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gilr

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I suspect something has changed recently at Consumer Reports as there are now TV ads for cars touting their high ratings by CR. It used to be the CR lawyers went after advertisers with vengeance if they were mentioned in any ad. I have to wonder if they accept money for use be advertisers now??? In any case, I use their ratings to find absolute "dogs" in the marketplace, but many of the complaints they mention are superficial in nature, i.e. infotainment screens that are too difficult to use by drivers. I'm more concerned about transmissions that fail too soon, or catastrophic engine failures that now seem to be commonplace, to the point I won't buy a new GM or Ford product, and have had way too many failures in Chrysler products. Now, even Toyota is missing the reliability mark, much of which seems to have occurred during/post Covid. At least Toyota seems to be owning up to the V6 engine failures and replacing them without being threatened by the government. Quality seems to have taken a back seat to just pushing overpriced vehicles out the door and let the consumer be the beta tester! Most people get used to any interface be it easy or obtuse. It seems to affect their ratings more than necessary, but perhaps I'm too tolerant......on some things anyway!
 
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I've been plugging tires for 60 years. I learned to do it when I was first told I would have to buy a new tire because of a nail. As for plugs in sidewalls, they work just fine. We're, mostly, not driving autocross, so all that BS is just that. My poor Journey, RIP, used to collect an amazing amount of road debris in its tires. The right front had over 30 string plugs in it, and the others had at least 10 per.

Is there a lot of construction in your neighborhood? Does somebody not like you?
 

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About plugs/patches, after Hurricane Andrew in FL (1992) one of my co-workers bought a flooded 1/2 acre parcel, modern home, for probably 1/3 of its 'before Andrew' valuation. He spent a year rebuilding it. The weed-line on the gypsum board wall coverings was about 2 ft off the poured concrete floor. He had a full-size Ford pick-up truck he drove to work. He carried a set of 4 replacement tires/wheels, chained in the bed because he had frequent punctures, due to the thousands of structures whose roofs were strewn-across Miami-Dade County, no-longer being part of where they once sat. He used tarred rope plugs, and he carried a 12V air compressor to fix the truck flats.

Among the 4 tires/wheels in the bed and the 4 on the wheel hubs, he said he had 'dozens' of plugs/patches. Yet he still drove 65 mph on the roadways to commute to/from work, and I don't recall he complained of throwing a rope plug or a patch.
 

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I recently had to learn how the much larger half lives. I dealt with a normal tire shop. I recently upgraded the wheels on Ms. Squankum's least favorite vehicle, the Econoline. I wanted something lighter (for ride) and also wanted four wheels of the same offset (long story) and also that didn't look bad (rust, different colors, another story.) So the upgrade was to "factory Ford aluminum wheels of the same era", and the source was a big company that refinishes wheels and sells them on ebay. They may have more than one location in the nation (hazy memory, it was a few months back) and I was very impressed by the quality of their work. They really looked like brand new wheels! Machined and clearcoated in some spots, painted and clearcoated in others.

Then the new Firestones arrived from Tire Rack and I toodled on down to my usual friendly abnormal tire shop, explained what I was there for, and I started tearing into the four boxes of wheels I had, and there, in the bright sunlight of their parking lot, I noticed that this wheel reconditioning business has people with different ideas about what "charcoal" color meant for inset sections for this era of Ford wheels. Two were close to coal black metallic (what I was hoping for) and two were more like platinum, which Ford also did back when. They even had "charcoal" stickers on the inside of the barrels on the lighter colored ones.

Well, I was in a pickle, so I just had my tire guys mount and balance everything and put the dark colors on one side and the lighter colors on the other side. Ms. Squankum was hitting the road the next day, no time for a fix. Since this was a surprise gift, this also gave her a chance to tell me which of those two colors she did want!

So, months pass, the van is far away and there's nothing I can do about it. I mean, sure, I can ***** at the wheel reconditioner, and he can send me return labels to send back the wrong ones, and I can order two new ones of the right color (and open the boxes and check!) and send them back with her in her fancier new giant van another week, but can she take them to the tire shop that's 200 yards away from her business? NoooOOOoooOO.

So I drove down there for several days, she thought maybe I'd work selling tomatoes or something. I wound up fixing things that crossed my path, mostly, and having brought my tools this time, oh so many things presented themselves. Like the blower fan on the Econoline crapping out when I first drove it! None of this work was performed in a cool, dehumidified underground lair, oh no, quite the opposite, and Spanish moss, too. There was, at least, a good shade tree.

Another Econoline chore I caught up on was getting the wrong color wheels removed and the tires remounted and balanced on the new, correctly colored wheels. Also, while the van drove reasonably straight, the position of the steering wheel indicated Something Was Wrong, so time for an alignment.


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I can't complain about the price of an alignment. I know how much money goes into that machine and that they don't let any flying monkey do that work.

I don't know if the tire M&B was done by a lower grade of monkey, but I did see the van in one bay, and later, in the bay with an alignment rack, which made sense, given the two missions. (Once or twice I left the store and walked down the busy highway 100 yards and peered across to the far side. Hard to hide a white van. Earlier in the process I just peered out the window to see if the van had left its parking spot.)

Not counting the shop supplies ******** (I'll never not hate that obvious gambit, I remember when I first saw it, my sister took her Jetta to a VW dealer in CA in the 80's) ... I paid about $80ish for M&B of two tires.

Now let me complain about the alignment: I didn't get much of a chance to test drive it, circumstances kept me hopping, but being a paranoid and distrustful sort, when I got the van back to my lair shade tree I did check the tire pressures and M&B monkey set them to about 55 psi and alignment monkey did not check that vs. the 35 psi I had the left side tires at. So the alignment isn't what it could be. I'm sure it's better than it was. So maybe I can complain a little about the price of that alignment...

Now, let me tell you about my local tire shop. They're Mexicans, the place is a hole in the wall. There are people I just cannot recommend it to. Waiting room? There are some old car seats sitting on the sidewalk out front. They are very dirty. Sometimes there's an office chair, also dirty. These seats might be in the shade, but sometimes not at all. They are probably out of the rain if it's a light drizzle.

There is no inside shop. Given the often pleasant weather of our region, they have a simple car lift, kind of an industrial grade QuickJack that you (or they) drive on and then the put some rubber scraps in there to pad your rocker seams or lift points and lift your car a foot in the air. They also have a lot of floor jacks.

The tire machines are inside a small shed tacked on to the front of the building. I don't know what the insurance requirements are (ha) but I'm allowed everywhere. Lately even allowed to do the final torque with my torque wrench before they fully release the floor jack.

I don't know if these guys left Mexico hoping to bring affordable auto repairs to America's poorest car owners, but that appears to be their clientele (other than me) and who keep showing up, in droves.

I always pay in cash. I never got the impression they did anything but. And some operations are $10/tire, like a patch or quality patch-plug, and M&B runs $15/tire. I think I had to pay $17/tire when a recent BMW wheel situation required new TPS sensors/valve installs. I used to take whatever I needed there in some other vehicle so I could just hand them a wheel and tire, and say "do X", because, like Francis in Stripes, I don't like people touching my stuff. But now that our fleet has a giant van that I can't get into our garage and I have no level place to jack it up and work on it, I have to take it to them even for rotations, and I've found out, I wasn't saving any money by removing the part where they used impact guns. They're just that cheap!

Now, I don't know if they're paying their workman's comp insurance or unemployment insurance or any kind of insurance! Or sales tax, I have no clue what they're doing, I'm sure the local MegaloTire chain feels oppressed by all of their overhead vs. these guys and their tire shack.

But these guys just have a great attitude. They don't whine or upsell, they tell it straight, they work hard.

Back in olden days, before Tire Rack was the mailorder monster it has become, I was an early customer of them. (I think the first place I mail ordered tires from in the 80's was soon after bought by the then-small Tire Rack.) So it was normal for me to take some new fancy Bridgestone or Yokohoma street tires down to the MegaloTire and say "M&B only, please", and then, when I started the autocross fanatic era, showing up with four tires and four wheels, same request, and the service writer said to me, "You know, we can get you these tires." So I said, "And how much would that cost?" And he started looking into it, I think he picked up the phone (i.e., called Tire Rack's commercial customer phone #) and when he was done with that, he told me the price, and four tires, it would all tally up $80 more than what I was doing. And he looked at me like, "So why aren't you doing that?" And I looked at him thinking "So why would I do that?" He thought I owed them a living, and I most certainly did not.

Hindsight: I'm now older but still fairly fit -- and I now realize that was the era of my putt putt cars with toy wheels and tires. Good Lord, the size and weight of wheels and tires on her used (decade old) BMW SUV shocks me. Me moving around those 14" alloy wheels and tires (ranging from 185mm to 225mm, depending) was not as easy as juggling tennis balls to me, but it sure didn't tax me.

