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Dan, this was one thing that drove me up a freakin' wall when I had my speed shop/business. People would come by or call and ask my opinion. Often times my suggestion was not the cheapest or easiest solution but I always tried to shoot straight and provide what I thought was the "best" or long-term solution to their issue. They would go to several other people or shops because those shops would do the easy stuff and take the money for it then send them out the door knowing they'd probably not see them again. Afterwards they would come back to me and ask me to do the job I originally quoted but with the caveat that I needed to "go easy" on them or give them a break because they just spend all this money at other shops. :dunno: I usually held my tongue but what I wanted to say was "are you shitting me???? You spent unnecessary money doing the wrong things and I'm supposed to take it in the *** and cut you a break???" :rolleyes:

I'm not gonna lie, I don't miss that one bit and that was a while ago, the way people are today I think this is much more prevalent of a mindset.
Nobody likes to hear "buy once cry once", but it applies frequently.
 
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Funny you mention that specifically Harry. My wife and I were talking a few weeks ago after I read her one of the comments. I told her I didn't think I was condescending or belittling I just didn't want to see the person make a mistake that I knew was going to happen if they went down that path (been there and knew).

She said she knows what I meant but for those who don't know me some of my responses can sound a lot like arrogance as it is a fine line between confidence and arrogance. I have really tried not to be arrogant over the years and have tried to help others from a humble and sincere point of view. However, I guess it doesn't always come across that way. :unsure:




Dan, this was one thing that drove me up a freakin' wall when I had my speed shop/business. People would come by or call and ask my opinion. Often times my suggestion was not the cheapest or easiest solution but I always tried to shoot straight and provide what I thought was the "best" or long-term solution to their issue. They would go to several other people or shops because those shops would do the easy stuff and take the money for it then send them out the door knowing they'd probably not see them again. Afterwards they would come back to me and ask me to do the job I originally quoted but with the caveat that I needed to "go easy" on them or give them a break because they just spend all this money at other shops. :dunno: I usually held my tongue but what I wanted to say was "are you shitting me???? You spent unnecessary money doing the wrong things and I'm supposed to take it in the *** and cut you a break???" :rolleyes:

I'm not gonna lie, I don't miss that one bit and that was a while ago, the way people are today I think this is much more prevalent of a mindset.
That is the #1 reason I burned out on my performance business. It was a never ending task / battle of quoting a proper build only to have them take that info and go somewhere else for less. Then after that went to **** come to me to fix it and whine about not having any money to fix it right.
 
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Nobody likes to hear "buy once cry once", but it applies frequently.

Agreed. I see/hear it all too often now in the Jeep world and the #1 reason I got our of our local Jeep club. All people wanted was the cheapest lift kit or lights with no thought about learning how to actually drive the damn thing in stock form and learn its capabilities as well as develop their own driving techniques. NOOO. Have to lift it and do it as cheap as possible. I tried to convey the message that the cheapest one usually turns out to be the most expensive in the long run because after a trip or two it will be clapped out and neeeding either the bushings replaced, rebuilt or a completely new system.

I tried to get them thinking that use the time while saving up for a good quality suspension system to develop a driving technique and improve those skills, but nope. Then six months later they want a "good" lift kit and so on. The old adage lights before lockers is alive and well here locally. :rolleyes: I said enough it enough and left the club two years ago and haven't looked back. I do miss a few of the club members that we enjoyed wheeling with but the vast majority of the ones that joined between 2000-2002 were hopeless and idiotic at best.

That is the #1 reason I burned out on my performance business. It was a never ending task / battle of quoting a proper build only to have them take that info and go somewhere else for less. Then after that went to **** come to me to fix it and whine about not having any money to fix it right.

I was very fortunate for the most part Cam. The majority of my clients were very loyal and came to me because they appreciated the workmanship and mindset towards their assets. However, I did work by referrals and word of mouth and every once in a while, I would get a new client and they had to go through the cherry-picking process and I either fired them as a client or they learned how I do things.

Either way I don't miss that since closing my shop.
 

