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Beerhippie

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Looks good Timm, but you have to admit, this one is "lipstick on a pig" :evil:

Careful about making things too nice or OSHA or whoever will start lookin in cornrs...
Could be--I know how lowly these Asian vises are esteemed.

But... it has 93 stamped on the main casting--just to the left of the swivel lock nut. Pretty sure that's DOM. It's been here in the TG shop since the beginning in '97. It's participated in the building of three breweries and maintained this one for 27 years of abuse by multiple different people, with multiple different numbers of shits to give about using tools. It's been ground on, pounded, cut, welded....

I'm so used to to the rotating feature I can't live without it. I never use the swivel base, but that may change as it now works very well.

I gave it a mechanical restore/tune up about a year ago--it just looked like **** so I finished it. I do wish I'd taken the time to put more coats of paint on it, but... I ran out, both of paint and time.

All in all, it's actually a hell of a vise.
 

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@Shiftless -
You ever heard of this place?
Came up in another thread.
I scrolled through all their Tacoma listings. They have EIGHT bench vises listed - mostly open-screw type - most all of them well under $50 bucks.
Might be worth a look - they do have a Seattle and a Kenmore location as well.
Add that to the Seattle thread? Oops, never mind. Way down the front page today.
 

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BeerHippie: I too have a Chinese rotator vise like your's, Mine has 6" jaws and works very well. I beat on it, grind on it, and weld on it..
I have many other great American vises, but don't want o abuse them like I abuse this Chinese vise.
my biggest complaint is that it only opens 6". which has been an issue at times.

PierceA
 

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BeerHippie: I too have a Chinese rotator vise like your's, Mine has 6" jaws and works very well. I beat on it, grind on it, and weld on it..
I have many other great American vises, but don't want o abuse them like I abuse this Chinese vise.
my biggest complaint is that it only opens 6". which has been an issue at times.

PierceA
Yep, some things which are not the best still have their place. And some, over time prove themselves in it. I have a Craftsman 5-1/2" made in Japan that I have had for around 40 years. It's never let me down and still works as it should. It's now been relegated to rough work in order to spare my better vises that sort of hard use. I have it mounted on a thick aluminum plate so that I can move it around my shop and even outside as needed, and clamp the plate down as necessary.
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this is sitting, at least temporarily in its former place.
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Since I had to make a run down to the Lostine Second Hand Antique Tool Museum today, I thought I'd give you all some idea of the valuation of the vises there:

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Otherwise unmarked 134A: $300. Wilton Shop Chief: $130.

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Reed 103 1/2 R, which would come home with me, but:

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You should see the prices on the anvils....
 

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EarthWise 628 E 60th St, Tacoma, WA 98404

I drove over there to pick up a thermometer and took some photos of the eight bench vises they have in stock today:
 

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Since I had to make a run down to the Lostine Second Hand Antique Tool Museum today, I thought I'd give you all some idea of the valuation of the vises there:



Otherwise unmarked 134A: $300. Wilton Shop Chief: $130.



Reed 103 1/2 R, which would come home with me, but:



You should see the prices on the anvils....
It's been over a year since I visited that Lostine tribute to sacred iron artifacts. Looks like the prices are more than keeping up with eggs. I doubt I make that 8 hour pilgrimage again for a while. Wallowa lake was nice but better with a few grandkids along. We used to visit with our daughter's family who lived within a county two of there, but they have moved much closer to us now. Ed.
 

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It's been over a year since I visited that Lostine tribute to sacred iron artifacts. Looks like the prices are more than keeping up with eggs. I doubt I make that 8 hour pilgrimage again for a while. Wallowa lake was nice but better with a few grandkids along. We used to visit with our daughter's family who lived within a county two of there, but they have moved much closer to us now. Ed.
It's funny, but I do still find a few real gems there at bargain prices. It depends on what's for sale on Ebay when they price it, I suspect.
 