In those days, when I lived in an apartment, the end of an autox weekend or Sunday meant coming home, backing into the parking space closest to my ground floor door, opening the hatch and unloading, and for wheels/tires, that meant, down the sidewalk a few steps, left turn at the hedge, through the front door, right turn through the living room, right turn through two doorways, into my bedroom, left turn into the closet, stack tire in rear corner. And if you're truly a fanatic you bag your race tires in contractor bags to slow down their aging, for they are like a rose that has been cut, and it's all death and decay from that point, the softness must be preserved...
 
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"Old tire 'splode!" where tire = 5 years old sounds like hogwash to me.

But I just remembered my local Wal-Mart tire & auto dept. (not a place I haunt much at all) told me once they couldn't mount a used tire and balance it because there might be road debris in it that went flying when they spun it, sorry, insurance regs. Now, just like your case, I'm sure the overarching policy is "SELL NEW TIRES" but I can kinda see that.

My Mexican tire guys aren't worried about that. They don't worry about much! More on them in a few minutes.
Discount tire will not mount tires that are over 10 years old! I had snow tires that were at 8/11 thread and were 10 years old. They refused to mount them!

I told them that I use my snow tires about 5 months a year and the rest of the time they are kept in dark plastic bags and stored in dark storage room. So technically they should be good for at least twice as long to no avail.
 
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Bob and Kay, thanks for the tip about the soundbar. I may have to get one! I think my hearing is pretty darned good, but movies nowadays have audio tracks chock full of busy-ness, assume you have a home stereo system hooked up to your TV, and for a generation now, so many actors are muttering and whispering and grunting.

I'd read about this somewhere else in 2024 but here's a quick article about it from the spring of 2025:


Someday, if I'm lucky, and not stupid enough to work hard at looking for it, I'll find the late night talk show appearance by Don Rickles where he explained that the old days were easier, an actor like Clark Gable talked clearly and enunciated all of the time, and didn't have to torment himself psychologically to get into the character for six months, he just said his lines. Something along the lines of Don Rickles imitating Clark Cable as a submarine commander, "Up periscope... (CUT!) Okay, now who wants to go get some lunch?" -- both in the same Clark Cable voice.
 

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Discount tire will not mount tires that are over 10 years old! I had snow tires that were at 8/11 thread and were 10 years old. They refused to mount them!

I told them that I use my snow tires about 5 months a year and the rest of time they are kept in dark plastic bags and stored in dark storage room. So technically they should be good for at least twice as long to no avail.

I have a buddy who tries to get the poor peon clerks at some national MegaloTire chain grasp that yes, he's putting tires on these wheels for this modern Lotus and no, that's not the size of tire the big book of tire sizes says came on that car. They're race tires, m'boy, and the car didn't have a supercharger on it originally, either! Just put the tires on the wheels!
 

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"tire dealers also offer to fill tires with nitrogen, which is supposed to increase tire life." :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Bob, I'm still driving a fair amount such that if I get 25-30,000 miles out of my tires, I'm happy. While I don't do the smoky burnouts in my Mini, I do max out the g-forces on all exit ramps and usually verify the speed rating (or as close as my foot will allow) along my Armageddon stretch of highway...nitrogen is a waste of money.
 
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I did some actual work in the garage. The Corvette leaves a drop of oil on the concrete floor of its bay in the garage to mark its territory. I don't see puddles in parking spaces when I drive the car two miles at a time but I do check the oil level frequently. Sometime last week I thought about driving the Vette and lifted the 100 pound hood to its full open position (it has two small gas struts that are more decorative than functional). When I pulled gently on the Engine Oil dipstick, the handle came off in my hand.
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The part of the handle left on the dipstick was so cracked I gave it a slight twist and it came off in three pieces. Gargoole found a bunch of used ones on eBay with prices close to $100 but I found a reproduction for a mere $48. Still high so I fell for a "This Fits Your Car" dipstick on Amazon for $25. When it arrived I compared it to the original and it's not even close. I would have to mount the new dipstick 3,.5" deeper in the engine, putting the knob right between two header pipes. Acceptable if I never expect to check the oil when the engine is hot.
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As I walked past my Costco restaurant rack full of parts, I noticed another dipstick and remembered it was intended for the big block in the '72 Corvette. I see that it comes with a very straight chrome tube but the one already in the Corvette is quite curved. OK, focus on the actual length of the dipstick. The second dipstick is less than an inch longer than the broken one so I took the billet knob off to see if there was a way to adjust its length and there is, there's a swaged thing clamping it in position. I line up the full marks (don't care about the Low or Add line) and use the billet knob to tap the swaged section and the machined holder down until it matches the old dipstick.
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Now the billet knob won't work until I cut the excess off the dipstick (it bent when the knob bottomed out). Grabbed my digital caliper and measured the depth of the threaded hole in the billet knob.
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Move the dipstick in position to mark how much to cut off so the dipstick bottoms in the billet knob hole and is neither pushed nor pulled out of position.
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It might not have been necessary but I have some orange thread locker so it should stay together even with the vibration of the engine.
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I'll take my rides to Dismount Tire and let the flying monkeys do the heavy work for me. Since I have so many vehicles/trailers, Dismount gives me a fleet discount. I think it's 7% discount, but don't quote me on that. And having to buy 2-3 sets of tires a year, it does add up.
Kirk, you provide enough work to keep that Dismount Tire store open all by yourself. They would be crazy to treat you like one of us peasants who see them two or three times a decade.
I take mine to Adirondack Tire. Used to be Park Tire. Nice folks. Have a do it right or make it right attitude. The flying monkeys are on short leashes. Not overly greedy. Too honest for their own good. Their lot is jammed every day, all day vs the competition, who have a few cars lined up.
Kay, you are dealing with a great business. The Tire Klingdom around the corner from me rarely has more than one car in its four bays. They are located right next to the police station so I suspect they may rely on those folks to stay open.
When I was working fire-rescue here in So. FL, on the rescue squad I normally-worked, Jimmy, one of my co-workers, was from Brooklyn. One day as we were riding around, he was speaking about a softball team he played-on, and he was listing the bats he liked. "I use an Ah-dare-un-dakkk sometimes," he said.

I about spit-out my coffee, "what kind of bat did you say you used?" I asked.

"An Ah-dare-un-dakk," he answered.

I decided to poke the bear. "Can you spell that?" I asked.

"No, but that's one I use," he said.

"When I was in the Boy Scouts, we used to spend time hiking in the mountains of upstate New York. The "Ad-uh-rawn-dak" mountains," I told my co-workers.

Jimmy died of cancer years-ago, but I still remember that day. A bit of down-time, on fire-rescue, when we all had a good laugh.
Philip, my mother was a first grade teacher and therefore used a limited vocabulary during the day. In her dotage she pronounced an awful lot of words incorrectly but understandable to the family. I knew she meant Gazpacho when she described a wonderful cold soup we had in Mexico but it came out as Bespacho. She also had a terrible time with names, calling my brother BoDick and me DiBob so I wondered if she kept track of her students names.
At first, I thought this was an after/before shot of my liver!...
Tom, I mistook it the other way with my after liver on the left. Mine will never look like the one on the right but cutting off my alcohol intake when I was 59 has given it a chance to stabilize.
And when I'm in a mood, it's Ah-DEER-on-dak.
Kay, it's a fun word to exaggerate.
Say, Bob, is that a Flexzilla hose? Air or water?
@Squankum, that's a Flexzilla. When one of my ancient hoses blows up a second time I go for a Flexzilla replacement so I have two 100' and a 50' 5/8" garden hoses. The two air hose reels in the garage have 1/2" Flexzilla hoses as does my extension hose on the old 25 gallon horizontal tank that I use out in the yard. It helps keep the pressure from dropping when I'm over 100 feet from the compressor in the garage.
"Old tire 'splode!" where tire = 5 years old sounds like hogwash to me.

But I just remembered my local Wal-Mart tire & auto dept. (not a place I haunt much at all) told me once they couldn't mount a used tire and balance it because there might be road debris in it that went flying when they spun it, sorry, insurance regs. Now, just like your case, I'm sure the overarching policy is "SELL NEW TIRES" but I can kinda see that.

My Mexican tire guys aren't worried about that. They don't worry about much! More on them in a few minutes.
I believe tires can fail at any age but it does become more likely at some age. I like 15 years if there's lots of tread left but when I see unusual wear patterns or threads I don't even look at the date code -- they gotta go.

