Welcome to the The Garage Journal Board forums.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.

Go Back   The Garage Journal Board > The Garage > Free Parking

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 11-12-2009, 10:05 AM   #1
BigRed390
Senior Member
 
BigRed390's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Chattanooga, TN
Posts: 465
Default Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

I'm in the market for a good truckity-truck. Nothing fancy, not my daily driver, and I don't own a boat, etc. that will need towing. I'm really looking in the early-to-mid 90's (maybe up to a 97). Looking at older Chevys (which i grew up around), they all have some form of v-8 in them. I'd be fine with a 350, but a lot I've seen lately have that boat anchor known as a 305 under the hood. I'm not a fan. Dad had one, and it was a piece!

This led me to looking at Ford's lineup. I'm seeing a LOT of fords with a straight 6 and a 5 speed, which I'd really like to have. Hard to find a manual in a chevy. However, I'm not very familiar with Ford's inline 6. Everyone calls it a "4.9", which I'm assuming to be one of those 300" dinosaurs with EFI. Am I correct here? Anybody have one? Like it? Hate it? What kind of power do they have? Would it pull a car on a trailer?

Thanks in advance!

-Red
BigRed390 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 10:14 AM   #2
Cobradriver
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Port Charlotte,Fl
Posts: 26
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

I retired one a couple of years ago with 490K on it. It didn't have a lot of ass and had a bit of blowby but it went down the road. If taken care of the you really can't kill a 4.9. About the worst we ended up doing was at roughly 100K we pulled the front cover and replaced the timing gears with all steel. The fiber cam gear would shed its teeth and quit running. If this happens replace the oil pump pickup at the same time. I don't know much about the manuals,we had c-6's.

Parts are still available everwhere and cheap. We had more problems with rust than anything else...

Chris
Cobradriver is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 11-12-2009, 10:40 AM   #3
Old Donn
Senior Member
 
Old Donn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Michigan
Posts: 1,404
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

Go for it. As stated above, this motor's pretty much bulletproof. Head & shoulders better than the horse sh*t V6's that replaced it.
Old Donn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 10:45 AM   #4
sammerdog
Senior Member
 
sammerdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: West Michigan
Posts: 1,474
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

Excellent engine. We ran a bazillion of the 300 straight sixes in E and F series Fords back when I was in a fleet management position. Lowest pennies per mile operating expense of any light duty engine on the market at the time.

No, you shouldn't plan on it being a great towing engine, but if you're gonna throw half a ton of widgets in it and go down the road, you'll love the engine.

Replacing that 4.9 with the V6 in the 97 models was a huge mistake by the boys at Ford.
sammerdog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 10:55 AM   #5
metal1313
Senior Member
 
metal1313's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: plainfield nj, Walkerturnercountry
Posts: 2,542
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

they are great motors, and they can pull the truck pretty well. if your not towing alot, they tow fine too. they were in nearly all f-series trucks, ive seen a few f350 dumps with them. they are simple and reliable, the 5spd leaves some to be desiered though, they just arent as good as a zf-5.
metal1313 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 11:06 AM   #6
ihredo4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: 100 miles W of Daileyville in Idiotnois
Posts: 1,562
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

I would say it was the best engine Ford ever built. We have had several over the years and they have been completely reliable. In our 82 F250 we had the butterfly shaft in the carb wear out and leaned out and burnt the middle two cylinders. We had it bores and rebuilt it and it had a ton of power. 18MPG running it empty or with a load of tile. Our 69 F600 has a couple hundred thousand miles on it and still runs down the road with the best of them. In fact it has out lasted the chassis, the Miller trailer, and the Massey 30B backhoe. We have never touched it it the 30years we have owned it. I would say go for it. Dont expect to out run anyone. You will be the turtle nit the hare.
ihredo4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 11:10 AM   #7
BigRed390
Senior Member
 
BigRed390's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Chattanooga, TN
Posts: 465
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

Damn! Guess that sways my decision! Yeah, going fast is out of the question. Just need something reliable to pick up the stuff from the lumber yard with or bring home an engine or two. Sounds like a decent alternative! Thanks for the replies!
BigRed390 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 11:23 AM   #8
GeorgiaHybrid
Senior Member
 
GeorgiaHybrid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Extreme NW Georgia
Posts: 3,765
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

BigRed390,

Hit the Blvd. and you can find several dealers with them priced right. The Shallowford Road area should have some also.
GeorgiaHybrid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 11:24 AM   #9
supertooljunkie
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Lilburn, GA
Posts: 854
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

I had an '84 F-100 with the straight six. Bought it used with 97k miles on it and put another 150k on it. Never had to do anything other than tune ups and oil changes.

