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Between 265 & 485 SQ/FT 1950s Craftsman Garage retro remodel

Workspaces sized between 265 and 485 squarefeet.

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That band saw is sweeeet! Nowadays, the cover is cheap plastic. With no detail!


Yep gota love stuff made back when " we " made it and actually cared about the final product . Swmbo and I were just discussing the fact that the lights I got today were made by Levitron for Sears " back in the 50's " and still work great . When she worked at Homey Desperate half the stuff in the returns cage was Levitron stuff " not made as well today of course " .

Anybody wanna buy a POS Central machinery benchtop drill press :D.


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Hey RL I know how much you love 50's Craftsman tools so I went shopping today at the 50's craftsman store :D.



First 2 pics 1958-1959 craftsman 150 15" drill press

next 2 pics a craftsman bench grinder that looks like yours :D.

next 2 an amazing pair of 50's craftsman bench work lights :D.


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Rickairmedic,

You ****!!!(a compliment)

Man, fantastic score! And let me know if one of those work lights just ends up getting in your way;)

Looks like someone spent a LOT of money back then and purchased a lot of 'power bronze' Craftsman tools from the 1957-1960 time period. Fantastic.

I'm looking for one of the Craftsman floor presses, but I'm holding out for a really nice one at the right price, since they do pop up every now and then. I'd like to find a '100' series with the table raising mechanism and the rare vari-slow attachment. I guess you could say I'm an 'attachment freak' when it comes to old tools. Many times, the attachments are even more collectible than the tool itself haha. The running joke over at the OWWM forum is that anytime anyone purchases a Delta-brand tool with the hinged worklight attached, they really just bought a worklight that happened to have a free tool come with it:D :lol_hitti

Another item on my list is a craftsman belt/disc sander WITH the original stand and belt cover. The sanders themselves are not particularly rare (although they NEVER seem to come up for sale 'round here), but finding one with the stand and belt guard it a task to say the least.

These are what we call 'Quest Tools'.

A quest tool is the tool that is on 'the list', one that you've been drooling over and you are just waiting for one to pop up for sale. Some quest tools are relatively common and you can get pretty picky about it. Other quest tools are so rare that when you see it, you absolutely have to ****** it...from across the country...and fabricate new parts for it to replace broken ones. Those are the really fun ones because it becomes like Christmas morning when you find it. The rarer, the better.

You know, it's funny. About once every 3 weeks to a month, I get a PM with someone either asking about a Craftsman tool that they found that there are looking for information about, or they found a vintage Craftsman tool for sale locally and thought of me and wanted to tell me about it.

First of all, thank you all for thinking of me! I do really appreciate it. I'm smiling too, because a couple months ago a gentleman PM'ed me about a vintage Craftsman air compressor he found for sale. Then, a month later, another gentleman, totally unrelated to the first one, also PM'ed me about another vintage Craftsman air compressor for sale. I figure that I might as well post about some of the vintage Craftsman items that are on my 'list', so-to-speak, to give anyone who PMs me to give me a heads-up, well, a heads-up:lol:

I do have a quest tool right now. To be honest, I have several. Yes, the Craftsman sander w/stand and the Craftsman floor press w/ attachments are both on the quest list, but they are a little further down.


Here is my #1 quest tool:
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Here it is again in this shot from 1956-1957, at the bottom, to the slight right:
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It is a 1956-1957 Craftsman 20" self-contained scroll saw. They appeared in the 1956 Craftsman general line power tool catalog, and again in 1957. I'm not sure if they were also in the 1958 catalog, but in the 1959/60 catalog the tool mysteriously vanishes, never to be seen again. In fact, it is so rare, no one (at least at OWWM) has ever even see one out in the wild.

I actually found one for sale in PA a while back, but the seller ended up deciding they didn't want to sell and the deal was never completed. I wish I had saved the picture but I didn't. All that to say it is my #1 'quest' tool and if ANYONE has seen one, I am on the hunt! Condition doesn't matter. I pay cash:D

Second to that would be a Craftsman-badged Parks No. 20 Planer:
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Here is the Parks-badged version of the planer:
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As far as I know, no one has ever seen the Craftsman-badged version out in the wild either, that I know of. This planer was available throughout the 1950s and into the 1960s, however I believe its rarity has to do with its price - it was $995 back in the '50s, which would come out to almost $8000 in today's money - not something your average woodworker just merely purchased on a whim.

