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Old 10-12-2009, 05:55 PM   #1
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Here are the current Jacks I own.





The small one is a no-name Chaiwanese type I had to buy to get a job done.... Has done pretty well.

The medium sized orange one is the STRONGARM Jack I got with a bunch of tools I bought.... This particular one was made in Canada.... Now they sell the exact copy of it at HF, now made by some Chinese company.... I had to get the handle from HF because they were the same ones Strongarm was replacing them with.







The Blue one is my new pride and joy... The Lincoln (Sans Rear wheels) until Hiball hooks me up.

And finally, the large Orange one is an HF model. Funny how it is almost the same size as the Lincoln but is "rated" at 2.5 T.

I used this type one year of light use... Had in in storage and then it $#it the bed. Luckily I had got the extended warranty on it and they just replaced it. So my advice is that if you buy this type from HF... Get the replacement policy, you will probably need it (Same goes for their Scissor type transmission jack)





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Here is a few of mine, I have aproximately 100 floor jacks on the floor and would venture to guess around 250-300 Bottle jacks. These are just some i had on my computer. I suppose untill i sell a jack to someone, There all mine.

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Walker Model 882, 2 ton 1 of Walker first designed hydraulic jacks. Still the same similar design used in the Hein Werner badged Long frame 2 tons today. 65+ years and still a quality product. Notice all the fancy frame artwork, Back then Blackhawk was designing similar jacks, making them look like cars with headlights etc. 87lbs of USA Craftmenship.



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Lincoln 4Ton 93657, Same jack as Blacknwhitepit's minus the cover for the pic, One of my favorites. 181lbs of Made in the USA.



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Same jack as above but with the older double walled frame, I believe this one was badged Walker before the lincoln buy out. 181lbs of MADE IN THE USA



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BIG MOMMA, 400lbs of Good ole MADE IN THE USA Pure Iron, This 10 ton beast beggs to lift 15 ton. It was manufactured by Ausco but uses a HeinWerner Unit with a few mods.



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Hein Werner X10 Ten ton Monster, tipping the scale also around 400lbs. MADE IN THE USA



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Another of my favorites, 10 ton Weaver w75. Simple design all welded Frame, Foot pump. 356lbs of MADE IN THE USA
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Here is a few of mine, I have approximately 100 floor jacks on the floor and would venture to guess around 250-300 Bottle jacks.
Something about this statement we find fully believable
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Here is the jack I just bought off E-bay. Now to try and figure out who made it. I think I did ok for $28 and fuel to go get it $30. What do you folks think? The tag can not be read. It is about 4' long and 200#s if that helps ID it. Thanks
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@Hiball:
nice collection !! Now show us your other 94 jacks !
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Here is the jack I just bought off E-bay. Now to try and figure out who made it. I think I did ok for $28 and fuel to go get it $30. What do you folks think? The tag can not be read. It is about 4' long and 200#s if that helps ID it. Thanks
I believe its a Very,very,very Early Walker Jack. Maybe The first design. I seen it on ebay but it was too far away from me. Walker made a 3 ton jack early in its history and it didnt go over well for some reason, Ive yet to see one but something told me when i seen that jack on ebay that was what i was looking at. Nice find.
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I believe its a Very,very,very Early Walker Jack. Maybe The first design. I seen it on ebay but it was too far away from me. Walker made a 3 ton jack early in its history and it didnt go over well for some reason, Ive yet to see one but something told me when i seen that jack on ebay that was what i was looking at. Nice find.
My first thought was Blackhawk but I have no idea. It does look to be an early type jack witht he "fancy" wheel brackets. unfortunately the tag is damaged and I cant get any info off it. Thank you for your suggestion.
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found this pic:

AC DK20HLQ 2 ton jack vs. standard 2 ton jack

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LoL, Thats not a standard jack next to your AC, thats a compact ie:"In case of emergency use me" jack.
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Old 10-14-2009, 05:56 PM   #11
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I have one like that! Except mine is red, branded Sealey and is the cheaper version. It's a good jack though, low entry, high lift and very solid. I like the long chassis too.

Best pic i have of it, holding up the gearbox in my friends W123 Mercedes-Benz:

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Old 10-14-2009, 06:18 PM   #12
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Mine from a previous post. A China made NAPA unit, good size and works well, real solid. A blackhawk manufactured Craftsman from the early '70's. Its red now, came new as a metallic green and white, I bought it new. Had a hydraulic shop rebuild it once due to leaking down, never did quit but doesn't leak much. Might try to rebuild it my self again.

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Elroy's 1978 Hein Werner Model WS is on the right
Jim's 1948 Model OS on the left

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Found this at a car show:

Looks like the AC and Sealey 2200HL version....




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edit: The Sealey 1,3 ton 1301HL high lift model says made in denmark
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a couple 20 ton bottle jacks and the torin big red floor jack from costco.
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My first thought was Blackhawk but I have no idea. It does look to be an early type jack witht he "fancy" wheel brackets. unfortunately the tag is damaged and I cant get any info off it. Thank you for your suggestion.
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My reasoning on your jack being a walker.
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2.5 ton hf long frame, works like a champ. I've had it going on 7 years now, dad had one around 20 years old, was still going when the farm was sold. It comes with seals, so no big deal if it needs rebuilt.

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Man, LOVING those blue and yellow 4 ton Lincoln long frames!!!
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My reasoning on your jack being a walker.
Here is a pic of the bottom side at the lever. I believe this is what you was refering to in your picture.
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Picture didn't load on last post. Trying this again.

I have another jack that has the same 3 position adjuster for the handle. Is this Walker specific or did anyone else make them like that? I was told that other jack was a blackhawk but have no idea anymore. Thanks for your input.
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I had to get an AC with an even lower profile to fit my car...
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I have another jack that has the same 3 position adjuster for the handle. Is this Walker specific or did anyone else make them like that? I was told that other jack was a blackhawk but have no idea anymore. Thanks for your input.
No there are many multi-handle position jacks but they are made differently, The handle position bracket sitting inside the fork of the handle screams Walker, Generally both pumps drive off the left side via 1 rod but i still think that is a very early Walker. Maybe the First Hydraulic design, I will forward some pics to my old timer buddies and see if we can figure it out. The fast/pressure side pumps are identical to the new ones except for there connection to the handle. Very interesting Thanks for sharing.
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My working set. Picked them all up from Ultgar back in '03/04 and soo glad I went all the way back then. The low profile is so nice to have when working with lowered cars and the long reach is great for getting all the way to the front or rear subframe to lift certain cars all on one pass.



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Alright, here are my jacks, arranged as a comparison picture - new school vs. old school.

The smallest one is a Chinese-made "Pro-Lift." It can lift the Chevy but doesn't sound very happy doing it.

The next one over is a "Hy-Lift" jack from the 70s or 80s. Like the Pro-Lift it is nominally rated for 2 tons.

The big blue one is a Walker 882 from long, long ago. This too is a "2 ton" jack. I overfilled it and it's leaking at the moment, but it feels much, much stronger than the Pro-Lift. Well, looking at them, I guess that's not a huge surprise!

