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Great to see you appear to have had a good Thanksgiving and you continue to show more progress then most of us far younger than you and who have less time in doc's office. Continue to appreciate your posts and depth and breadth of knowledge!

Very interested in any other positive experiences with inspection camera's....my current furnace troubleshooting had me bring out my probably 5 year old generic China junk inspection camera to remember why I wasn't impressed with it. Mediocre to poor quality, no built in light...all in all not overly helpful. I don't need super long reach, head diameter in that 3/8 or smaller is likely sufficient and fine with it being wired as I'm often using it like Bob shows hooked to a phone anyway so wireless is just another headache...anyone else got an inspection camera/endoscope they love?
THe furnace in the garage will be the first thing I use the inspection camera for. When the furnace is on, it has a loud popping noise that sounds like air is blowing back onto the flame. Carbon Monoxide detector doesn't go off when the furnace is on so I'm not too concern with CO poisoning, just the noise is obnoxious sometime.
 
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That's a mighty fine-looking family you have there Bob. Looks like it was a nice day surrounded by the family.
Thank you Mike! Our extended familes in New York and Wisconsin kept it to a manageable size with each generation stopping with two (one has four). It's really wonderful to see our four generations together.
Mine is a z52 triple black. Z52 is as close as you can get to the Z51 package on a vert. Pretty close actually, Biggest difference is the spring rates are lower.

It goes pretty good, for what it is. Corners like a rat in sneakers. But we bought it as a retirement car for the wife and I to take day trips on bright summer days.

I'm slowly working out al the "squeaks and creaks" in the plastic-y interior. Some of it is just a small felt pad here and there, some of it is replacement pieces of different material. I got rid of the "bread box" on the passenger dash and built my own "glove box":

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That's aluminum and while it looks good in pictures, it didn't come out quite the way I wanted it. When I get around to it, I plan to pull it back off and rework it the way I want it. The bezels are all painted and so is the console. The "T" shape only and it's in a subtle "smoke metallic". The original is that shiny black plastic and the smoke metallic is just enough of a change for you to know something has been changed but subtle enough to look like something the factory might have done.

The glove box hides a Moates GPU1 real time tuner. I run a heated wideband O2 sensor, which the Moates unit can take as an input. doesn't so much make a difference in day to day driving, but is a godsend when tweaking the fueling tables. Nice thing about the GPU1 is it plugs into the stock ECM slot and the stock calibration and MEMCAL plugs into the back of the adapter. It's there to maintain the "limp mode" function, but should I ever have a problem with the GPU1, it's just pull the ecm out, disconnect the Moates, plug the OEM board back in and off you go.

The real time tuning makes it essentially like tuning an OBDII unit. You can make changes on the fly on the laptop. No doing a data run, burning a chip, data run, burn another chip, etc. Just pull over, tweak a table and off you go again. You don't even have to shut the car down. It's really a slick unit.

My 88 is running custom 89 calibration. 89 program does away with the start injector and the "custom part" allowed me to drop the Bosch MAF for a modern style "blade" MAF. The blade is a Ford piece, like in the Mustangs and such. Like so:

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Those are pics from "blowerworks.net". I worked with the original programmer for my calibration and built my own hardware (I'm a hobby machinist as well), but you might still be able to buy them from blowerworks. Something funky was going on at blowerworks last time I tried to contact them. Couldn't get a reply for months, so I just gave up trying.

The blade MAF has better resolution and faster response times. It also removes the "restriction" the Bosch "heated wire" MAF presents to the airstream. A side bonus is the IAT is built into the MAF instead of being in the aluminum intake, so it sees a "truer" air temp that the engine is ingesting instead of "heat soaking" in the OEM location. Besides the better response from the blade MAF, they're cheap as heck. You can grab them off ebay for 10-15 bucks. No way the the original Bosch MAF will ever go for that.

You can also go up to more than a 1 bar sensor if you want to go to forced induction on the OBDI system and retain the MAF. Just takes a little programming change in the sensor resolution tables. I'll likely never go that way, but it's nice to have the option.

Engine work is pretty limited on this car though, it's meant to be a driver, not a project. Threw in a set of crane full roller rockers and then pretty much just started polishing things. The magnesium rocker covers were a PITA to keep shiny, so I ended up just painting them silver.
It's even still on stock exhaust, although the PO gutted all the cats. Not what I woudl have done, but like the ground effects, you get what you get when you buy a used car.

Yes, the "triple black" can sure get hot in the summers! Getting in after top down in the sun wearing shorts is a dangerous affair! You can get at least 1st degree burns on the back of your thighs! I usually keep a towel in the back and toss it on the seat in those situs. The seat cools a few seconds later and I can remove the towel.

Mine wears a "genuine" Greenwood kit. But to be honest, I'm not a big fan of body kits on C4's. I like the clean OEM 80's "wedge" look. The Greenwood kit was already on the car when I bought it and taking it off would mean body work and a complete respray. That's fairly big money that I just don't want to spend on this car.

The lowers I don't really mind, but I find most rear spoilers just don't look right on a C4. The body style just doesn't lend itself very well to spoilers, at least not to my eyes.

I will say, however, that of all the aftermarket body kits you could get for the C4 the Greenwood ones look the best to my eyes.

