The VISES of Garage Journal

[colmal]

Maybe less space between shelves?

much better than saying get rid of some.

 

[TheRealZeus]

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[TheRealZeus]

1905 ad that gives a variety of what they made.

Vanderman Vises : 1905 : Vanderman Manufacturing Co. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

2 p., illus., 18.6 cm, trade catalog

archive.org

 

[jawstight]

Anyone recognize this one? Kind of looks like a W? in a circle. Did I ever mention how much I dislike one photo listings?

Thanks in advance, Peter x 2

Looks like there is another letter in that logo in addition to the W in the logo. If @Oregon rock crusher is correct, it could be W V?

Put my vices away, tidied up in preparation for lunch with my other vice, and oh ooh, I've run out of space, the recent 8 additions have filled me up- going to have to start mounting some directly to the wall now - wall art with a difference

Uh, I think your shelves are starting to sag. Small wonder. Nice collection!

 

[TheRealZeus]

the Letter/Letters might be a doubling in the casting, or intentional, I am not recalling. The “W” is for Walworth who manufactured for Vanderman a bit I think.

 

[PeterPeter]

WM Vanderman on that vise with the W. I think that is one of the later markings they used.

Good call. I went though the database, but only the W’s. Should have looked a bit further.

More light on the topic; I recognise the vise, but CRS on the name...

Outlaw, you light up my vise (ugh, I hate that song.)

A local auction house that I occasionally buy through has an uncanny ability to take pictures which convey as little information about the things they're selling as humanly possible--especially for to

It’s endemic to FB MP. One would think with the introduction of high resolution digital cameras on phones, folks would take more, clearer images, but nope. But on the bright side, bad photos sometimes hide great tools from untrained eyes.

peterpeter

 

[Outlawmws]

WM Vanderman on that vise with the W. I think that is one of the later markings they used.

Maybe the W from WM superimposed in the V?

 

[Beerhippie]

Good call. I went though the database, but only the W’s. Should have looked a bit further.


Outlaw, you light up my vise (ugh, I hate that song.)



It’s endemic to FB MP. One would think with the introduction of high resolution digital cameras on phones, folks would take more, clearer images, but nope. But on the bright side, bad photos sometimes hide great tools from untrained eyes.

peterpeter

Rules of internet sales/auction photography:

Keep the light at your back, so your shadow obscures the subject.

If you can't keep the light at your back, put the subject in front of a well-lit window and backlight it.

Make sure your focus is on something insignificant and irrelevant.

Check your angles to be sure you don't accidentally include any identifying markings on the subject.

Take multiple photos showing as little as possible.

When you can, overexpose.

When you can't overexpose, underexpose.

Post the images as tiny thumbnails.

Put your watermark for your oh so valuable images over the subject to further obscure it.

Include some body parts no one else wants to see. Partial ****** is a bonus.

I'm sure I missed some. Y'all feel free to chip in.

 

[TheRealZeus]

Jump up, and down while taking pictures, if you are unable to find someone Parkinson’s to take the pictures for you.

 

[RTM]

1905 ad that gives a variety of what they made.

Vanderman Vises : 1905 : Vanderman Manufacturing Co. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

2 p., illus., 18.6 cm, trade catalog

archive.org

Second row, 1st column on page 1 looks familiar. When I saw the pipe holes on the **** end, that’s where my mind went (vAnderman)

 

[CRSINMICH]

VANDERMAN COMBINATION PIPE VISE
Vanderman Plumbing and Heating Co.
William Vanderman, owner

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[jawstight]

Maybe it's two V's side by side and overlapped? Vanderman Vise?

 

[RTM]

VANDERMAN COMBINATION PIPE VISE
Vanderman Plumbing and Heating Co.
William Vanderman, owner

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The right image here shows the WV nicely separated if you zoom in on the circle.

