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36X48 Garage Build - AKA "I Love Debt" is Underway!

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HVAC rough-in complete. I guess this is the standard way to run lines in and out of a building? Would have thought it'd be in PVC or something, but is what it is.

Got my first quote for the driveway work. $18k!! At least double what I was hoping, so trying to get some new quotes.

A handful of cracks on the stem wall. Hopefully they don't get too big! The one pictured is the worst. Not complaining, just sharing.

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If the plan is to enclose those lines in the wall behind drywall, I would at the very least opt to change that corrugated drain line out for smooth PVC.
 
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If the plan is to enclose those lines in the wall behind drywall, I would at the very least opt to change that corrugated drain line out for smooth PVC.
Eh, you always give me something new to worry about :ROFLMAO:

Yea, I know those type of lines are much more prone to pinhole leaks..at least in my experience on dishwashers. It's alright though. I'm not going to fuss over anything at this stage unless it's super bad. I have no energy left for it. :ROFLMAO:
 

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Can't help it; this build is rife with items to worry about.

Clogging is the larger issue. And when they clog, all the condensate water runs out of the mini-split and all over the wall/floor.
 

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Is the stem wall crack roughly near the middle? Hopefully just shrinkage... I have one on each of my 64' long foundation walls too.
 

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Glad to see at least it’s progressing !!

I opted to run my mini split lines on the outside of the building and put some ugly covers over them. Things like that are not a matter of if but when they’ll need to be changed or serviced. The easier to access things like that the better.

The more of these GJ build threads I read with issues upon issues I can’t help but be grateful to have a good core group of contractors I use. The guy that built our house was a ***** but the other structures (shop, two sheds, two open side pole buildings and three barns) have been a treat to build. I’m looking to build another shed this fall (60x162x20 with a full length 18’ lean) and text my builder guy Jay “you got time to toss up a shed this fall”. He says “as long as you use our normal subs absolutely”. Didn’t even ask for details yet. They’ll have it up in less than a week and I trust them enough that I’d leave a blank check for him to fill out and he’d take only what was agreed upon.

As far as shorting your GC goes …… if you agreed to a price in a contract with your name on it you’re kind of stuck with that price ….. I’d have wanted to short him as well but that’s not how bids work. If I bid something and you agree to the price and I can do the agreed upon job faster/cheaper than you think I should be able to that’s my win, not your loss. You already agreed to the price. If you hire me to swap front brakes out in a vehicle and I say “$650 parts and labor total” and you agree to it that’s what it’s gonna cost. If I spent 20 minutes on it or 20hrs on it the job will be done for $650. Of course as the guy handing the bid out I want to pad it a bit to allow for unforeseen things. If I decide to pad it to add in margin and you agree to the price without knowing the breakdown you have still agreed to it. If you find out I spent 20min on that brake job and had $100 in parts you may think I screwed you but you agreed to the price and thought it was fair before wrench’s were turned.

Going after the GC for less gravel used was a bit shady IMO if all needs were met with using less. Going after shoddy work with the sill sealing, headers, garage doors not sealing, shoddy electrical rough in etc is different. The quality of work needs to be addressed but really can only be done so if you have things called out in the initial contract and build plans. You can tell a concrete guy you want it “flat” but you need to specify the level of “flat” that you want it. Is 1” variation in 10’ acceptable or 1/4” in 10’ variation acceptable ? If it isn’t called out it’s up to the contractor to do what they want, not what you want.

Al lot of the build quality things you have seen most of us would think are common sense things that shouldn’t happen. Common sense isn’t so common anymore and having things in writing is really the only way to try to guarantee a certain level of quality.

At the end of the day the building will likely serve your needs well for your entire life with only normal maintenance things needed. Most things built today unfortunately are not generational structures anymore because of the type of cut corners you saw during your build.

All in all the building looks nice and it’s better than working under a tree !!
 
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As far as shorting your GC goes …… if you agreed to a price in a contract with your name on it you’re kind of stuck with that price ….. I’d have wanted to short him as well but that’s not how bids work. If I bid something and you agree to the price and I can do the agreed upon job faster/cheaper than you think I should be able to that’s my win, not your loss. You already agreed to the price. If you hire me to swap front brakes out in a vehicle and I say “$650 parts and labor total” and you agree to it that’s what it’s gonna cost. If I spent 20 minutes on it or 20hrs on it the job will be done for $650. Of course as the guy handing the bid out I want to pad it a bit to allow for unforeseen things. If I decide to pad it to add in margin and you agree to the price without knowing the breakdown you have still agreed to it. If you find out I spent 20min on that brake job and had $100 in parts you may think I screwed you but you agreed to the price and thought it was fair before wrench’s were turned.