It started to develop a rod knock at 246k, but wasn't bad. I sold it at 297k and made the buyer aware. He drove it another 65k before it let go going up the interstate at 75 MPH.
supertooljunkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 11:47 AM   #10
mrjsl
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 74
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

I too think it's the best light duty pickup engine ford ever made.

I've had several trucks with it, and #1 advce I can give you is find one with a 3.5 rearend. If you aren't running on the highway a lot, then even lower speed rearend like 4.1 would be better.

They made a ton of those trucks with higher speed rearends, but the 3.5 or lower makes a ton of difference in that particular truck and will give you longer engine life. With the right rearend, the truck will pull any kind of light trailer pretty handily.
mrjsl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 12:02 PM   #11
BTG
Senior Member
 
BTG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Indy
Posts: 173
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

As the others have said, it is one of the best engines Ford ever produced. My dad bought a E-250 new back in '78 and the engine was never out of it. We finally had to have it hauled off a few years ago as the body and brakes literally rusted away. We put over 311,000 miles on it and the only major engine maintainence was 3 valve jobs and 2 carb rebuilds!
BTG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 12:11 PM   #12
Moose-LandTran
Senior Member
 
Moose-LandTran's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: The Brink of Insanity
Posts: 15,059
Send a message via AIM to Moose-LandTran Send a message via MSN to Moose-LandTran
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

I was also thinking about buying one of these when i move. The proper gearbox is appealing to us Europeans. Hurrah!
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmik binturong
I lived in a forest, I could always go punch a Moose or something.
Moose-LandTran is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 12:14 PM   #13
CarCrafter
Senior Member
 
CarCrafter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Somewhere in the rust belt
Posts: 546
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

Testimony to how indestructible these 4.9s are. We had one in a E series we had to clunker a few months back. We didn't use the Sodium Silicate solution and instead ran the engine with only water in the crankcase. We ran it a good 25 minutes at 2000+ rpm before the rods welded to piston pin and shot out of the pan. We didn't want to kill it, but the way we killed it only goes to show how bullet proof they are. This was with the oil drained and filled with tap water, steam coming out of the filler cap.
CarCrafter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 12:33 PM   #14
mrjsl
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 74
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrjsl View Post
I too think it's the best light duty pickup engine ford ever made.

I've had several trucks with it, and #1 advce I can give you is find one with a 3.5 rearend. If you aren't running on the highway a lot, then even lower speed rearend like 4.1 would be better.

They made a ton of those trucks with higher speed rearends, but the 3.5 or lower makes a ton of difference in that particular truck and will give you longer engine life. With the right rearend, the truck will pull any kind of light trailer pretty handily.
To clarify - I think they made a 3.55 and a 3.73 and maybe a 4.1 - 3.73 is the best all around to me

Higher than 3.55 (e.g. 3.1, etc...) makes that truck a PITA - especially with the 4 or 5 speed manual trans
mrjsl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 01:07 PM   #15
cdent
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 829
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

I ran my '88 for 18 trouble free years. The 3.08 diff gears were perfect for me because it had the T-18 with the granny low first. It hummed easily on the interstate with the direct drive fourth, but it would crawl slower than regular walking in four low. Those 4.11's will wind that motor out of breath on the highway unless it's got an overdrive. Mine was not a dog and it was overloaded many times for a half ton. Motor and tranny didn't complain just the rest of the chassis once in a while. I'd happily still have it, but finally gave up on the body rust. Good luck with finding a good one.
cdent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 03:28 PM   #16
Torque1st
Senior Member
 
Torque1st's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: KC Metro, Kansas
Posts: 5,668
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

I had an 85 E150 with the 4.9/300 and an AOD transmission for many years. I bought it new and ran it until a few years ago. The engine ran strong but the AOD died and the body rust signed the death certificate. The 300-6 has a lot of low end torque and there are a few things a person can do to make the engine better.

