piece of hardware laying around in the way until the next project.

Don't have it here in front of my, but I just bought 12' of 2x2 11 gauge tube and IIRC, it was running about 1.75/ft. And if you get permission to hunt the scrap pile at the recycler, you can some similar by the lb price. So a rig like that can be done fairly cheap.

[eborcim]

That would be pretty simple to scoot around with a caster on each horizontal too.

[andersen24]

Originally Posted by krooser

termites...

C L A S S I C !!!!!!

[babzog]

Originally Posted by ghnl

Looks like overkill...

Is that certified?

Funny thing is, I used to have a neighbour who did stuff like that. He'd take a chain, wrap it over the car and underneath, hooking on to whatever was solid. Then, pull it over with the tractor and get to work.

[Curt_pnw]

A lot of Mk1 vw guys use that wooden kind for their builds.






Another is to use to engine stands.




another design
http://www.harwoodperformance.bizlan...itorial_20.htm

[nonhog]

Great stuff ! here is one from a book I have.

[KAILUAZ]

Sorry for the late reply, I don't come over here as much as I should. I'll subscribe to this thread for email updates in case anyone has a question.

A lot of Mk1 vw guys use that wooden kind for their builds.

That green Golf is exactly where I got the idea. I'm not smart enough to think of something so simple myself. I just used a little more wood since the Mustang is a bit more heavy. Many people may cringe when they see wood bolted to a car. I grew up building skateboard ramps so I know how strong wood can be if you do it correctly.
For the top I used the upper seatbelt holes with "L" brackets I bought at Lowes. I drilled it to accept the stock seatbelt bolt.
I can roll the car by myself with no problem. I've been grinding/sanding/cleaning the bottom and its very stable.
You can see all the pictures and my plans in this thread: http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/pr...ustang-17.html

[kbs2244]

I have seen the Brit ones advertised also.
They seem to have smaler cars over there.
But done right, I can see it working over here on American cars.
The only problem is the space it takes to roll it over.
A regular rotisserie stays in one place.

[jkherd]

good idea but the wood worries me, would be safer fabbed up in steel

[KAILUAZ]

Originally Posted by jkherd

good idea but the wood worries me, would be safer fabbed up in steel

It is plenty strong with the car stripped. Steel would be a overkill in this application and cost much more.

[caper150]

heres what mine looks like just finished it this weekend.

[nonhog]

Originally Posted by caper150

heres what mine looks like just finished it this weekend.

Looks good, but what is that on it ? More pics !

[Zoobee]

Originally Posted by e-tek

I LOVE this because (a) it works, (b) I have that wood laying around and (c) it works!!!!

My current project is a light little Datusn 240Z, so I'll definiltely be going this route!

THE perfect car for this application. Thanks for posting, because I will be going this route for my 260z this spring.

[caper150]

Originally Posted by nonhog

Looks good, but what is that on it ? More pics !

65 Galaxie 4 door, no light weight thats for sure, but no problem tipping it over by myself.

to see more pics heres post i have on the car.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=29564

[KAILUAZ]

I made a video of the Rolltisserie with our new camera. Cheesy I know, but it shows how easy it is to roll.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li1nB2lFMQ8

[jimmy987]

Not as easy to flip as the small cars but it works none the less.

[thingadmin]

I have been thinking about making something to roll my bus over with. I found this on another site I go to.

[hpw]

Why couldn't you take this a step further and use a whole sheet of ply wood cut on a curve and be able to completely roll it on its top?

[ar2stp48]

hpw, I have considered the same concept to build one of these for my FJ40 Landcruiser. The idea will work IF the quarter circle is increased to a half cirlcle, and -most important- the attachment is midway of the height of the shell to be rotated. This would be a serious problem with most cars; the mounting points on most of the cars is low on the car. With my project, the top and windshield frame are removed. This presents a short height to rotate, and easy to reach the center for mounting

[e-tek]

Originally Posted by hpw

Why couldn't you take this a step further and use a whole sheet of ply wood cut on a curve and be able to completely roll it on its top?