The BIG red one is a Walker 775 - to give you an idea of what Walker considered a 3 ton jack at the time. The frame isn't quite straight but it works wonderfully. I do wonder what on earth it must have been lifting, to tweak the frame!
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Alright, here are my jacks, arranged as a comparison picture - new school vs. old school.

The smallest one is a Chinese-made "Pro-Lift." It can lift the Chevy but doesn't sound very happy doing it.

The next one over is a "Hy-Lift" jack from the 70s or 80s. Like the Pro-Lift it is nominally rated for 2 tons.

The big blue one is a Walker 882 from long, long ago. This too is a "2 ton" jack. I overfilled it and it's leaking at the moment, but it feels much, much stronger than the Pro-Lift. Well, looking at them, I guess that's not a huge surprise!

The BIG red one is a Walker 775 - to give you an idea of what Walker considered a 3 ton jack at the time. The frame isn't quite straight but it works wonderfully. I do wonder what on earth it must have been lifting, to tweak the frame!
Thanks for showing your jacks, Ive never seen a Walker 775. I knew they made some 3 ton long jacks but dont have any breakdowns or knowledge of them. Its obvious by that design it was early in there history, That frame design looks identical to there first mechanical jack designs.
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this one followed me home today.

I can read "Intermarket" and 4100 KG, but not the brand.

any ideas what it might be?

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this one followed me home today.

I can read "Intermarket" and 4100 KG, but not the brand.

any ideas what it might be?

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AH!! a good one then!!


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Here is my old Walker jack.
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30 lb portable jack - 1.8 tons. Range is approx 4.5" to 11.6" . Small footprint....has potential as a good track jack.

Not for high lifting or for use with SUV's or trucks. Made in China (where else???) and brought in by Esco. Not a bad jack for $275.

Some pictures below of the jack being used on a Mercedes E-class. These are popular in Europe but I haven't seen any marketed for cars here in the states yet.

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I've only ever seen airbag jacks used for trucks and busses over here..
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It looks like its maxed out on height in your picture, Is the vehicle off the ground far enough to take the wheel off?
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It looks like it's just off the ground. My jacks are 8cm entry. I doubt the airbag offers much of an advantage.
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Nothing personal, but that seems like a lot of money for something that looks like it barely lifts something up... and a limited purpose for only certain vehicles.

What is the advantage?

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It looks like its maxed out on height in your picture, Is the vehicle off the ground far enough to take the wheel off?
Thanks for the feedback guys....Esco sent me one to evaluate and it does have enough lift to get the wheel of the ground for changing tires. Unfortunately, it doesn't lift the car high enough for me to use their flattop jackstands. The major advantage is the low eight and small footprint...not something that's all that important in a home or commercial garage.

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Just bought this red jack over the weekend for $70. It is a 2 tons. It is made in Japan so I assume it must be a good jack. Anybody know anything about it. Ignore the POS Crapsman jack in the background.
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Just bought this red jack over the weekend for $70. It is a 2 tons. It is made in Japan so I assume it must be a good jack. Anybody know anything about it. Ignore the POS Crapsman jack in the background.
Worked on a couple but dont know much about them, Seemed like a solid Hydraulic system not like your typical Oring/backup imported junk.
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Worked on a couple but dont know much about them, Seemed like a solid Hydraulic system not like your typical Oring/backup imported junk.
What type of seal does a high quality hydraulic jack use (as compare to oring for low quality jack)?
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What type of seal does a high quality hydraulic jack use (as compare to oring for low quality jack)?
Here is a Prime example of difference between a "Quality" Pump sealing system that will last Years, compared to your run of the mill import "sloppy" Pump sealing systems. On one side you have a U-cup pump cup and on the other your side typical oring+backup, Dont get me wrong a backup is like steroids to a Oring but you still have limited sealing surface. On another note, I have perfect Taiwan typical 2 ton jack and im gonna do a side by side teardown between it and a lincoln 2 ton to show the differences and also help you guys who possibly want to update your taiwan jack to New or better than new condition.

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Here is what i have hangin around the shop. The last one, well its not really a jack but its one of 6 "crank stands" I built
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And a couple more
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My old Chinese 3 ton has certainly seen it's better days. A slight bend, broken lifting dowel, missing gear teeth, slow leak, wheel-non-spinning, but still works, I guess. Which leads to being in the market for a new one:

AC DK20HLQ, now there's something I like. Wow, are they spendy though....may have to wait a while, lol.
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2.5 ton hf long frame, works like a champ. I've had it going on 7 years now, dad had one around 20 years old, was still going when the farm was sold. It comes with seals, so no big deal if it needs rebuilt.

+1, My HF, long, high lift jack is going on a decade. It has out lasted many 'better" jacks, and I have used it hard. I noticed HF does not have then online anymore, anyone know what happened with that? I finally had to use the rebuild kit, a few months ago, the jack owes me nothing. After the rebuild, it works like new again.
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How much one would pay for a used (older model) Hein Werner 10 tons long frame floor jack? I am thinking of getting one.
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How much one would pay for a used (older model) Hein Werner 10 tons long frame floor jack? I am thinking of getting one.
I have bought/rebuilt many over the years. Yes a replacement Hein werner 10 ton costs well over 2k new, I have bought many at government sales for around 1oo bucks, and have sold many rebuilt ones for $700. Whatever you give for it plan on adding around $100 bucks to get a complete kit depending on the X10 serial number it could be less.
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Hiball.....Thanks for your help. Are special tools required to service the X10? I saw several X10 on craiglist, but can't decide to buy it yet.
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Hiball.....Thanks for your help. Are special tools required to service the X10? I saw several X10 on craiglist, but can't decide to buy it yet.
Pretty straight forward, Vise, PipeWrench, Hand Impact driver to loosen the Valves, Pick set, Snap ring pliers. The main problem with those jacks is the Center Shaft that goes thru the Unit and Frame, If it hasnt been maintained, Greased they can get bound in there and then the fun starts. Its not exactly easy to get a 400lb jack into your press.
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A co-worker inherited this jack from his father. He has asked Elroy to look it over. It functions OK but it bleeds down slowly under heavy load and the release valve is hard to turn.

Going to pull it down and at least put a kit in it if available. That's were Hiball comes in. Steve, please advise on kit availability













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Well First off as you probably knew that is Overseas designed jack, In all my years i have never seen a taiwan jack that Milwaukee marketed, Other companies have done it, Lincoln, hein werner but to my knowledge Never milwaukee. Im in KC right now but when i get home ill check my book and cross reference that tag # and see if we can decide if that sticker was applied or original. You wont find a kit for that jack but its nothing a Mic cant take care of, When you tear it down and do a little measuring i can be of more assistance.
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Up date and a good lesson for others

So Elroy was asked to look at this jack.



It would work in that it would fully rise but it wouldn't take a load. That's to say, you could pump it up all the way just fine when not under a load. Roll it under a load and as soon at the saddle contacted the load you pump all night, until the cows came home and get nothing.