About the only "rear spoiler" treatment I like on C4's is the Shinoda/Mears kit. Only issues I have with that one is the rear lowers don't look quite right from the rear and that it changes the look to the later 90's "rounded look". I like my c4's angular and with the Atari dash in place.

Shinoda/Mears kit:

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But, if someone likes body kits on a c4, that's also fine by me.

Different strokes for different folks.
@Great white, I ordered the build sheet for mine today but I'm certain it isn't a Z52. I preferred a stock C4 convertible but my wife really liked the "different" color combination and all the added on stuff. Not sure what happened to the interior but the leather seats appeared to have been attacked by an angry badger. I had already done a set of vinyl seats in the Fiat X1/9 so I re-upholstered them with a pair from Al Knoch leather reproduction covers in 1995.

The dealer and/or previous owner did a bunch of modifications to the car beyond the ground effects. The breadbox was replaced as part of a [real] rosewood dash kit that included the breadbox, dash, console and doors. They also replaced the 1.5 DIN Bose audio with a 1 DIN Sony head unit and .5 DIN equalizer.
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There was also a large plywood box in the rear compartment with a Sony 10-CD changer, two 4x6 speakers in front and a subwoofer on top. When I bought the car in 1991 the previous owner took his cell phone and mount out but left the antenna in the gas fill door. Bought a new door and had it painted at the same time the car got fresh paint.
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About the 10th year of owning the car the Sony head unit put on an impressive and smelly smoke show. I ended up replacing it with a Pioneer 1.5 DIN head unit and 12-CD changer. Also added an iPod interface with a dedicated iPod holding 1,500 songs. Wasn't loud enough so I added 4- and 2-channel amps and a pair of 10" shallow subwoofers behind the seats. The steering wheel was in horrible shape so I replaced it with a 3-spoke wood one.
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With the plywood box gone I had to buy a coupe 2-door compartment cover and finish them off wood panels. The black convertible latches were beat up pretty bad so I had them powder coated in a Porsche red (closest color the guy had).
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Like you, I polished a lot of the aluminum parts on the engine. Stripped the paint off the magnesium rocker covers and polished them up. They stay shiny about five minutes so I replaced them with a cheap chrome steel pair.
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Like you, I did the roller rocker thing. By 2012 the car would always start from cold with a puff of blue smoke so I replaced the valve seals. While I was in there I did the rocker arms and replaced the short steel valve covers with tall aluminum ones. I discovered early on that a previous owner got rid of the two pre-cats with a larger "test pipe. Seemed silly to have that small an exhaust pipe on a 350 ci engine so I installed OBX stainless headers and made a new brace for the alternator.
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More recently I port-matched a BBK 58mm throttle body to a used intake plenum and upgraded the fuel injectors. and polishing the plenum. Also replaced all six universals (giant PITA) and polished the aluminum bits (axles, driveshaft and support beam).

I don't remember seeing the Shinoda/Mears body kits. From my Googling it looks like most were assembled by Williams and the kits were quite expensive. Adding $10,000 to a $30,000 car was not in my wheelhouse.
I had a HFT fiber-optic camera which had a pistol-grip hand-held video camera, it worked to locate first one cat/kitten and a couple days later, another kitten, in a hollow wall of my in-law's home. Pregnant Mama found a way into the home crawlspace, and those were the only two kittens I found on my beneath the floor exploration. Any others were not present. Both cats went to new owners. Our Manchester terrier mix helped to identify the cavity where the cat was, and a 3/4" plaster wall hole followed by the fiber-optic line revealed a small head staring back at me. A reciprocating saw opened the wall to remove the kitty.

I usually remove batteries from my tools like the fiber-optic video camera. In this case, it didn't get done, and I found dreaded corrosion present in the battery pack. I ended up disassembling the camera and had to re-solder a battery pack wire, but even then the camera was not working reliably anymore. I still have it, but it is something I probably should discard or recycle. I thought about trying to use a charger of the proper voltage to see if I can jury-rig something to make it work, but nothing has been done.

I bought another inspection camera, and that one is batteries in only to use it, and it's much smaller than the HFT one. You can use it as a borescope on a .22 or for various other uses. The head is small-enough for spark plug holes, and the camera and the light are straight-ahead or at 90 degrees (sideways) to the length of the cord and head. I used it to inspect a couple of hollow walls before using fasteners, to save me from drilling into something I shouldn't. So-far, it's worked well.
Philip, I do the same with my HFT camera. I seem to have lost the little screw that holds the battery pack in place but it doesn't fall out in normal use. I take the 4-battery pack out and then remove the batteries. They stay in the blow mold case so I don't have to dig out four new ones every time.

I use the boroscopes to find stuff I drop that doesn't make it to the floor. Saved me $18 for a long black bolt that dropped into the fan shroud on the Corvette.
I see I need to purchase the pliers and the inspection camera so I will have something under the tree from santa! LOL


My biggest issue with corvettes is getting in and out of them. I just can't do it without rolling in and out!! I know one style has a really deep foot well and so there's a short wall on the opening side. My big 13EE clod hoppers keeps hitting that short wall and I can't just get out gracefully.

Family looks good Bob! I remember the days of having big family get together, I know they can be a pain in the **** sometimes. But, i do miss the big family get together. Just to get together with the same 7 people I see just about every week just gets boring.
Cody, I am a little surprised how often I've used that new pair. I don't regret buying the Cen-Tech inspection camera but the $10 phone attached one is another one of those no-brainers.