 

[Oregon rock crusher]

Here are a few pics of Vanderman 'logos' over time, some 'borrowed' from this thread. The one with the single bending port behind the static jaw and 1884 patent date is the earliest I've seen and has the bottom of a W in a circle on the dynamic jaw casting.

 

[Beerhippie]

Jump up, and down while taking pictures, if you are unable to find someone Parkinson’s to take the pictures for you.

I recalled one more: Never, ever, clean the lens on your phone camera--not even a quick swipe on a shirttail.

 

[TheRealZeus]

I recalled one more: Never, ever, clean the lens on your phone camera--not even a quick swipe on a shirttail.

Can’t do that.. if you clean the lens the buyer might see the dirty laundry stacked up on the floor next to the toaster they’re selling.

 

[neophyte]

Not mine but interesting,

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Imagine being the manufacturer of the Fractal vise, and realizing someone came up with a far easier and cheaper way to do the same thing.
I wonder which type of vise will grip better.

 

[Beerhippie]

Imagine being the manufacturer of the Fractal vise, and realizing someone came up with a far easier and cheaper way to do the same thing.
I wonder which type of vise will grip better.

I'll just continue to lust after both types. The chances I'll ever so much as touch one are infinitesimal, anyway.

 

[Outlawmws]

IMO for sure the the fractal vise. it's a positive grip

The other one is each finger is provided pressure by rubber, unles those compressing fingers are backed by soem sort of balanced pneumatic system. That would work. Bleeding it would e a ***** though.

 

[Beerhippie]

IMO for sure the the fractal vise. it's a positive grip

The other one is each finger is provided pressure by rubber, unles those compressing fingers are backed by soem sort of balanced pneumatic system. That would work. Bleeding it would e a ***** though.

Did you watch the video? The fingers are backed up by a bunch of small BBs that flow like a liquid, maintaining a constant displacement. Look to me like a pretty secure grip.

 

[RTM]

Did you watch the video? The fingers are backed up by a bunch of small BBs that flow like a liquid, maintaining a constant displacement. Look to me like a pretty secure grip.

also looks much easier to home brew than a fractal vise. Just get a bunch of fingers shaped pieces, lock them in a rigid box (actually 2), sorta fill the back end with BBs (probably ball bearings better.) Then build a regular vise type device to compress your boxes, and pull them open again.

 

[colmal]

Just had a look at his channel, He's got some nice vices there, and had another vid a year later than the 2" Adaptive vice - hmmm now he's got a 6" as well

 

[Oregon rock crusher]

I like the design on that fractal vise...much simpler to build than the traditional style. I picked up this little Athol farmers vise a couple of days ago from an antique shop in Astoria. Not a super bargain but I hadn't seen one of these before so I grabbed it. I kind of like the bottom rail for mounting and the near art deco look of it.

Jaws are 3-5/8 wide and it opens about 4-7/8. Weight is 20# without the mounting hardware. Rear jaw has less tilt back when tight than I would have expected. At first I thought it might be a No. 70 farmers vise but it's probably a No 71. The marking was hard to make out. AMCO on the offside. It just got a quick wire wheeling and a coat of used oil for a finish. Ed.

 

[Beerhippie]

Chas. Parker 954 1/2:







Everything moves as it should--stiff, but silky smooth.

$75. More as I get it cleaned up. I'm thinking this will replace my $60 (new, including shipping) Palmgren on my portable stand.

 

[Beerhippie]

62.2 lb--I'm betting the .2 is grime.

 

[Beerhippie]

Aside from "1940s", I'm striking out on finding a date for this vise. Most pics I see have a steel plate for the collar, not a cast bronze (feels far too dense for brass) collar, plus the lettering is different.

 

[Beerhippie]

I found what might be a date stamp:



Seems like the right range.

Here's the set screw for the friction ball in the spindle:



This vise definitely belonged to a welder--or, at least, someone who welded. Spatter all over it.