Those Sumitomo tires on the Corvette were running rough at 60 mph so I took them to Tire Kingdom for a re-balance and they refused to touch them because they were 10 years old (in 2017). I put the tires in the PT Cruiser and took them to my Cuban/Puerto Rican tire store and they happily re-balanced them with half as many stick-on weights and completely eliminated the rough ride.
Yeah, I don't have an conspiratorial attitudes towards them, but they are unrelenting nerds. I remember in the early 90's, they did a comparison test of the VW Jetta Mk 3. vs Nissan Altima vs. I forget , and one of their top five complaints about the VW was that the starter motor was noisy. How much of your drive is plagued by that noise?
Sometimes I felt like CR was trying to one-up Ralph Nader. When I bought my Vega GT in 1971 it was because GM discontinued the Corvair in 1969. Actually, I might have bought a used '66 with a turbo if I had come across a used one in '71.
I suspect something has changed recently at Consumer Reports as there are now TV ads for cars touting their high ratings by CR. It used to be the CR lawyers went after advertisers with vengeance if they were mentioned in any ad. I have to wonder if they accept money for use be advertisers now??? In any case, I use their ratings to find absolute "dogs" in the marketplace, but many of the complaints they mention are superficial in nature, i.e. infotainment screens that are too difficult to use by drivers. I'm more concerned about transmissions that fail too soon, or catastrophic engine failures that now seem to be commonplace, to the point I won't buy a new GM or Ford product, and have had way too many failures in Chrysler products. Now, even Toyota is missing the reliability mark, much of which seems to have occurred during/post Covid. At least Toyota seems to be owning up to the V6 engine failures and replacing them without being threatened by the government. Quality seems to have taken a back seat to just pushing overpriced vehicles out the door and let the consumer be the beta tester! Most people get used to any interface be it easy or obtuse. It seems to affect their ratings more than necessary, but perhaps I'm too tolerant......on some things anyway!
Gil, I noticed the same thing and let my subscription expire when they bragged about how "independent" they were.
Is there a lot of construction in your neighborhood? Does somebody not like you?
I imagine it could be attributed to both, there's construction everywhere, and if I don't have enemies, I'm not breathing, though the new car doesn't pick up any. Go figure.
Kay, I remember the potholes in the backroads of New York State doing a fair bit of damage to my tires. Of course most of my cars back then had cotton or rayon holding the tire together. Inspection visit always included an alignment.
It won't at least till the warranty runs out!

I recently had to learn how the much larger half lives. I dealt with a normal tire shop. I recently upgraded the wheels on Ms. Squankum's least favorite vehicle, the Econoline. I wanted something lighter (for ride) and also wanted four wheels of the same offset (long story) and also that didn't look bad (rust, different colors, another story.) So the upgrade was to "factory Ford aluminum wheels of the same era", and the source was a big company that refinishes wheels and sells them on ebay. They may have more than one location in the nation (hazy memory, it was a few months back) and I was very impressed by the quality of their work. They really looked like brand new wheels! Machined and clearcoated in some spots, painted and clearcoated in others.

Then the new Firestones arrived from Tire Rack and I toodled on down to my usual friendly abnormal tire shop, explained what I was there for, and I started tearing into the four boxes of wheels I had, and there, in the bright sunlight of their parking lot, I noticed that this wheel reconditioning business has people with different ideas about what "charcoal" color meant for inset sections for this era of Ford wheels. Two were close to coal black metallic (what I was hoping for) and two were more like platinum, which Ford also did back when. They even had "charcoal" stickers on the inside of the barrels on the lighter colored ones.

Well, I was in a pickle, so I just had my tire guys mount and balance everything and put the dark colors on one side and the lighter colors on the other side. Ms. Squankum was hitting the road the next day, no time for a fix. Since this was a surprise gift, this also gave her a chance to tell me which of those two colors she did want!

So, months pass, the van is far away and there's nothing I can do about it. I mean, sure, I can ***** at the wheel reconditioner, and he can send me return labels to send back the wrong ones, and I can order two new ones of the right color (and open the boxes and check!) and send them back with her in her fancier new giant van another week, but can she take them to the tire shop that's 200 yards away from her business? NoooOOOoooOO.

So I drove down there for several days, she thought maybe I'd work selling tomatoes or something. I wound up fixing things that crossed my path, mostly, and having brought my tools this time, oh so many things presented themselves. Like the blower fan on the Econoline crapping out when I first drove it! None of this work was performed in a cool, dehumidified underground lair, oh no ,quite the opposite, and Spanish moss, too. There was, at least, a good shade tree.

Another Econoline chore I caught up on was getting the wrong color wheels removed and the tires remounted and balanced on the new, correctly colored wheels. Also, while the van drove reasonably straight, the position of the steering wheel indicated Something Was Wrong, so time for an alignment.


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I can't complain about the price of an alignment. I know how much money goes into that machine and that they don't let any flying monkey do that work.

I don't know if the tire M&B was done by a lower grade of monkey, but I did see the van in one bay, and later, in the bay with an alignment rack, which made sense, given the two missions. (Once or twice I left the store and walked down the busy highway 100 yards and peered across to the far side. Hard to hide a white van. Earlier in the process I just peered out the window to see if the van had left its parking spot.)

Not counting the shop supplies ******** (I'll never not hate that obvious gambit, I remember when I first saw it, my sister took her Jetta to a VW dealer in CA in the 80's) ... I paid about $80ish for M&B of two tires.

Now let me complain about the alignment: I didn't get much of a chance to test drive it, circumstances kept me hopping, but being a paranoid and distrustful sort, when I got the van back to my lair shade tree I did check the tire pressures and M&B monkey set them to about 55 psi and alignment monkey did not check that vs. the 35 psi I had the left side tires at. So the alignment isn't what it could be. I'm sure it's better than it was. So maybe I can complain a little about the price of that alignment...

Now, let me tell you about my local tire shop. They're Mexicans, the place is a hole in the wall. There are people I just cannot recommend it to. Waiting room? There are some old car seats sitting on the sidewalk out front. They are very dirty. Sometimes there's an office chair, also dirty. These seats might be in the shade, but sometimes not at all. They are probably out of the rain if it's a light drizzle.

There is no inside shop. Given the often pleasant weather of our region, they have a simple car lift, kind of an industrial grade QuickJack that you (or they) drive on and then the put some rubber scraps in there to pad your rocker seams or lift points and lift your car a foot in the air. They also have a lot of floor jacks.

The tire machines are inside a small shed tacked on to the front of the building. I don't know what the insurance requirements are (ha) but I'm allowed everywhere. Lately even allowed to do the final torque with my torque wrench before they fully release the floor jack.

I don't know if these guys left Mexico hoping to bring affordable auto repairs to America's poorest car owners, but that appears to be their clientele (other than me) and who keep showing up, in droves.

I always pay in cash. I never got the impression they did anything but. And some operations are $10/tire, like a patch or quality patch-plug, and M&B runs $15/tire. I think I had to pay $17/tire when a recent BMW wheel situation required new TPS sensors/valve installs. I used to take whatever I needed there in some other vehicle so I coudl jsut hand them a wheel or wheel and tire , and say "do X", because, like Francis in Stripes, I don't like people touching my stuff. But now that our fleet has a giant van that I can't get into our garage and I have no level place to jack it up and work on it, I have to take it to them even for rotations, and I've found out, I wasn't saving any money by removing the part where they used impact guns. They're just that cheap!

Now, I don't know if they're paying their workman's comp insurance or unemployment insurance or any kind of insurance! Or sales tax, I have no clue what they're doing, I'm sure the local MegaloTire chain feels oppressed by all of their overhead vs. these guys and their tire shack.

But these guys just have a great attitude. They don't whine or upsell, they tell it straight, they work hard.

Back in olden days, before Tire Rack was the mailorder monster it has become, I was an early customer of them. (I think the first place I mail ordered tires from in the 80's was soon after bought by the then-small Tire Rack.) So it was normal for me to take some new fancy Bridgestone or Yokohoma street tires down to the MegaloTire and say "M&B only, please", and then, when I started the autocross fanatic era, showing up with four tires and four wheels, same request, and the service writer said to me, "You know, we can get you these tires." So I said, "And how much would that cost?" And he started looking into it, I think he picked up the phone (i.e., called Tire Rack's commercial customer phone #) and when he was done with that, he told me the price, and four tires, it would all tally up $80 more than what I was doing. And he looked at me like, "So why aren't you doing that?" And I looked at hime thinking "So why would I do that?" hHe thought I owed them a living, and I most certainly did not.

Hindsight: I'm now older but still fairly fit -- and I now realize that was the era of my putt putt cars with toy wheels and tires. Good Lord, the size and weight of wheels and tires on her used (decade old) BMW SUV shock me. Me moving around those 14" alloy wheels and tires (ranging from 185mm to 225mm, depending) was not as easy as juggling tennis balls to me, but it sure didn't tax me.

In those days, when I lived in an apartment, the end of an autox weekend or Sunday meant coming home, backing into the parking space closest to my ground floor door, opening the hatch, and unloading, and for wheels/tires, that meant, down the sidewalk /a few steps, left turn at the hedge, through the front door, right turn through the living room, right turn through two doorways, into my bedroom, left turn into the closet, stack tire in rear corner. And if you're truly a fanatic you bag your race tires in contractor bags to slow down their aging, for they are like a rose that has been cut, and it's all death and decay from that point, the softness must be preserved...
@Squankum, my tire place has become the mobile one and he beats the Tire Rack prices but when I need something done right now, I go to the same place you have. It looks like something you'd find in Guadalahara but they are hard working, fair and do all the stuff the big shops won't touch. I feel guilty enough when they give me the bill that I give a tip that might buy a six pack of something for the gang.
Discount tire will not mount tires that are over 10 years old! I had snow tires that were at 8/11 thread and were 10 years old. They refused to mount them!

