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fullthrottle24

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Just picked up this prentiss 50 for $20 today. The guy had a Reed 104r with the dynamic jaw snapped off but the jaw serrations looked brand new. I may go back and get it cause he said he was going to scrap it! The prentiss went in to the purple power for a couple day bath.
Rock Island handle and screw look huge on that prentiss!
 

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...I found/created a graphic that matched the ones I saw for new Wilton Tradesman vises. After polishing some thin aluminum plate to a near mirror finish, I created a waterslide decal on clear media. I coated this with 4 layers of clear gloss acrylic and applied it to the polished aluminum. This made a decent facsimile of the Wilton tag, For protection I coated it with some 2K clear coat...

Ross, the vise looks terrific! But even the "before" image is pretty nice in its own right.

Your recreated Wilton tag looks OEM -- that's a nice touch. Have you found that the ink-jetted waterslide decal paper tolerates clearcoats with no cockling or attack? Are all waterslide substrates created equal?
 
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RossinSD

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The waterslide decal paper I used is available on Amazon [Sunnyscopa Waterslide Decal Paper for INKJET Printer - CLEAR]. It is made by a Korean company [www.sunnyscopa.com] that also offers the paper in white. It works well with my Epson printer since the ink is pigmented and not a dye. I use the "glossy" print setting to put down more ink than the normal plain paper setting does. The film layer is too fragile unless it is coated with multiple coats of something like "Krylon K01303A07 Crystal Clear Acrylic Coating". This dries quickly and 4-5 coats gives a decal with good dimensional stability. Since you are making a whole sheet of these, I suggest printing extra and removing any that don't go on perfectly while they are wet. After application, don't blot or touch the decal. Just leave it alone for a few hours and it will bond to the substrate (highly polished aluminum in my case). The decal needs further protection and more of the Krylon can be used or even better use a 2K clear coat for a tough protective layer. I like "Spray max USC 2k High Gloss Clearcoat" which can also be ordered from Amazon or found at a local body shop.
 

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Patrickm82

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Also this winter project. Reed 104r snapped in half. The jaws are still sharp and is great other wise. The guy was going to scrap it and I gave him $20 to save it. It will be a good outdoors vise after some nickel rodsIMG_4644.jpegIMG_4645.jpegIMG_4646.jpeg
 

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Also this winter project. Reed 104r snapped in half. The jaws are still sharp and is great other wise. The guy was going to scrap it and I gave him $20 to save it. It will be a good outdoors vise after some nickel rodsIMG_4644.jpegIMG_4645.jpegIMG_4646.jpeg
Whats up with those jaws? It loooks like the just checkered the casting. Are they cast in? I would have been all over it for $20. Good find.
 

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I would've loved to have seen the live production when that Reed was snapped.---Better yet, be there filming it.---With the right weld or braze, you can still get a lot of use out of it.---Beaters like that are like real real ugly girls.---If they leave you, you won't mind.---If the vise breaks again, it won't sting so bad.
 
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I would've loved to have seen the live production when that Reed was snapped.---Better yet, be there filming it.---With the right weld or braze, you can still get a lot of use out of it.---Beaters like that are like real real ugly girls.---If they leave you, you won't mind.---If the vise breaks again, it won't sting so bad.
I’ll get her fixed up nice. It’ll become a nice outdoor vise.
 

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Patrick: I don't know what happened to your vise either, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that someone tried to use it as a press.
It looks like someone used JB Weld to try to repair it. If you can get it decently fixed then go for it.
 

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PRENTISS BULLDOG VISE RESTORATION: EPILOG



Here's the finished restoration. The last thing that I made was a base adaptor, out of wood, to allow the vise to be mounted on any bench without notching the bench top, for the gusset under the vise. This vise is good for another 94+ years. It currently has a new home.

Was it worth it? Monetarily, NO. The labor & machine hours invested is far more that the fair resale price. However, the satisfaction of saving this vise from the scrap yard is priceless..



I hope that this was an informative thread and some of the methods I used help with restoration challenges that you guys & gals may come across while restoring your vises.
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From Mark’s restoration. My Prentiss Bulldog maybe has faint remnants of the stampingIMG_5283.jpeg
 

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I too thought it looked like they tried to used epoxy to put it back together.:LOL:
 

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Patrickm82: I have a very nice Reed 214R [filer's vise]. It too has almost mint jaw serrations.
The dynamic is close to becoming a two-piece item like your 204R..