But ya know, if I couldn't find one of the 20" models (and it would probably be ridiculously expensive...I like getting good deals...but trying to get an $8000 planer for a hundred bucks is probably a little unrealistic:D) I could always settle for one of these:

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By daveamy at 2011-09-08

Honestly, I don't really know much about it. What I DO know, however, is that it is 1950s, Craftsman, and ultra rare. And I'm sold:D

My #3 quest tool is a Craftsman-badged Darra James 95 table saw:
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...which is just a regular Darra James 95 12" table saw, with a Craftsman badge haha.

The story is that in the 1940s Craftsman wanted a more industrial table saw to compete with other table saws, like the Unisaw, so they re-badged just a handful of these Darra James saws and sold them. It never really took off and the idea was never realized. They were never in any catalogs either. It was rumored that only 3 were re-badged, but after digging around and doing some research, I've been able to debunk that rumor as a 4th known saw has surfaced. Right now, 3 are recorded in the photo index at owwm.com and there is evidence of a 4th. There are probably others. I would LOVE to find one. Again...its Craftsman, its 1940s-1950s (okay stretching here:D), and its rare - I want it:bounce::thumbup:

Other items that are not on necessarily 'power tools' but still make the cut :)D) would be a vintage Craftsman tool chest (top +bottom):
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...and, of course, a vintage Craftsman air compressor:):
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One with the original tank would be even better.

I feel like there are still a lot of tools to acquire, but these tools will be replacing other non-Craftsman tools in the garage, so the garage won't just be cluttered with tools. There are some guys that just see old tools and have to buy them. I don't think I'm one of them. It has also helped a LOT that I've narrowed it down to Craftsman (okay okay I have a soft spot for Atlas too:D) so it really cuts down on the 'old tool acquisition syndrome'.

Right now, however, my budget needs to be more focused on stuff that will go into the actual, legitimate garage build, so a lot of those tools will have to come later. But come they will, and when they do, I guarantee pictures. I will make an exception for the 20" Craftsman scroll saw however. I want to snag that up as soon as I find one. Let me know if you see one:D

All this to say, I could talk old tools all day, and coming up here soon, the 1950s Craftsman Garage is going to be hosting a local get-together of old tool aficionados from the OWWM forum. I'll be sure to take pictures, since we're also inviting old tools to come, not just their owners!

If anyone has any leads on any of these 'quest' tools I posted, I'd love to hear from you! Feel free to drop me a line via PM. Also, if you have an old Craftsman tool that you'd like to share with the group, feel free to do it in this forum!

Thanks!

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Dave silly question . Your " scroll saw " would the model number happen to start with 109 if so I may know where one lives for under $100.00 along with a 109 model tablesaw " which is a cute little ****** but kinda useless looking as a tablesaw " compared even to my 70's-80's vintage Craftsman tablesaw.


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Dave silly question . Your " scroll saw " would the model number happen to start with 109 if so I may know where one lives for under $100.00 along with a 109 model tablesaw " which is a cute little ****** but kinda useless looking as a tablesaw " compared even to my 70's-80's vintage Craftsman tablesaw.


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Rick,

Great question! The 109 OEM for Craftsman was AA Engineering, which made the table saw you mention. I actually don't know the manufacturer of the scroll saw, but if what you saw was 109, there is a good chance that it might be that one! I have a mini scroll saw and those were made by Syncro and the code is 110. The scroll saws with the 103 code were made by King Seeley and include the common 18" and the 24" models. I am unfamiliar with a 109 code for a scroll saw and all the other scroll saw model codes are pretty much accounted for. One of the Craftsman experts on the forum has remarked that there is a '2456' code in the serial...so it could be 109.2456 or something similar. However, Craftsman changed codes based on really little things, like an accessory, so you could have the same tool with a different code and it was probably just packaged differently.

Rick, if you wouldn't mind, would you be ever so kind as to check on that scroll saw? If it turns out to be my fabled unicorn tool, I'd love to follow up on it:D

Also, the model 109 table saw you reference is probably the Craftsman Builder's Saw, which is an uncommon, if not rare, table saw. From the comments I've read about it, it actually is a decent tool and I might be interested in such a tool as well:)

Thanks!

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Rick,

I went back and looked at the pictures that you posted - I noticed that there is a more modern Craftsman 16" scroll saw in the picture, and when I did a search on the 109 code, a more modern C-man scroll saw turned up. Maybe that's the one you thought of? Not sure, but in any case, definitely let me know! Thanks!
 

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Dave its not at that house :D . This scroll saw is at a differant guys house and I know the 109's were late 40's into the 50's . I will call him this weekend and see if I can sneak over for a picture of the scroll saw and to get the full model number off of it . I havent seen it but have seen a picture of the tablesaw he has and also have seen the 109 model 6" Dunlap/Craftsman lathe he has as well as the Atlas 12"X36" metal lathe I am going to be buying from him :D.



