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Old 02-28-2011, 10:22 AM   #21
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Maybe I can help shed a little light on one of the codes. I have a round head ratchet marked VL, and it came in a set I bought in 1995. Hope this helps.
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That's exactly the kind of info I'm looking for.

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Old 02-28-2011, 11:35 AM   #22
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Thanks Gary,

That 1/2-inch boxhead date I gave was merely a guess based upon a 1954 Sears catalog. I purchased it at an estate sale recently along with the VV ratchet. Both had light surface rust but cleaned up rather well. Thanks again for your trouble.

I thought I would go ahead and add another photo with info to give your new listing some dating. The 3/8" KOZ ratchet below is 8-inches long compared to the shorter VM ratchet shown previously. I purchased this KOZ ratchet in a 255-pc mechanics set last November, 2010.

Model # is 44808 for the KOZ while the VM is model # 44811. The VM date sounds about right. I probably purchased that from Sears around the mid to late 1990s.

Other ratchets in the mechanics set include a T4Z (1/4") and a K6Z (1/2").

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Old 02-28-2011, 02:01 PM   #23
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kc-steve,

Thanks for the new ratchet info. Just to clarify-- is the series code KOZ or K0Z (zero)? Looks like K0Z (zero) to me and that would fit the usual Danaher series code conventions.
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Old 02-28-2011, 02:31 PM   #24
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Yeah that's my mistake, K(zero)Z.

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OK, list updated.
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Old 03-22-2011, 06:23 PM   #26
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Re the 1954 box head ratchet pictured by kc steve: I was in a Sears store today and the present 3/4 drive ratchet looks like the same design. The selector lever does not kick back toward neutral as much as the smaller ratchets. I'll emphasize again that the 3/4 is fastened together by 2 screws, not a snap ring, and the selector lever goes all the way through and is supported by the backing plate. Pretty impressive ratchet. Didn't think to look closely at manufacturers code this time.

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Old 03-23-2011, 04:12 PM   #27
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Well, I guess someone else thought highly of the 3/4 inch drive ratchet, I went back to sears to get the code and it was gone. The code on the 3/4 inch breaker bars was VVY.

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Old 03-24-2011, 12:08 AM   #28
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KEH,

Yes, the Crafty 3/4" drive ratchet is a holdover from the 1950's... a very old but proven design.

Your post is pretty timely; I've been looking for a 3/4 drive ratchet, new or used, for some time. The last time I looked at the Crafty ratchet I was a bit dissapointed though:

1) the handle is a little on the short side... about 20",

2) the ratchet gear seems pretty coarse at about 36 teeth, and

3) the drive bit/gear mechanism seemed kinda sloppy to me.

The next time you're in Sears, pick up one of these brutes, handle it, give it a spin or two, and see what you think. I'd be interested in your thoughts.

For what it's worth, I'm currently exploring other brands (Proto, Wright, and a vintage Williams).
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Old 03-24-2011, 09:24 AM   #29
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I'll check that 3/4" ratchet out but my local Sears isn't stocked well compared to the online stock of tools, no guarantees. Thanks for the info. My old 1954 1/2" ratchet has 22-teeth by my count. Ya know, the older they get the less teeth they have as is the case with most of us.

BTW, I mention this thread at the bottom of the Craftsman History page (Sources) and in the text of my new site. I just went live last night so there's still a lot left to do and it will evolve.
http://junkyardtools.com/tool_history/craftsman

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Old 03-24-2011, 12:19 PM   #30
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FYI, that Craftsman 3/4" ratchet is model number 44804 and the manufacturer's code is KZ. They have 3 or 4 of those here locally and says it was added to their website in 2009.
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...ftsman%2044804

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Old 03-24-2011, 01:45 PM   #31
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kc-steve,

Thanks for the link to your website and the information on the Crafty 3/4" ratchet. Very useful info.

EDIT: I think the 2009 "date added" to the Sears website may apply to the ratchet model, but not necessarily to the series code. I check the tool offerings at the stores frequently and the KZ code first appeared in 2010.

FWIW, I never noticed the date added line on the website until you mentioned it. Thanks.
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Old 04-19-2011, 01:56 PM   #32
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I always find myself coming back to this thread... Great job!

I noticed something on a piece I have with the following stamp:

N-square = unknown U.S. manu., ca ? - ?

There is a faint number visible about an inch towards the business end of the wrench from the Craftsman logo. It says "39" - could that be a clue as to it's date of manufacture?

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Old 04-20-2011, 10:59 PM   #33
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lomotil,

That's a good question and an interesting plier design.

The 39 on your plier was applied during the forge process. Things that get forged on tend to be things that don't change often. That way, you don't need to replace the forge dies until they wear out. Now, if the 39 was stamped on, after the forge process, that 39 might be the year of manufacture. But, I'm only guessing. I could be wrong.

Keep the ideas and observations coming.
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That's a good question and an interesting plier design.

The 39 on your plier was applied during the forge process. Things that get forged on tend to be things that don't change often. That way, you don't need to replace the forge dies until they wear out. Now, if the 39 was stamped on, after the forge process, that 39 might be the year of manufacture. But, I'm only guessing. I could be wrong.

Keep the ideas and observations coming.
It was just something peculiar, on a rather peculiar (outdated) design, thought it might shed some light on the manufacturing dates for the "Square N" stamped Craftsman lineage... It's the only C-man tool in my collection to bear that marking, just wanted to share it.

Again, you're doing a tremendous job of cataloging all of this, and I can't thank you enough for the dedication it must take to compile all this information.
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Old 04-22-2011, 01:10 PM   #35
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It was just something peculiar, on a rather peculiar (outdated) design, thought it might shed some light on the manufacturing dates for the "Square N" stamped Craftsman lineage... It's the only C-man tool in my collection to bear that marking, just wanted to share it.

Again, you're doing a tremendous job of cataloging all of this, and I can't thank you enough for the dedication it must take to compile all this information.
Lomotil,

Your welcome and I appreciate your posts. Sometimes these things just have to percolate for a while before another key piece of information is presented. Then, all the pieces start to fit togather. That's what I'm always hoping for anyway...
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Here's a piece I picked up yesterday, looks nothing like the current version on the Sears website, and I can't make out the stamping, it looks like a short upside down v - or, maybe a sideways K?

Am I missing it on the list, or is this something else? I've no idea on the history of the tool, came from a pawn shop...
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Old 06-13-2011, 07:52 PM   #37
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Just want to say thanks Lauver for all the hard detective work. In case you ever wonder whether it's appreciated or not .... It is!!
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One ratchet 4 different codes - the bottom one "KAA" is a new code not on the list.
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Givl,

Thanks for the heads up on the KAA code. I'm assuming this code recently appeared in your local Sears?
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Old 06-15-2011, 06:44 PM   #40
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Crafty Fans,

I've added one new code (KAA) and updated another code (C) with new information:

KAA = Danaher, ca. 2011 - ? (yet another new Danaher ratchet code)

C = likely Crescent division of Cooper Industries, ca. 1964 - 1973, possibly later

If anybody has any Craftsman Tool catalogs dating from 1975 - 1989, please let me know. Any help appreciated...
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