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Funny you mention that specifically Harry. My wife and I were talking a few weeks ago after I read her one of the comments. I told her I didn't think I was condescending or belittling I just didn't want to see the person make a mistake that I knew was going to happen if they went down that path (been there and knew).

She said she knows what I meant but for those who don't know me some of my responses can sound a lot like arrogance as it is a fine line between confidence and arrogance. I have really tried not to be arrogant over the years and have tried to help others from a humble and sincere point of view. However, I guess it doesn't always come across that way. :unsure:




Dan, this was one thing that drove me up a freakin' wall when I had my speed shop/business. People would come by or call and ask my opinion. Often times my suggestion was not the cheapest or easiest solution but I always tried to shoot straight and provide what I thought was the "best" or long-term solution to their issue. They would go to several other people or shops because those shops would do the easy stuff and take the money for it then send them out the door knowing they'd probably not see them again. Afterwards they would come back to me and ask me to do the job I originally quoted but with the caveat that I needed to "go easy" on them or give them a break because they just spend all this money at other shops. :dunno: I usually held my tongue but what I wanted to say was "are you shitting me???? You spent unnecessary money doing the wrong things and I'm supposed to take it in the *** and cut you a break???" :rolleyes:

I'm not gonna lie, I don't miss that one bit and that was a while ago, the way people are today I think this is much more prevalent of a mindset.
Mike, I've been told I'm the same by some. Sometimes I'm not good at explaining things so I go into details and drag it out so it makes sense. At least to me. And when having conversations I'm honest and direct, which comes across wrong sometimes. An example I've caught myself doing is a friend or family will be talking about something they did or got. And I may have first hand knowledge of it not being good or have had an issue with it. So I tell them why. I've been told that is rude and I'm negative. I'm not negative and truly just trying to help them. I've learned to keep my mouth shut I'm these situations and just let them learn for themselves unless they are specifically asking me for advice.
That is the #1 reason I burned out on my performance business. It was a never ending task / battle of quoting a proper build only to have them take that info and go somewhere else for less. Then after that went to **** come to me to fix it and whine about not having any money to fix it right.
Same way in the trades a lot of times. I remember way back when I went out on my own and everyone wanted a free quote. Would spend hours doing quote after quote and I wasn't even bidding high, needed the work. Only to not get hardly any of those jobs. Luckily got some jobs for people I knew and word of mouth did the rest. I'm fortunate now where I don't have to quote anything. Get a call and start the job and give final bill. Most people I work for I've been doing work for for many years. Same with the auto repairs I do. People just drop car off and say fix it. They know it will be done right and I charge fair. I charge almost as much as the local shops but they know it's fair and I don't make charges up. Way back when I started my construction I got tired of the quote game so I had given up and got a job I was that tired of playing games. Still did jobs for people I knew and then things fell into place. I won't ever do the quote thing again. I will give rough estimates if asked but no detailed quotes to stick to. That doesn't mean I run the bill up because it's open. Often times clients will add work so I just add it to the bill.
 

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Thank you @Mr.zippy . I understand rules are rules but I'm not throwing frivolous videos up to gain revenue. I was honestly trying to assist other coach owners on maintenance items and to instill some pride of ownership if possible. I guess I'm done there. Sad because my thread on the Monaco sub-forum is one of the longest running and highest viewed threads so I'll just quit posting.



Thanks Cam.



I agree Bob. Every ad that pops up during visits is revenue for them.


Hell, this morning I even got a slap on the wrist again for mentioning site moderation yesterday.

I had made a post mentioning that the video was removed by moderators and all I was trying to so was help fellow coach owners with maintenance items and it was removed plus I got a nice private message saying that is another no-no.

F**k 'em. Kinda ***** the joy out of participating that's for sure.
I’d immediately ask for my content to be removed and my account to be closed. That forum is clearly not taking the members interest in their RV’s as a priority.

Great YouTube video Mike (as well as the pictures of the process here)!
 
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I’d immediately ask for my content to be removed and my account to be closed. That forum is clearly not taking the members interest in their RV’s as a priority.