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Dave its not at that house :D . This scroll saw is at a differant guys house and I know the 109's were late 40's into the 50's . I will call him this weekend and see if I can sneak over for a picture of the scroll saw and to get the full model number off of it . I havent seen it but have seen a picture of the tablesaw he has and also have seen the 109 model 6" Dunlap/Craftsman lathe he has as well as the Atlas 12"X36" metal lathe I am going to be buying from him :D.



Rick

Cool! That gives me some hope:). I know of no other vintage 109 scroll saw.

+1 on the Atlas lathe. Way cool. Take some pictures of that bad boy.

Heck, soon your going to be 'out-Craftsmaning' me haha:lol_hitti:beer:
 

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LOL Dave I am working on it lets see so far I have a Dunlap/Craftsman 6" metal lathe model 109.21270 made around 1949 . then theres the drill press model number 103.24531 made around 59-60and the bench grinder model number 397.19590 made around 64 . The killer lights of course which are late 50's early 60's :D. There will be more SWMBO laughed and said she would try to sneak one of the lights out of the garage for you without me noticing " like thats gonna happen " :D.


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LOL Dave I am working on it lets see so far I have a Dunlap/Craftsman 6" metal lathe model 109.21270 made around 1949 . then theres the drill press model number 103.24531 made around 59-60and the bench grinder model number 397.19590 made around 64 . The killer lights of course which are late 50's early 60's :D. There will be more SWMBO laughed and said she would try to sneak one of the lights out of the garage for you without me noticing " like thats gonna happen " :D.


Rick

I'll send her my address:lol:

Let's see, I think I'm at 6 Craftsman tools right now. I have 2 Atlas tools. With the future addition (thinking positively!) of either that 12.5" or 20" planer, the 12" table saw, the 20" scroll saw, the floor press, and the belt sander...and, aww heck why not throw in the 101 Craftsman-badged Atlas 9" cabinet saw...that will put me at 12.

Of course, I didn't even think of a builder's saw! And now you got me thinking about lathes. And why haven't I thought of the metalworking side of things yet? Vintage Craftsman power-hacksaw, lather, welder, vise...

Not sure if I'm gonna be done anytime soon haha.
 

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Dave you like me are gonna need a " garage addition " :D. Oh yeah forgot to mention I got the original owners manual with the drill press :D.


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You know Rick, I do have a whole unfinished basement:)

However, I have to be careful...the wife reads my thread:D




j/k hunny!!!

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LOL Dave I also have a full unfinished basement but SWMBO considers it as part of the house " although the only access is through " my garage " . The rule here is the garage is mine she can have the rest of the house :D. I even have the T shirt. SWMBO is sitting out here in the garage with me at the pub table :D.

Rick
 

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Hey Red Leader,
Just catching up on this thread and was wondering if you be interested in a scroll saw its 110-26230, the table is 8 X 8 1/2, itd 5 1/2 tall, the arm is made of flat bar and the whole width is about 17" front to back. Works good, needs the cord repaired, but other than that it looks new. This is free to you , + freight. Let me know , no big deal if not.
 
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Hey Red Leader,
Just catching up on this thread and was wondering if you be interested in a scroll saw its 110-26230, the table is 8 X 8 1/2, itd 5 1/2 tall, the arm is made of flat bar and the whole width is about 17" front to back. Works good, needs the cord repaired, but other than that it looks new. This is free to you , + freight. Let me know , no big deal if not.

BUGTHUG,

Similar...to this?


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By daveamy at 2011-05-14

My avatar is the Craftsman logo from this tool:)

If it is 110, it is the jigsaw made by Syncro. Still, I'd LOVE to see a picture! They made several different models. As you can see, mine is missing the blade guide.

Do you have a picture of it?
 
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So guys,

I have an interesting and fortunate dilemma. I have been holding a tool for a gentleman. It is a Delta 6" short bed jointer. It has the art deco cast iron base.

The owner of said tool lives in Cali, and the tool has been living in my 'foster garage' until it can find a ride to him. Well, he found another one right down the street. He no longer has a need for this tool.

He told me that I could sell it for a certain amount and anything I made over it would be mine.

Or...I could buy it.


Hmmm....


I could buy it.


Hmmmmmmmmmmm....

