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Innovate1

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Just noticed I have some sort of bee nest. Looks to be about a foot across. It's fairly high so no immediate danger. Have had several suggestions of just leaving it until winter but think it could be much bigger by then. Have called a few places and responses have been all over the place. Lowest price was $250 but they backed out when they saw the picture. Rather not try to deal with it myself as I have a strong reaction to bee stings - not the I might die from 1 sting but I typically swell up a lot over a large area and have to get some treatment. Any suggestions?
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Yeah. I use the term bees for wasps and any other similar stinging, flying things. Figured I might get corrected on that. It's about 16' off the ground. It could be hit by those cans that can spray 25'. It's pretty warm here this time of year. Low is about 70 tonight but I see we have some lows around 60F in about a week. So maybe wait until then and have someone do it before dawn.
 

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That's a bald faced hornet nest. They're large, easily angered, and there are usually guards hanging around the entrance. When wearing a bee suit, they'll cling onto the face screen and use their stingers to SQUIRT venom on your face. Around here, $250 is a bargain to get rid of one of those.

DO NOT hose it down with Raid. This "paper" nest is constructed to withstand the weather, and any amount of dousing the exterior will do nothing but piss off any hornets inside. They have a tiered umbrella like structure inside that will drain off liquids without harming them, so even spraying liquid straight into the entrance won't touch the upper tiers.

Within reach of a spray can, a pro would normally use Wasp Freeze or something better like that, but only to pause their inevitable attack long enough to cut it down and bag it. That high up, a Dust Stick with some Delta Dust would have it quiet in a day if you can find an exterminator who'll do that. Dust is your best bet here. Dust will drift up and all around the inside, reaching and poisoning the hornets in a way that no spray can.

The last one I removed, I put on a bee suit at night (when the workers have all returned home), put a floodlight on the ground, and kept emptying a can of Spectracide Pro directly into the entrance as they tried to exit and get me. Eventually when the opening was too clogged with dead workers for any more to escape (unless you hit them directly with the spray, even the best stuff doesn't work too quickly), I took the opportunity to cut it down and drop it into a trash bag. Foaming spray would have been better for this use...

The garbage can was still buzzing days later, so I held onto it for a few weeks before putting it to the curb. So yeah, even emptying an entire can of something considerably better than Raid straight inside didn't wipe it out!

The good news is it is high up. Wasps and hornets tend to fly maybe 10 or 15 feet straight out of their entrance in the direction of the sun (which is always upwards; at least a little). If they bump into you in that space, you WILL be stung, but since your nest is high up, you should be relatively safe at ground level unless you make loud noises (like run a lawnmower) that upset them.

The bad news is that your nest is attached to your structure and isn't just tanged in some branches you can cut. This is bad, because even if you clog the entrance at the bottom with dead hornets like I described above, you will inevitably open up the nest as you scrape it down, creating too many new escape routes to block. But if you could use a bellows duster to kill the occupants first, you could safely return some days later and cut it down.
 
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That's a bald faced hornet nest. They're large, easily angered, and there are usually guards hanging around the entrance. When wearing a bee suit, they'll cling onto the face screen and use their stingers to SQUIRT venom on your face. Around here, $250 is a bargain to get rid of one of those.

DO NOT hose it down with Raid. This "paper" nest is constructed to withstand the weather, and any amount of dousing the exterior will do nothing but piss off any hornets inside. They have a tiered umbrella like structure inside that will drain off liquids without harming them, so even spraying liquid straight into the entrance won't touch the upper tiers.

Within reach of a spray can, a pro would normally use Wasp Freeze or something better like that, but only to pause their inevitable attack long enough to cut it down and bag it. That high up, a Dust Stick with some Delta Dust would have it quiet in a day if you can find an exterminator who'll do that. Dust is your best bet here. Dust will drift up and all around the inside, reaching and poisoning the hornets in a way that no spray can.

The last one I removed, I put on a bee suit at night (when the workers have all returned home), put a floodlight on the ground, and kept emptying a can of Spectracide Pro directly into the entrance as they tried to exit and get me. Eventually when the opening was too clogged with dead workers for any more to escape (unless you hit them directly with the spray, even the best stuff doesn't work too quickly), I took the opportunity to cut it down and drop it into a trash bag. Foaming spray would have been better for this use...

The garbage can was still buzzing days later, so I held onto it for a few weeks before putting it to the curb. So yeah, even emptying an entire can of something considerably better than Raid straight inside didn't wipe it out!

The good news is it is high up. Wasps and hornets tend to fly maybe 10 or 15 feet straight out of their entrance in the direction of the sun (which is always upwards; at least a little). If they bump into you in that space, you WILL be stung, but since your nest is high up, you should be relatively safe at ground level unless you make loud noises (like run a lawnmower) that upset them.

The bad news is that your nest is attached to your structure and isn't just tanged in some branches you can cut. This is bad, because even if you clog the entrance at the bottom with dead hornets like I described above, you will inevitably open up the nest as you scrape it down, creating too many new escape routes to block. But if you could use a bellows duster to kill the occupants first, you could safely return some days later and cut it down.
Sounds like a job for a pro. A man's got to know his limitations. :)

$250 was before they saw it. Not sure they even wanted the job at any price after seeing a picture - my wife talked to them.

I will ask about dust when calling around. Thanks!
 

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I had a nest like that on an outbuilding once. The flight path was above my head. I left them alone, they left me alone, nest died when cold weather came, I let the nest decay naturally.