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As a collector of other things I'm well aware of the tendency by collectors to focus on minutia, or small details. And it can get extreme. But it does help to put together a clearer picture of things that happened long ago.
An odd (to me), thing I noticed about this 9300 is that it does not have casting marks for either Chicago or Schiller Park. I looked for other vises from this approximate time period and didn't find any others without a location. Or in other older or newer models for that matter. The date stamp of this appears to be 10 01 78, in a very haphazardly applied stamp. I am not sure if the move, or contemplated move, to Schiller Park came just before or at about that time, or if there is even any bearing on the move to cause this one, and others I'm sure, to be cast without a location shown.

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As a collector of other things I'm well aware of the tendency by collectors to focus on minutia, or small details. And it can get extreme. But it does help to put together a clearer picture of things that happened long ago.
An odd (to me), thing I noticed about this 9300 is that it does not have casting marks for either Chicago or Schiller Park. I looked for other vises from this approximate time period and didn't find any others without a location. Or in other older or newer models for that matter. The date stamp of this appears to be 10 01 78, in a very haphazardly applied stamp. I am not sure if the move, or contemplated move, to Schiller Park came just before or at about that time, or if there is even any bearing on the move to cause this one, and others I'm sure, to be cast without a location shown.

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The lettering on patterns is generally done with foundry letters, which are metal and are attached to the pattern with glue or small nails. Sometimes they fall off and nobody notices for a while, or it could be that they were intentionally removed. The fact that entire words are missing, and not just random letters, makes me lean toward the latter.
 
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Interesting, thank you. So you're saying that the letters/numbers are sometimes attached to the inside of the molds with removable characters before the castings are poured?
 

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Interesting, thank you. So you're saying that the letters/numbers are sometimes attached to the inside of the molds with removable characters before the castings are poured?
To the outside of the pattern, as dannyr said. In sand casting there are no molds, per se, as the mold is just the foundry sand mixture and is recycled with every pour. Google "foundry letters" to see what they look like.
 
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I‘ve got a “MORGA” vise on the shelf downstairs.

Might there be somebody somewhere who collects only error vises like CRS and I and others have?
 

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HOLLANDS offered an offset vise as early as 1892
(This cut is from a later catalog)

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and a Hoar's Patent (no puns, please) Offset vise was offered in 1870

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( do. is an abbreviation of 'ditto')

I have a early 1970's 4" Dawn fabricated as my user, bolted to the outside bench, it's useful but also a PITA sometimes, can't rest your work on the slide half the time -having both types is the way to gp-I use my 9" Woden QR woodworkers for a lot- Being steel and not giving a hoot the offset is my anvil as well.

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I had an errand to run yesterday, which put me way out on the other end of town. There's an "antique mall" out there, so I stopped to take a look. Taking the liberty of posting the two bench vises they had in the event these might be of interest to any of you. I am going to assume this "Grand" is from the same maker as @RTM's "Grand" vise posted here.
 

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Parker vise - What makes a Parker vise model number become suffixed with an A or B?

Will the answer be: Everything post-Union acquisition (1957), or it depends on the specific model?

On the Parker vises, what general statements can be made about the differences between variations that “triggers” when a specific model number goes from being casted or stamped (or badged or stickered)- with just a model number (e.g, 954 or 974 1/2) vs those later produced with the same model number but suffixed with an “A” or “B” (e.g., 954-B or 974 1/2-A?)

For purposes of this question, I’m only asking about the letters A and B.

As a newbie, I first thought “A” might have been introduced by Parker if and when they made a significant casting or significant design modification to a model (pre-Union acquisition.) And I thought “B” might have been introduced by Union as they began to manufacture their own parts post-acquisition (specifically for those late bodies stamped, PARKER VISE DIV - UNION MFG CO. New Britain)

Some have said [ link or link ]that the suffix letters A&B were only introduced by Union post-acquisition.

Has is been determined (by you experienced) that the A suffix was not introduced until Union began to assemble the Parker vises — and the B was introduced after a significant casting or significant design change by Union?

As a novice, I’ve seen older casting changes, or to the spindle or handle, and of course the late variation changing the cast (horseshoe) spindle collar to the solid plate collar.
 