Elroy initially thought the ram seal was leaking. We were all staged to pull it down this week end. Got the work bench cleaned off and got out the most important tool available. Elroy's brain

What about the over load valve. Sure enough it was backed off. It was also a little low on oil. Bumped the valve full close then backed it off about a half turn. Dumped the reservoir and filled it up with fresh oil. That load is no problem now:



The lesson is: check the basic simple things first.
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if you are going to get an airbag jack, why not something like this an air x jack

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Product Features: Dual Pump Mechanism Which Reduces Handle Strokes Up to 50 Percent While Not Effecting Handle Effort
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Lol, which do ya trust more on their capacity rating?
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I have an old jack that needs some attention. I will get pics tomorrow and post. I did look at the Napa jacks and they looked good. I know they are chinese or Taiwanese jacks but is there any other capable jacks in the same price range that are from the USA?
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cornwell blue monster in this pick of my shop. i have quite a few old jacks at home that i got from my grandfather from his old service station, but i have no pics of them and they need rebuilt.
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Here's mine. I bought it new in '98 or '99. It's had a pretty good life at home in the garage along with the four jack stands I bought with it. The rusty castors tell the tale, LOL.
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I just checked and none of the SO jacks are made in the USA. Wow.....what a shame.
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NOPE. They still charge a arm and a leg though.
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NOPE. They still charge a arm and a leg though.
Yeah, it's too bad. Today, if I had to buy another new jack, I'd look at the Hein-Warner's. I think they're still U.S., right?

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I have been looking at getting a Hein Werner. I have a cman 3 ton that I don't care for and my neighbor borrows it a lot. So I think I will sell it to him and get a new HW 3 ton.

I will start saving my pennies
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I have been looking at getting a Hein Werner. I have a cman 3 ton that I don't care for and my neighbor borrows it a lot. So I think I will sell it to him and get a new HW 3 ton.

I will start saving my pennies
I've got a Craftsman too. I didn't bother taking a pic of it. I bet I haven't used it in five years. It still works fine going up, it's the coming down that's scary!
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Here's mine, just got it today from my Great Uncle. He was a mechanic from the 50's into the early 60's before becoming a private jet pilot. I'm betting this jack saw daily use up until he changed careers and occasional use from then till now.
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Here's mine,....... I'm betting this jack saw daily use up until he changed careers and occasional use from then till now.
That is a very clean little jack. Seeing that original paint in a treat. Thank you

Your pictures are great. If you would kindly post additional views of the ID tag we would much appreciate it. We need the art work to duplicate. Thanks
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That is a very clean little jack. Seeing that original paint in a treat. Thank you

Your pictures are great. If you would kindly post additional views of the ID tag we would much appreciate it. We need the art work to duplicate. Thanks
You're welcome. Here are some more pics. I'll have to play around with my camera and see if I can get a sharper pic for you.

The O' BOY was getting lonely in its new garage so I found a pair of Hein Werner jack stands on Craigslist. I picked them up this morning.
I have a few questions:
  • Is it normal for the handle not to contact the pump until its about half way down (see photos)?
  • To check or fill the fluid, tip the jack so the fill plug is facing up, correct?
  • Should the fluid be even with the bottom thread of the fill plug hole?

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Thank you kindly for the additional photos of the ID tag

May Elroy please offer these comments to your questions about the Hein-Werner O'Boy:

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Yes. It is normal and you're fully correct. The roller in the handle only contacts the pump plunger when "half way down". You'll also note that Hein Werners are one of the very few jacks that allow tool free removal of the handle assembly from the jack body. A very nice feature in Elroy's book.

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  • To check or fill the fluid, tip the jack so the fill plug is facing up, correct?
  • To add oil to your Hein-Werner it is in deed easier if you stand the jack up on end. With the load saddle down, remove the 1/4"-28 round head machine screw that is located under the corrugated sheet metal hood to expose the fill passage.

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Short answer; yes.

Actually Elroy has found that the easiest way is to slightly over fill the reservoir while you have the jack in the fill position (nose down). Leave the fill plug removed and set the jack back down in standard position and let the excess run out. Reinstall the plug after the majority of the excess fill oil has run out. These cylinders are fully sealed and use the air space above the oil reservoir as a receiver for the displaced oil from above the piston as the jack is extended. Too much oil and you run into a solid condition before the cylinder is fully extended. Too little oil and you'll suck air and prevent the cylinder from fully extending. They're kind of a bitch to get filled properly because you need just the right amount of oil and the oil is difficult to get into the reservoir because of the long fill passage.

For additional detailed information on the 1-1/4 ton Hein-Werner O'Boy jack series, see this older thread here at the Garage Journal:

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Just thought I'd show off my recent find. A Joyce jack from my grandfather's garage.
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My recently purchased Milwaukee Model 40, haven't even broken it in yet..





My dogs checking out the new delivery.



This jack is pretty rugged, I don't think I'll be wearing it out any time soon.









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^ Top shelf there man... very nice jack and stand set.
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Congrats.. Im sure you will get a lifetimes worth of use out of that unit.
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very nice ! Looks very sturdy !
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That is a nice looking jack. BTW, Milwaukee doesn't offer the stands or bottle jacks that are on their website anymore.
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Where did you get the Milwaukee from ? Off the website?

Do you mind me asking the price?

I'm looking into a new jack myself and info would be helpful.
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I can't wait to actually use this floor jack. I've got plenty of things that I should be doing with it. It's just been so friggin cold lately that I'm having a hard time getting motivated to work outside.

I looked at an awful lot of lesser quality equipment before I decided on this Milwaukee unit. My last jack was an old Hein Werner unit that gave me faultless service. I'm quite sure that the guy I sold it to many moons ago is still using it.

Through my own research I've found that Hein Werner floors jacks these days are of a totally different design and to me, don't appear to be as durable as my old unit. They are still manufactured here in the U.S. but now owned by a Chinese company.

When I unpackaged the jack I was completely blown away by how rugged and sturdy this thing is. It's not a light weight, I believe 140 lbs but it seems to move around rather smoothly, maybe because of the type of wheels and casters used.

My only beef with this jack is the upper surface finish of the lifting arm casting, if you look close in the pictures you can see some dimples and irregularities in the casting itself. I don't think it affects the integrity of the lifting arm, but for the money you pay a nicer finish on this part should be expected.

byr@n,

I looked around at a few websites and then called Milwaukee Hydraulics direct. They gave the best deal. I was quoted a price for the Model 40 that was very close to what you see a Model 20 advertised for on most websites. I dealt with a very professional and knowledgeable lady named Caroline. Great service from purchase to delivery. Good luck with whatever you choose.
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Through my own research I've found that Hein Werner floors jacks these days are of a totally different design and to me, don't appear to be as durable as my old unit. They are still manufactured here in the U.S. but now owned by a Chinese company. .
The currenty Hein werner line is actually the Previous Walker/Lincoln design and when Lincoln sold out to hein werner, Hein werner canned 60 years of there heritage to use the Walker/Lincoln design. Why? Because it was superior, The Current Hein werner lineup still uses the Lincoln model numbers and now put a HW in front (HW93642). Now for a little history on the Walker/Lincoln hydraulic units, they have had only cosmetic changes over the years including Movement of the fill plug and type of tank nut packing, going from packing to a quad ring. Thats it... Those HW jacks still use 60+ years of American ingenuity.