Great YouTube video Mike (as well as the pictures of the process here)!

Thanks Anders. I appreciate your continued support on my channel as well as here. I have waffled on sending such a message but I am still on the fence. I've been a contributing member there for 14+ years and it's hard for me to throw that away in a knee-jerk reaction, regardless of how bad it pissed me off.

Yeah, good luck with that. They know they can monetize the content (which they own the instant you hit "Post reply")...why would they give it up?

True Scott. I hadn't thought about that, but my thread may draw people to the forum as it comes up when Googling specific words associated with Monaco Dynasty maintenance, modifications, issues, etc.

I was met with such a warm welcome to the other group that I joined and I was shocked that my name and videos were already very well known amongst the group as some of my videos and links to posts on that other forum being linked when certain topics came up.

I was shocked when the site owner and one of the moderators reached out to me and asked if I would be willing to link some of my RV repair/modification videos to their site's video library as they were very familiar with them and felt as though they would add value to the site's technical library. That was a complete shock to me so early in my time there.

I have followed a group called WOG (Wanderlodge Owners Group) for a while on YouTube and browsed their website on occasion. I am so impressed with the vast amount of knowledge, wisdom and information that group shares amongst themselves while trying to keep their older coaches on the road. As passionate as I am about RV's, Monaco and diesel pushers in particular, I had longed to belong to such a group where the members are all truly interested in properly maintaining and caring for their aging coaches and I feel as though I found such a place and community.

Between the general RV forums that have every type, size and brand as well as the Facebook RV pages, it seems as though most people are there to have one question quickly answered by the group because they are in a pickle and then never heard from again. Just takers being takers and not giving back, whereas the group I have now been accepted into seem to be genuinely interested in sharing information and helping others to maintain their coaches. My wife seems to think the group is a bit more technical and mechanical, like the group here, and therefore a much better fit for me as they seem to be more like-minded people compared to the other RV forums. I think she may be right.
 

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Mike, I totally understand your passion and attention to details when it comes to maintenance on things and especially RV's.
Last week at the request of my wife, I flew to Rhode Island to drive a 2004 Fleetwood Discovery to Charleston, SC for Laura's widow friend. I got 2 hours to walk around and get familiar with the coach before departure. Many maintenance items had bee recently completed for the trip south but I still broke down a few hours into the trip. It wound up taking me 3 days to get to SC instead of 16 hours.

I have known Randy from the WOG on a different forum for almost 15 years. He is a great 100% stand up guy and you and he are quite similar and would get along just great.

I have spent almost 45 years in the marine industry both on the recreational side as well as commercial. I no longer spend any time marine related forums on the internet. You see someone getting ready to make a bad choice or getting poor information from someone that has no clue. Then you try to explain why the choice or information is not the best way and you get jumped on by the keyboard commandos. I can totally relate to your frustration with the RV forums.

Please don't limit your commentary or content here, while I've had tools in my hands for over 60 years, I always learn something new when I read your thread. You always have a way of showing why going the last inch on a mile long project is so important.
 
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Mike, I totally understand your passion and attention to details when it comes to maintenance on things and especially RV's.
Last week at the request of my wife, I flew to Rhode Island to drive a 2004 Fleetwood Discovery to Charleston, SC for Laura's widow friend. I got 2 hours to walk around and get familiar with the coach before departure. Many maintenance items had bee recently completed for the trip south but I still broke down a few hours into the trip. It wound up taking me 3 days to get to SC instead of 16 hours.

I have known Randy from the WOG on a different forum for almost 15 years. He is a great 100% stand up guy and you and he are quite similar and would get along just great.

I have spent almost 45 years in the marine industry both on the recreational side as well as commercial. I no longer spend any time marine related forums on the internet. You see someone getting ready to make a bad choice or getting poor information from someone that has no clue. Then you try to explain why the choice or information is not the best way and you get jumped on by the keyboard commandos. I can totally relate to your frustration with the RV forums.