My '72 Corvetet isn't that bad climbing in and out but the '87 is, as you say, a 'rolling in and out' process. My knees are less flexible than they were 32 years ago. Aside from avoiding parking lot dings, I park the Vette at the edges of the lots. That way fewer people feel the need to rush to my assistance when I'm clawing my way out of the cockpit.

Best part of the big family get togethers is their location. We haven't hosted one for 15 years. The two of us driving to our son's house was a lot easier than them herding 7 kids into their vehicle and driving the 70 mile round trip. When they were very young in the late '90s our house was a big deal because our yard has a hillside perfect for a slippy-slide and the big Banyan tree had an old fashioned swing hanging from one of the branches. Swinging at the end of a 20-foot pair of ropes and a 2x6 was very different from 6-foot chains on a steel tube swingset.
Great to see you appear to have had a good Thanksgiving and you continue to show more progress then most of us far younger than you and who have less time in doc's office. Continue to appreciate your posts and depth and breadth of knowledge!

Very interested in any other positive experiences with inspection camera's....my current furnace troubleshooting had me bring out my probably 5 year old generic China junk inspection camera to remember why I wasn't impressed with it. Mediocre to poor quality, no built in light...all in all not overly helpful. I don't need super long reach, head diameter in that 3/8 or smaller is likely sufficient and fine with it being wired as I'm often using it like Bob shows hooked to a phone anyway so wireless is just another headache...anyone else got an inspection camera/endoscope they love?
Logan, I was not feeling great (sinus cold) at the wedding so I asked Liane who she was sitting with at our table. Turns out it was me. Our namsake (Liane Roberta) and her parents are over 30 so the contrast is dramatic.
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The inspection camera works better than I expected. Especially for less than $10.

I like my Ryobi 3.8 V inspection camera.
Fits in a 1/2" hole, plenty bright for what I use it for (infrequently) and has saved me a couple of times from cutting something I would have regretted.
Scott, good to know.
Bob

Those onions would not stand a chance around me.

My newly won “Roffle” Peugeot 206 CC came with a steak pie in the trunk as a deal sweetner.

I prefer Steak and Kidney mostly and the chicken is good.

But a “free” steak pie will always trump anything else.

No real apologies for the thread hijack.
Rian, I am proud of myself for not emptying the serving dish straight into my mouth.
 

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Bob, I like this, DIY colonoscopies.
Gotta be cheaper than a visit to the doc, and you can have as many goes as you like. 👍
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Just have a long enough cable for the phone to see what’s going on.

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Steve, I have thought about that but I worry I won't recognize the bad bits and end up cutting out the good ones. I sure hope a 10 meter one will get the job done.
I might as well buy one. Ive needed one in the past a few times.
Danny, that was my thought as well. The day you need one isn't the day to go shopping for one.
THe furnace in the garage will be the first thing I use the inspection camera for. When the furnace is on, it has a loud popping noise that sounds like air is blowing back onto the flame. Carbon Monoxide detector doesn't go off when the furnace is on so I'm not too concern with CO poisoning, just the noise is obnoxious sometime.
Cody, I feel like these cheap endoscopes are perfect for that kind of job. You would be upset if an expensive one gets ruined because the furnace is still hot but at ~$10 I'd shed fewer tears. I also like that it can be connected to a screen that gets used for other stuff. Especially good that I have a smartish phone that won't work on today's networks.
 

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Bob, since you find such useful stuff on Amazon, you need to create Bob’s Best Bits store on Amazon. Might even help with your future purchases.

Bob's Five-Finger-Because-Five-Is-All-I-Got Discounts!

:D

Bob, how's your sinus infection? We've already talked boogers this fall, so I'll just remind you, a gallon of distilled water, and this, from the Mart of Wal/CVS/RiteAid/Walgreen's, etc etc:

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Borescopes: I had tried the "cheap gizmo that then talks to your phone via Bluetooth" once, maybe twice, and like many others, couldn't actually get the device to be recognized. A year or two later I just broke down, and at the endorsement of YouTubes The Car Wizard, bought a DEPSTECH unit that had the lense, cable, and screen in one dedicated unit. Not cheap ($150ish?) but it works and I was on my way to doing things.

Like many things technological, once you get a taste of the basic concept you wonder why it can't also do X feature. So I find out last night that DEPSTECH now makes a consumer grade/price borescope that can flex its head like a worm or snake upon command, which is pretty danged awesome.

Here's a bad commercial by, presumably, the Chinese, wasting much time before getting to showing the most important feature:


Here it is on Amazon:

And I see some other brand selling similar for $199ish.

 
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Bob, since you find such useful stuff on Amazon, you need to create Bob’s Best Bits store on Amazon. Might even help with your future purchases.
Thanks Shorty! My buying advice could easily backfire. The ratio of 'Best' to 'Bad' Bits isn't that impressive. I am living with a bunch of under-cabinet LEDs that take 3 seconds to light up.
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Bob, how's your sinus infection? We've already talked boogers this fall, so I'll just remind you, a gallon of distilled water, and this, from the Mart of Wal/CVS/RiteAid/Walgreen's, etc etc:

NeilMed Sinus Rinse
@Squankum, maybe it should be Bob's Unhandy Discounts. I posted about a PVC sprinkler repair item on Danny (@DeeDubz) thread that is three times as expensive on Amazon compared to the sprinkler supply houses.