I told them that I use my snow tires about 5 months a year and the rest of time they are kept in dark plastic bags and stored in dark storage room. So technically they should be good for at least twice as long to no avail.
@gman007, those people are the reason I bought a bead breaker. Sometimes I wish one of my cars still had a bumper jack. I don't know what government agency is going to arrest the owner and employees for touching an old tire but they sure act like it's a nasty one.

I do remember the young ER doctor who bought his first home across the street from us. We became friends because he had a Porsche 356 he did a lot of work on. In 1978 a really really rich neurosurgeon at the hospital stopped by one day to show off his new Lamborghini Countach LP400 S. He paid the dealer an extra $10,000 to have the fugly US bumpers and pollution add-ons removed and the car really looked and sounded amazing. The cost of removing the stuff was a fraction of what he paid but the $10K covered the fine if the dealer was caught making the changes. The rich guy took Liane for a ride around the block but took one look at me and knew there'd be slobber all over the car if he let me near it. Besides, I looked like my avatar whenever I was home.
Bob and Kay, thanks for the tip about the soundbar. I may have to get one! I think my hearing is pretty darned good, but movies nowadays have audio tracks chock full of busy-ness, assume you have a home stereo system hooked up to your TV, and for a generation now, so many actors are muttering and whispering and grunting.

I'd read about this somewhere else in 2024 but here's a quick article about it from the spring of 2025:


Someday, if I'm lucky, and not stupid enough to work hard at looking for it, I'll find the late night talk show appearance by Don Rickles where he explained that the old days were easier, an actor like Clark Gable talked clearly and enunciated all of the time, and didn't have to torment himself psychologically to get into the character for six months, he just said his lines. Something along the lines of Don Rickles imitating Clark Cable as a submarine commander, "Up periscope... (CUT!) Okay, now who wants to go get some lunch?" -- both in the same Clark Cable voice.
Yesterday Liane asked me to pick "the movie" and I decided to break our streak of horror and violence centered films. I bought a Bluray copy of "Monty Python's Meaning of Life" and put it in the player. It has been a looooong time since we laughed that hard. One of the songs is currently a brain worm playing "Every sperm is sacred" in the background ever since.
I have a buddy who tries to get the poor peon clerks at some national MegaloTire chain grasp that yes, he's putting tires on these wheels for this modern Lotus and no, that's not the size of tire the big book of tire sizes says came on that car. They're race tires, m'boy, and the car didn't have a supercharger on it originally, either! Just put the tires on the wheels!
That's the reason I bought the tires for the PT Cruiser from Tire Rack and brought them to Tire Kingdom. They won't order anything but factory size if you don't have custom rims and they charge a whole lot extra for mounting tires on custom rims. they are so bad I used to take the center caps off the rims before I brought the car or wheels to them.
"tire dealers also offer to fill tires with nitrogen, which is supposed to increase tire life." :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Bob, I'm still driving a fair amount such that if I get 25-30,000 miles out of my tires, I'm happy. While I don't do the smoky burnouts in my Mini, I do max out the g-forces on all exit ramps and usually verify the speed rating (or as close as my foot will allow) along my Armageddon stretch of highway...nitrogen is a waste of money.
Mark, we belonged to a Corvette club for 20 years and one of the members was a blond beautician who inherited a decent amount when her mother passed. She splurged on a new Corvette in 1978 and took it to the dealer for service until the warranty ran. She asked one of the members who raced his '66 big block and made his living maintaining heavy equipment a simple question: "When I have the car serviced, what should I ask them to do?" He asked her: "When was the last time you had the air changed in your tires?" and she couldn't remember. I'm absolutely sure there's a shop in Fort Lauderdale that charged her to change the air.

If the nitrogen is free, like at Costco, I see no harm but I won't waste my time or money maintaining nitrogen in my tires. I have enough trouble remembering to check the pressure and adding air when it's low (when winter arrives) or high (when summer comes).
 

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In her dotage she pronounced an awful lot of words incorrectly but understandable to the family. I knew she meant Gazpacho when she described a wonderful cold soup we had in Mexico but it came out as Bespacho.
I had an autox buddy like that but he was doing it in middle age! We just kept a list in our heads of words in his world, to translate into our world. Fedora = Ferodo brake pads.

He worked as an engineer for a telecom of some kind and I figured, okay, he's not a words guy, maybe he's just a numbers/math/science guy -- then one night I visited him at home and he showed me the new engine he was building, his graduated cylinder, and how he was calculating compression ratio. He wasn't getting the answer he expected from his new fancy euro pistons so he was adding one ( + 1.0) to his equation. That's now how compression ratio calculations work! I tried to show him how the equation works, but... nah, wasn't penetrating. After that a friend of mine concluded with me that he must be doing well at work because he has a pleasant attitude and shows up on time.
 
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@Squankum, that's a Flexzilla. When one of my ancient hoses blows up a second time I go for a Flexzilla replacement so I have two 100' and a 50' 5/8" garden hoses. The two air hose reels in the garage have 1/2" Flexzilla hoses as does my extension hose on the old 25 gallon horizontal tank that I use out in the yard. It helps keep the pressure from dropping when I'm over 100 feet from the compressor in the garage.

Neat! I didn't do any research on this in recent weeks, I just knew from years-ago reading that Flexzilla has a lot of fans here at GJ. I ordered a 100' x 3/4" water hose for Ms. Squankum's business.

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She got a nozzle like this for another location recently, and loved it. I confessed recently elsewhere at GJ to spending and obscene amount on a Griot's Garage fireman-ish nozzle that will last forever and I felt kinda bad about it, but only a simmering level of emotion there. With two weeks of use, I sure came to love it. Then I tried this $19ish nozzle and just about got mad, it was so ****** in comparison. It barely flows water compared to my new normal! No matter what setting you dial it to! (irritable gesture here)
 
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I don't know what government agency is going to arrest the owner and employees for touching an old tire but they sure act like it's a nasty one.

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I do not believe the issue here is that these guys are worried about some agency coming after them!

At best giving them the benefit of doubt they might possibly be concerned if something happens with old tires and there is an accident as a result, etc , there might be civil suits!

But based on the fact that whenever they refuse to handle the old tires, they immediately go into sales pitch to sell new tires, I suspect this is just another dirty sales ploy!
 
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Neat! I didn't do any research on this in recent weeks, I just knew from years-ago reading that Flexzilla has a lot of fans here at GJ. I ordered a 100' x 3/4" water hose for Ms. Squankum's business.

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She got a nozzle like this for another location recently, and loved it. I confessed recently elsewhere at GJ to spending and obscene amount on a Griot's Garage fireman-ish nozzle that will last forever and I felt kinda bad about it, but only a simmering level of emotion there. With two weeks of use, I sure came to love it. Then I tried this $19ish nozzle and just about got mad, it was so ****** in comparison. It barely flows water compared to my new normal! No matter what setting you dial it to! (irritable gesture here)
One caveat, it will get stained and splotchy and look effing horrible, for the entire rest of your life. But that does not affect the lifetime and performance.
 

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You fellas saw the article on the business doing bad things to the diesel bro-dozers' emissions hardware/software, didn't you? I think the fines were something like seven figures, and maybe an invitation to Guantanamo Bay or South Sudan.


I had a similar experience to the Tire King-Dome turn-away over repairing tires, and like Bob, seeking-out the hard-working Mexican tire business, I went to a SW 8 St Miami location (it's colloquially-referred to as Calle Ocho) and got the tire repair done w/an inside patch, and a clean-up of the mounting bead on the steel wheels of an elderly Toyota.
 
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You fellas saw the article on the business doing bad things to the diesel bro-dozers' emissions hardware/software, didn't you? I think the fines were something like seven figures, and maybe an invitation to Guantanamo Bay or South Sudan.


I had a similar experience to the Tire King-Dome turn-away over repairing tires, and like Bob, seeking-out the hard-working Mexican tire business, I went to a SW 8 St Miami location (it's colloquially-referred to as Calle Ocho) and got the tire repair done w/an inside patch, and a clean-up of the mounting bead on the steel wheels of an elderly Toyota.
It seems in the emission case, they were breaking the law and the law is the law regardless of the fact that some might agree and some might disagree with this law.

Personally I am not aware of any law regarding the age of a tire in Michigan (and I did a search and it seems there is none) ! I believe at least in Michigan there is a law regarding the tire thread which stipulates that the min thread can not be less than 2/32 of an inch.
 
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Thinking about it today, it's not the criminal justice system they fear, it's the civil side of the court system and the lawyers who use it.
@Squankum, I agree. Civil or class action suits are the reason every drug ad on TV fast-talks the side effects. If you take their pill and die, you were warned so your survivors' case goes nowhere. When they fail to tell you their baby powder contains Asbestos, the 'Who can I sue' law firm will give your family a number to call if your baby died from mesothelioma.
Neat! I didn't do any research on this in recent weeks, I just knew from years-ago reading that Flexzilla has a lot of fans here at GJ. I ordered a 100' x 3/4" water hose for Ms. Squankum's business.