KEH
 

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Wait till darker and cooled get a can of the streaming wasp killer. NOT THE FOAM ITS USELESS.
Then calmly focus the spray stream in the entrance hole only , don`t bother coating the outside.
Thats a big nest so may need a second helping the next evening.
I do this all the time ,never been stung and the nest always dies.
 

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professional. sometimes they use foaming soap that smothers them as they come out, and they will. No one wants to be outside when that is done - that means dogs, cats, people, goats, cows, horses etc.. That is a hornet nest, and a very big one. doing it wrong and someone can die.
 

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And it's funny you posted this thread today. I found a yellow jackets nest in my garage today too. They built it above the garage door, in a gap between the vinyl trim pieces. I didn't know it was there, so I walked in the garage, and stood near the door looking for a ball mount for my trailer in the corner. One little ******* smacked me in the face, and stung me under the chin. So I noticed a couple flying around the windows of the closed garage door, but I could HEAR a lot more buzzing around somewhere I couldn't see.
That's when I went outside and saw where they were coming and going. Couldn't find bee spray, so I used brake clean. Had to get closer than I'd liked, and as I was spraying the entrance, one landed on my index finger and stung me for the second time.
Got some bee spray while I was out today...
 

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Beekeeper here. A CO2 fire extinguisher will freeze them in place as well as suffocate them. After dark, put it over the entrance and fill it up. I would wear my beesuit :)
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This. Done it twice and it worked great. Done very quickly too. Delta Dust is good stuff but takes days to get them all. The CO2 works fast.
 

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For conversations sake, with one on a building, if you covered it in expanding foam insulation from a spray can would they all die in a couple days?

Completely covered it and sealed it.
 

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For conversations sake, with one on a building, if you covered it in expanding foam insulation from a spray can would they all die in a couple days?

Completely covered it and sealed it.
They can probably chew their way out of another entrance. I learned the hard way with carpenter bees, you don't want to trap them inside, they'll just make another hole for you to fix.
 

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I keep an old bald-face hornet nest in the barn. They die when the cold hits. But the other wasps don’t know that. These hornets are meat eaters, any other nests in their area will be raided and destroyed. Never seen a new nest in the barn. Nobody wants to be dinner.
 
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If I walked outside and saw something like that hanging from one of my eaves, the house would be listed for sale by the evening.
 

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pfft easy fix. flamethrower carb cleaner lol.

seriously i use a can of carb cleaner. it MELTS them basically.
 

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One trick I use for in-ground yellow jackets is to fill a tube with Sevin then blow it into the hole (after dark). You might have been able to do this with a long pole and an air compressor. The shop-vac trick has also worked well though you have to let it run awhile.
 

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One trick I use for in-ground yellow jackets is to fill a tube with Sevin then blow it into the hole (after dark). You might have been able to do this with a long pole and an air compressor. The shop-vac trick has also worked well though you have to let it run awhile.

Ground nests you can pump up a 2 gallon sprayer (with liquid sevin or malathion) and lock the trigger with the wand in the hole. It dumps about a gallon before the pressure subsides.

That's of course only suggested if your wife says no to burning them out with gasoline.
 

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Ground nests are bad. I saw a guy use liquid nitrogen on a ground nest. It worked great and when the nest was dug up it was huge. Took a couple of hits from the nitrogen to get them all.
 

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I had LARGE yellow jacket nests removed from the old house on a couple of different occasions. Cost me about $150 each time. Money well spent in my estimation. I hate screwing around with bees even more than plumbing.
 

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I'm surprised at the term swapping between bees and hornet/wasps. I consider them to be vastly different. I can get along with bees and even have a couple hives.
Hornet/wasps are a different category. I hate em. They are ready to sting so dang quick. I've developed a keen eye to their line hover. Those buggers seem to have a mission to sting.

Those long spray cans are awesome if the nest is close enough to hit them. I've done a couple nests from a ladder at night, but it still makes me nervous. I get close enough to spray inside the opening and keep spraying until the buggers start dropping. I don't like playing the game on a tall ladder. It's harder to sneak out of range if a few are hovering around.
Whatever trick you use, just get it done quickly and thoroughly. If you mess around with a piddly torch you'll probably get zapped. Shotgun talk is cheap too. Those you miss will just be pissed and you still have to patch the holes. ;)
 

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Yep then we see him on YouTube under things dumb homeowners did when his house burns down
cmon i was only kidding

but seriously bee spray unless you have a commercial version wasps/hornets laugh at you-it doesnt kill them quick enough. carb cleaner does. they literally drop the moment they are hit
 

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I had a next like that under My deck. I did not bother them, and they did not bother Me. After a while, they left on their own. After cold weather set in, I just took the nest down. It was empty
 

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for ground wasps flood the hole with hot soapy water and use a pump up sprayer of soapy water to spray the fliers. Wear a bee suit. For hornets a large sprayer with soap and water can be used to disarm as many as possible then cut the nest down and put it in a 5 gallon bucket of soapy water. The soap makes it so they cannot breathe and they go down pretty fast. Wear a bee suit and glasses and/or a face shield too. Make sure all animals and people are indoors in a safe place before beginning.

To the OP, keep an eye on that area for a week or two, to make sure none come back to try to rebuild. Some insects can generate a new queen from a worker if the queen is killed.
 

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If you can wait until fall then may be much easier to deal with. Below around 50 they tend to really be sluggish and much easier to deal with. I wait until that temp to pop the top off my 250gal LP tank and spray the bastards that took up residence.
 
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