My sinus infection is still hanging in there. It isn't the usual infection this time. Those come and go with changes in pollen or dust levels and flushing with saline helps. This one produces whiffs of rotten meat. It started with a fairly common fistula between my sinus and one of the root sockets from those 8 extractions I had done in August. The oral surgeon prescribed antibiotics (500mg Amoxicillin) and mouthwash but the infection (and open passage) persisted. The dentist prescribed a second round of antibiotics (875mg Amoxicillin) and it seemed to calm down. It's probably my compromised immune system from the cancer treatments but the bacterial infection persists. My PCP just prescribed another round of antibiotics (500-125mg Amox-Clav [amoxicillin-potassium clavulanate]) and I am forcing 3% hydrogen peroxite through the open passage. Based on the amount of foam coming out of my nose, the bacteria is not happy. I'm still passing green stuff but the dead meat smell is gone.
Borescopes: I had tried the "cheap gizmo that then talks to your phone via Bluetooth" once, maybe twice, and like many others, couldn't actually get the device to be recognized. A year or two later I just broke down, and at the endorsement of YouTubes The Car Wizard, bought a DEPSTECH unit that had the lense, cable, and screen in one dedicated unit. Not cheap ($150ish?) but it works and I was on my way to doing things.

Like many things technological, once you get a taste of the basic concept you wonder why it can't also do X feature. So I find out last night that DEPSTECH now makes a consumer grade/price borescope that can flex its head like a worm or snake upon command, which is pretty danged awesome.

Here's a bad commercial by, presumably, the Chinese, wasting much time before getting to showing the most important feature:


Here it is on Amazon:

And I see some other brand selling similar for $199ish.

My experience with Bluetooth gizmos is terrible. The one I'm using plugs directly into the charge/data port on the Samsung S3, A12 and anything with a USB port and it works fine with the phone app and Windows software. I can't speak to its affinity to the Red Ball -- sorry -- Apple stuff.

I expect the price of the borescope you linked to ($255) is for the flex head. DEPSTECH has a much cheaper ($68) borescope that has a 4.3" screen and two camera lenses at the camera end. One lens faces forward and the other to the side. It has the ability to display them both on a split screen.
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As rarely as I use an inspection camera, my Harbor Freight and otherwise useless Samsung S3 4.3" display and chump change camera will have to do.

Egads, snakes in the grass! I've seen shows with garter snake breeding balls but I don't recall seeing the entryway sideshow.
 

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My sinus infection is still hanging in there. It isn't the usual infection this time. Those come and go with changes in pollen or dust levels and flushing with saline helps. This one produces whiffs of rotten meat. It started with a fairly common fistula between my sinus and one of the root sockets from those 8 extractions I had done in August. The oral surgeon prescribed antibiotics (500mg Amoxicillin) and mouthwash but the infection (and open passage) persisted. The dentist prescribed a second round of antibiotics (875mg Amoxicillin) and it seemed to calm down. It's probably my compromised immune system from the cancer treatments but the bacterial infection persists. My PCP just prescribed another round of antibiotics (500-125mg Amox-Clav [amoxicillin-potassium clavulanate]) and I am forcing 3% hydrogen peroxite through the open passage. Based on the amount of foam coming out of my nose, the bacteria is not happy. I'm still passing green stuff but the dead meat smell is gone.

Egads! I'm no medical expert, but "smell of rotting meat" is a bad thing! And I'd forgotten about the clearcutting by the logging company in your mouth! Reminds me of a wisdom tooth extraction I had as a yute, everthing was fine, and then many weeks later, one night I couldn't sleep and my cheek swelled up a great deal. Food particles hadn't been flushed out properly from the healing hole, you know the rest.
 
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Speaking of Corvette bodywork lately, over at Flying Sparks Garage, one of their many projects was to buy a modern fancy Corvette. (OK, to this caveman, a C6 Corvette is very modern and fancy and capable.) And it was kinda shabby... and modified... body kit, yeah.



(Here I'm skipping their five-part series on dropping exhaust, driveshaft, subframe, transasxle and rebuilding said transaxle. It's at their videos page on YouTube.)

They're finally gotten around to making the high places low and the low places high (and let's face it, undoing hackery.)



The goal is to do a wrap on it, then do a road trip.
 
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Egads! I'm no medical expert, but "smell of rotting meat" is a bad thing! And I'd forgotten about the clearcutting by the logging company in your mouth! Reminds me of a wisdom tooth extraction I had as a yute, everthing was fine, and then many weeks later, one night I couldn't sleep and my cheek swelled up a great deal. Food particles hadn't been flushed out properly from the healing hole, you know the rest.
@Squankum, that was my first thought as well. In the oral surgeon world, maybe one rotting socket out of eight is considered success.
Speaking of Corvette bodywork lately, over at Flying Sparks Garage, one of their many projects was to buy a modern fancy Corvette. (OK, to this caveman, a C6 Corvette is very modern and fancy and capable.) And it was kinda shabby... and modified... body kit, yeah.