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She got a nozzle like this for another location recently, and loved it. I confessed recently elsewhere at GJ to spending and obscene amount on a Griot's Garage fireman-ish nozzle that will last forever and I felt kinda bad about it, but only a simmering level of emotion there. With two weeks of use, I sure came to love it. Then I tried this $19ish nozzle and just about got mad, it was so ****** in comparison. It barely flows water compared to my new normal! No matter what setting you dial it to! (irritable gesture here)
I bought a Flexzilla air hose years ago and liked it because it was light weight and brightly colored so I would be less likely to trip over it. I used to buy 3/4" garden hoses but they were real heavy and limited the length of hose my reels could hold. I replaced the 3/8" rubber hoses (with 1/4" MNPT fittings) on my air reels with 1/2" Flexzilla hoses (with 3/8" MNPT fittings) because they have thinner walls and the the same length hose fits just fine (50- and 25' hoses). I use the bigger hoses and fittings to provide the volume needed for die grinders and HVLP (High Volume Low Pressure) spray guns.

I can justify $75 for a 100' 5/8" garden hose but paying that much for a nozzle is too over the top for me. The fire-hose type is also more suited to two-handed adjustment. I'm sure I could overcome the issue but I've gotten used to toggle shutoff ball valves or squeeze triggers like the one you show. I actually ordered a Flexzilla nozzle today because it has a thumb control for the volume of whatever pattern is selected.
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I do not believe the issue here is that these guys are worried about some agency coming after them!

At best giving them the benefit of doubt they might possibly be concerned if something happens with old tires and there is an accident as a result, etc , there might be civil suits!

But based on the fact that whenever they refuse to handle the old tires, they immediately go into sales pitch to sell new tires, I suspect this is just another dirty sales ploy!
@gman007, you're right. In the case of the Lamborghini, the dealer was worried about the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) fining them. I think the tires are sorta regulated by the DOT (Department of Transportation) and NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration). New York vehicle inspections used to check my tires but Florida closed their inspection stations in 2000.

I agree that tire chain executives would prioritize new tire sales over safety but their lawyers would prioritize civil suits over everything else (law suits are expensive).
One caveat, it will get stained and splotchy and look effing horrible, for the entire rest of your life. But that does not affect the lifetime and performance.
Kay, you are absolutely right if the Flexzilla hose lives outside. The ones on hose reels in the garage are keeping their bright color but the ones outside look like they have something growing inside the bright green covers. I noticed Flexzilla is selling some muted color hoses now.
Oh, nothing ever gets mold and mildew on it in that swamp. :rolleyes:
FIFY: Oh, nothing ever everything gets mold and mildew on it in that swamp.
On a recent trip I figured out why her vans are black on top.



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@Squankum, when we lived in Wappingers Falls (NY) from 1966-75 we could see Central Hudson's Danskammer power station from our back yard. In the '60s (before EPA) when the wind was right, our house and vehicles had similar black stuff on them. It was the nighttime cleaning of the oil burning chimneys at the plant. Not sure exactly how they did the cleaning but apparently it produced oily black particles with gritty ashe in it. Based on it's evolution and sale it should have been renamed Mesothelioma Electric Inc.
 

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I actually ordered a Flexzilla nozzle today because it has a thumb control for the volume of whatever pattern is selected.

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OHHHHHHH.... I take back my grumbling about the flow volume of the nozzle Ms. Squankum likes. Just checked, and yeah, hers has one, too. I was too focused on the dial up front and the spray patterns, and I was moving quickly, and yes, I hadn't read the directions.

And yeah, the fireman type nozzle is for the two-handed, requires a lot of twisting to turn it off. I have an on/off valve on the shop hose but lately I move the nozzle out to a yard hose when I'm watering the new grass project. (Thank you, quick disconnects!) You know how powerful this nozzle is? Within an hour of watering with it the thunder started and now we've had hours of rain!

In other Nozzle News, Fiskars uh... this was 2014, so it's only news to me. Gilmour belonged to Robert Bosch Power Tool, but then Fiskars bought it from them.

My other Flexzilla research was several years ago, I was perusing a DIY warehouse hardware store (of the miniscule variety, but bigger than any Ace) in a small town in Montana when I found bulk Flexzilla air hose for sale, and it was so flexible and soft! The Sears Craftsman retracting hose reel I bought has some other plastic hose in it that generally gets the job done but when jumbled on the floor, it has some stiffness to it and will pop up, posing more of a trip hazard. Someday I'll need to open that housing up to figure out how the catch broke, and load it up with better hose, and maybe more length in it, too.
 
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Bob, I hope I didn't rock the boat too far with doing my own tire service... I didn't realize what was out there for businesses and such.

On the 4th of July, my son asked me if I knew anything about wheel alignments... Front end alignments... Well, a little bit, was my answer... He has a friend that needs help with an alignment. I taught him (son) Soo much about wheel alignments... I'm no expert, but understand the specifics, the basics. If you will... I've only done camber and toe-in so far and realize that there's more out there that aren't really adjustable, let's say caster and steering axis inclination. His friend isn't trying to do something like a lifted pickup, just something regular. I told him to adjust the camber angle first, as that affects toe-in. He has my rod stands that I used to use. Four stands, with Mason's yellow string in between each one, (one setup per side) Set up the stands, make sure to center (level) the steering wheel in the first place. With the strings, you could tell immediately which tie rod to adjust first, for doing toe-in. I told him when he does toe-in, make an adjustment, rock the vehicle back and forth, lengthwise with it in neutral, and your last move should be in the forward direction. The only reason for toe-in is that when you are going down the hwy, the wheels straighten out to a straight condition. I also told him that I've learned that either positive or negative camber really wears out the inner or outer edge of the tire. I always had the best tire life with zero camber... Race cars are probably different, but for street vehicles, mini-vans and such.
 

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I always wanted to improve my accuracy with the four stands and simple string. I had an idea to use lasers!!! I already bought some simple "Chase the cat upstairs with a laser light". Toy lasers. It was a matter of time to make mounts and such and to calibrate the lasers. But I think about the accuracy I could've produced by using them. A chunk of plywood about 50 feet away would've greatly increased my accuracy above the string lines..
 

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Ha... I once bought a set of chrome wheels for my Chevy pickup... From my cousin. Nice wide ones... I had to hide those wheels in my closet for a while, until I had the nerve to tell my Dad this... He was not happy with my purchase.... It really took the fun out of buying nice wheels for my pickup...
 

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Upper and lower ball joints make an angle of contact on the road at the (hopefully) at the center of contact of the tire at the ground. If you start lifting the truck or put wide Chromies on, well, all bets are off. A wider wheel puts more stress on the wheel bearings, and rightly so.
I should've specified further that a body lift on a pickup doesn't change geometry, but a larger diameter (taller) tire (or wider) certainly does!! People nowadays try to lower a pickup or a Porsche to make it look cool. I never understood "stance" I was always the opposite where I thought a lift looked better on a pickup. Back in my day, a muscle car looked cool if you would make longer shackles for the back of the leaf springs. And "Jack it up" so to speak. I did that once on a Plymouth Sport Fury. A look alike to the Cordoba. Neat car, the leaf springs sucked. My fix was to make longer shackles for the back of the springs. (About a foot long...) I maybe went a little overboard with my length as by then the leaf springs were kind of sprung in the wrong direction... I probably should've replaced the springs instead... But it looked cool, at least to me. One day, a very friendly hwy patrol officer pulled me over to tell me that my car didn't look safe with the lengthened shackles in it. I assured him that my reason for doing that was to keep the gas tank and the muffler off the road, every time I hit a bump. He understood, but still didn't think my car was safe...
 
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One word of advice from myself would be that you don't weld a main shaft in a manual ****** to replace it it with a spline from an automatic. Now, some better backstory, if you will. Yes, I put a ton of miles on the '89 pickup. The automatic 700R4 ****** went out. I rebuilt it along with Dad's help. We had to go shopping for parts for the final drive of the thing. A gear has stripped its teeth. Whatever.. I put the truck back together and drove it for another 100,000 miles and the automatic transmission went out again!! At this point, I'm done with auto magic transmissions... I put new pedals in for a clutch pedal and had to mount a master cylinder for the clutch for the hydraulic clutch slave cylinder. i took an '86 Chev Blazer apart for the manual transmission. I put the new manual transmission in place, time for the transfer case... Nope the spline was bigger than an automatic transmission. I took the transmission out again, took it fully apart to get to the main shaft. I had to machine special puller jaws to get it apart. Now, I put an abrasive wheel on my table saw and cut the spline off. I did the same with an output shaft from an automatic. I spent a couple of days to get this far. I put the main shaft in the lathe and drilled (and bored) a hole in the end and did the same with the automatic spline for a dowel pin slightly press fit. Both pieces have very generous weld chamfers on them at this point. I welded the automatic shaft to the main shaft the best I could with DC. 7018 rod. Once done, I put the main shaft back into the lathe and of course, there was some runout. I marked the low side, gave it a bit more weld to straighten things out. Once done with that, I heated my weld one more time with a torch while my main shaft was still between centers on my lathe to try to relieve stresses. I put the transmission back together again and put it into the truck. Once done with everything, I started the engine and put it into reverse. I slightly revvd the engine and slid my foot off the clutch pedal.. my truck squeaked it's tires on my concrete floor. Well, nothing broke, at least my weld didn't break, so I'm good.... We put a ton of miles on that truck over the next year... Duluth, North Dakota, Iowa for tractor shows, absolutely everything... About a year later I was once in Hudson at a stop light. Once green I put it into gear and just the engine would rev up. I knew exactly what happened... My weld broke on the main shaft... But it took me a year and many thousands of miles to figure out that my best efforts on my weld has failed... My best advise is to Don't ever weld a main shaft in a transmission....
 