Going after the GC for less gravel used was a bit shady IMO if all needs were met with using less. Going after shoddy work with the sill sealing, headers, garage doors not sealing, shoddy electrical rough in etc is different. The quality of work needs to be addressed but really can only be done so if you have things called out in the initial contract and build plans. You can tell a concrete guy you want it “flat” but you need to specify the level of “flat” that you want it. Is 1” variation in 10’ acceptable or 1/4” in 10’ variation acceptable ? If it isn’t called out it’s up to the contractor to do what they want, not what you want.

I don't disagree with you. All the contractor had to say was..."you signed on the dotted line and I'm going to hold you to it". I 100% would have paid it. What am I going to do, not pay something I agreed to in writing? I just wouldn't have paid him that day. I would have stewed on it for a couple days and then mailed them a check to get it over with lol. Not going to drag something out over $2-3k. It's not worth it.

He agreed to help on the price for the gravel and unfinished electrical - we just had to come to an agreement on the adjustment. He just lost his ever-loving mind when I didn't jump for joy at the small discount he proposed. He asked me what I wanted, I told him - He agreed, and took my check.

I witnessed a man who wasn't right in the head and needed medication that day. No one can convince me otherwise. His extensive record with the court system as a defendant and the email he sent out to everyone basically saying God was going to punish me should objectively validate that lol. I have zero record in our court system - because I pay my bills lol.

I chose to fixate on the gravel because it was clearly high versus what was used and it was more of an objective point than asking for a discount due to the lack or rebar or gaps in the sills, etc.. A discount for those issues would have been nice, but I wasn't going to dare ask for anything and set this guy off further.

I've hired probably 20 contractors for various work on projects on my property and never once had an issue with payment. Most times there are no problems or maybe a couple small hiccups. The worst one was a $50k landscape project which we had to hire someone else to completely redo correctly. They pitched the patios to flow water towards the house. You wouldn't believe how terrible it was. Their crew was just incapable of doing the job right. In that case, I just paid the bad contractor in full to get them gone and out of my life. We did talk to a lawyer. They said we had a strong case, but we decided to just let it go... That's when I learned how to look up court records. That particular contractor had a huge criminal record. Everything you can imagine. Tons of restraining orders, etc... So glad I just paid them and got them out of my life. We got so lucky with the new contractor in that case.. They did an excellent job and we've since reused them. In fact, I'll probably reach out to them again for more work this year.

Anyways, the drywaller I've hired has zero criminal record I can find - So, fingers crossed! lol
 
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Insulation is up. Guy was supposed to be here 9-9:30, came after Noon lol. But he was fine..just running late and really rushed it. Missed several of the small crevices. No biggie. I'll spray foam them this weekend. I'd prefer if he had stapled it so it doesn't sink down at all over time, but not the end of the world. Good enough for me.

I also siliconed the heck out of all the lines going outside before the insulation was put up.

Dumpster and drywall getting dropped off tomorrow. Also getting quotes for floor epoxy and wall paint. I may do those things myself, depending how much the savings would be.

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Drywall delivered. The guys were super nice and did a fantastic job getting it all in the garage.

I got a quote for poly coating the floor. He first said $12k for poly, and then asked where I was expecting to be...I said around $10k and he said they could do that. The sales guy was very friendly and smart and they have pretty much nothing but positive reviews. Just not sure if I can stomach paying that for a floor coating that isn't totally required. I'll probably have to chew on that for at least a few weeks and see where I am $$ wise as time goes on.

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Got all the missing places sprayfoamed.. Went thru 8 cans of foam in total. Hopefully all goes well with drywall tomorrow.. Debating whether or not I should buy donuts for them 😂😂

Edit: Drywaller texted and isn't coming until 2-3PM...So it begins... :ROFLMAO:
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Another area where an inspector would save you from being screwed over. That faced insulation should have been stapled per code.
Yea, I know...but I'm not upset about it enough to get up and down the ladder 100 times to staple it myself or complain to the guy.

Definitely challenging having something built in an area without inspections. You quickly realize most contractors work to please/satisfy inspectors, not anyone else.
 
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Holy smokes these guys are pros. They showed up in the afternoon because they work another job in the morning...He said they just do stuff like this for fun after work! They will easily finish tomorrow afternoon.

These boys are definitely getting donuts/cookies or some kind of treat with their cash payment tomorrow! :ROFLMAO:

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Done and paid for. Material was $2800, Labor was $2220. Will be another $2200 for taping. This was $3k cheaper than the next best quote.

