The VISES of Garage Journal
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autopts71045
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The only option is a replacement base. Keep that one until you can get another, maybe off of a cracked Wilton. I don't have any extras.
Nightshift
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Nope, if I did, I would bronze it on. Welded cast iron before. The piece was long gone by the time I got the vice. Until I can find a new base, I'm thinking of cutting the remaining tab section off, grinding out a square hole to fit a piece of 3/4" thick x 2.5" wide flat stock, and then from the bottom side countersinking a couple 1/4" or 5/16" flatheads into the casting to hold the new tab on. The casting is about 3/8" thick.
I can probably use this old base with just 3 tabs, but I'm thinking by adding the 4th, even though it won't be as strong as the original casting, it'll be better than just 3 ... plus it will look better.
Mark in Indiana
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Since I have a 205, I agree. Why, in your opinion is Charles Parker the best?
Nightshift
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I agree. I'm thinking the vice must have been dropped at one time. Besides that ear being broken, the one jaw was missing and the 2 screws holding it on were sheared off in the process. So it must have had a hard bump! Bill
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Nightshift
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Nope, both were made Jan 1972 ... according to the date stamp one the slide keyway. Bill
I love this thread, and I finally found a vise worthy of adding.
It's a Yost 108, 256 lbs. 34" overall, 8 1/2" jaws, 5 1/2" jaw depth.
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It's a Yost 108, 256 lbs. 34" overall, 8 1/2" jaws, 5 1/2" jaw depth.
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Nightshift
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Wow ... that's a big'un indeed! Nice vice you got there.
What did you pay?
I'll never tell
rayzor32
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Just going to randomly throw this out there in the vise thread but... Has anyone seen that show "how its made", they had a part about vises and these things were the most precision machined vises that I've ever seen but they didn't show the name, they are usa made and im sure expensive.
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whelenfan
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How do you get it on to the bench, or do you just leave it on the ground like that! Really is an awesome vise.
If it were mine, I'd cleanly remove the busted part of that tab, and use it as a 3-point mount, and anchor it close to the corner of a work bench.
As for the missing jaws, rather than trying to find new ones, it's the perfect opportunity to make a new set of jaws out of 1-inch solid aluminum stock and set up a vise with soft, non-marring jaws for more delicate projects.
-Brad
Nightshift
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Hi Brad. I am going to make a set of alum. jaws for it anyway, since this vice will be mounted on my bench and it's generally used for more delicate things anyway. One of the members here has some sets of new Wilton jaws for sale so I've ordered a set from him to have them. Once I get them, they will go on the sister vice and it's jaws which are in good shape will become the spares for this one.
I've got the sister refurbed and mounted on the $15 pedistal I got with the 2 vices. The pedistal has a 1/2" thick base and top and is made from 2 pieces of 1/4" tubing so the height is adjustable. I had to cut down the top on all 4 sides (no easy job) as it was way larger than the base of the vice. The blue Wilton now looks like so ...
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Why not just eliminate the swivel base and turn it from a 500S to a 500N?
I wonder about the utility of having such a large vise on a swivel anyway... I have a 400 stationary (N) and a 450 swivel (S), and really think I prefer the way the non-swivel mounts up. Especially if you are putting it on a pedestal anyway and will have good access from the sides....
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Nightshift
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That's a good thought. I may take the swivel off the pedistal vice and put it on the other one that will go on my bench where a swivel will be more useful. I'm still gonna try and add an ear to the broken swivel base anyway just to see how it turns out. Bill
I figure if I stare at it long enough, it might jump onto the bench. In all seriousness, I will probably build a shorter beefier bench to put that and my 3 ton arbor press on.
fflintstone
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This is my Craigslist find for today. This is vise # 4 for me. It is a Wilton the # is 101028. 4” wide jaws and a 6” opening. Fixed base. It appears to have the heal for the jaw insert broken away and the insert is now thru bolted, but other than that, it is fully functional.
Can anyone tell me more about this vise including its value with the damage?
Can anyone tell me more about this vise including its value with the damage?
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Nightshift
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I took a look on the Wilton site but can't find a parts explosion with part numbers. Any idea where I might find this for a 500S vice? Bill
Nightshift
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I've already ordered a set of 5" jaws from him. He has no spare swivel bases though.Try Autopts on this site a few posts back. He loves Wiltons and has quite a stock.
Nightshift
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If you try to find anything like parts diagrams on the Wilton site, it's totally useless. At least I can't find anything here. And if you don't know the part number you need, the parts link on the Jet site is also useless. And if you put in the part number cast into the bottom of my swivel base (101082), of course this number doesn't compute in their parts look-up!
Not really sure how these sites are any good to anyone. Just my $0.02 worth.
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http://www.wiltontools.com/us/manufacturing/en/wilton/service_support.htmlNot really sure how these sites are any good to anyone. Just my $0.02 worth.
Here's a special purpose vise-
Anybody know what it's for?
I don't recall the official term for it, but it's for holding hand saws for sharpening and straightening the teeth. That was before saws were disposable. I have the companion tooth-straighter tool, but not the vice.
I've finally gotten through this whole thread, and will post photos of my vices, none of which have been restored. I am more of a leave-it-as-is kinda guy, since I love the patina of use, but seeing some of the restorations here are screwing that line of thought all up.