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After the main shaft (my weld) broke, I went to a junk yard for another transmission. We have one, about 700 dollars with an exchange.. the new transmission has the larger spline on it and wouldn't fit the transfer case. So I asked about a new transfer case. Same deal, 700 dollars with exchange. I politely walked away from them and went home . I pulled out an older Muncie? Saginaw? Three on a tree three speed transmission. Since this transmission came out of a car and I'm putting this thing into a truck that is 4 wheel drive, I had to take the tail shaft housing off and make my own housing to match the transfer case. I used at least 1/2" steel on it as I wanted it to be bullet proof... That worked as I made it out of a weldment. I had to use Cheryl's oven to stress relieve it. She wasn't particularly happy with that part of the project. I put the transmission in, then it comes time to put the transfer case back in... It mostly slid into place, but the spline on the transmission was about 1 inch too long... Dang it!!! Put the transfer case off to the side, packed my newly made tail housing with rags, took an angle grinder and cut the spline a bit shorter. I took my time with the grinder, trying to not overheat the spline. I'd grind for a few seconds, then applied a wet rag on it to keep it cool, so I didn't ruin the heat treating on it. That worked. Since the trans was a side-cover type of affair, I had to make my own shifting linkage to make everything work along with a new shift lever in the truck. At the end, everything worked, but I can't imagine the amount of hours I had in it.
 
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I did some actual work in the garage. The Corvette leaves a drop of oil on the concrete floor of its bay in the garage to mark its territory. I don't see puddles in parking spaces when I drive the car two miles at a time but I do check the oil level frequently. Sometime last week I thought about driving the Vette and lifted the 100 pound hood to its full open position (it has two small gas struts that are more decorative than functional). When I pulled gently on the Engine Oil dipstick, the handle came off in my hand.
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Bob, I got lucky a few years ago. The pull handle on my 1980's Mercedes's dipstick is a plastic finger loop, and it broke off in my hand one day when I tugged. Luckily, I found one on ebay. And what I found was a Chinese seller. As I perused the seller's storefront, I noticed they were dismantllng this popular Mercedes chassis one bit at a time. Valve keepers, anything. All a function of labor costs, for them to dismantle and then put parts up as an ebay listing to see who bites.

I had the same failure with a similar T-handle dipstick on our high mileage Durango, but that was a normal ebay seller in the USA. (At the rate she accumulates miles, I can't always wait to peruse junkyards and hope I can grab it that way someday.)
 
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Bob, I hope I didn't rock the boat too far with doing my own tire service... I didn't realize what was out there for businesses and such.

On the 4th of July, my son asked me if I knew anything about wheel alignments... Front end alignments... Well, a little bit, was my answer... He has a friend that needs help with an alignment. I taught him (son) Soo much about wheel alignments... I'm no expert, but understand the specifics, the basics. If you will... I've only done camber and toe-in so far and realize that there's more out there that aren't really adjustable, let's say caster and steering axis inclination. His friend isn't trying to do something like a lifted pickup, just something regular. I told him to adjust the camber angle first, as that affects toe-in. He has my rod stands that I used to use. Four stands, with Mason's yellow string in between each one, (one setup per side) Set up the stands, make sure to center (level) the steering wheel in the first place. With the strings, you could tell immediately which tie rod to adjust first, for doing toe-in. I told him when he does toe-in, make an adjustment, rock the vehicle back and forth, lengthwise with it in neutral, and your last move should be in the forward direction. The only reason for toe-in is that when you are going down the hwy, the wheels straighten out to a straight condition. I also told him that I've learned that either positive or negative camber really wears out the inner or outer edge of the tire. I always had the best tire life with zero camber... Race cars are probably different, but for street vehicles, mini-vans and such.

Normally I prescribe a copy of Fred Puhn's How to Make Your Car Handle, pgs. 72-88, for him to start learning the basics. And the rest of the book. He needs to read the book!



Grassroots Motorsports magazine once did a good article about string alignments that I've zeroxed and have somewhere, but in these modern times, hey, now they have videos:

https://www.youtube.com/live/zFevfn_lhmc?si=_KJh6fLZU1bdMWgq
 
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You fellas saw the article on the business doing bad things to the diesel bro-dozers' emissions hardware/software, didn't you? I think the fines were something like seven figures, and maybe an invitation to Guantanamo Bay or South Sudan.


I had a similar experience to the Tire King-Dome turn-away over repairing tires, and like Bob, seeking-out the hard-working Mexican tire business, I went to a SW 8 St Miami location (it's colloquially-referred to as Calle Ocho) and got the tire repair done w/an inside patch, and a clean-up of the mounting bead on the steel wheels of an elderly Toyota.
Philip, I wasn't aware of the fines. I watched Diesel Brothers for a couple of seasons but it drifted away from fabrication to just another reality show personality festival.

The little businesses that will solve your tire problems are great.

Miami is less confused than Manhattan. Calling SW 8th Street Calle Ocho in Miami's Little Havana makes sense. Calling "Avenue of the Americas" 6th Avenue and then calling 4th Avenue "Park Avenue" doesn't.
It seems in the emission case, they were breaking the law and the law is the law regardless of the fact that some might agree and some might disagree with this law.

Personally I am not aware of any law regarding the age of a tire in Michigan (and I did a search and it seems there is none) ! I believe at least in Michigan there is a law regarding the tire thread which stipulates that the min thread can not be less than 2/32 of an inch.
@gman007, you're right and if you do the crime, you do the time (or pay the fine). I wonder if removing the bumperettes from my Fiat X1/9 will come back to haunt me someday.

As far as I can tell, the tire companies are the ones with their ******* in a twist, not the local or state governments.
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OHHHHHHH.... I take back my grumbling about the flow volume of the nozzle Ms. Squankum likes. Just checked, and yeah, hers has one, too. I was too focused on the dial up front and the spray patterns, and I was moving quickly, and yes, I hadn't read the directions.

And yeah, the fireman type nozzle is for the two-handed, requires a lot of twisting to turn it off. I have an on/off valve on the shop hose but lately I move the nozzle out to a yard hose when I'm watering the new grass project. (Thank you, quick disconnects!) You know how powerful this nozzle is? Within an hour of watering with it the thunder started and now we've had hours of rain!

In other Nozzle News, Fiskars uh... this was 2014, so it's only news to me. Gilmour belonged to Robert Bosch Power Tool, but then Fiskars bought it from them.

My other Flexzilla research was several years ago, I was perusing a DIY warehouse hardware store (of the miniscule variety, but bigger than any Ace) in a small town in Montana when I found bulk Flexzilla air hose for sale, and it was so flexible and soft! The Sears Craftsman retracting hose reel I bought has some other plastic hose in it that generally gets the job done but when jumbled on the floor, it has some stiffness to it and will pop up, posing more of a trip hazard. Someday I'll need to open that housing up to figure out how the catch broke, and load it up with better hose, and maybe more length in it, too.
@Squankum, since I had the tires on the Corvette replaced it has rained or threatened to rain just about every day. I haven't yet tried the Flexzilla nozzle but I really like the thumb control and I put a quick connect plug on it so it's ready for a test.
Bob, I hope I didn't rock the boat too far with doing my own tire service... I didn't realize what was out there for businesses and such.

On the 4th of July, my son asked me if I knew anything about wheel alignments... Front end alignments... Well, a little bit, was my answer... He has a friend that needs help with an alignment. I taught him (son) Soo much about wheel alignments... I'm no expert, but understand the specifics, the basics. If you will... I've only done camber and toe-in so far and realize that there's more out there that aren't really adjustable, let's say caster and steering axis inclination. His friend isn't trying to do something like a lifted pickup, just something regular. I told him to adjust the camber angle first, as that affects toe-in. He has my rod stands that I used to use. Four stands, with Mason's yellow string in between each one, (one setup per side) Set up the stands, make sure to center (level) the steering wheel in the first place. With the strings, you could tell immediately which tie rod to adjust first, for doing toe-in. I told him when he does toe-in, make an adjustment, rock the vehicle back and forth, lengthwise with it in neutral, and your last move should be in the forward direction. The only reason for toe-in is that when you are going down the hwy, the wheels straighten out to a straight condition. I also told him that I've learned that either positive or negative camber really wears out the inner or outer edge of the tire. I always had the best tire life with zero camber... Race cars are probably different, but for street vehicles, mini-vans and such.
Rick, my boat is riding steady as can be.

