I bought two for Christmas. One for me and one for my brother. $22 apiece on Amazon and I used mine tonight to repair a clothes dryer.
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How much rust are you experiencing with your nickel + chrome plated sockets? I'd say you're most likely looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't really exist.
The issue is that even heat treated 400 series stainless steel isn't as strong as heat treated alloy steel in the vast majority of cases. And some 400 series SST will somewhat rust since it has a lot of carbon content to raise the hardness potential. 400 series SST is going to be ~30% weaker, or more, except for a few very uncommon cases. If Tone gives strength specs and they compare to alloy steel, then ok. If they don't publish strength specs, I'd assume at least 30% weaker than the typical socket.
Stainless is typically softer and less durable than normal tool steels. It's mostly used in either cases of extreme corrosion (ex: chemical plants, salt water divers) or extreme FOD control where you don't want to risk losing bits of the coating (medical, food, scientific).
If you are concerned about minor surface corrosion in general use, I would probably just stick with the regular sockets. That said, other stainless options include Hazet's Hinox line or Beta's Inox line.
If I had to pick just between the three brands you mentioned (regardless of material), I would go with the Elora or Tone socket first and Wera last
HannibalLecter
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I ordered this, then realized it is not the style I want( I prefer the quick release one, not the thumb wheel). Do I keep it or not is the question
Jeff
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Keep it. You never know when you have to do repetitive cuts and need to lock it in.
Stubby1743
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Nice little kit, but not many Japanese tools in it.
HannibalLecter
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Yes, but I want the other style and I dont want to spend 40€ on utility knives to have them both. Idk
I don't like to use the spinner wheel lock. Since I don't use it as much I'm less comfortable deploying it, takes a little longer to slide to the spot and tighten down to make sure it doesn't collapse on you. I'm sure you'd get used to it but going back and forth it takes a step longer for safety. And it's kinda bulky too. Have you checked out the NT Cutter ones? they are premium quality too.
@Steve_P I have several tools under different brands including Carl Schliepper and those got rusty pretty quick even though I use it frequently and always clean it after use it. Rub engine lubricants or chain lube a bit after but still corroded.
While my Koken, Elora, Asahi still intact, thank God for that.
@tamaraw why put Wera for the last choice? Anything particular reason? Please advise
While my Koken, Elora, Asahi still intact, thank God for that.
@tamaraw why put Wera for the last choice? Anything particular reason? Please advise
Wera definitely has some interesting stuff going on (Turbo, Joker, Koloss, etc.), but their sockets are not my favorite, mostly because:
Through-hole detent like an impact socket means fitment on many square drives can be a little rattly and you have to line up the ball.
Laser markings are more prone to wear and harder to see in poor lighting.
Price is not particularly competitive with other Taiwanese sockets.
Thank you much, always helpful
HannibalLecter
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Yes I have checked them, not much availability in Germany I think
Tactile
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After watching the Red Bull team work on Toby Price's KTM in this video, I liked the look of the KTC-Nepros T-Handles so got a 10mm one from Amazon...a lot nicer looking than my Koken ones but Koken get the job done too.
CGarage
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After watching the Red Bull team work on Toby Price's KTM in this video, I liked the look of the KTC-Nepros T-Handles so got a 10mm one from Amazon...a lot nicer looking than my Koken ones but Koken get the job done too.
Great video, what torque wrench are they using?
Looks like a Stahlwille 730/4 with a Garant ratcheting head
Hoffmann Garant (Germany)
Dave455
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I see at least two different torque wrenches there, both Stahlwille, with at least one Garant ratcheting head.
I don’t see much evidence of them being used correctly though!
Most of the general tools seemed to be Wurth, certainly the ratchet handle and screwdrivers. Couldn’t really see any of the wrenches clearly enough.
Some Wiha T handle hex wrenches visible at one point.
If I was employing supposedly professional mechanics, and they didn’t know how to use a torque wrench properly, I wouldn’t provide anything better than Wurth either!
CGarage
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I think that video would make anyone a believer in Tee Handles. I would like to see the large tool roll on the bench covered in some detail though. Thanks for sharing!!After watching the Red Bull team work on Toby Price's KTM in this video, I liked the look of the KTC-Nepros T-Handles so got a 10mm one from Amazon...a lot nicer looking than my Koken ones but Koken get the job done too.
I guess with the Holidays and being busy at work, I forgot about it being Dakar Rally time. Although the race is vastly different today from its origins, I really like the racing, the logistics that go into to keeping the vehicles running. and those huge trucks. I guess the event is more of a European thing than an American adventure. You Tube to the rescue.