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I looked around at a few websites and then called Milwaukee Hydraulics direct. They gave the best deal. I was quoted a price for the Model 40 that was very close to what you see a Model 20 advertised for on most websites. I dealt with a very professional and knowledgeable lady named Caroline. Great service from purchase to delivery. Good luck with whatever you choose.
Caroline is a very informative person and takes pride in explaining why Milwaukee jacks are superior to your everyday run of the mill jacks. I had spoke to her a couple weeks ago regarding some pricing of there jacks along with kit pricing. She informed me that currently there was a 10% discount on there jacks but it was gonna run out later this month and if memory recalls the 4 ton model was roughly $450 + shipping before the discount, The 2 ton model was about a 100 less. I dont have my paper in front of me so dont quote me but if anybody is interested you can call them and they will point you in the right direction. I believe that discount was only good thru them, not there distributors.
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Thanks guys. Looks like I will have to call.

Question is HW or MIlwaukee? Does one have a superior design over the other?
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As I am not a floor jack expert and used my past experience and comparisons of my older Hein Werner unit as a basis of my purchasing decision. I have come to the conclusion that the Milwaukee design is definitely superior to the older Hein Werner design.

This website certainly implies that the Milwaukee unit is superior:

http://www.jackxchange.com/catalog/p...modelnumber=40


Had I known the current history of the new Hein Werner adopted Lincoln/Walker design I may have given them a closer look. Without knowing the details, outward appearances suggest this newer old-adopted design looks eerily similar to what most of the Chinese units are using. Maybe they know how to knock-off a good thing when they see it.

The Milwaukee unit will cost you more. These days with of our own people struggling for work and just putting food on the table and discovering that the Milwaukee unit is manufactured in the U.S. by a U.S. company made this a personal no-brainer choice for me.

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Thanks guys. Looks like I will have to call.

Question is HW or MIlwaukee? Does one have a superior design over the other?
You cant go wrong with purchasing either of two brands, They both use time tested hydraulic systems.

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As I am not a floor jack expert and used my past experience and comparisons of my older Hein Werner unit as a basis of my purchasing decision. I have come to the conclusion that the Milwaukee design is definitely superior to the older Hein Werner design.

This website certainly implies that the Milwaukee unit is superior:

http://www.jackxchange.com/catalog/p...modelnumber=40
You made a great choice in buying your milwaukee jack, Yes the Chinese have been attempting to copy Lincolns design for years, Although the only thing they managed to get right was the frame style. Walker/lincoln for years could be identified from across the room by looking at those 90 degree flaps on top the frame. Now everyone and there brother is copying it, Fortunately that is the only comparison they shared. Congrats on your purchase...
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Pricing things out now. Milwaukee seesm to be considerably more expensive, compared to Hein Werner.

Aren't they both made in the USA?
Besides HW being owned by a Japanese company, is there a difference?


follow up:

I know Milwaukee is 100% made in the USA and with USA Materials. I called Hein Werner and they stated their jacks were 100% USA made and with USA materials.

I was told from Jackxchange.com that Milwaukee makes the best jacks.

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Pricing things out now. Milwaukee seesm to be considerably more expensive, compared to Hein Werner.

Aren't they both made in the USA?
Besides HW being owned by a Japanese company, is there a difference?
Shinn Fu is Taiwanese, not Japanese. If that makes any difference.

Good question, I want to know the answer too.
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Shinn Fu is Taiwanese, not Japanese. If that makes any difference.

Good question, I want to know the answer too.
Okay...thanks for the correction. Either way. I'm looking for a complete USA kinda deal and I belive that is gonna be Milwaukee. Just a question of if the Milwaukee is worth the extra $$
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bry@n,

Once you've decided between the Model 20 or Model 40 based on your application(s), give Caroline a call at Milwaukee Hydraulics, she'll quote you pricing that's better than what you'll find on the websites.

If the product hasn't quite won you over, her knowledge and professional customer service will. Also, you won't have to press 1 for English or go through a frustating b/s phone menu to talk with her either

I had great service from order to delivery. Other companies should take notice. If you want me to pay, you have to pay attention. Milwaukee Hydraulics certainly paid attention to me.

Good luck with whatever you decide to purchase. Please don't forget to post pics of your new floor jack.
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Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Whats the deal with the Omega?
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Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Whats the deal with the Omega?
Omega is owned by Shinn Fu, They produce the majority of the Hydraulic jacks you see ranging from Walmart to the Snap on truck. I will say this about the "Magic Lift", How it works is there is small rod that runs inside the cylinder and on your first pump it lifts the Arm up to the load, Which is great right? Well kinda.. You still have a couple "Free" pumps where nothing happens after initial lift so the cylinder can catch up depending on how much Oil was sucked into the cylinder upon the intitial lift. They use Oring on both ends of the Resevoir, Sealed Pump (oring.. Blah) and are fairly solid jacks. I suspect the "Arcan" Jack everybody raves about is probably made by the same manufacturer, Not sure if it has the quick lift technology although. Check Prices......Do your homework.....
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Oh not me. I know what I am getting

I was just asking.
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They use Oring on both ends of the Resevoir, Sealed Pump (oring.. Blah)
Are the higher quality jacks using a type of seal that is more square with more surface area? Just curious, I run into this at work on hydraulic cylinders. It seems like the cheaper stuff that tends to fail uses more o-rings as opposed to the seals that have a lip, kinda like a wheel bearing seal.

Is there a way to convert a jack to better seals? I'm guessing yes, but it probably requires a trip to a machine shop, which would kill any cost savings.
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Are the higher quality jacks using a type of seal that is more square with more surface area? Just curious, I run into this at work on hydraulic cylinders. It seems like the cheaper stuff that tends to fail uses more o-rings as opposed to the seals that have a lip, kinda like a wheel bearing seal.

Is there a way to convert a jack to better seals? I'm guessing yes, but it probably requires a trip to a machine shop, which would kill any cost savings.
Well... Yes and No. This is what Walker/Lincoln/NewHW's use for sealing on there Pumps.