Please don't limit your commentary or content here, while I've had tools in my hands for over 60 years, I always learn something new when I read your thread. You always have a way of showing why going the last inch on a mile long project is so important.

Thanks Mac.

Funny you mentioned Randy from WOG, I have watched his videos and exchanged a few pleasantries in the comments sections and although I have had no face-to-face interaction with him, my impressions of him being a standup guy and a straight-shooting are confirmed by you. I am beyond flattered that you even put he and I in the same paragraph.

Thank you.
 
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So the last couple of nights have been spent under the coach and not much opportunity to take pictures.

We had a pretty good cool down in temperatures here along the Wasatch Front yesterday so on Wednesday night after work my plans were to get the lawns mowed, possibly for the last time this season, and then take the deck patio furniture indoors before heading out into the shop.

Well with the time change I don't have but about an hour after work before it's dark and that just wasn't enough time. I was able to get the front yard mowed and about a quarter of the rear before dark so I ended up sticking my magnetic flashlight to the front of the riding mower to finish the back lawn. :rolleyes: Good thing it was the back yard or the neighbors would have thought I lost my mind. :ROFLMAO:

Yesterday I was able to snap a couple pictures of the back yard as I was surprised at how green the lawn is still this late in the season. Our trees have dropped all their leaves and as soon as my neighbor's trees drop then I'm sure I'll be back out there raking those up hopefully before snow flies.
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Patio furniture put away from the deck.
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My solvent showed up that was ordered earlier in the week. I need to exchange some solvent and clean the barrel out as I noticed a decrease in flow the over the past few jobs, even after replacing the side filter on the tank. The last time we drained, cleaned and exchanged fluids were just before we closed down the old shop and moved so it's been 7 years now. I try to keep my solvent clean by scraping all the big stuff off into the garbage before it ever hits the solvent tank so I can attribute the long life to that I guess. If you notice in the background, you'll see the sight tube for my oil drain catch is empty as I also took the used oil to my local NAPA yesterday and disposed of it.
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I could then commence greasing of the coach's chassis. This is not the most pleasant of tasks as it is quite tight quarters under there. All of the zerks and lube points took grease well and after giving the rest of the chassis a good once over I only noticed a couple items I would like to address. I noticed a small tear in the rubber on the generator's exhaust hanger so I will pick up a replacement and change that out as well as all new ride height linkages. The linkages are 22-years old now with 140k+ miles and the rubber on the ends are just starting to show some cracking so I think I will replace them before we start traveling in the spring as when one of those break and the coach doesn't come up to ride height it is a real PITA so I'd much rather do it in the shop than on the side of the road, even though I carry a spare linkage.
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I noticed a bit of corrosion on one of the Cole Hersee battery disconnects, so I removed the battery cables, cleaned with wire brush and reassembled and coated with NOCO NCP-2 gel.
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Mike, even though not everyone in the GJ is into RV's we all appreciate your technical explanations of the processes involved in owning and maintaining one of those godless, money-sucking, rolling mobile campgrounds. ;)

I hear ya Scott. They're definitely somewhat of a money pit and I don't recommend people getting into RV'ing unless they are willing to really put in the time maintaining them. They're an expensive asset to let rot away or deteriorate and letting them sit is probably about the worst thing for them.

For the wife and I however, it's not just a hobby, it's a lifestyle. Some of our best friends are people we've met RV'ing that we met on the road and the places we have been blessed to see from the luxury of our own rolling home are breathtaking.
 
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I have owned three RV's, my experience with the last one put me off ever owning another... brand new Super C lemon the manufacturer ended up buying back...

But I do appreciate the lifestyle.

Yeah, I followed that debacle and felt for ya Scott. I can see where that experience would turn someone off for good.

I think I broke my son as well. I've been fortunate to have been able to have him help me over the years but in a conversation with him a few years ago he swore that he would never own one of those "damn money pits". :ROFLMAO: I think it was when we were replacing the 10 air springs under the coach. I guess I should be thankful that we taught him to be frugal. :unsure:

I have to admit it though, I miss his help. The overhead took much longer than I had planned and last night crawling under it while greasing the chassis really made me feel it this morning.
 

