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For those that didn’t live this experience, don’t waste your time looking for a YouTube on the Snake River disappointment /fiasco…but his many jumps before that did inspire a generation of us and set the bar high for all the X-Games and other motocross stunts and theatrics that many of us love watching still.
It was advertised as jumping the Hell's Canyon of the Snake. It wasn't Hell's Canyon by a long shot--Hell's canyon is miles wide at the narrowest--it was a narrow basalt gorge upstream from the real thing.

And he still didn't make it. With a rocket bike.

As he once said on TV: "Bart, America has the best doctor to stunt man ratio in the world--and chicks dig scars."
 
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We worked in the fields from about age eight. Picking berries, peas and beans for the most part. Some farmers were great to work for, others were slave labor (they had cute tricks to avoid paying us kids--word got around and those folks had trouble getting the harvest in).

We had Schwinn Stingray Kraters:

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That was essentially the same bike I had--right down to the springer forks and softtail--and imagine my surprise to see it's still being sold today--almost 60 years later!

We'd build jumps. We'd jump the bikes. We'd make the jumps higher. Lather and repeat until a bone or bike was broken. Move across the hill about ten feet and start work on a new jump next to the now-new "widowmaker".

Broken bike frames were taken to old farmer DiMartini, who'd stick-weld 'em back together. The frames, of course, always re-broke adjacent to the weld so eventually you had a giant knot of weldment on the frame--or several.
All I got was what I could pick up on "junk week" and built into something I could ride.
That turned into powered lawnmowers, minibikes, gocarts.
then motorcycles
Life is good.
 

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For those that didn’t live this experience, don’t waste your time looking for a YouTube on the Snake River disappointment /fiasco…but his many jumps before that did inspire a generation of us and set the bar high for all the X-Games and other motocross stunts and theatrics that many of us love watching still.
The build up was incredible, then.
 

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Some updates!

Reed 206 is having swivel handles made- put a fresh coat of metal oil down

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My minty Columbian- I don’t think this was ever used:
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Last but not least- my minty 1944 rock island craftsman with just 5153 in the fixed jaw due to metal rationing in WW2- new jaws installed:

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My ca. 1940 Chas. Parker is done!

The thrust bearings I ordered over a month ago disappeared into the aether. Amazon refunded them. I ordered some more, and they showed up this AM. I ordered two sets of roller thrust bearings that I figured would fit or could be made to fit. The plan was to functionally eliminate the nice bronze collar and leave it hanging for show, with a thrust bearing inside and out of the dynamic jaw and a stop collar to retain the screw.

But:

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It appears that the head of the screw and the screw have been welded together sometime in the distant past. Whoever did it didn't have a lathe, so there was a "shoulder" where the two joined. I don't have a lathe, either, but I do have files. It took fifteen minutes of filing to get the bearing and washers to seat flat. After putting the screw back in just to see how it felt, it turned out that the bearing and washers took up just enough space that the collar now does its job again!

I did have to add a thin shim behind the collar:

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but you've gotta look awful close to notice.

The vise now runs beautifully with just a little backlash--which I could eliminate altogether if I go back to plan A. For now, it's fine, and I have a set of bearings for the next 7/8" screw vise I work on.
 

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I mic'ed the beer can shim stock again. It's as close to .005" as my Alltrade mic is capable of.

I have plenty of stock left over for the next project. A flattened out side from a beer can fits nicely in one of the small drawers of my Kennedy 620. The shim stock cuts easily with scissors, utility knife or even a scribe.
 

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Speaking of having not received any TLC by the previous owner…a Charles Parker 974 was delivered today. Cardboard and bubble wrap alone are simply inadequate for shipping. No glamour shots yet for this old girl. She needs a spa treatment. This swivel base lacks the #2 wrench. We’ll see how she cleans up before deciding whether to find one for her. Too bad at least a little bit of the heavy grease she was caked in couldn’t have been shared with the interior swivel base components.
 

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Yost has sales every so often on their website and this little RIA-4 is on sale for a great price. $36.98.

I know most here go for larger, vintage, USA made vises.. but has anybody here bought and used one for their smaller vise needs?