(Here I'm skipping their five-part series on dropping exhaust, driveshaft, subframe, transasxle and rebuilding said transaxle. It's at their videos page on YouTube.)

They're finally gotten around to making the high places low and the low places high (and let's face it, undoing hackery.)



The goal is to do a wrap on it, then do a road trip.
I watched both episodes and I've subscribed. I feel like it takes a long time for them to get to the action. An hour and 20 minutes with no commercials is like four Motortrend channel shows. My cheap *** did have to sit through a few 5-second flaming disasters before I could click on 'Skip Ad' because I refuse to pay for ad-free YouTube.
Bob, I sure hope you get that infection under control. Just hearing about the rounds of antibiotics you have been prescribed makes my stomach queezy and restless. YUCK!

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Dan, as I finished the seventh day of the new antibiotics it seemed like it was under control. I'm continuing to force hydrogen peroxide through the fistula and the de-comp festival has subsided.
 
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In my youth I could remember exactly how I took something apart and the right sequence putting it all back together. Not to say I didn't have the left over fastener or two but my track record these days is horrible.

In August 2022 I had the fuel injection system on the Corvette engine torn apart. To track down some of the vacuum lines and wiring, I took the windshield wiper motor out. In the process I dropped one of the very special bolts and its modified rubber washer. I put off the job of putting the wiper motor back in and in the process, forgot the valve cover had to come off first. These C4 Corvettes are a pain to work on.
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The wiper motor drive has to go in that round hole in the firewall next to the red ignition wires.

A few weeks ago I took the ground effects panels off to look for the missing bolt and washer. I finally gave up and ordered a new set of bolts and washers for mounting a 1980s wiper motor in GM vehicles. When I looked at the picture, the bolts didn't look right. Found the right bolts and ordered them along with the washer and bolt kit. Sure enough, the regular GM vehicles use 10-24 bolts and the Corvette uses M5-0.8 bolts (that are also longer). To fit the motor in the space where the tall valve cover resides, I have to cut half the rubber part of the washers off.
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As I lowered the motor into place I reminded myself that one of the wires is impossible to reach once the motor is in place so I pulled it back out and plugged in the third pigtail. Then I dropped the new bolt and washer into the same void as 16 months ago. I quit for the day.
 

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As I lowered the motor into place I reminded myself that one of the wires is impossible to reach once the motor is in place so I pulled it back out and plugged in the third pigtail. Then I dropped the new bolt and washer into the same void as 16 months ago. I quit for the day.

Can you search for it with your fiber optic camera?
 

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Bob, I feel your pain! I believe this is a built in feature on GM vehicles. If you drop anything near the firewall or inner fender, it is gone to the infinite void of the cosmos. Hell my best friend dropped the oil cap from his 2005 GMC Sierra pickup when we serviced it at my house...that was 3+ years ago, it has never been found(in my shop, or anywhere on his pickup) and we heard it hit....somewhere :dunno:
 

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Bob, I feel your pain! I believe this is a built in feature on GM vehicles. If you drop anything near the firewall or inner fender, it is gone to the infinite void of the cosmos. Hell my best friend dropped the oil cap from his 2005 GMC Sierra pickup when we serviced it at my house...that was 3+ years ago, it has never been found(in my shop, or anywhere on his pickup) and we heard it hit....somewhere :dunno:
On the Camaro there is a brace/bracket on the back of the inner fender that is welded to the firewall that has a hole that's big enough for an oil cap to fall into. I remember picking bolts out of that particular area before I cleaned and painted it. Maybe there's something similar for your void area and the cap is resting against the firewall?
 
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Can you search for it with your fiber optic camera?
@Squankum, what a great idea! I was a little worried I would have nothing to do....
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Cody, you heard it right but it was me. Funny thing was I just laughed but I realized I might throw something if I kept going.
Bob, I feel your pain! I believe this is a built in feature on GM vehicles. If you drop anything near the firewall or inner fender, it is gone to the infinite void of the cosmos. Hell my best friend dropped the oil cap from his 2005 GMC Sierra pickup when we serviced it at my house...that was 3+ years ago, it has never been found(in my shop, or anywhere on his pickup) and we heard it hit....somewhere :dunno:
Marc, I agree completely that it's a GM feature. I dropped a really expensive bolt at the front of the engine and it made a sound but never hit the floor. It was the A/C compressor pivot bolt -- a Torx 30 bolt with a flat on one side of the head so you can get the bolt past the pulley. It's the one on the right.
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I walked away that day as well. Found it the next day with help from a strategically placed droplight.
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I had already cut the head off one of the other bolts when I used my handy dandy flip-over-to-reverse ratchet wrench. It wasn't obvious to me that the wrench would be jammed up against the pipe long before the bolt would come out.
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When I finished hacksawing off the bolt head, I replaced that bolt along with the other two with stainless allen capscrews to prevent me from repeating that fiasco.
 

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When I finished hacksawing off the bolt head,
Bob, how-many Dremels or similar do you have? I would've chucked-up a fiber-reinforced disc on the screw-end mandrel and spent 40 seconds letting the tool do my hacksaw work. Another way to cut the bolt, I would have a new-found use for this recent acquisition:

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Which is pretty-slick in use, the little use I've put it to. I did find another use for it, and with the results I got, I'm pleased with its performance. See below, the pillar drill.