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It didn't even make it to it's first scheduled oil change... so it wasn't a question of maintenance.
Imagine camping in a brand new all-electric coach with no electrical power... even when you're plugged in to shore power. (At 17°F in Odessa TX in January.)AFTER it had already been back to the factory for the same issue. Followed by the next 5 months in the dealer's shop...then back to the factory for 3 more months... arrived back here with even more electrical issues ... sorry, we're done. :mad:

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It didn't even make it to it's first scheduled oil change... so it wasn't a question of maintenance.
Imagine camping in a brand new all-electric coach with no electrical power... even when you're plugged in to shore power. (At 17°F in Odessa TX in January.)AFTER it had already been back to the factory for the same issue. Followed by the next 5 months in the dealer's shop...then back to the factory for 3 more months... arrived back here with even more electrical issues ... sorry, we're done. :mad:

Apologies for the thread hijack, we now return to our regularly scheduled programing of z-awesomeness.

Yeah, that would frustrate me and piss me off beyond belief.
 

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Yeah, I followed that debacle and felt for ya Scott. I can see where that experience would turn someone off for good.

I think I broke my son as well. I've been fortunate to have been able to have him help me over the years but in a conversation with him a few years ago he swore that he would never own one of those "damn money pits". :ROFLMAO: I think it was when we were replacing the 10 air springs under the coach. I guess I should be thankful that we taught him to be frugal. :unsure:

I have to admit it though, I miss his help. The overhead took much longer than I had planned and last night crawling under it while greasing the chassis really made me feel it this morning.
I’ll count myself as lucky. When I moved out to Phoenix right out of high school to go to trade school I worked for a guy converting old buses into Vegas round trippers. Crawling around inside them crimy engine cavities cured me of ever wanting to do large equipment repair for life.
 

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I’ll count myself as lucky. When I moved out to Phoenix right out of high school to go to trade school I worked for a guy converting old buses into Vegas round trippers. Crawling around inside them crimy engine cavities cured me of ever wanting to do large equipment repair for life.
So you chose prison instead? :ROFLMAO:
 
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When I moved out to Phoenix right out of high school to go to trade school

I didn't know you lived in AZ prior to your last move out here. And to think you went back to CA for so many years.....




Mike, you know as well as anyone that enthusiasts forums are chock full of egos. Haters are gonna hate on the guys that get attention. Instead of asking questions and learning they chose to be dickeheads. It is what it is. Jealousy is alive and well. I've made friends with guys on this forum (and others) that have forgotten more than I'll ever know on various topics. Having "internet friends" has been a lifesaver many times.
 
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I was able to get a few small things done in the shop over the weekend.

Saturday morning I thought I'd get the headlights polished on the wife's Acura. They weren't terrible but I noticed a few weeks ago when I was adjusting the valves that they were showing a bit of fogginess in the lenses and with the time change she now leaves and arrives home in the dark so I wanted to ensure her lighting is as good as it can possibly be.

Polishing products out and the headlight surrounds masked off for protection.
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They weren't terrible but just needed a little touching up for that ultimate clarity.
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A few years ago I went through my shop and updated the entire air system with the Prevost high volume connectors and fittings, but I keep finding ones here and there that haven't been converted yet. Evidently I haven't used these two tools in a few years. :unsure:
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New high flow fittings installed and ready to go to work.
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I started with the P3000 Tri-zak wet sanding discs as the headlights weren't that badly fogged.
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The P3000 was just enough to cut through the light oxidation.
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Next I moved directly to the course polishing compound with a white foam polishing pad.
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They're already looking better.
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After the final polishing compound with the black foam pad everything was unmasked.
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And the front of the car was wiped down with some Final Inspection to remove the compounding splatter.
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While I was changing the oil on the coach's Onan 10kw genset the other day I noted that the exhaust hanger was deteriorating and the rubber was about to fail. I didn't want all that length of exhaust pipe hanging off the head of the engine so I made a trip to my local NAPA and picked up a new exhaust hanger and clamp, both of which they had in stock.