Had I stayed in New York I'm sure I would have invested it some DIY wheel alignment tools and setups. Florida roads have the occasional dip or bump in the roads but there are very few 'rattle your teeth' holes and my steering wheel has stayed level. I know the wear indicators on the Corvette's lower ball joints are telling me it's time to replace them. They are neatly stacked with a full set of urethane bushings but I've managed to postpone the work for several years. Mostly by not driving the car.
Upper and lower ball joints make an angle of contact on the road at the (hopefully) at the center of contact of the tire at the ground. If you start lifting the truck or put wide Chromies on, well, all bets are off. A wider wheel puts more stress on the wheel bearings, and rightly so.
Not owning a truck, all my suspension changes involve lowering, not lifting the stance on my cars. Only one I haven't touched is the Cadillac. Messing with expensive magnetic struts and shocks isn't in my near term plans. Stock tires and rims on that car are about as big as I want to go.
I always wanted to improve my accuracy with the four stands and simple string. I had an idea to use lasers!!! I already bought some simple "Chase the cat upstairs with a laser light". Toy lasers. It was a matter of time to make mounts and such and to calibrate the lasers. But I think about the accuracy I could've produced by using them. A chunk of plywood about 50 feet away would've greatly increased my accuracy above the string lines..
I do own a Harbor Freight laser level so I guess it could be done.
I should've specified further that a body lift on a pickup doesn't change geometry, but a larger diameter (taller) tire (or wider) certainly does!! People nowadays try to lower a pickup or a Porsche to make it look cool. I never understood "stance" I was always the opposite where I thought a lift looked better on a pickup. Back in my day, a muscle car looked cool if you would make longer shackles for the back of the leaf springs. And "Jack it up" so to speak. I did that once on a Plymouth Sport Fury. A look alike to the Cordoba. Neat car, the leaf springs sucked. My fix was to make longer shackles for the back of the springs. (About a foot long...) I maybe went a little overboard with my length as by then the leaf springs were kind of sprung in the wrong direction... I probably should've replaced the springs instead... But it looked cool, at least to me. One day, a very friendly hwy patrol officer pulled me over to tell me that my car didn't look safe with the lengthened shackles in it. I assured him that my reason for doing that was to keep the gas tank and the muffler off the road, every time I hit a bump. He understood, but still didn't think my car was safe...
Rick, hot rodders are a fickle bunch. In the '70s It was lower in the front and lifted in the rear.
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Others liked it the other way, lifted in the front and stock or lowered in the rear.
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More than a few Floridians like their trucks lifted. I can't do that for fear of a pair of fractured hips if I forget to use the stepladder.
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Much as I loved George and Sam Barris iconic chopped Hirohata Mercury, I was more in love with Bill Dunn's sectioned 50 Ford shoebox he named Monte Carlo. It doesn't look all that radical until you see it next to a stock one.
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Turns out someone else loved Bill Dunn's sectioned Ford and had a modern version built for $1.4 million. Bill Levin had Wicked Fabrication not only section the body, they flattened the roof and modifed the hood . Power comes from an old fashioned Ford Y-block with a upgraded Hilborn fuel injection system.
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Thousands of other modifications were done, shown in this Hot Rod Article: https://www.hotrod.com/features/bruce-levens-gran-turismo-winning-1951-ford-coupe
I consider it a work of art. Yet it is driven:

One word of advice from myself would be that you don't weld a mRiain shaft in a manual ****** to replace it it with a spline from an automatic. Now, some better backstory, if you will. Yes, I put a ton of miles on the '89 pickup. The automatic 700R4 ****** went out. I rebuilt it along with Dad's help. We had to go shopping for parts for the final drive of the thing. A gear has stripped its teeth. Whatever.. I put the truck back together and drove it for another 100,000 miles and the automatic transmission went out again!! At this point, I'm done with auto magic transmissions... I put new pedals in for a clutch pedal and had to mount a master cylinder for the clutch for the hydraulic clutch slave cylinder. i took an '86 Chev Blazer apart for the manual transmission. I put the new manual transmission in place, time for the transfer case... Nope the spline was bigger than an automatic transmission. I took the transmission out again, took it fully apart to get to the main shaft. I had to machine special puller jaws to get it apart. Now, I put an abrasive wheel on my table saw and cut the spline off. I did the same with an output shaft from an automatic. I spent a couple of days to get this far. I put the main shaft in the lathe and drilled (and bored) a hole in the end and did the same with the automatic spline for a dowel pin slightly press fit. Both pieces have very generous weld chamfers on them at this point. I welded the automatic shaft to the main shaft the best I could with DC. 7018 rod. Once done, I put the main shaft back into the lathe and of course, there was some runout. I marked the low side, gave it a bit more weld to straighten things out. Once done with that, I heated my weld one more time with a torch while my main shaft was still between centers on my lathe to try to relieve stresses. I put the transmission back together again and put it into the truck. Once done with everything, I started the engine and put it into reverse. I slightly revvd the engine and slid my foot off the clutch pedal.. my truck squeaked it's tires on my concrete floor. Well, nothing broke, at least my weld didn't break, so I'm good.... We put a ton of miles on that truck over the next year... Duluth, North Dakota, Iowa for tractor shows, absolutely everything... About a year later I was once in Hudson at a stop light. Once green I put it into gear and just the engine would rev up. I knew exactly what happened... My weld broke on the main shaft... But it took me a year and many thousands of miles to figure out that my best efforts on my weld has failed... My best advise is to Don't ever weld a main shaft in a transmission....
You're not the only one. The two-speed automatic in our '55 Plymouth worked but I hated it. In the middle of winter I removed the automatic, changed the flywheel, added a clutch plate, replaced the brake pedal assembly with a brake/clutch pedal setup (mechanical clutch linkage so no master cylinder needed. Bought a junkyard 3-speed and a floor shift conversion kit. Installed a bronze bushing in the flywheel and jockeyed the transmission into place. I had minimal tools but I managed to get the transmission almost installed. With a 1/4" gap between the transmission and bell housing I gave my wrench an extra ugga-dugga and one of the ears on the transmission snapped. Took the transmission back to the junkyard and the guy told me the crankshafts were different with a deeper pilot bearing hole in the automatic ones. He cut a 1/4" piece off the transmission shaft and didn't charge me for the second transmission or the torching of the mainshaft. It went back together with no problems and ran for another year.
After the main shaft (my weld) broke, I went to a junk yard for another transmission. We have one, about 700 dollars with an exchange.. the new transmission has the larger spline on it and wouldn't fit the transfer case. So I asked about a new transfer case. Same deal, 700 dollars with exchange. I politely walked away from them and went home . I pulled out an older Muncie? Saginaw? Three on a tree three speed transmission. Since this transmission came out of a car and I'm putting this thing into a truck that is 4 wheel drive, I had to take the tail shaft housing off and make my own housing to match the transfer case. I used at least 1/2" steel on it as I wanted it to be bullet proof... That worked as I made it out of a weldment. I had to use Cheryl's oven to stress relieve it. She wasn't particularly happy with that part of the project. I put the transmission in, then it comes time to put the transfer case back in... It mostly slid into place, but the spline on the transmission was about a 1/2 inch too long... Dang it!!! Put the transfer case off to the side, packed my newly made tail housing with rags, took an angle grinder and cut the spline a bit shorter. I took my time with the grinder, trying to not overheat the spline. I'd grind for a few seconds, then applied a wet rag on it to keep it cool, so I didn't ruin the heat treating on it. That worked. Since the trans was a side-cover type of affair, I had to make my own shifting linkage to make everything work along with a new shift lever in the truck. At the end, everything worked, but I can't imagine the amount of hours I had in it.
You sound like me, making a whole lot of work for yourself to save a few pennies. Back in 1963 my time was worth $1.25 an hour but only when I was working. The transmission swap cost more than the car was worth but my night time labor was free.
 
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The EPA went after almost all of the diesel high performance repair shops. There were at least 3 in southern Michigan that got shut down. And I have it from a good source that all of the fines were well into the 7 figures, if not into the 8 figures. They also went after people modding gas motors as well.

Bob, I agree with you, I love that Ford. Though I'm not a fan of the gray, or the fake hood straps. Still, I'd clear space in the shop to park it.
 
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Bob, I got lucky a few years ago. The pull handle on my 1980's Mercedes's dipstick is a plastic finger loop, and it broke off in my hand one day when I tugged. Luckily, I found one on ebay. And what I found was a Chinese seller. As I perused the seller's storefront, I noticed they were dismantllng this popular Mercedes chassis one bit at a time. Valve keepers, anything. All a function of labor costs, for them to dismantle and then put parts up as an ebay listing to see who bites.