Overall looks good to me.

The only complaints I have:

They left all the drywall scraps in a pile, versus putting them in the dumpster that was right outside the garage....His quote specified no cleanup, but would have been nice if they had went in the dumpster. Almost no extra work versus leaving them where they did.. But I'm totally cool with this...especially given the price I paid.

They used 1 1/4" screws for everything. Being 5/8 drywall, 1 5/8 screws would have certainly been ideal...I don't think it's going anywhere, but would have especially been nice to use longer screws on the ceiling. Again, another instance where you gotta specify every little detail. If you leave an opening for a shortcut, they will take it.

Taper probably won't come for a couple weeks. Cold weather coming again.

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drywallers did a nice job. They use 1 1/4" screws here all the time for 5/8" I may have missed it, but why did you use 5/8" drywall?

Insulator did a lousy job, but it'll be fine. The paper should have ovelapped the studs and have been stapled. And you shouldn't need to follow up with your own spray foam.

Great looking project, overall.
 
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drywallers did a nice job. They use 1 1/4" screws here all the time for 5/8" I may have missed it, but why did you use 5/8" drywall?

Insulator did a lousy job, but it'll be fine. The paper should have ovelapped the studs and have been stapled. And you shouldn't need to follow up with your own spray foam.

Great looking project, overall.
Glad to hear that. Yea, I went with 5/8's in the hopes for a little more crack resistance, sag resistance, better sealing the structure, etc...

On the insulation, I kinda wish more that I had went with spray foam on the walls (and of course used a different company). I think it would have been worth the extra rigidity and building tightness...I had heard some bad stories about people having health issues living in houses with spray foam, but I think that's mostly when spray foam is used in attics where it gets sprayed super deep and has less chance to cure properly, and it gets super hot, etc.
 
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Are they 12' sheets? If so, I guess labor was a little higher on those due to weight?
Yep.. No, he didn't change the labor price for 5/8. Probably doesnt make a whole lot of difference to them.

I have 4 sheets left.. Tempted to put them on Facebook.. not sure I want to deal with anyone though. Probably going to end up in the dumpster 😂
 
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Got all the drywall cleaned up. Decided to list the remaining 4 sheets on FB and CL.. $50. If they don't sell in a few days, they will go in the dumpster.

I forgot how much of a fear of heights I have! Hadn't been on a ladder over 8 ft in a while 🤣

Insulation guy is coming back to do the attic Wed-Thurs... Hopefully he will do a better job than he did with the walls.


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Attic insulation complete. No idea how good of a job he did. I don't plan on going in there to thoroughly check.

The next day I found $25 on the floor in the garage near the ladder. I assume it came from him, as the floor was swept clean before he came. I texted him and told him he could pick it back up...I mean, I would want to know if I lost $25 somewhere... but I never heard back. So, it looks like I got some pizza money!


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The insulation guy messaged back! He did say he was missing the money...His wife was here with him and said she had been looking for it. So hopefully they'll pick it back up this weekend.

Also have someone supposedly coming to pick up the leftover drywall...we'll see how that goes!
 

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I don't think it necessarily contributes, but it does provide concealment that termites can work behind unnoticed.

In the case of the photo, taken of the subfloor of an air-conditioned beach house on the Gulf, the theory is that humidity penetrated here and there through the occasional crack in the foam and condensed against the cold subfloor providing a source of moisture for the termites. Once they had moisture, there was no longer a need for a tunnel to the ground. I'm not 100% convinced that was the case, but they definitely did their damage undetected beneath the foam.
 
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I made a hatch cover for the ceiling. Nothing fancy, but fills the hole and has a little insulation on it.

I originally wanted to have it hinged for easy access...but I realistically have zero need or desire to go in the attic ever again, so this should be fine. Just have to remove 4 screws and the whole thing comes off. Added a handle to make it easier to keep ahold of.

Taped a flashlight and ziptied my phone to a 6ft 1X3 and stuck it into the attic to get an idea of how the insulation looked before sealing it off. Looked pretty decent as far as I could tell. Saw coverage everywhere and it looked pretty even.

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Well, things are a bit slow now... The taper did message me on Sunday and said he should be out next Wed-Thurs. Hoping he does a good job and I can get the electrical crew back to wrap things up. Then HVAC finished...and I might just let the walls and floor stay unfinished for a while, so my wallet can recover a bit!
 
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Final coat done.

Really impressed with the quality of work so far. He said it will be about 2 hours of sanding tomorrow and then complete. Gotta run and pick him up some cookies to go along with the payment!

So rare and nice to get quality work from good/normal people.

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