These is called Vee packing, It is stout as hell and renewable by compressing it. As far as converting older oring over it would definitely take some maching to make it right. Now there are some good examples where Orings are used and they are fine.. Milwaukee jacks use Orings on both pump pistons and using tight tolerances make it work rather effective, similar to a Cylinder. Me myself i prefer Ucups, Vee packing because it has a proven track record in longevity if installed correctly. This isnt a bash on Milwaukee jacks because they are also proven winners, Just my opinion.
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What's your opinion of the Omega jack?
I love the size, one of the best jacks for working on lowerd cars, Asides from that its a real piece of crap, after just over a year of owning it the "Magic lift" aspect works when it wants to and jacking up the car takes quite a few pumps to get a vehicle off the ground.
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I love the size, one of the best jacks for working on lowerd cars, Asides from that its a real piece of crap, after just over a year of owning it the "Magic lift" aspect works when it wants to and jacking up the car takes quite a few pumps to get a vehicle off the ground.
Welcome to the World of "Give me the Newest Technology at the Cheapest Price" On the Plus side, General hand tools and a vise can get you up and going along with some Metric Orings. Normally the first indication that the "Magic Lift" oring is going bad is that upon the first stroke the Arm will go up then fall back down a few inches (or more if things are real bad) Get you a metric Oring kit and Tear that bad boy down. I can get going Free of charge on my end.
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Just picked this jack up at an auction for $7. Looks like a Walker with the T-handle and release knob. It lifts about as high as the top of the handle but doesn't currently work. The pics aren't very good. Any idea what model this is? How old and what it's worth? It needs a wheel welded on.
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I also picked up this working walker unit-lift No.798 Mechanical transmission jack for $25.
Capacity 1000 LBS.
Range: 3" to 26-7-8"
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CRTDI,
How do you switch between raise/lower on that nice milwaukee? Twist the handle?
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Just picked this jack up at an auction for $7. Looks like a Walker with the T-handle and release knob. It lifts about as high as the top of the handle but doesn't currently work. The pics aren't very good. Any idea what model this is? How old and what it's worth? It needs a wheel welded on.
Its reall hard to determine what kind of jack that is, at first i thought it was some HodgePodge invention. Going by the handle and Release it appears maybe to be a Hein Werner. I have no earthly idea what it was used for or model number. If i was guessing i would guess Tranny use, If you could snap some pics of the hydraulic unit itself i could certainly identify the brand.
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No one with US jack jacks huh? How do you guys think these compare to milwaukees?
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No one with US jack jacks huh? How do you guys think these compare to milwaukees?
Us Jacks claim to 100% American made is not exactly true, Yes they manufacture "Weaver" Jacks which are 100% American and a DAMN fine jack and my favorite, But... They are extremely expensive and only come in Long Frame design. They also sell American Made Bottle jacks but also push there imported line with the same sticker. The good thing about this is they dont try and hide it.
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How do you switch between raise/lower on that nice milwaukee? Twist the handle?

Go back to my #72 posting in this thread and look at the fifth picture showing the handle assy. At the end of the handle what appears to be an end cap in the pic, is actually the release/actuating knob for raising and lowering of the lifting arm. Attached to the knob, is a rod within the handle that attaches to the release screw.

Page #2 of this pdf file shows the detailed assy.

http://www.milwaukeehydraulic.com/model40.pdf

Also, on page #4 of the pdf flie you will see warranty info. Warranty is stated as 1 year. The warranty info that arrived with my jack was revised to cover two years.

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Just picked this jack up at an auction for $7. Looks like a Walker with the T-handle and release knob. It lifts about as high as the top of the handle but doesn't currently work. The pics aren't very good. Any idea what model this is? How old and what it's worth? It needs a wheel welded on.
Only $7, what a great deal!! I've never seen a jack configured like that. Any idea what it was used for?
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Heres mine:

Sealey 3 ton super rocket lift



little 2 ton bottle jack I use for my trailer



five foot Jackall hi-lift/farm jack, will get the back of the truck nice and high off the ground, a left over from my off-roading days really. My current 4x4 has nowhere to use it on, damn plastic bumpers!



We had some tyres fitted last week on my wifes Nissan X-Trail by a mobile tyre fitter, the only jack he had in his van was an airbag one like the little yellow one but it had a much higher lift on it and a handle to position it with. Very quick in use.
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Here are some more pics of my auction purchases. The big plate doesn't come off. Maybe it was used for mufflers? That American Scale screw jack was maybe $1.
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Here's a Hein Werner 3-Ton bottle jack
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Here are some more pics of my auction purchases. The big plate doesn't come off. Maybe it was used for mufflers? That American Scale screw jack was maybe $1.
I believe its a Ausco jack, Its really hard to see with all the grime. At first i thought it was a old blackhawk but im leaning towards Ausco. Is there any marking on the handle near the release? Stampings?
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It looks like there is a "G81" and a "P" in a circle I didn't see anything else. I'll try to degrease it and power wash it soon.
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Anyone have any experience with the Ranger RFJ-3000LPF? I'm looking for something low profile with a good bit of reach.
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It looks like there is a "G81" and a "P" in a circle I didn't see anything else. I'll try to degrease it and power wash it soon.
What is stamped on top of the Release knob?
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That jack looks like it could be used to hang bombs under a airplane
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"Close" with a clockwise arrow
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Found a tag under paint and grime:
"Manufactured by J.W. Lewis & Co., Textile Trucks, Spartanburg, S.C., Model K6, Serial 4263, Capacity 2000, Patent No. 2189010"
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Id like to tell you what you have there but im at a loss of words, There is so much hodge podge that i dont know where to start, The pump has Blackhawk tendencies, the release mechanism looks Hein wernish as does the frame minus all the support offset wheels. I sent the pics off to a buddy but he didnt have a clue.
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After degreasing and power washing here are some more pics.
I put oil in it and it works
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It looks like this was used to haul big rolls of fabric/thread in a mill. Pretty interesting piece. Here is a link to the patent description.

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Thanks for the info. Hein Werner 20 ton bottle jack. I wish I still had pics of the 3 Weaver jacks I had. 20, 10 and 4 ton jacks, sold for big profit.
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I don't have any "actual" pics of my jacks..

Sealy 2200HL on the left, Arcan 3-ton on the right, holding up a MK II Golf engine and gearbox:



Arcan being used to hold up the driveshaft to put it back in my friend's Mercedes:



The 2200HL being used to hold up the gearbox in the same car:

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if you are going to get an airbag jack, why not something like this an air x jack

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I have one of these I keep in the van. Takes up no space at all when empty, and lifts super high. Effortless, too!
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Here's a Walker 930 D 5 ton bottle jack and a Walker floor jack. 882?
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Here is my latest auction find:
Walker NO. 120 Vertilift Series B Jack USA
Can't read the Capacity, 1 TON?
Can't find any info with a web search
Made in 50s - 60s ???
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I love these.
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Hmm.. Looks dangerous. I dont necessarily care for the offset lifting point, Looks like it would create a lot of stress below the Jack stand saddle. Are people seriously that lazy? Powerbuilt? LOL
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Hmm.. Looks dangerous. I dont necessarily care for the offset lifting point, Looks like it would create a lot of stress below the Jack stand saddle. Are people seriously that lazy? Powerbuilt? LOL
Very safe, it is not about laziness, it is about working smarter not harder. My time working on cars is about enjoying it, no about being macho. Each to his own. I guest having a lift in your garage is being lazy, too if so I am lazy x2.

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Very safe, it is not about laziness, it is about working smarter not harder. My time working on cars is about enjoying it, no about being macho. Each to his own. I guest having a lift in your garage is being lazy, too if so I am lazy x2.
I guess my concern is the offset lifting point, so i do question the Safety aspect of this tool along with the longevity of its lifespan. I dont get the Macho comment or the the lift = Lazy but i guess thats OK. Coming from someone who deals with Hydraulic jacks daily in one aspect or another i agree People should use Quality Jack stands for safety precautions and liability reasons, Ive just never seen them cross/bred before.
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craftsman 2ton aluminum jacks

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Went on a nice road trip with the family this last weekend, this ended up coming back with us:





I.D. plate says it's a 1.5 ton model S-17 Blackhawk floor jack.