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I haven’t bought from their site so buyer beware. I’d get one but I have the clamp-on Wilton version, bought used and cleaned up.

Here’s Wilton’s Super Junior version, made in the Czech Republic. IMG_6557.jpeg
 
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Yost has sales every so often on their website and this little RIA-4 is on sale for a great price. $36.98.

I know most here go for larger, vintage, USA made vises.. but has anybody here bought and used one for their smaller vise needs?

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I haven’t bought from their site so buyer beware. I’d get one but I have the clamp-on Wilton version, bought used and cleaned up.

Here’s Wilton’s Super Junior version, made in the Czech Republic. IMG_6557.jpeg

These have an interesting story. Been told a few times on this forum - but these are made by a company called York in the Czech Republic. The company held the original patent for the bullet vise design, before Wilton existed. A York salesman supposedly fled to the US and founded the company Wilton, and the early models were a total rip off from York. However, due to WW2, there were no legal problems with the patent infringement. Decades later, Wilton became a way bigger company in the free market and they managed to get York to stop using the traditional bullet design and they even got them to manufacture some of the smaller vises for them. They're not bad (though certainly not as high quality as the top end US production ones).

Actually very similar history happened to Tatra (a Czech vehicle manufacturer). The most mass produced car in history and a big part of the economical success of VW (and Germany) came off of Ferdinand Porsche copying the Tatra 97. Not just the outside design but the mechanical parts as well.
Tatra sued Porsche for damages, and Porsche was willing to settle.
Ferdinand Porsche was accused of using Tatra designs to design the Volkswagen quickly and cheaply. In Porsche's words; "Well, sometimes Ledwinka looked over my shoulder and sometimes I looked over his".

But Hitler cancelled this, saying he "would settle the matter".
Annexation of Czechia followed soon... It is not very public, but VW actually admitted it and paid Tatra a million German marks in '65, but that is pocket change compared to the sales. At the time, a beetle cost about 4500 German marks and in that year alone, they sold 1.2 million of them. Total sales of the beetle ammount to about 230 billion US $ when adjusted for inflation to today if we account for the 1965 prices. It's very likely the million they paid in 1965 went into someones pocket in the eastern block to hush down the situation.
 

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I knew York made the small Wilton Super Juniors and suspected they made the small Yosts. I didn’t realize Wilton made Yost stop making other designs.

I started a dedicated thread on Wilton Super Juniors vises to learn more about them, but it didn’t take off.

I’ll add a post there on these Yosts.
 

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I sold that monstrous Palmgren vise yesterday. Buddy asked me last night "What are you going to do for a vise?"
I told him I still had that old Parker that's been sitting on top of the dry sink, and that I thought there was another one out in the garage somewhere.
I went out this morning and dug out this beat-up China-made "Olympia" four-incher.
So at least I know that if and when I can ever get the top of the workbench cleared off, I'll still have a vise somewhere. (y)
 

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Hey all, here are some Wilton C3 jaws that I make. I'm back ordered on the compression clips right now, so I don't have those in stock just yet at the moment. In the meantime, let me know what you think! These do have the 1/4-20 threaded hole in the back incase the user already has the compression clips from a previous set of jaws. These are heat treated to around Rockwell 55.
 

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I don’t see many Great Depression-era Prentiss vises here in Texas, so when the opportunity arose, I didn’t hesitate.

This is a Prentiss “Bull Dog” № 528. Catalog weight is 155 lbs, and jaws stand 6” wide. While it’s not necessarily a fine specimen, it’s also been well-taken care of. According to the previous owner, it was used in a glass factory that went bankrupt in the last few years. The most notable adaptation is that a new ball was welded onto one end of the handle. At roughly 80-90 years old, it’s begging to be put back into service again.