I've been having a hard time, finding the Dremel fiber-reinforced cut-off discs that are not designed-as the E-Z Twist Lock, or whatever they're called. I resisted buying that 'new system' for a long time, until I had trouble finding the old discs. I should probably locate an online source of the old discs, and buy a lifetime supply of 'em.

Better to do the ordering while you're thinking of it. I did. Amazon prime, 50 fiberglass-reinforced 1-1/4" discs, and 4 screw-end mandrels, $10. They arrive Sunday. Ain't it great, internet ordering? I'm gonna load 'em into the 'PEZ dispenser' spring-loaded abrasive disc holder. It takes 20 abrasive discs at a time, and Obama may have been POTUS when I bought that package of 20.

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Here's what I used the HFT Hercules deep-throat portable bandsaw (PBS) and the benchtop stand to create, something useful from a ruined LED magnetic trouble lamp.

Something from nothing, a re-purposed three A batteries LED magnetic trouble lamp which had seldom-used batteries poop the bed, ruining the light. No amount of scraping and Dremel wire-brush, dielectric grease, or WD-40/CRC 5-56 would cure it. The magnet is good and strong, and I presumed that I could come-up with something to use the defunct shell for. And I did. See the side of the pillar drill.

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Bob, I feel your pain! I believe this is a built in feature on GM vehicles. If you drop anything near the firewall or inner fender, it is gone to the infinite void of the cosmos. Hell my best friend dropped the oil cap from his 2005 GMC Sierra pickup when we serviced it at my house...that was 3+ years ago, it has never been found(in my shop, or anywhere on his pickup) and we heard it hit....somewhere :dunno:

I now work on some vehicles where if you drop a little thing, you may never, ever see it again and it will not hit the floor.

But for the longest time, I worked on the same mid-80's VW again and again and again for decades and when I dropped a nut, I could listen to it and tell where to search for it. The asphalt was one noise, this other noise? Top of A-arm, this kind of noise, something else...

Only recently, after decades of wrenching, have I decided I'm sick of dropping things and taking proactive measures! I don't have magnetic sockets, but I do have magnetic inserts I use once in a blue moon. I recently had to remove some screws that looked like they were just going to leap to their deaths, so I put a magnetic pickup tool right next to the screw head/screwdriver tip as I loosened it, and that averted fastener loss.
 
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Bob, how-many Dremels or similar do you have? I would've chucked-up a fiber-reinforced disc on the screw-end mandrel and spent 40 seconds letting the tool do my hacksaw work. Another way to cut the bolt, I would have a new-found use for this recent acquisition:

1702062456806.png

Which is pretty-slick in use, the little use I've put it to. I did find another use for it, and with the results I got, I'm pleased with its performance. See below, the pillar drill.

I've been having a hard time, finding the Dremel fiber-reinforced cut-off discs that are not designed-as the E-Z Twist Lock, or whatever they're called. I resisted buying that 'new system' for a long time, until I had trouble finding the old discs. I should probably locate an online source of the old discs, and buy a lifetime supply of 'em.

Better to do the ordering while you're thinking of it. I did. Amazon prime, 50 fiberglass-reinforced 1-1/4" discs, and 4 screw-end mandrels, $10. They arrive Sunday. Ain't it great, internet ordering? I'm gonna load 'em into the 'PEZ dispenser' spring-loaded abrasive disc holder. It takes 20 abrasive discs at a time, and Obama may have been POTUS when I bought that package of 20.

1702067099333.png

Here's what I used the HFT Hercules deep-throat portable bandsaw (PBS) and the benchtop stand to create, something useful from a ruined LED magnetic trouble lamp.

Something from nothing, a re-purposed three A batteries LED magnetic trouble lamp which had seldom-used batteries poop the bed, ruining the light. No amount of scraping and Dremel wire-brush, dielectric grease, or WD-40/CRC 5-56 would cure it. The magnet is good and strong, and I presumed that I could come-up with something to use the defunct shell for. And I did. See the side of the pillar drill.

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Philip, it may not look it in the photo but that's a really tight spot where the hoses go and the wrench was in the way of getting anything but a hacksaw blade in there. I used one of these:
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I have had horrible luck with those plain abrasive disks, slightly better luck with the EZ Lock ones but my go-to metal cutting disks are the diamond grit ones.
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I also have some larger size diamond disks and one of my Wen rotary tools is set up for grinding TIG tungsten. Before I bought the jig I used the large disk that has a T on it, to remind me not to use it on anything but tungsten.
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I use my Milwaukee/Swag bandsaw setup all the time. The trigger is zip tied at a fairly low speed and I turn it on and off with a foot pedal switch mounted on a bench leg. Easy to turn it on and off with my knee and I no longer kick the foot pedal across the floor.

Nice re-purpose of a broken tool.
I now work on some vehicles where if you drop a little thing, you may never, ever see it again and it will not hit the floor.

But for the longest time, I worked on the same mid-80's VW again and again and again for decades and when I dropped a nut, I could listen to it and tell where to search for it. The asphalt was one noise, this other noise? Top of A-arm, this kind of noise, something else...