It obviously has issues retaining it's fluid. The guy I bought it from says that it was from a local garage that worked on cars in the 50's. He was still using it to lift his small pickup









The jack does operate up and down, but it has seen a lot of use. Besides the leaking hydraulic unit, the handle receiver has a lot of slop in it, one of the lifting arm side braces rubs against the inside of the frame, the lifting arm spring is damaged, the caster wheel bearings are all intact but worn out and the handle is actually bent.



Even with all it's flaws, I think it's a keeper. Looks right a home next to the Milwaukee unit doesn't it ?





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Hiball, I have a Blackhawk jack that used to have the light near the base of the handle, it also has the name cast into the housing.
Is there a site online that will give me more info on when this was made.?

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I picked up this guy on Friday at an estate sale,works great. I believe it is a rebadged Walker. It is up for grabs,see my post in the classifieds. I have it up on CL too,and had a guy try to lowball me through an E-Mail by telling me that he can get a brand new one from HF for xx amount of dollars,told him go ahead cause this one probably wont be available in 6-months when that one breaks on him.



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Is there a site online that will give me more info on when this was made.?

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It was probably a SJ-4 or possibly a early 2 as both of these jacks where intended to resemble cars. They had a headlight that mounted on them and a battery compartment in the handle with the switch that turned it on or off. I believe these where introduced in the early 40's and competed mainly with Walker Jacks and there art Deco style.

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Its identical to a Walker 782, I believe it was Walkers first attempt at a 2 ton long frame. Although its not as wide or long as the newer 2 ton Walker jacks it still is a quality unit. Ive sold many over them over the years at around $150-175 completely rebuilt with a warranty.
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Hiball, I have a Blackhawk jack that used to have the light near the base of the handle, it also has the name cast into the housing.
Is there a site online that will give me more info on when this was made.?

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Internet info on these rascals seems to be tough to come by. Here's some old ads I've found though. The first ad I believe is from 1940, the second is from 1953. It would be great if more info was readily available.

I would be interested in getting my hands on a copy of an illustrated parts list for my S-17 and SJ-18 Blackhawks....anybody?

That light appears to have been offered on at least a couple of different older Blackhawk models.



It's definitely on the S-4. A little extra added bonus for the vintage Hein Werner fans...speaking of the jacks of course.


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Can anyone ID this lil 1-1/4 ton jack I picked up today for free??



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Hein Werner OS/Oboy.
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Hmmm,looking through the previous pictures in this thread,it looks like it might be a Hein-Werner....
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Know if a rebuild kit exists for it?
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Yes, I have them in stock.
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Most of the bottle jacks haven't been used in 15 years. The 12 ton OTCs are Made in Japan, the Omega was bought from Snap On and is Made in China. I use it mainly to move the rotary shredder around the shop when I put it up for the winter. I have a 5 ton Tractor Supply (American Made, at least 20 years old, that I carry in my pickup).

The little 1 1/2 ton Snap on came in handy for jacking up Sound Gard cabs when removing the rockshaft housing. The 12 ton OTCs were used to support the back half of a tractor when it was split.
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My 2 1/2 ton China special (orange) and my Dad's old 1 1/2 ton Sears USA. He worked in Sears automotive dept for many years and bought it when when the imported jacks were starting to show up with Sears labels.




Three of the scissors jacks in my garage, the blue one was my Dad's and has a gear reducer at the bottom. He bought it in the early 50's for his '46 Town and Country.
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Comparing the Ranger to the Omega you'll see that the Ranger lifts a lot higher.

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Comparing the Ranger to the Omega you'll see that the Ranger lifts a lot higher.

http://www.asedeals.com/Ranger_floor_jacks.html

http://www.asedeals.com/service-jacks-omega.html
I think there is a reason that (MOST) Jack manufacturers dont have there jacks lift to 31" Can anyone give me a instance where you would lift a car from a single point to 31"? Let alone a low Profile Car.. Do they sell 31" Jack stands? I can forsee bad stuff happening personally...

I guess they do get close to 31" http://www.bendpak.com/shop-equipmen...s/RJS-12T.aspx
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Here's the one that's been in our family since the early 60's. Would like to know the manufactures date. Anyone have more info on it?
I plan on repainting it and maybe I should rebuild the cylinder. Are parts available? Doesn't leak much and works great-just askin'





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Its a 884 Walker, Probably from the Mid to Late 50's. Its the second generation of the Walker 4 Tons and yes I keep complete rebuild kits in stock and some Hard parts as even the Newer HW93657 parts are still compatible with the older series. Where is it leaking from? You can tighten the compression nuts on both pumps and the tank nut to keep any light seapage contained. Truth is you might not need a rebuild kit as it appears its been rebuilt sometime before.
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Hiball, Thanks for the quick response! I'm going to clean it up and check to see if and where it is leaking. Could just be residue from sitting around. Just rescued it from my dads garage. It might be just fine after I check it out. It's done a lot of work for us.
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Hiball, Thanks for the quick response! I'm going to clean it up and check to see if and where it is leaking. Could just be residue from sitting around. Just rescued it from my dads garage. It might be just fine after I check it out. It's done a lot of work for us.
Without a doubt its a workhorse, Here is the newest model that shares the the bones of that jack. http://www.jackxchange.com/products/HW93657.cfm If you have any questions feel free to contact me.
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I plan on repainting it and maybe I should rebuild the cylinder. Are parts available? Doesn't leak much and works great-just askin'





What a great looking old jack!!

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Oh yeah, I will. I'm gonna clean it up and repaint it at least. Darker blue like original
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Without a doubt its a workhorse, Here is the newest model that shares the the bones of that jack. http://www.jackxchange.com/products/HW93657.cfm If you have any questions feel free to contact me.

OK, another question, since I'm going to repaint this it seems like it was originally blue, but i can't remember what the other color was? Gold, yellow, white or what? I may do something different anyway but I'd still like to refresh my memory bank just to consider it.
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OK, another question, since I'm going to repaint this it seems like it was originally blue, but i can't remember what the other color was? Gold, yellow, white or what? I may do something different anyway but I'd still like to refresh my memory bank just to consider it.
It was either white or Yellow, Im gonna have to go with yellow being that is the color currently and on rebuild tag border.
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finally got a little spare time to clean these up and repaint.
Thanks for the inspiration I got on here. My Dad was really proud of these and all his other tools. He would be glad to have seen these freshened up. I'm really fortunate to have them, still.









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Wow... great job man!!! Love it!
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Mine just new to me 5 Ton works great so far

Hiball what maintenance for air operated jacks ? oil the air line or not ?
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Definitely NO oil lines and attempt to keep the air Dry by at mininum by draining the tank often.
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The SJ-18 Blackhawk has finally arrived!! I actually purchased this jack a couple months ago, but I was not able to pick it up until yesterday due to its location. Hope everybody enjoys the pics.





The jack operates but does not lift fully due to a leaking hydraulic unit.



My son removing the cover for a closer look.




Lots of nice original paint on the underside of the cover.





The I.D. tag











A comparison pic with the Milwaukee 40.