Neil
RedVise
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Picked up a Wilton with 3 1/2" jaws today at a yard sale, then came across this interesting "Scout" vise with 4 1/2' jaws.
Searched this thread and found one mention of a Scout, with a pic showings its common front dynamic jaw . Mine has a dynamic rear jaw, and is missing the swivel lock. Markings include 9C - 55 and Made in USA !
An Internet search indicated it may be a renamed brand ?
Purchased the Wilton and Scout each for $5, I was happy on both occasions.
Threw in a pic of a Craftsman I paid $8 a couple of weeks ago to balance out these small vises...
Brian L.
Searched this thread and found one mention of a Scout, with a pic showings its common front dynamic jaw . Mine has a dynamic rear jaw, and is missing the swivel lock. Markings include 9C - 55 and Made in USA !
An Internet search indicated it may be a renamed brand ?
Purchased the Wilton and Scout each for $5, I was happy on both occasions.
Threw in a pic of a Craftsman I paid $8 a couple of weeks ago to balance out these small vises...
Brian L.
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autopts71045
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The 101028 replaced the 9400 in about 1965 and ran production until about 1974 or so. That 4" was Wilton's No. 1 seller from the middle/late 50's until they ended production. Its a great vise and normally very marketable. I see that model on CL and frequently asking price is $100+ but alot has to do with not only operational condition but cosmedic condition. In your case, not having a swivel base, and with a jaw support broken, depending on what you paid, you may not make a whole lot. Great home vise though.
autopts71045
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Brian, the Scout was introduced by Wilton in 1953 as their "Home Economy" vise. In the 50's they only made the 3 1/2" but two models, one with smooth jaws and one with serrated jaws. They had both the square type base and small 4 bolt convential base. Later in the 60's they made that Scout in 3", 3 1/2" & 4". They discontinued it in the early 70's. It had a good run for a small economy vise. Either that or the factory so over produced them, it took them all that time to sell them off. I even have one new, in its box.
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RedVise
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Autopts, you dont sound too sure about that ....
Wait, Yes you do !! Good info there.
I always appreciate the members of the forum sharing their wealth of knowledge.
Thanks
Brian L.
Wait, Yes you do !! Good info there.
I always appreciate the members of the forum sharing their wealth of knowledge.
Thanks
Brian L.
autopts71045
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I think that was a short film on how the Germans made their vises years ago. I might be wrong but I believe someone on GJ posted it. I remember it.
fflintstone
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I was not planing on selling, just wanted to know if I got a good deal.
I will clean all the grit & gunk of of it and use it.
thanks for the info.
Graingers, while super expensive for actually ordering Wilton parts, has parts diagrams and parts numbers for Wilton vices...
Here's the link for the 500S
Nightshift
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Thanks for the info on my Wiltons. autopts71045 had already given me this info also. Many thanks to both of you! Bill
Nightshift
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Thought I would give you guys an update on one of my Wilton 500S vices that had the missing ear on the swivel:
- 1st pic is what it looked like after I cleaned off the white paint
- next one shows the new ear I made from some 1" thick stock and the notch I milled out so it sits in there flush
- 3rd one shows the ear bolted on with 3 flatheads each with a drop of red loctite for good measure
- 4th one is a closeup
- 5th one is the business side up
- and lastly, here's a skill-testing question ... which ear was replaced?
Cheers, Bill
- 1st pic is what it looked like after I cleaned off the white paint
- next one shows the new ear I made from some 1" thick stock and the notch I milled out so it sits in there flush
- 3rd one shows the ear bolted on with 3 flatheads each with a drop of red loctite for good measure
- 4th one is a closeup
- 5th one is the business side up
- and lastly, here's a skill-testing question ... which ear was replaced?
Cheers, Bill
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D A M N... That was NICE work man. What a fantastic approach to fixing it. I'd have never thought of that--your method definitely shows another way of looking at and solving a problem. My hat is off to you, sir. That was inspiring.
-Brad
Nightshift
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Thanks for your comments Brad. I just wanted to share with everyone here how I solved my problem in case it helps someone else. That's what I like about GJ! Cheers, Bill
Love the posts and pictures...great info!
Restoring an Athol 614 my father in law had from his truck dealer days...amazing piece of old foundry work, so simple, so well designed...everyone is making fun of me wanting this, 'cause I can hardly lift it...but next time I go to hold something, it will be held!
2 questions: 1) Does anyone know what color these Athol vises were originally? It was topcoated a light green somewhere along the line, but I think there are traces of a very dark grey, almost black original color.
2) What should I lube the screw with, and what about the ways/ pads it travels on? The diesel mechanics had this thing loaded up with 50 years of hard heavy grease and dust.
Thanks for your help!
Restoring an Athol 614 my father in law had from his truck dealer days...amazing piece of old foundry work, so simple, so well designed...everyone is making fun of me wanting this, 'cause I can hardly lift it...but next time I go to hold something, it will be held!
2 questions: 1) Does anyone know what color these Athol vises were originally? It was topcoated a light green somewhere along the line, but I think there are traces of a very dark grey, almost black original color.
2) What should I lube the screw with, and what about the ways/ pads it travels on? The diesel mechanics had this thing loaded up with 50 years of hard heavy grease and dust.
Thanks for your help!