Original exhaust hanger with venerator fuel lines held with Adel clamp and zip-tie.
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The cracking rubber was almost through one part of the hanger.
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New hanger installed along with new clamp w/anti-seize on the threads.
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Here the deteriorated rubber is more evident.
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Oil filter removed and sealing surface wiped down. Nothing spilled down the side of the genny or into the lower tray.
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New NAPA Gold filter installed and ready to fill the genny with fresh oil. Onan recommends replacing the oil every 150 hours in this Kubota 3-cylinder engine but I've replaced it every 100 hours since we purchased the coach. The genset has just over 3000 hours now and still going strong.
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We went to breakfast with my son, DIL and grandson yesterday then I conned my son into helping me swap out the solvent in the solvent tank and clean the sludge from the bottom. The last time we replaced the solvent was 7 years ago as we were closing our last shop down. I ended up pumping about 10+ gallons off the top that didn't look that bad and disposed of the rest.
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I didn't use the solvent tank this past week to allow the solids to settle to the bottom.
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That was not the cleanest of jobs but one I am glad we don't have to do all that often. Spilled only a little bit that we had to clean up, otherwise it went relatively well.
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I couldn't have done that without the help of my son. I tried lifting the top off on Saturday but it was too heavy and awkward and I could just see myself dumping the entire drum over and having 20+ gallons of solvent flooding across the shop floor. 🤬
 
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When I arrived home yesterday my new sandbag filters had arrived.

I installed one in the solvent tank.
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And turned the tank's pump on to let it filter for a while. It's pretty clean starting out. Now if the combo filter will show up the solvent tank should be ready for hopefully another 7 or so years. ;)
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My son said he started getting a slight pedal pulsation in his brakes so he brought his truck over and racked it so we could check it out. The runout wasn't terrible at .003" but more than we like.
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Next we removed the rotor to ensure there wasn't anything under the mounting surface and to check the bearing flange to make sure it was not the culprit. Nope, the hub flange was pretty much spot on with barely any needle deviation.
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Next moved to the rear to check runout. Right at what I consider the limit @ .002".
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Thickness variation checked at 4 spots around the circumference tells me there was also a very slight thickness variation, but not terrible. Between .0015" and .002" at the most but enough to cause some slight feeling in the pedal.
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Pedal pulsation on my Ram turned out to be the right rear ABS sensor. Relatively cheap fix.
Good luck on your son's truck.

Thanks Scott. This is going the be the front rotors as he said he could feel it ever so slightly in the steering wheel when stopping. The runout readings and thickness variations pretty much confirmed it. I'll pick up parts today and it should start going back together tonight. He's also replacing all rubber brake lines with stainless steel at the same time. We got the rears done last night and still have the fronts to do along with flushing the fluid as it's been a couple years since we flushed the brake fluid last.
 
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I hope everyone had a happy and safe Thanksgiving holiday this past week.

The wife and I were able to enjoy a nice long weekend as I said F**k it and took a couple days off last week as I had a couple of vacation days that I will lose at the end of the year if I don't use them.

Our kids and grandson as well as FIL and wife's aunt were able to join us for Thanksgiving dinner, so it was nice to have loved ones around the table this year, especially this being our grandson's first Thanksgiving. And having him eating solid food made it that much more enjoyable watching him devour his grandmother's awesome cooking.

I generally don't know my way around the kitchen but tried to assist my wife with the cooking on Thanksgiving as she was a little stressed.

My job consisted of peeling the taters and cooking the ham and turkey breast, which I abliged.
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Like usual, she made way too much food but we sent the kids and aunt home with leftovers. We have SO much to be thankful for this year.
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My son and his little family as we were finishing up dinner. Our grandson is such a happy little guy and I couldn't be more proud of the parents my son and DIL have become.
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On Saturday we accompanied our kids as we traveled about 80 miles south to Orem, UT where a new temple was recently built. We attended the open house before it is dedicated and were able to spend some time as a family enjoying the temple grounds.
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Thanks for looking and I hope everyone had a blessed Thanksgiving.
 