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I scored this pretty clean Prentiss 19 over the weekend rite around the corner from my house. No major damage no cracks or missing parts. The swivel jaw and pin had been painted over and I assume not moved in many years. It didn't take much to get them moving though. I removed the swivel base and the spindle nut. The hole for the swivel base bolt almost lines up with the hole for the swivel jaw pin. So once I drove out the pin that holds the spindle nut in place and removed the nut I could use a punch to drive the swivel pin out from below. I felt like a genius when I came up with the idea of using a three small blocks of steel to make like a bridge over the spindle nut pin on the bottom side and then use a c clamp to drive the pin up into the empty space. This worked wonderfully. I then gave the swivel pin a few taps with the punch which didn't seem to have any effect so I hit it with the torch. Once it cooled down I flipped it back over gave it a few whacks and the pin fell rite out GREAT. I then gave the swivel jaw a few taps and once the paint broke I was able to remove it with my hands. You can see in the pictures how clean the surfaces are and the screw is in great shape the handle is a bit bent but that's no big deal.

The smooth jaws seem to be permanently or at least semi permanently riveted in is that normal?

Can anyone tell me the approximate year of manufacture I am guessing 1930s dose that sound rite?1000014115.jpg1000014116.jpg1000014118.jpg

Soaking in simple green now I may put it in evaporust next depending on how it looks afterwards. Then maybe just some light oil for now I'm nit sure yet if I want to paint it or leave it naked.
 

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I've been wanting a magnetic-base drill press vise for a while now.

So I built one:

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The 22 lb magnetic chuck is massive over-kill. I had no idea how massive these puppies are--and I might replace it with a smaller one--I think this thing could lift my car! But the vise sure ain't budging when locked down, and no more fumbling for clamps while holding the vise where I want it.
 
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I added some UHMW tape to the new bottom of the mag chuck. It now slides smooth as butter on the DP table.

I'm also thinking about how handy the mag base vise could be on my 3/8" steel bench plate.
 

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I scored this pretty clean Prentiss 19 over the weekend rite around the corner from my house. No major damage no cracks or missing parts. The swivel jaw and pin had been painted over and I assume not moved in many years. It didn't take much to get them moving though. I removed the swivel base and the spindle nut. The hole for the swivel base bolt almost lines up with the hole for the swivel jaw pin. So once I drove out the pin that holds the spindle nut in place and removed the nut I could use a punch to drive the swivel pin out from below. I felt like a genius when I came up with the idea of using a three small blocks of steel to make like a bridge over the spindle nut pin on the bottom side and then use a c clamp to drive the pin up into the empty space. This worked wonderfully. I then gave the swivel pin a few taps with the punch which didn't seem to have any effect so I hit it with the torch. Once it cooled down I flipped it back over gave it a few whacks and the pin fell rite out GREAT. I then gave the swivel jaw a few taps and once the paint broke I was able to remove it with my hands. You can see in the pictures how clean the surfaces are and the screw is in great shape the handle is a bit bent but that's no big deal.

The smooth jaws seem to be permanently or at least semi permanently riveted in is that normal?

Can anyone tell me the approximate year of manufacture I am guessing 1930s dose that sound rite?1000014115.jpg1000014116.jpg1000014118.jpg

Soaking in simple green now I may put it in evaporust next depending on how it looks afterwards. Then maybe just some light oil for now I'm nit sure yet if I want to paint it or leave it naked.
Congratulations on the Prentiss, Zoda! The 19s are a fun size, and to be honest I don't see many in that style. Prentiss' 1936 catalog (attached) advertises your same style of #19 (specifically note the swivel base plunger lock). However, the catalog advertises it with the sideways-arc lettering, a style that Prentiss began using as far back as 1925. However x2...YOUR #19 showcases the post-1936 badge-style logo as well as serial numbers that are recessed into the body of the vise. The Charles Parker Co acquired the Prentiss Vise Company in late 1947 and made several easily-identifiable changes to the Prentiss vises. Your vise was made no earlier than 1936 and certainly no later than 1948. This part is pure speculation, but I suspect that the presence of both that style of swivel base plunger lock + the presence of the badge-style logo indicate that your vise was made in the 40s during Prentiss' final years.
 

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No glamor shots for this old girl. She’s on life support and I’m about to pull the plug. Talk me out of it.

This most recent Charles Parker 974 was purchased as a “donor.” I started off my time here on GJ looking for a swivel base to transform a like new 954B into a 974B.