You "could" if you had the right oval shape to clear the differences in heights, but really, there's no point to rolling any vehicle right upside down - 'cause then you are just working on the side, which was upright a minute prior

You really only need a quarter rev, so as to gain access to the underside - which will be in front of you once tipped.

[e-tek]

Originally Posted by KAILUAZ

I made a video of the Rolltisserie with our new camera. Cheesy I know, but it shows how easy it is to roll.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li1nB2lFMQ8

Thanks for the vid - it's AWESOME!

Originally Posted by Zoobee

THE perfect car for this application. Thanks for posting, because I will be going this route for my 260z this spring.

Well boys, not really sure WHY now, but I ended up building a full rotisserie. I think I wanted to weld, fab, use casters and be able to roll it in one spot...

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=69042

[dankicksass]

Wood is a valued asset in the garage. I like your rollover jigs. This is my I-hate-FWD engine/trans support.

[gtivr4]

I did it a LOT cheaper



Might not have been so nice to the body though

[TLGriff]

I'm a big fan of cradles over rotisseries. They are cheap, functional and best of all, disposable. No need to trip over them until the next project car rolls around. Here is one I threw together while working on my Chevelle.





I added casters so it could be rolled around as needed. This one is easily attached to the bumper mounts in back and the firewall in front. It can't be tipped by one man like some, but just add some beer and the job will get done.

Tom

[tinbender 66]

Great ideas and links!! I've got a '66 Nova that needs to tip over.

[lowfastbus]

Here is my version for rolling over a 911...
Made off scrap I beams and mounts in original suspension mounts.

[tuner4life]

Great. Now after reading this thread I want to go and make something like this and then just roll my cars on their side just for the hell of it.

Hmmm.....

[ClassicGMJunkie]

I used a couple Harbor Fright engine stands for the VW pan, then for the body. I can swap out the whole front apron to go old school and it doesn't get in the way. These would work smoother if I had cut and re-welded the stands at a fully 90* upright instead of how they lean back a little.

the impala in the back however, its up on HF furniture dollies and cinderblocks and doubled up 2x4s... that was fun to do alone!

here's a company that makes very competitively priced rotisseries and tip over jigs
http://accessiblesystems.com/
worth a look if you want a nice metal one to last forever...

[hpw]

Originally Posted by dankicksass

Wood is a valued asset in the garage.

Yes sir I would say so

[xrdad]

Originally Posted by rsanter

seems like a fairly bright idea to me
wont work for my convertable though

bob

Following the thread and links with great interest.. anybody have a suggestion whether this wood version could be used (or modified to use) on a del Sol?

The floor is pretty decent and not much work to do.. most of the rust is in the 1/4 and A pillar/window frame. But getting it up on it's side would sure make it easier. I also doubt there's much weight once it gets gutted.

[Trey T]

LoL. I'm pretty sure you can. The main idea is already there.

Originally Posted by rsanter

seems like a fairly bright idea to me
wont work for my convertable though

bob

[b-body-bob]

I remember seeing photos of people with their cars rolled over on mattresses, no special jig required just some help to roll it over. My luck I'd do something like that and welding or grinding sparks would light the mattresses on fire.

[e-tek]

Originally Posted by gtivr4

I did it a LOT cheaper

FAIL!!!!


A lot of great ideas here. The beauty is that now most people know you don't need to spend $1200 on a rotisserie. Wether you build your own "pro-model" like I did here, or you put one together with a couple engine stands, or go the money AND space-saving route of the wooden tip-over jig (which I can also see myslef using), they all work and are so much better than lying on your back to get it done.

[GarageEnvy]

Boat builders have used the wood design shown by the OP for decades. Of course, boat builders have also been known to flip a hull onto a stack of old mattresses too. At one point I built a rotisserie for an old mini I was working on. Then I discovered my wife and I could flip the shell by hand, no problem.

[nonhog]

Originally Posted by GarageEnvy

Then I discovered my wife and I could flip the shell by hand, no problem.

Instead of my wife I use a chain and my truck. Next time I'll build a jig.
(parts car headed to China)