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Friday my son came over so we could finish up his brakes and get his truck back on the road.

With the new parts in the shop we started by measuring the new rotors to set the emergency brake diameter.
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Then adjusted the E-brake shoes to the same diameter.
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Prior to setting the E-brakes we lightly sanded the shoes to get a clean new surface in which to run on the rear rotors. Also lubed the adjusting wheel and star a little to prevent corrosion buildup over time and applied a small amount of anti-seize to the hub's center to prevent corrosion sticking in the future.
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Caliper brackets installed with new anti-rattle hardware, new pads and a light coating of grease.
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With the rear's assembled we moved to the front for assembly. Also installed all new stainless steel hoses to replace the rubber flexible lines.
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Rear also got new stainless steel lines as well as new bleeder screws which were showing some corrosion. Then the brake fluid flush and bleeding process could begin.
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And the last of corner of the brakes were bled.
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Aftermarket wheels were given a cleaning as he is selling these.
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And his OEM wheels with Cooper A/T's installed just in time for winter weather.
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After getting his truck completed I gave the shop a good cleaning and ready to close up the shop for the weekend.
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Thanks for looking.
 
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Mike, I'm going to assume that the pedal pulsating and the steering wheel vibration are gone? Did you run the indicator on the new rotors when those were installed?

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Yes, pulsation is gone. I think my son threw the dial indicator on the new rotors while I was bleeding the system and cleaning tools up.

Went on our test drive loop and bedded the new brakes in and he should be go for a while now. Looking back at his notes, he saw that we had turned the front rotor and put pads all the way around when he bought the truck and we did the Cognito leveling kit and shocks but that was quite a few years ago and we had never had the rear rotors off of this truck, which explains why they were so stubborn to remove. :unsure:
 

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Glad you had a good weekend Mike. What is your bedding process? I've read different things over the years. I usually get up to about 50 and do some medium stops down to about 5 giving the brakes some time to cool between braking. Not sure if it's the recommended way or not but it's what I read one time and has seemed to work. But I know with your background and attention to detail you would be the person to ask.
 
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Glad you had a good weekend Mike. What is your bedding process? I've read different things over the years. I usually get up to about 50 and do some medium stops down to about 5 giving the brakes some time to cool between braking. Not sure if it's the recommended way or not but it's what I read one time and has seemed to work. But I know with your background and attention to detail you would be the person to ask.

My process is similar to yours Scott. I have two different test drive loops that I use, a short and long as my son and I refer to them. They both start out with a 35 MPH limit just outside our subdivision, then it goes to a 45 MPH road and then a 55 MPH road back to our 35 MPH road. Entire short loop is about 6 miles whereas the longer loop takes us to the next intersection west and is about 9 miles total which provides a slightly longer 45 MPH road with some nasty potholes as well as a shortly longer 55 MPH section back to our subdivision.

I start by hitting the 35 MPH section getting up to 35+ MPH and aggressively braking bringing it back to around 10 MPH. I do this multiple times until I get to the intersection of the 45 MPH road. What's nice is I have a good viewing range so I can time the stop sign where I can do a California stop around the stop sign, then get up to 45+ MPH and do the same aggressive braking back down to around 10 MPH. After about 4 of these stops on the 45 MPH section I usually just start to smell the brakes which is what I'm after. I then drive normal around 45 MPH for about 3 miles allowing the brakes to cool until I get to the 55 MPH section. Once I turn onto the 55 MPH section I do 2-3 more from 55 down to around 20 then the last several miles normal driving back home allowing the brakes to cool down. By that time I have a nice uniform transfer of material from the pads to the rotors in which to give the brakes the best chance for a nice even and quiet brake life.
 

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Happy Thanksgiving Mike! Looks like good times and good food out your way. I really liked the Moto Metals on your son's truck so I'm a bit sad to see them go. I had a set of them on my old '11 Silverado and always thought they were a nice clean, timeless wheel.
 
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