I’d had no luck finding only the swivel base, so, I bought this vise as a donor. As I made the purchase, I knew that the slide on the dynamic jaw was broken ( and it was discounted accordingly). I expected to remove the caked on grease, remove the rust and keep the swivel base, parting out the rest.

But after cleaning it all up, it’s hard to simply discard the dynamic jaw -- and part it out. I’ve not done that yet.

Is there anyone that might want to take a chance on trying to fix this broken dynamic jaw? The broken piece is lost to the ages.

I recall reading here that the general consensus is that it’s not worth the effort. I know that any repair would remain visible, it wouldn’t be sound structurally and that it would be best efforts only. I’d be willing to pay shipping both directions…and whatever we decide is fair for your time. If so, send me a direct message.
 

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No glamor shots for this old girl. She’s on life support and I’m about to pull the plug. Talk me out of it.

This most recent Charles Parker 974 was purchased as a “donor.” I started off my time here on GJ looking for a swivel base to transform a like new 954B into a 974B.

I’d had no luck finding only the swivel base, so, I bought this vise as a donor. As I made the purchase, I knew that the slide on the dynamic jaw was broken ( and it was discounted accordingly). I expected to remove the caked on grease, remove the rust and keep the swivel base, parting out the rest.

But after cleaning it all up, it’s hard to simply discard the dynamic jaw -- and part it out. I’ve not done that yet.

Is there anyone that might want to take a chance on trying to fix this broken dynamic jaw? The broken piece is lost to the ages.

I recall reading here that the general consensus is that it’s not worth the effort. I know that any repair would remain visible, it wouldn’t be sound structurally and that it would be best efforts only. I’d be willing to pay shipping both directions…and whatever we decide is fair for your time. If so, send me a direct message.

If you are going to have a D jaw to repair, that would be my second best one to do - first would be the endemic top slide crack many Prentiss vises get.

if it was a bit less material broken out, its a user and no real issues strength-wise. The pressure on the slide at full extension is on top of that part at the back and at the very front on the bottom. As long as enough rail is still there on the bottom front, your good.

Welding in another section is 90% cosmetic in that case.

if you use good NIrod, and Tig, nearly invisible after re-machining flat again.
 

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Congratulations on the Prentiss, Zoda! The 19s are a fun size, and to be honest I don't see many in that style. Prentiss' 1936 catalog (attached) advertises your same style of #19 (specifically note the swivel base plunger lock). However, the catalog advertises it with the sideways-arc lettering, a style that Prentiss began using as far back as 1925. However x2...YOUR #19 showcases the post-1936 badge-style logo as well as serial numbers that are recessed into the body of the vise. The Charles Parker Co acquired the Prentiss Vise Company in late 1947 and made several easily-identifiable changes to the Prentiss vises. Your vise was made no earlier than 1936 and certainly no later than 1948. This part is pure speculation, but I suspect that the presence of both that style of swivel base plunger lock + the presence of the badge-style logo indicate that your vise was made in the 40s during Prentiss' final years.
Micah

Thank you and thank you for the information. I am interpreting the information from the catalog a bit different. The logo shown in the illustration of the 19 is a different style but so is the description of the jaw style I belive my jaw faces are an older style there are no screws.

The illustration of the tool room vise shows the same style logo as my 19 so the logo did exist at the time and could have been used on other models.

Maybe.
 

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The logo shown in the illustration of the 19 is a different style but so is the description of the jaw style I belive my jaw faces are an older style there are no screws.
By "the jaw style", are you referring to the detachable steel jaws on page 4? Looking at the pictures that you posted, your jaw faces do appear to be detachable and have screws (though it looks like the faces of the screws might be covered with some kind of putty maybe?). Looking at the sides of the jaws on your vise, I can see the separation of the detachable jaws from the jaws of the vise. Prentiss stopped making their older style, cast-in jaws by 1911 once Charles Bingham patented them (Bingham actually supervised the vise department at that point in time).
The illustration of the tool room vise shows the same style logo as my 19 so the logo did exist at the time and could have been used on other models.
Agreed - the tool room vise does show the later-style badge logo (similar to your #19). However, I tend to believe that if Prentiss had gone to the trouble to create, print, publish, and advertise their new catalog in 1936, they would've wanted the vises that customers bought to match the vises that they advertised. If we're taking the company-issued catalogs as gospel (which I generally do), the illustrations tell me that Prentiss was only manufacturing the tool room vise (#504) and their Bull Dog line with the badge-style logo. Again, it's speculation, but I theorize that Prentiss later transitioned into manufacturing their entire line of machinist's vises with the same badge-style logo that they initially used only for the #504 and the Bull Dog line.
 