Ford vans in those years often rusted horribly. Mine also had a defective factory paint job and Ford would not take care of it. The first rust appeared before it was 6 months old.
__________________
Faster, Better, Cheaper: Pick Two
The FairTax
Follow the Money. -72chevy
Yes, I am insensitive and yes, not politically correct, and yes, Im sure I offended someone,... -Busted_Knuckles (Me too, plus I am old, tired, and grumpy!)
Read "The Marching Morons" Here
"Works" <> Safe, Good, or Right
"You can't fix stupid." -Ron White
Torque1st is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 03:58 PM   #17
Charles (in GA)
Senior Member
 
Charles (in GA)'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: 50 mi south of Atlanta
Posts: 10,663
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

That engine is commonly used as an industrial motor. We have dozens of them, no, hundreds of them, in the baggage tugs we use to pull trains of baggage carts at airports. Very indestructible.

Charles
Charles (in GA) is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 04:29 PM   #18
clutch47
Member
 
clutch47's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Elysburg, PA
Posts: 37
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

Yo,
I have owned a few of these (3) and have never seen an issue with them. I agree they are the best light truck engine Ford has ever produced. I have changed head gaskets on them before...and lemme tell you..That is one long, heavy-assed head !!!! I currently have one in a 95 F-150 4wd with a 5 speed and haul coal with it too. Plenty of torque for the hills. NOT a speed kind of power...just a keep on keepin' on power. You can't go wrong.
Clutch47
clutch47 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 04:45 PM   #19
Jared
Senior Member
 
Jared's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Victoria B.C
Posts: 911
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

Like everyone else said best engine ford ever built, I had one in my 87 f-150 wish the body had been better or id probobly still have it.
__________________
1972 yamaha ct-2
1997 Toyota Tacoma 4x4 3.4l
2006 kawasaki klr 650
Jared is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 08:10 PM   #20
RPH
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Michigan Thumb
Posts: 1,023
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

Had the baby brother (240) in a 1973 E300 van got rid of it about 4 years ago due to steering gear rusting loose of the frame. Aimed it did'nt steer it. Engine never quit, body rustest but it still ran great!
RPH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 09:35 PM   #21
wreckercologist
Senior Member
 
wreckercologist's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: cyber-tool hell
Posts: 1,816
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

+1 to everyones comments.

I can only add to this with my own experience.

Everyone always says 6's get better mileage than V8's. BS. I had a 1994, 300 6, 5 speed, 3.55 geared standard cab, longbed. At the same time my father had a 1992, extended cab, shortbox with the 5.0L, overdrive auto and 3.55 gears. Dad's truck was heavier, but got better mileage. Something like 21MPG on the highway with the cruise set. I let him drive mine and he managed 17.5. Me and my hot rod leadfoot usually got 14-15MPG.

Other than that, great motor. Not sexy like a V8, but bulletproof.

P.S. Put the best shocks you can afford on the front end. That will help curb the Twin I Beam's appetite for eating tires!
__________________
Pride is dead
wreckercologist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 09:44 PM   #22
Sweet Old Bill
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: N. California
Posts: 204
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

If you are doing mostly in town driving, you might want to consider the automatic. The clutch on the manual was a monster on an old 1971 that my father in law had. He dumped it after just a few years. Nice truck, but a real pain in town.
Sweet Old Bill is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 11-12-2009, 09:55 PM   #23
wreckercologist
Senior Member
 
wreckercologist's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: cyber-tool hell
Posts: 1,816
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweet Old Bill View Post
If you are doing mostly in town driving, you might want to consider the automatic. The clutch on the manual was a monster on an old 1971 that my father in law had. He dumped it after just a few years. Nice truck, but a real pain in town.
The later model trucks have a hydraulic clutch. Nice and easy!
__________________
Pride is dead
wreckercologist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 10:11 PM   #24
lawfarm
Senior Member
 
lawfarm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Northern IL
Posts: 585
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

I agree with comments above...great engine, you won't kill it.

The mid 90s F-150s (I had a 95) came with a Mazda 5 speed. If you're looking at used ones, make sure the synchros are in good shape. And as soon as you get it, change the oil, and over fill it just a bit. The trannies are a bit weak.

Earlier ones had the T-18 four speed, and some had a different five speed with a granny low first gear (I think early 90s F-150s).