KnurledNut
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Video: Servicing a Red Bull KTM Factory Racing Rally Bike Mid-Race
0:35 Wurth dust-protected offset handle ratchet, Wurth socket
0:48 Nepros 10mm T-handle socket wrench
1:16 Wurth round head ratchet
1:45 Main tool roll: Wurth screwdrivers, Halder Secural square soft face mallet, Peddinghaus engineer hammer, USAG 280t hex t-handles (see 3:25), Knipex Cobras
2:40 Hazet 2169-7 oil filter socket
2:50 Small tool roll. PB Swiss screwdriver? Knipex Cobras
2:52 Makita impact driver
3:27 Wurth Powerdriv combination wrench set, Wiha T-handles, a couple deep offset box wrenches
5:31 Stahlwille torque wrench w/ Garant ratchet head
6:01 safety wire pliers
6:03 Wurth Super Snips
6:33 another Stahlwille torque wrench (Manoskop 1/2 dr) with fixed head, Wurth socket
7:09 Wurth snipe nose angled pliers (used to depress brake caliper piston)
7:38/7:43 Wurth Powerdriv combos in action, opening brake fluid reservoir, 10mm on brake bleeder
8:29 KTM exhaust spring puller (view handle at 3:23)
8:36 another good shot of main tool roll
0:35 Wurth dust-protected offset handle ratchet, Wurth socket
0:48 Nepros 10mm T-handle socket wrench
1:16 Wurth round head ratchet
1:45 Main tool roll: Wurth screwdrivers, Halder Secural square soft face mallet, Peddinghaus engineer hammer, USAG 280t hex t-handles (see 3:25), Knipex Cobras
2:40 Hazet 2169-7 oil filter socket
2:50 Small tool roll. PB Swiss screwdriver? Knipex Cobras
2:52 Makita impact driver
3:27 Wurth Powerdriv combination wrench set, Wiha T-handles, a couple deep offset box wrenches
5:31 Stahlwille torque wrench w/ Garant ratchet head
6:01 safety wire pliers
6:03 Wurth Super Snips
6:33 another Stahlwille torque wrench (Manoskop 1/2 dr) with fixed head, Wurth socket
7:09 Wurth snipe nose angled pliers (used to depress brake caliper piston)
7:38/7:43 Wurth Powerdriv combos in action, opening brake fluid reservoir, 10mm on brake bleeder
8:29 KTM exhaust spring puller (view handle at 3:23)
8:36 another good shot of main tool roll
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Würth tools are astounding?
Rusty Musket
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Lots of the fasteners on my stock KTMs are dual drive - broached for internal torx with hex heads. Most of them are low torque application but it's nice to have two options for tooling when working on the trail. The broaching of the traditional hex head does make them lighter but stock ones are certainly not titanium sadly. I think the pinch bolts on my fork tubes call for about 5 NM and I also tend to go back and forth several times on each pair finding that you sometimes get a little more turn on one after torquing the other.
8:29 I like that spring tool but didn't get a good look at it.
KnurledNut
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Common motorcycle tool. Not sure the brand of that one.
(Edit: see post #9,873)
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superautobacs
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Spotted a CEJN air blow gun.
In the tool roll, I believe I spotted a few USAG in-hex T-handles and wrenches as well.
Possibly a MOB/Peddinghaus engineer's hammer in the tool roll too.
In the tool roll, I believe I spotted a few USAG in-hex T-handles and wrenches as well.
Possibly a MOB/Peddinghaus engineer's hammer in the tool roll too.
Tactile
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Did anyone notice the big ding in the front rim and the flattened connector pipe between the header & muffler (they replaced both)? He hit something pretty hard I think. Toby is looking at the right side of the bike with some concern while the techs are working on it too...
Tactile
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Motion Pro make/sell one, well they used to anyway...
KnurledNut
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After watching closer, I'm 99.9% sure that is the factory KTM puller, which would make sense for them to have.
Part No. 50305017000C1
https://www.bike-parts-ktm.com/powe...lack-2022/spring-hook/parts_shop/134384/12650
https://www.ebay.com/itm/3231449538...044&customid=3ba0c7e3badc1de8a9f7a240582741a2
Just placed my first amazon.co.jp order, posting info here in case it helps anyone. ~250usd and expedited shipping added $50 (regular shipping was $45). Should fit in a medium sized box guessing about 10lb or less. All coming from Amazon they estimate 10 days delivery to east coast USA.
Edit: got here in 5 days with DHL express.
Edit: got here in 5 days with DHL express.
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CGarage
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It will likely show up faster than that.
rick carpenter
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I suggest keeping it. I have an 18mm roto-lock Olfa for warehouse work. It's not the most comfortable to use but it's not uncomfortable. Can deploy it with one hand, and I have confidence it won't unlock while in use.
HannibalLecter
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I wanted to try it, but that meant to ruin the package. So I returned it and got the 18 mm quick release equivalent (PL1) . The 25 mm is huge
Reed Prince
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The 25 mm is also 0.2 mm thicker and much stiffer. I used mine recently to cut some foam.
kyrbz
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I thought cordless screwdrivers were kinda gimmicky, but I actually like this quite a bit for electrical work.
Reed Prince
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I was helping a friend wire some DIN rail panels over the weekend and a Vessel driver with a Wera 0.6 x 3.5 x 50 mm worked great.