Otherwise, it's been rode hard and put up wet. It's gonna take some significant grinding to restore the profile of the jaws--not just the inserts. Normally, I wouldn't worry about some gouges and stuff, but there's a fair amount of metal missing to the point that the jaws aren't flat across the tops, side-to-side. I'm expecting this one to be a user.

Any idea of original color?

 

[Beerhippie]

Damn. Here I was marveling about how much smoother the castings were on this old vise than most.

But:



Fresh out of 1 hour in the ultrasonic w/180 degree lye solution. The grime did an amazing job of smoothing it out.

I think I'll hit it with a wire wheel on the angle grinder and see just what I have....

 

[Beerhippie]

The rest of the parts, fresh out of the bath:



Look at that bronze gleam!

The two small objects in the foreground are brass hex nuts some PO ground down to use as bushings for the two front mounting holes. Guess they didn't have the right size bolts? But they also show the contrast in color between the bronze collar and the brass nuts.

The vise has seen a lot of use and a fair amount of abuse, but the slide is still nice. I'll have to get a picture looking at the end of that slide--it's massive.

Now, a hot lye solution in the ultrasonic isn't a great way to preserve paint, but I see a hint of greenish-gray here:



I think that's where I stop for tonight.

 

[Beerhippie]

Look at that slide!



It's what I think the youngs call "a chonk". It does thin down a bit behind the end part, but to no less than 7/8".

**** on that, Prentiss.

The more I ponder on the 39 on the collar, the more I believe it is a DOM. Bronze would certainly not be used during the war years, as it was considered a "strategic metal".

 

[Outlawmws]

Did you watch the video?

No I saw some sort of short clip that looked like rubber, not piston shafts.

Nice find on the Parker Timm! looking forward to seeing it finished and in use.

 

[jopy]

Does anyone have photos of a Woden 186E/10?

 

[Beerhippie]

No I saw some sort of short clip that looked like rubber, not piston shafts.

Nice find on the Parker Timm! looking forward to seeing it finished and in use.

I think I'll be looking into buying a set of new jaws for it. The existing ones are pretty well trashed, and to reprofile them would require reprofiling the jaw towers to keep that nice Parker look--which would mean I couldn't then just buy new jaws to match.

 

[Shiftless]

Good luck finding replacement jaws for a Parker.

 

[fishwatcher]

I’ve made slow but steady progress on this 10-76 Wilton C0. I used Easy Off degreaser and wire wheels on drills today.

Not as much paint nor “patina” came off as I expected.

Heavier on-hand stuff planned this weekend.. mineral spirits, brush cleaner and acetate.

I am thinking either Hammered soft flat iron or Pontiac metallic blue for paint.

 

[CRSINMICH]

jopy: This is a page from Woden's 1931 catalogue. It's not a photograph but it might be of help.

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[jawstight]

I’ve made slow but steady progress on this 10-76 Wilton C0. I used Easy Off degreaser and wire wheels on drills today.

Not as much paint nor “patina” came off as I expected.

Heavier on-hand stuff planned this weekend.. mineral spirits, brush cleaner and acetate.

I am thinking either Hammered soft flat iron or Pontiac metallic blue for paint.

What is the hammered soft iron? Do you have any pics of that, and the Pontiac metallic blue paints.

Your C0 is awesome

 

[fishwatcher]

What is the hammered soft iron? Do you have any pics of that, and the Pontiac metallic blue paints.

Your C0 is awesome

Thanks.

Correction: flat soft iron, from Rustoleum

 

[Shiftless]

For anybody considering Rustoleum Soft Iron, here is a pic of a big Reed that I painted with that product. I received compliments on the color from the few people who saw this vise in person.

 

[jawstight]

Thanks @fishwatcher. I painted my 350 in a color very close to that. Also a Rustoleum.

edit: @Shiftless posted while I was composing my post. I like the look of that soft iron better than the black I used below. The soft iron looks almost like raw metal!

I'd sure like to see your vice, or another vise in that blue. I've been using the PPG Charmed Life, which I like pretty well but I'm always open to being closer to their original colors.