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I've been wanting a magnetic-base drill press vise for a while now.

Today I have one:

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The 22 lb magnetic chuck is massive over-kill. I had no idea how massive these puppies are--and I might replace it with a smaller one--I think this thing could lift my car! But the vise sure ain't budging when locked down, and no more fumbling for clamps while holding the vise where I want it.
BTW: That magnetic chuck cost around $90. The purpose-made Magswitch DP vise base is $504. The mag chuck is a little higher profile, but for saving 400 bucks I can live with it.

Now I have a small vise that can be used on any ferromagnetic surface, which opens up some possibilities.
 

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No glamor shots for this old girl. She’s on life support and I’m about to pull the plug. Talk me out of it.

This most recent Charles Parker 974 was purchased as a “donor.” I started off my time here on GJ looking for a swivel base to transform a like new 954B into a 974B.

I’d had no luck finding only the swivel base, so, I bought this vise as a donor. As I made the purchase, I knew that the slide on the dynamic jaw was broken ( and it was discounted accordingly). I expected to remove the caked on grease, remove the rust and keep the swivel base, parting out the rest.

But after cleaning it all up, it’s hard to simply discard the dynamic jaw -- and part it out. I’ve not done that yet.

Is there anyone that might want to take a chance on trying to fix this broken dynamic jaw? The broken piece is lost to the ages.

I recall reading here that the general consensus is that it’s not worth the effort. I know that any repair would remain visible, it wouldn’t be sound structurally and that it would be best efforts only. I’d be willing to pay shipping both directions…and whatever we decide is fair for your time. If so, send me a direct message.
I haven't seen it often, but every now and then I see a good repair on a slide like that. Here's one example
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Hoping someone can help ID and/or date this old Reed vise I recently acquired.
Jaws are 4 1/2”
No model number cast on it
Base has the threaded rod, cast beveled washer, and funky cast wing nut (not shown)
Stationary jaw has 2 little screw (possibly for pipe jaws?) and movable jaw has a thru hole on one side and a blind hole (from inside) on the other.
Thanks for looking.
 

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Hoping someone can help ID and/or date this old Reed vise I recently acquired.
Jaws are 4 1/2”
No model number cast on it
Base has the threaded rod, cast beveled washer, and funky cast wing nut (not shown)
Stationary jaw has 2 little screw (possibly for pipe jaws?) and movable jaw has a thru hole on one side and a blind hole (from inside) on the other.
Thanks for looking.
Add 17 to 1895 and it's between those two dates--more or less.

Cool vise!
 

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Hoping someone can help ID and/or date this old Reed vise I recently acquired.
Jaws are 4 1/2”
No model number cast on it
Base has the threaded rod, cast beveled washer, and funky cast wing nut (not shown)
Stationary jaw has
It kind of looks like a version of the No. 2 vise shown in the vise info thread linked here.

 

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Picked this up yesterday, North Bros/Stanley 993. It was pretty inexpensive, has the original box and the original accessory plate for holding irregular stock, so why not? I’ll perform a good cleaning on it, just couldn’t pass it up for some reason.
 

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Outlawmws

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Picked this up yesterday, North Bros/Stanley 993. It was pretty inexpensive, has the original box and the original accessory plate for holding irregular stock, so why not? I’ll perform a good cleaning on it, just couldn’t pass it up for some reason.

I see it's not completely unused, but that looks to be in excellent shape! Any divots in the bed?
 

Dick Tracy

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I see it's not completely unused, but that looks to be in excellent shape! Any divots in the bed?
No, it’s all smooth. I’m assuming with the style and color of paint slobbered on it someone was using it in the 1960’s for hobby usage, maybe some types of model building? There are some scuffs and gouges on the top of the jaws, but hasn’t lived too hard.
 

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