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That is the cleanest W126 i have ever seen.
No joke, check out those wheelwells! spotless
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^^^ That's one stout jack, I like the style too!
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I think that the SJ-18 and the W126 are similar as they were both designed with regards to quality and durability over the long haul.

I can't always afford it, but I've always had an appreciation for useful items that appear they will last, and if it's built with a great looking design then I just consider that as an extra bonus.

The SJ-18 overhaul will be set on the back burner for now as the S-17 is still a work in progress. More money is going into the S-17 rebuild than anticipated as cracked welds and some very worn components were discovered in the tear down process. The S-17 has seen some very serious use during the past 60 plus years. It's just amazing to me that it was still being used at all.
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My vintage Blackhawk floor jack addiction continues:

Just acquired this hefty baby. It doesn't have an I.D. tag, but I believe it's an S-4, 4 ton unit. One of it's unique features is a built in head light to assist with jack saddle positioning.



You can actually feel resonating vibrations through the garage floor as this jack is being pushed around, just incredible.





The headlight feature.



The light assembly on this jack has the lens which always seems to be missing on other S-4 jacks that I've seen pictures of. This particular lens has been painted red, but should be clear.







The left hand side of the T-handle is threaded for mounting of the light switch which happens to be missing from this jack.



The underside of the jack.





Comparison pics of the Milwaukee model 40 and Blackhawks SJ-18 and S-4.



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You have three very nice examples there. Most EXCELLENT
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Here are my two Oldies...

a '50's or '60's Ausco 2 ton






and a '40s Weaver 4 ton


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Doug,

Really nice jacks!! I remember seeing your earlier posting on the Ausco unit, were you able to rebuild the hydraulic unit, and get your other items sorted? And I'm really digging that Weaver, the older units just have a bit more style about them.
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I'm waiting for the rebuild kit from 'hiball', on that hydraulic unit, otherwise, it's sitting in pieces on the workbench waiting to get degreased and prepped for a fresh coat of prime and paint.

I need to order a new set of replacement rear caster wheels, but that won't hold up the painting...

Initially, I thought there were bronze bushings at the handle pivot that needed replacement, but it turns out they are steel. so they will remain, since they weren't that bad.

I haven't yet figured out the 'slop' issue with the handle actuator casting to piston pump connection, it might need a shim washer to take uo some of the wear. I also haven't been able to remove the handle from the lower handle casting, but have it soaking in a little penetrating oil. If that doesn't work, then I'll get the torch out and heat/expand the meal a little, getting the rust bond to pop. So I still have a few issues to deal with.

I probably could have left everything alone, since it worked great, but then what fun would that be????

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beautiful looking jacks !
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A co-worker inherited this jack from his father. He has asked Elroy to look it over. It functions OK but it bleeds down slowly under heavy load and the release valve is hard to turn.

Going to pull it down and at least put a kit in it if available. That's were Hiball comes in. Steve, please advise on kit availability












DUDDDEEE, i have that same jack! it is a beast of floor jacks.
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I also have the same "one"...although mine says 'Allied Hydraulics', and made in china on it. but it is about 20 years old, it doesn't leak, and works great for the abuse i've subjected it to over the years....

As Hiball siad, they are all alike....just wear different labels...

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I also have the same "one"...although mine says 'Allied Hydraulics', and made in china on it. but it is about 20 years old, it doesn't leak, and works great for the abuse i've subjected it to over the years....

As Hiball siad, they are all alike....just wear different labels...
Don't think mine has a label at all, unless it is hidden under the oil/grease my grandpa had subjected it to.

I'll look into it next time i go home. (currently at college)
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These aren't mine, I found them outside a small museum in Ridgecrest, Ca. All mechanical, no hydraulics.
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Here are a few pics of my Marquette.....first used this in 1980 when I borrowed it from a neighbor, as he was getting up in age, he gave it to me about 10 years ago.
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Ive been through about 50 jacks in the last 10 years in my shop. I had my Lincoln and Walker jacks rebuilt about every 6 months until one day I just decided to buy cheap jacks and then toss them when they went bad. I came out much cheaper. The last Jack I bought was a HF 4000 lb aluminum race jack.
http://www.harborfreight.com/rapid-p...ack-92782.html

It works really well and keep it in my garage. The one on my race trailer is a Craftsman aluminum race jack. Most guys I know has had these tear up but mine has been going strong for 3 years.
I really like the old walker jacks that we had in the 60's-70's. Those lasted so well. Since the chinese jacks hit the market it's had to find a truly good jack. I tried the Napa Pro Jacks and what a waste of money they were. I don't use a jack much anymore as I use my lift more than anything
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I also have the same "one"...although mine says 'Allied Hydraulics', and made in china on it. but it is about 20 years old, it doesn't leak, and works great for the abuse i've subjected it to over the years....

As Hiball siad, they are all alike....just wear different labels...
This one looks suspiciously like the Milwaukee...maybe it's not one of the USA-made Milwaukees?

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-s...AdIdZ142294393
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Ive been through about 50 jacks in the last 10 years in my shop. I had my Lincoln and Walker jacks rebuilt about every 6 months until one day I just decided to buy cheap jacks and then toss them when they went bad. I came out much cheaper. The last Jack I bought was a HF 4000 lb aluminum race jack.
If you had to have your Walker/Lincoln jacks rebuilt every 6 mos, 1 of 2 things were happening, Either your rebuilder was clueless and not using the correct Seals or improperly installing them or you was severely overloading your jacks.
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This one looks suspiciously like the Milwaukee...maybe it's not one of the USA-made Milwaukees?

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-s...AdIdZ142294393
That is Lincolns "Import series" and that price is severely out of whack. Keep walking away from that jack.
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yeah i have seen quite a few of the lincoln imports for sale here as well
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yeah i have seen quite a few of the lincoln imports for sale here as well
Yep the market was flooded right before Lincoln decided to dump the hydraulic line, They sold there good name to many different Import brands. Im sure some of you can remember the Marquette line (Not the old USA Marquette Line) that was sold at Walmart under the lincoln Blue. I still see them pop up on ebay from time to time and people will buy them based on the Lincoln name itself.
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I really like that Ausco..do you have a picture of it next to the weaver?
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I really like that Ausco..do you have a picture of it next to the weaver?
Nope not yet, but the weaver is about a foot longer...

I have the Ausco in pieces right now, its amid the rebuild. I'll post pics when its all done.

I have to do the Weaver right after. There seems to be some sponginess to the weaver, and I don't want to chance having my 7600# truck drop while I'm jacking it up.

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thanks doug.

I just picked up a weaver and it needs some tlc as well.
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I just picked up a Blackhawk SJ-23 1 1/2 ton jack a few days ago. Do any of you have any information on this jack? I can't get the handle to lift up all the way yet and I believe that I am missing some sort of release for the handle to lift up. I'll get pictures on here soon.
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OK guys. I took some pictures of the new Jack. Here she is in all her glory! Is this an SJ23 or an S17?? Will need a seal kit for this baby. Also need to figure out if handle turns as a release and how do I lift up the handle to the vertical position?


