But even with the Mazda tranny, it's a great powertrain, great engine. It will tow just about anything you can hook to it...it's just a question of speed! But it will work, under a full load, all day without complaint. It's more of a tractor engine than anything. Not terribly fast, but it'll move along down the road, and will work without complaint (or parts).
lawfarm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 10:17 PM   #25
JD6619A
Senior Member
 
JD6619A's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 231
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

i'll go against the group, they may have been reliable and bulletproof but I never was a fan of the 300/6. the timing gears in the later 300s were a pain in balls as ford used plastic gears (good idea ford...) and they were gutless i'll take a 351W instead.
__________________
JD6619A
JD6619A is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 11:41 PM   #26
speed bump
Senior Member
 
speed bump's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Casper WY but the tools are inButte Montana
Posts: 4,058
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobradriver View Post
I retired one a couple of years ago with 490K on it. It didn't have a lot of ass and had a bit of blowby but it went down the road. If taken care of the you really can't kill a 4.9. About the worst we ended up doing was at roughly 100K we pulled the front cover and replaced the timing gears with all steel. The fiber cam gear would shed its teeth and quit running. If this happens replace the oil pump pickup at the same time. I don't know much about the manuals,we had c-6's.

Parts are still available everwhere and cheap. We had more problems with rust than anything else...

Chris
The 300 is a small block bolt and as such is backed with a C4.

Quote:
Originally Posted by metal1313 View Post
they are great motors, and they can pull the truck pretty well. if your not towing alot, they tow fine too. they were in nearly all f-series trucks, ive seen a few f350 dumps with them. they are simple and reliable, the 5spd leaves some to be desiered though, they just arent as good as a zf-5.
They came with the ZF-5 as well, I pulled one out while ago to put behind somebodies small block.

Personally I think they are a pretty good engine but i'll take an FE over a 300 any day.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJHandyGuy View Post
Agreed that makes about as much sense as a pimp with a health plan.
speed bump is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2009, 03:14 AM   #27
RedBox
Member
 
RedBox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: MN * USA
Posts: 55
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

Mine was a '95 manual, in a regular cab, long bed F150. Drove it from '97 to 2007. Slow acceleration and not a lot of speed. Getting up to speed entering the highway in heavy traffic was sometimes a little annoying. Occasionally I skipped 1st gear altogether, it was so low. 5th was overdrive.

RB
__________________
"If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail." - Abraham Maslow
RedBox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2009, 08:19 AM   #28
BigRed390
Senior Member
 
BigRed390's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Chattanooga, TN
Posts: 465
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

Quote:
Originally Posted by speed bump View Post
Personally I think they are a pretty good engine but i'll take an FE over a 300 any day.
I agree, but finding an FE in a truck is a little harder to do!

I love the one in my Galaxie, but they're not commonly available in "cheap" trucks around here. Possible engine swap? hehe!
BigRed390 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2009, 08:47 AM   #29
bry@n
Senior Member
 
bry@n's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Ocean County, NJ
Posts: 1,805
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

I've had several. They are great engine and can tow. I hauled a cement mixer a bunch of times with no issue. The rest of the time it was used for basic lumber, dirt, mulch etc..

I had a 80 f100, 84 F150 and a 87 F150 with the 300 4.9 staright 6. The best was the 87. Had Fuel injection and was a 4 speed. Lot's of low end torque. Worked well for plowing also.

Only bad thing is the clutch fluid resoviour (spelling) with the manuals, it was all plastic bracketry that would break. When the pedal was pressed, it would flex the pastic that would flex the firewall plate. I put a new bracket on and ran u bolts around it & through the firewall to strengthed the bracket. I belive Ford had a fix for this also.

I'm sure this was with all manuals of that time, but figured I'd mention it.
bry@n is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2009, 01:36 PM   #30
speed bump
Senior Member
 
speed bump's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Casper WY but the tools are inButte Montana
Posts: 4,058
Default Re: Ford 300" inline six in an F-150

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRed390 View Post
I agree, but finding an FE in a truck is a little harder to do!

I love the one in my Galaxie, but they're not commonly available in "cheap" trucks around here. Possible engine swap? hehe!
huh, I keep trying to resist buying a 70 F-250 with a seized 390 and a lack of driveshafts for $200. I bought my truck with a 360 for $500 and I could probably reliably pick up an okay FE powered truck for under $500 any day of the week.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJHandyGuy View Post
Agreed that makes about as much sense as a pimp with a health plan.
speed bump is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:34 AM.