Only recently, after decades of wrenching, have I decided I'm sick of dropping things and taking proactive measures! I don't have magnetic sockets, but I do have magnetic inserts I use once in a blue moon. I recently had to remove some screws that looked like they were just going to leap to their deaths, so I put a magnetic pickup tool right next to the screw head/screwdriver tip as I loosened it, and that averted fastener loss.
@Squankum, I have some of those magnetic inserts and of course all the telescoping magnetic wands. Lately I've been stuffing rags under the workspace so the fasteners can't get to those interstellarauto black holes. I tried putting a magnet on the side of the socket but those neodibbly magnets are so strong they pull the tool into another dimension.
Glad that infection is under control Bob! I have lost many items to the great dark voids in cars. Compressed air is my go to for getting stuff to move from its hiding places.
Thanks @Xti04, I'm going to continue the hydrogen peroxide flushes for a few more weeks. Based on the increased difficulty pushing it through the fistula, it must be healing up. Hopefully I'll quit before it ruptures something else.

Funny you mention the compressed air. I took out my collection of blow guns and did just that two days ago. One of the guns is a little over two feet long. I normally use that one to dry off the wheels after I finish flossing them but it really gets down into the hidey holes.
 

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Bob, if it was at all possible to have that foresight! I often try to anticipate the dropped and consequential hidden fastener by making a "tray" from aluminum foil and stuffing it in the potential hazard area. And then of course the obvious shop towel method works sometimes as well. Of course, most of us are never savvy enough to anticipate the impending hazard! Just yesterday I crawled under the car in search of a dropped socket. it had rolled all the way out to the garage door. Well, at least it wasn't gone and I could pick it up.
 

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Bob, if it was at all possible to have that foresight! I often try to anticipate the dropped and consequential hidden fastener by making a "tray" from aluminum foil and stuffing it in the potential hazard area. And then of course the obvious shop towel method works sometimes as well. Of course, most of us are never savvy enough to anticipate the impending hazard! Just yesterday I crawled under the car in search of a dropped socket. it had rolled all the way out to the garage door. Well, at least it wasn't gone and I could pick it up.
Or the old mechanic trick of saying " Brother, brother, go find brother" as you drop a second bolt into the same location...
 
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Bob, if it was at all possible to have that foresight! I often try to anticipate the dropped and consequential hidden fastener by making a "tray" from aluminum foil and stuffing it in the potential hazard area. And then of course the obvious shop towel method works sometimes as well. Of course, most of us are never savvy enough to anticipate the impending hazard! Just yesterday I crawled under the car in search of a dropped socket. it had rolled all the way out to the garage door. Well, at least it wasn't gone and I could pick it up.
Alan, I like your idea. For some reason I don't have a roll of aluminum foil at hand in the garage. Having purchased a two-pack from Costco, there's one just waiting for me to relocate. You reminded me how handy that stuff is, including using it to mask things like wire bundles when spray painting.

I am constantly surprised by how far a dropped item can travel. I'm not sure I could intentionally throw some of them that far.
Wow, that's an impressive set of air tools. But an even more impressive amount of airlines for each one. You win!
Just like my collection of Milwaukee cordless tools, I didn't buy them all at once so it seemed like I only had a few. I do like having the cheap Harbor Freight whips on the air tools so that big heavy donut on the end of the hose reel hose is on the floor instead of the tool.
Or the old mechanic trick of saying " Brother, brother, go find brother" as you drop a second bolt into the same location...
Scott, I've done that many times. It wasn't intentional this time but now there are two rubber isolators and special metric bolts living together in their secret lair.
@Squankum, it's another of my songs.
 

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Hi Bob, I haven't commented in a while, but read your thread every time you post as the entertainment is far better than what I get on cable TV! Glad to hear you are on the mend. In any case, you might enjoy seeing this article on a PT Cruiser concept:


i had one in 2005 that had the high output Turbo and 5 speed, it was a blast to drive, but a bit "squirrelly"! This one if the HP number is correct would be insane. I also just test drove a Mercedes SL 63 and that is truly insane with nearly 600 HP under my right foot! Still looking for one, but perhaps not with that engine, the speeding tickets would break me!

Gil
 
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Hi Bob, I haven't commented in a while, but read your thread every time you post as the entertainment is far better than what I get on cable TV! Glad to hear you are on the mend. In any case, you might enjoy seeing this article on a PT Cruiser concept:


i had one in 2005 that had the high output Turbo and 5 speed, it was a blast to drive, but a bit "squirrelly"! This one if the HP number is correct would be insane. I also just test drove a Mercedes SL 63 and that is truly insane with nearly 600 HP under my right foot! Still looking for one, but perhaps not with that engine, the speeding tickets would break me!

Gil
Gil, thanks for taking time to post. To me, that's a cool looking concept. I doubt it would change a PT Cruiser hater's opinion of the car but it is a more modern interpretation. I've never owned a pickup, van or full size SUV so the PT Cruiser "crossover" suits me fine. I can't haul full sheets of plywood or drywall but the cargo capacity isn't bad. Home Depot rents trucks for $20 and several family members own pickups so it's not a big deal to me. I've also been known to pay for delivery of sheet goods.

When you aren't expecting it, the torque steer can be a big surprise. The more mods you make, the worse it gets. I've bumped the performance of mine a bit but there are some truly over the top PTs out there. With a few relatively cheap upgrades, a PT Cruiser Turbo can easily make 300-350 hp. With a lot of really expensive mods, they can make 800+ hp....
 