What is amazing is just how much metal is in this location and yet the vice failed.
Looking at my vise, the crack is complete all the way around the bottom of the dynamic but not at top of the slide where
it becomes the jaw tower. This implies that the forces that caused the crack were directly opposite clamping forces.
I cannot imaging what could have been done to this vise to cause the crack, and not leave a very noticable mark on some other part of the vise.
The only vague possibility is that the vise was dropped onto the top face of the dynamic jaw square onto a solid floor, causing enough force to attempt to separate the jaw tower from the slide..

PierceA

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Hi Va. I have owned it for several years. And will not use it at all until it is repaired as you described.
I am a bit concerned that as much metal as is shown on Patrickm82's vise, that I can pre-heat it adequately for a good weld.
I'm a bit dismayed that as late a vise as this Reed is, that the iron quality was not better.

PierceA
 

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Hi Va. I have owned it for several years. And will not use it at all until it is repaired as you described.
I am a bit concerned that as much metal as is shown on Patrickm82's vise, that I can pre-heat it adequately for a good weld.
I'm a bit dismayed that as late a vise as this Reed is, that the iron quality was not better.

PierceA
Gas BBQ grills work great for preheating!
 

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I just picked up my third Woden vise so far this year. I'm not sure why they seem to be turning up lately, maybe I've just noticed them more after being so impressed with the brand after finding the first one this spring at the Portland swap meet. This one is a B/3 which is a 4" vise. Pretty sure the simple B/X numbering system is earlier than the 186B/X on the size 1 and 4 vises. They have all taken a bit of repair to function well but none had any serious breaks. Good solid vises with a very good swivel lock system which is much better than the lock on my 6" Paramo that otherwise is similar. A few pics. Ed.
 

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Patrickm82

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Hi Va. I have owned it for several years. And will not use it at all until it is repaired as you described.
I am a bit concerned that as much metal as is shown on Patrickm82's vise, that I can pre-heat it adequately for a good weld.
I'm a bit dismayed that as late a vise as this Reed is, that the iron quality was not better.

PierceA
Here is a close up of the 2 pieces. Went back into a purple power bath because it seemed to be breaking down the jb weld or epoxy the po put on there. IMG_4653.jpeg
 

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I’ve seen so many USA made vices snap in the way shown above, is it a fault in the style, I dont recall seeing any UK made vices snap like that, it might be the towers on the typical USA made vice are taller, or inferior iron
 

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I’ve seen so many USA made vices snap in the way shown above, is it a fault in the style, I dont recall seeing any UK made vices snap like that, it might be the towers on the typical USA made vice are taller, or inferior iron
Good old American ingenuity, sometimes has it's shortcomings. We come up with creative ways to use them of which they were never intended.
 

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Here is a close up of the 2 pieces. Went back into a purple power bath because it seemed to be breaking down the jb weld or epoxy the po put on there. IMG_4653.jpeg
I feel your pain. I’m working on a prentiss 75 that apparently was at the center of Manhattan experiment detonation. The static tower was completely blown out. I attempted to repair it this afternoon. It’s cooling in a big dirt pile after several nomacast rods. I welded the dynamic on my starrett 323-1/2 as well. It can be made useable again. Good luck!IMG_0874.jpeg
 

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Found this real nice Prentiss no. 2 swivel jaw at the flea market today. Awesome jaws, only took a few minutes to get the pin out and the swivel jaw freed up. What years did they use the graffiti lettering?
 

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I’ve seen so many USA made vices snap in the way shown above, is it a fault in the style, I dont recall seeing any UK made vices snap like that, it might be the towers on the typical USA made vice are taller, or inferior iron
Naw, I am fairly certain… in order most likely; this is resultant of the previous user/abuser, or may be an accidentally dropping/mishandling, or lastly, manufacture defect.
Found this real nice Prentiss no. 2 swivel jaw at the flea market today. Awesome jaws, only took a few minutes to get the pin out and the swivel jaw freed up. What years did they use the graffiti lettering?
I’ll start with the obligatory “you suk.” Glad ya got her! Great save, Man. 🫡 🤜🤛
 
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