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Tom Graham: I will have to go out to the shop and sort through the vise-pile. But from what I recall: The A or B suffix came along after the Union Acquisition. The Union-made 'Parker' vises usually had a slightly different casting shape than the Parker-made vises.. Particularly, the Union-made vise often had a recessed flat panel on the sides of the stationary jaw, and Stamped [not cast] into this panel was the vise model and on the opposite side was a recessed panel with raised cast in Maker name and city of origin...

Parker had a difficult to use and remember numbering system: often in the early vises [prior to the 8xx, 9xx numbering system] the model number was sequential for a 3", 3.5", 4", 4.5" 5" etc. So an early model number may end in 5, but the jaws were 4.5".
Parker also had several model numbers with an 'X' suffix, these were pretty early vises.. And even had a series of vises with only letters, no numbers.. I have an 'AA' Parker vise.

I have found the vise spreadsheet that Kevin Scott keeps up to date is necessary to look at before I bid on a vise with minimal information or to commit to buying a vise off of Craigslist or FB Marketplace. It amazed me how many people [sellers] don't own a measuring tape of yardstick.

I've always liked Reed Vises: their model numbers were clear and unambiguous: a 104 was a fixed base 4" jaw vise, a 204-1/2 is a swivel base 4.5" jaw'd vise.. There are some exceptions. Like the last version of Reed Vises with the oval 'belt-buckle' logo, they were all numbered 10x -S or I think blank for fixed base, The swivel base could be purchased and used on any 10x vise.

When I get out to the shop to look through the pile of Parkers, I'll try to take and post some photo of examples of my above comments..

I hope this helps answer your questions..

PierceA

Edit's: correcting my poor memory about some statements made..
 
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@PierceA, I certainly do know what the logo of a post-Union looks like. And I understand your representation of how the Parker logo changed after the Union acquisition from the standard vertical, raised/cast PARKER, MERIDEN CT logo to the recessed, horizontal panel with the recessed lettering depiction of “PARKER VISE DIV - UNION MFG CO. NEW BRITAIN CT” (of at least two variations, one with “handshake logo”). I’ve seen several examples of each.

My question has to do with how to identify dating and year of manufacture/assembly (if we don’t have that stamp.)

I’ve seen some stamped with an “A” or labeled with an “A” or ”B” sticker.

What I’ve wondered, is:

1) Do we know with reasonable certainty that the A and B suffixes necessarily relate only to Parker vises assembled after the Union acquisition (1957)?

2) Even if so, what changes cause an A to become a B?
 

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Believe I dug this up once, and only discerning factor was model 974A max opening 6 inches model 974B was max opening 8 inches... That difference, itself, may have been a typo.. but I’ll look that all up again in a bit, I’m wrangling the Resistor, who needs O2 & a walker, yet hates the nose plugs & refuses to use the walker.
 

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Tom Graham: I corrected some memory errors in my first reply above..

Regarding finding dates of manufacture for Parker vises, well, it's difficult at best.
Only a few vise manufacturers date stamped their vises. It is assumed for warrantee purposes.
Reed, Wilton, and a few others had date stamps..

The only way I have been able to guess at a time span when one of my Parker vises may have been made was to
study the directory of vise advertisements and manuals that is attached to the Vise Spreadsheet. I have found
several sales catalogs that would not have a [discontinued] model, but also list a new model number of a similar
sized vise.. So the publishing date on the catalog 'sort of' would be the end of a previous model and the begining
of a newer model number.
But it is really like measuring something by sighting down your arm, over your raised thumb..

Sorry I can't be more specific or help more. As much as I love my Parker vises, they can be frustrating at times.

PierceA
 

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WRT A/B Parker; what I dug up may only considered proven applicable to the 974 models, as they have been measured, here..

Reference for a 974A is vintagevises;
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Scott’s post here covers 974B (8”);
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/vise-info-thread.355753/post-7095683

I would not consider this definitive answer to your discernment question, but perhaps a good lead for your research.

Happy Easter! 🐣 🐇
 
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