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The PT crusier was always a vehicle I dreaded workin on when one came into the shop. Second place was any type of van.
 

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Gil, thanks for taking time to post. To me, that's a cool looking concept. I doubt it would change a PT Cruiser hater's opinion of the car but it is a more modern interpretation. I've never owned a pickup, van or full size SUV so the PT Cruiser "crossover" suits me fine. I can't haul full sheets of plywood or drywall but the cargo capacity isn't bad. Home Depot rents trucks for $20 and several family members own pickups so it's not a big deal to me. I've also been known to pay for delivery of sheet goods.

When you aren't expecting it, the torque steer can be a big surprise. The more mods you make, the worse it gets. I've bumped the performance of mine a bit but there are some truly over the top PTs out there. With a few relatively cheap upgrades, a PT Cruiser Turbo can easily make 300-350 hp. With a lot of really expensive mods, they can make 800+ hp....
There was an equal length half shaft kit for them, that really helped with torque steer.
 

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Sorry just getting caught up, so back to fishing out dropped fasteners:

Keep a 5-gallon bucket of old fasteners around. When you drop a bolt or nut into the depths of your engine bay, get your bucket and start dropping more fasteners into the same spot. Eventually, the fasteners will pile up to a height where you can see, then you follow the trail of breadcrumbs down to the original missing one.

That's just science.
 
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Yeah, 800 hp in a PT Cruiser would be downright scary!!
Gil, I am always amazed at how much power a little turbo 4-cylinder engine can produce. Back in 1986 I was at Daytona for an IMSA race and heard the Ford Mustang Probe GTP go by. It wasn't like any Mustang I had ever seen.
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It also didn't sound like any Mustang either. It sounded like a really angry beehive going past. When I learned the engine was a turbocharged 2.1L DOHC 4-cylinder I figured it had to be a pretty big turbo. With a pretty big intercooler.
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It ran all day, putting out 650 BHP at 8,800 RPM.
The PT crusier was always a vehicle I dreaded workin on when one came into the shop. Second place was any type of van.
@Xti04, you got that right. I replaced the evaporator once and paid someone else to do it the second time. Replaced the engine mounts twice and am getting ready to do the timing belt. Being retired with 3 registered vehicles I can live with hard to work on vehicles.
There was an equal length half shaft kit for them, that really helped with torque steer.
Kay, I thought about getting that kit but for the same money I can get a 10mm bigger throttle body.
I liked the PT Cruiser went it came out but probably didn’t appeal to non-historical car enthusiasts. This concept is a nice upgrade.
Shorty, if you didn't grow up when late 40 Fords were a common sight on the roads, they have almost zero appeal.
Sorry just getting caught up, so back to fishing out dropped fasteners:

Keep a 5-gallon bucket of old fasteners around. When you drop a bolt or nut into the depths of your engine bay, get your bucket and start dropping more fasteners into the same spot. Eventually, the fasteners will pile up to a height where you can see, then you follow the trail of breadcrumbs down to the original missing one.

That's just science.
Tom, I know you're on the right track. At my age it's hard to keep track of how many things I've droppeed into the abyss. During the most recent fight with the windshield wiper motor I pulled the cover off, exposing the electrical connections inside. At some point during the fight a tiny tiny connector came off and fell to the floor. I didn't see it happen but just as I was about to put the cover back on, something shiny on the floor caught my eye. Had I not seen it, everything it took to get the motor out and back in would have had to be repeated. Some days it's nice to be the windshield.

The final insult was putting the rocker cover back on. Once the windshield wiper motor is installed, there is no room to get the rocker cover installed. To get the extra room needed, the alternator, air pump and associated mounting bracket have to be removed.
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It has been windy and rainy for quite a few days or maybe it's been weeks. The wind snapped off the top of the tree I planned to cut down so apparently it is done fighting me and is cutting itself down.
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My Milwaukee M123 Hatchet chainsaw is a godsend. Cutting up that branch, loading the pieces in the Gorilla cart and dragging it out front took less than a half hour. Trust me, there's a wagon under that pile (a 4-foot bungee keeps the pile in the wagon).
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One feature Milwaukee included in this little chainsaw is a place to store the wrench/screwdriver so it's handy when the chain jumps the bar or just needs tightening. I know I have one for every chainsaw I own but I have to close my eyes and remember where I put them. They should be in the 'wrench' drawer but are just as likely to be in the 'saw' drawer or in the place where 10mm sockets go.
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SWMBO decided our lawn and tree guys should bid on the job along with shaping up the giant Florida Mahogany out front.
 

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@Squankum, I have some of those magnetic inserts and of course all the telescoping magnetic wands. Lately I've been stuffing rags under the workspace so the fasteners can't get to those interstellarauto black holes.

Junk beach towels might be good for this, too.

Inspired by you, I bought the big 3M roll of plastic paint dropcloth. I draped some all around like surgical drapery around an incision when I did the valve stem seals on the old Mercedes, fearing a flying valve stem keeper, and boy, did that stuff flap around and not work very well -- so many folds and creases and eventually, gaps. Did give coverage to wide areas, though. I should have put more time and brain into applying it, but, you know, I was eager to get to The Job.

(No keepers flew, thank goodness.)
 
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