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Well.... The tag says its a Model SJ-23 so i checked my books and it appears that "MY" rebuild kit covers the following models: S-17, S-17E, S-23 and SJ-23 as i stated my kits cover a variety of models and to my knowledge im the only one that does that. Its not cheap (Old Blackhawk jacks use tons of Packing) but it is complete at $87. I checked with a couple other suppliers including Blackhawkparts.com and they dont even list it, They list a S-23 but im not sure if the correct kit or not. I will make some calls tomorrow to see if i can find out if it will work with the SJ-23 if it does they will be your cheapest route. Most of the time my prices will beat anyone elses but there are exceptions and i dont have any problems sending GJ members to the best price location.

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As far as the handle position, If i remember you pull out maybe on the knob?? I cant remember but there is away to store it in the up position.
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I have an S-17 jack that is similar in design to this one. One of the main differences between my S-17 and this SJ-23 is the handle yoke. The yoke for the S-17 is one piece and the handle must be removed because it will not stow in a vertical position due to the mechanical link at the pump plunger. This jack has that same mechanical link at the pump plunger but has a jointed yoke for the purpose of handle stowage. Your picture of the yoke shows a threaded hole. This is the hole for the jack handle screw. On my S-17 this is the screw that I loosen to remove the jack handle assy.

On a not very clear picture of another SJ-23 that I have seen with the jack handle stowed, the handle is removed from the upper/aft jointed portion of the yoke, the upper/aft yoke portion is folded forward and the handle is stowed on the aft side of the folded over yoke assy. I am assuming that once the handle is removed that you then should be able to disengage and fold the upper/aft portion of the yoke forward. However, I really don't know how the handle is to be stowed once the yoke is folded over as I don't really see a means to support the handle on the aft side of the yoke. That picture also showed what might be a strap or retaining device from the lower/fwd yoke assy that looks as if it might be visible once the upper/aft yoke is folded over.

I don't have experience with this particular model and can only go by what I've seen in a crappy picture, but I would loosen/remove the jack handle screw. remove the handle assy, disengage/release and fold the upper/aft yoke assy fwd, and see if there is any way to stow the handle.

I hope you find a way to get the handle stowed as I would like to know this process as well. Please show us some pics after you get it figured out. And by the way, that's a really cool looking floor jack, thanks for sharing.

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I feel very fortunate to have come across both my Walker 782 and my Blackhawk S23 in just the past 24-hrs.

Extremely relieved I didn't fork out the $59.99 (with coupon) for the aluminum HF unit I had been debating on the past couple of weeks. In my search for reviews on various jacks, I came across this site. In a matter of days the Blackhawk and Walker popped up for sale. For pretty much the same amount as the HF unit I was able to buy both these wonderful pieces of equipment.

My reward for being patient.

I'll post pics of the Walker, shortly. After the wife leaves. She wasn't too happy when I rolled this into the apartment. Wait till she finds both of them on the floor, at my side of the bed! LoL.





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I feel very fortunate to have come across both my Walker 782 and my Blackhawk S23 in just the past 24-hrs.

Extremely relieved I didn't fork out the $59.99 (with coupon) for the aluminum HF unit I had been debating on the past couple of weeks. In my search for reviews on various jacks, I came across this site. In a matter of days the Blackhawk and Walker popped up for sale. For pretty much the same amount as the HF unit I was able to buy both these wonderful pieces of equipment.

My reward for being patient.

I'll post pics of the Walker, shortly. After the wife leaves. She wasn't too happy when I rolled this into the apartment. Wait till she finds both of them on the floor, at my side of the bed! LoL.





Thanks for taking the time to post pics of your new to you Blackhawk. I'm sure you'll enjoy using that tough little jack.

By now you have probably figured out that the handle does not stow vertical. Kind of a PIA, but the handle removes easily enough so it want take out your knees while you try to walk past it.

Does your jack have a release valve knob at the end of the handle or do you have to turn the actual handle to actuate the release valve?
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LOL... He has his jacks in the House. I work at my grandpa's shop because it would be WWIII if i destroyed our garage. I sure hope it doesnt incur any leaks, Im sure that wouldnt go over very well.
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LoL. Actually, I typically do all my wrenching at work during off hours.
Our apartment complex only has open carports. Sometime this weekend I'll drop them off at the warehouse at work. I just wanted to spend a couple of days familiarizing myself with them here at home, before putting them away. Fortunately neither one has a leak.

Truly amazing craftsmanship. I'm hooked. I want more!

Btw, CRTDI, I have to turn the handle to actuate the valve on the Blackhawk.
Here are more pics of the Walker.







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a '50's or '60's Ausco 2 ton






and a '40s Weaver 4 ton


Here is an old advertisement for an Ausco jack.



What I think is interesting, is that although it's an ad for an Ausco, it appears that a Weaver jack is depicted under the car in the upper portion of the ad.

Perhaps the Auto Specialties Company handled both products?
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Here is an old advertisement for an Ausco jack.



What I think is interesting, is that although it's an ad for an Ausco, it appears that a Weaver jack is depicted under the car in the upper portion of the ad.

Perhaps the Auto Specialties Company handled both products?

As far as I know, Ausco and Weaver were completely different companies. The long frame floor jacks all looked quite similar back then, it was the little details like the handle, or the pump dust cover, or rear caster assembly, that set each one apart...

Also, all the Weaver's that I've seen, all have the 'jockey shift' piston release handle on the side of the jack handle, not a knob on the top...

great pickup on the picture in that add....did you read the license plate?

I also find it interesting, that this particular Ausco jack was patented in the early '60s, I posted a picture of the actual patent diagrams in another post, yet they use a mid '50s or earlier style car. Cars in the mid to late '60s didn't have tires or bumbers like that!

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I picked up a '74 Ausco that I found on CL about two weeks ago yesterday. I guess my first email asking a bunch of questions was a little too much for them, but the second one asking if they would be around so I could come and look at it was okay. Damn thing just barely fit in my Mazda 3. My 10+ year old import had stopped lifting the whole way, so it's in line for a rebuild. I snagged her for $75, and I figured I couldn't even get another import for that price, so what the hell. Thanks to HiBall for the identification help and advice on this one.
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I picked up a '74 Ausco that I found on CL about two weeks ago yesterday. I guess my first email asking a bunch of questions was a little too much for them, but the second one asking if they would be around so I could come and look at it was okay. Damn thing just barely fit in my Mazda 3. My 10+ year old import had stopped lifting the whole way, so it's in line for a rebuild. I snagged her for $75, and I figured I couldn't even get another import for that price, so what the hell. Thanks to HiBall for the identification help and advice on this one.
yeah, its kind of hard to transport these Ausco jacks when the darn handle doesn't come off.....

Another 'funny' thing about that jack...the Patent # listed is incorrect.....the last three digits should be '988', not 098....I'd hate to be the printing shop that made that mistake...

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This is the one I just picked up for $60 20ton not sure of the name ED
I think its weight is 20 tons as well, 2 people can not lift it.

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Yeah, I was praying that I didn't have to jam on the brakes and take my windshield out. That would have definitely make the jack more expensive than it was worth.
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I think its weight is 20 tons as well, 2 people can not lift it.

Its a old walker, im not sure if its 20 ton or 10 ton capacity. Regardless its heavy as hell your correct.
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