I had the same failure with a similar T-handle dipstick on our high mileage Durango, but that was a normal ebay seller in the USA. (At the rate she accumulates miles, I can't always wait to peruse junkyards and hope I can grab it that way someday.)
@Squankum, I have a love-hate relationship with eBay. Several times I have purchased things that were nothing like their description. Rarely does eBay back up the buyer because the sellers put statements in the very bottom of their ad with "Returns not accepted" to get them off the hook. I've also purchased items that say "Tested and working" that don't work when I receive them.

I was absolutely certain that the 40-year old dipsticks advertised on eBay were one tug away from disintegrating. The $48 reproduction didn't instill confidence either. So many new plastic items turn into gummy bears long before they break.
Normally I prescribe a copy of Fred Puhn's How to Make Your Car Handle, pgs. 72-88, for him to start learning the basics. And the rest of the book. He needs to read the book!



Grassroots Motorsports magazine once did a good article about string alignments that I've zeroxed and have somewhere, but in these modern times, hey, now they have videos:

https://www.youtube.com/live/zFevfn_lhmc?si=_KJh6fLZU1bdMWgq
I remember an article showing how to make a pair of aluminum plates with slots in them so accurate readings could be taken with the string and two tape measures. The Corvette club I joined in 1977 disbanded in 1996 when I was not paying attention (AOL years). I was elected Vice President a dozen times because one of the duties of the position was writing the monthly newsletter. It's hard to find autocross events if you don't join a club that puts them on.

I did provide the alignment shop with the Eibach instructions for setting up our BMW after I installed their springs. My BMW was a gray market 733i that didn't have all the emission stuff and had small bumpers. I painted the rear pan to match the silver body color (instead of the stock matte black). I bought a set of Michelin TRX rims and tires (220/55 VR 390mm [15.3543in]) from a friend who wanted BBS wheels that took non-metric tires on his '87 535is. I loved that car, especially the way it handled but the power steering wasn't one-finger American style so Liane hated it.
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I put Eibach springs on the PT Cruiser and put an eccentric adjuster on the front suspension, again requiring an alignment to Eibach specs. I felt the stock ride height on a PT Cruiser looked silly. The lowering springs helped but because ours is a Turbo model (but not GT) the front bumper cover has an extra lip on the bottom to help force more air into the intercooler. The lip put the bumper cover about a half inch lower than the standard parking curb and Liane likes to use them to stop the car. Bumper cover slips over the curb but catches when you back up so I became an expert at pop-riviting it back together with an aluminum bracket added to the front fender. When I replaced the front struts I added an extra 1/2" spacer so it's still lower than stock but the bumper cover lasts a whole lot longer.
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The EPA went after almost all of the diesel high performance repair shops. There were at least 3 in southern Michigan that got shut down. And I have it from a good source that all of the fines were well into the 7 figures, if not into the 8 figures. They also went after people modding gas motors as well.

Bob, I agree with you, I love that Ford. Though I'm not a fan of the gray, or the fake hood straps. Still, I'd clear space in the shop to park it.
Kirk, I think the diesel shops did it to themselves. It's hard to miss a modified diesel on the street when it's "Rolling Coal." My salvation with gas motor mods is the age of the vehicles. The '87 Corvette is wearing Antique plates and the '04 PT Cruiser is too grandpa looking to attract attention from the PoPos.

I think your critique of that Ford is spot on. Shiny Battleship Gray is my least favorite trend in car colors. The leather straps are actually functional but to me they detract from the car's looks.
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I get that race cars in the '50s had leather straps keeping body panels from flying off and the Ford Y-block engine is period correct but if it was my $1,400,000 the hidden ones would have been enough.
Who can forget Billy Gibbon's ZZ Top Cadzilla??? That's my vote,, if we were voting!

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Gil, that's the GOAT custom. Billy Gibbons commissioned Boyd Coddington to build it and it cost him $900,000. Adjusted for inflation that's $2,333,213.71 today.

The thing that impressed me about that the work Valley Customs did on Ron Dunn's 1950 Ford back in 1953 was the limited use of lead to get the body straight. I remember the article in one of the '50s car magazines describing the hammer weld technique used to make the 5-inch section look seamless. It didn't need the chrome trim to hide the work but that was the style back then. The car has recently gone through a full restoration to the second iteration of the car that includeed a new grille and nerf bars.
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The more recent homage to that car is equally impressive in bare metal.
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As was the Cadzilla in bare metal. The amazing thing about the Cadzzilla is how identifiable it is as a custom '48 Caddilac yet so little of the car is original metal. There's some pieces of the roof, hood and fenders but even those are blended into the surrounding custom fabricated sections.
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I was absolutely certain that the 40-year old dipsticks advertised on eBay were one tug away from disintegrating. The $48 reproduction didn't instill confidence either. So many new plastic items turn into gummy bears long before they break.

Bob, after typing my thing yesterday about 80's Mercedes dispstick and your 80's Vette dipstick and our '00 Durango dipstick, I realize, when most people nowadays bellyache about "these newfangled disposable cars", we're even on the periphery of them, saying "And the dipstick handles only last 37 years!"

Now, my '85 VW, the dipstick is slightly more than a wire coathanger. The part you put a finger in and pull is just a shepherd's crook made of wire. However, the modern part of it was their wanting to make the top of the dipstick tube visible, with a plastic red socket. That eventually dies and cracks and now you have to do something about plastic shards not moving to the sump. Then ya goes to the dealer and they sell you a replacement but now it's orange! Now they'll never let me get into Pebble Beach! (OK, the list of reasons for that is pretty long.)

I'm always amazed at the efforts they made to try to encourage the ignorant to please check their fluids... and please put the right fluids in the right holes!* My YouTube dance ticket is full, and alas, one channel I don't watch regularly is "Just Rolled In", and it's just an ongoing nightmare there, one theme being "you poured vegetable oil in what?"

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* Yes, full disclosure, I did a boo boo earlier this year. I was tired, okay? :rolleyes:
 

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Leather hood straps: they kind of migrated from the era of long-nosed cars with hinged side panels for engine access, when they were raced, no? I can see them being useful after contact during road racing.

Growing up I wondered if as many kids were putting hood pins into the hoods of their hot roddy Detroit cars as neeeded to under race rules/car classing, or if it just looked cool because (roll eyes) "looks like race car." My inner cynic wondered for a long time how Germany could build all of these cars going 150-200 mph with normal hood catches, but these kids over here with the Camaro need pins.

Is it about engines exploding and trying to take the hood with them?
 

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Many if not all new cars seem to have eliminated the lipstick altogether, save for maybe the one behind the wheel! Now you have to look at a screen to check the level, which I suspect no one ever does. It appears manufacturers don't want owners checking anything under the hood.....
 

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Many if not all new cars seem to have eliminated the lipstick altogether, save for maybe the one behind the wheel! Now you have to look at a screen to check the level, which I suspect no one ever does. It appears manufacturers don't want owners checking anything under the hood.....

The BMW I have to work on has that. I call it the dipscreen. Modern customers not popping the hood long predated the automakers giving them an electronic dipstick! One of my family members is convinced everything under the engine bay is UNCLEAN, and I have tried to remind her that she's not driving through manure fields.

What that BMW does do that's better than an analog stick is give a big warning on the screen when you do get below acceptable range. The dipscreen has a little bar graph and the range is two quarts, to get it from bottom line to full line. (For a six quart total.) When the screen goes off with this big warning as you toodle down the interstate, it's pretty clear that this is about oil level, not pressure. Two concepts the lay driver in America struggles to keep separate.

Still, I wish it had a dipstick, too, so I can do an oil change without having to fire it up and let it idle for minutes to know if it's correct. (OTOH, I just did an oil change this week and 6.0 quarts was just what it wanted, so no problem.)

Two more "boos" to BMW on this car, when it comes to driver awareness of fluids: the coolant tank is black plastic. You can't see a thing. Meaning you have to do the hot radiator cap thing (or, better yet, not do) if you want to take a peek. There is, however, a little sensor to set off an alarm screen, should you run low on coolant. It's in the bottom of the overflow tank.

I'm also not sure how it works! I think "entering bottom of tank, from below, with a soft gooey sealing gasket" is arrogant spitting in Murphy's Law's face. It has two tiny prongs and my best guess is that the penetrate the soft seal when the sensor is pushed into position, and the rest is electronics.

Brake master cylinder and fluid reservoir is hidden under a big plastic screen that keeps leaves (just not our house's kind of leaves) out of the cowl area.

The power steering reservoir, at least, is right out in the open and the cap has a little dipstick in it. So that's normal.

The new used Ford Transit I work on, it took me a few peeks to realize that I wasn't checking power steering fluid, then I started looking for the pump, and, well, that's easy. There isn't a pump or reservoir, for it is very modern.

Of course the biggest argument for retaining a dipstick is "and what happens when the gizmos break"? How will an old man 37 years later check the oil level?! Not something automakers care about. Hey, I think hybrid cars should be able to be driven in pure gas or pure electric mode as needed. I care about owners in the years 10-20 and 20-30 of the vehicle's life span. (Yes, there is no salt where I am. I saw an Eagle Talon this week, and it was mint.)
 
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