Here are some pictures to show you what I'm talking about:
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And here is what one looks like put together:
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So, gentleman, what do I do? After all, this is the 'Craftsman' garage. Here is the Craftsman jointer I have:

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By daveamy at 2011-09-09

I wouldn't keep both, not enough room. I honestly feel that the Delta jointer with the cast iron art deco base is the most beautiful jointer ever made. The only one that comes close is the Walker Turner that also shares a cast iron base:

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So if I do go for it, my garage gets a little less 'Craftsmany' and a little more 'Delta-ish'. I already have the Unisaw and a Homecraft scroll saw made by Delta. I dunno, I'm starting to like Delta tools more and more! If I was to be really honest, I know some of the Delta tools are more robust than the Craftsman tools. The 20" Delta bandsaw is a monster that my Parks/Craftsman 18" can't quite measure up with:

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However, I'm not opening up an industrial furniture building facility, I have a 2 car garage, so I know I have to draw the line somewhere. I'm thinking that the best compromise I can make is to go for the most beautiful tool to me, as long as it does the job. That would include tools like the Delta jointer w/ CI base, the Delta 14" bandsaw with CI base, the Walker Turner direct drive scroll saw, the Red Star multiplex radial saw with cabinet...all moving further away from Craftsman.

My garage is having a little bit of identity crisis right now. What am I to do? Should I rename the thread to '1950s Woodshop Garage'? '1950s Woodworking Shop'? I don't think '1950s Craftsman/Atlas/Delta/Walker Turner/Red Star Garage' wouldn't quite have the same ring:lol_hitti

What do you guys think?

-RL
 
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I'd have to keep that Delta if only for that base! It's just too cool! Put a Craftsman badge on it. The jointer looks like the one I just got. It's next on my list for beautification.
 
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RedLeader, simply change the name of your shop to -

:cool:'1950's Deluxe Garage' retro remodel:cool:

That way you are free to trade up on each machine as you discover more gems from that era!

As to your current joiner quandary, sell your unit, buy his and restore it to its former glory. No reason to be a 'Craftsman snob'. lol

Then too, you may just have to change your moniker from RedLeader to -

:cool:Joe Cool:cool:
 
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Whatever name I come up with, I have to make sure that I can at least make a cool logo around it so that Wingnut doesn't steal all the thunder;)

Something like the 'Art Deco Den' or '1950s Power Tool Paradise' or something else fun and catchy.
 

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Dave call me crazy but perhaps " craftsman " isnt refering to the tools in the garage but actually refering to the " Craftsman " using the tools in the garage :D. I dont think anybody would argue this point after seeing your work thusfar :D.


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Dave, keep that Delta. It's amazing!! And I second the idea of Craftsman referring to you. Besides, you'll still have some Cman tools.
 

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I think the Logo would help define the intent. I agree with the others that 'Craftsman' is really defining the use of all the tools to create an awesome workshop. Kinda like the 'New Yankke Workshop' or the 'Woodwright's Apprentice' being used to highlight exceptional talent and skills.

If your logo is a takeoff on the 1950's brand name logo, then that will be what it will be considered.

But if the "1950s Craftsman Garage" is in some cool font or design, then it would lean towards the talent within. I'd go with the latter.

Good luck and have fun with it.
 
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Hey guys, testing out the new signature 'logo' what do you think?

Remember, you can always blame Wingnut:D



I have to apologize to all my subscribers for having such lame updates. I can't imagine the letdown when they get a notification that there are new posts here, just to find out the content is, well, zero haha.

However, I have been doing some stuff out there and will try really, really hard to have a good, worthwhile update this evening.

Stay tuned:)
 
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I totally agree - This thread is epic. Thank you!:rocker:

No, thank you!! As I've mentioned before, it's everyone's enthusiasm, positive criticism, and encouragement that has helped make this project what it is. I still have a LOT of work ahead of me, but its just going to keep getting more fun.



BUGTHUG - I'd still love to see that scroll saw you have!



RickAirMedic - Any updates on that 109 scroll saw??? :D


And to let everyone know (and hold me to it)...here are the next projects for the garage:

1. Finish up garage door paint and insulation
1.5 Finish shelving trim and faceplate (not to mention rope lighting!)
2. Tool pegboards
3. Starting on workbench
4. Drop ceiling (good winter project)

They should go in a similar order to this, but I suppose it can always change.
 

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Sweet! :thumbup: That shows the spirit and the talent of the shop. Oh, yeah, and it also has vintage power tools, too! (The tools aren't the emphasis)

BTW, your hit list doesn't mention the flooring. Doesn't that epoxy flooring have a shelf life???

In the update, see if you can mention how RL Jr and Mrs RL are doing with the life changing adjustments...:beer:
 

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If you wanted to make sure everyone knew you were the craftsman and you aren't making reference to the brand of tools you could call it

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I don't have the correct typeface. But this is another option from back on the old path.

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Dave the new Logo looks great ( I like Jacks as well :D ) . I didnt get ahold of Jerry this weekend to go look at the scroll saw ( he is retired and may be off on a trip ) . I will get ahold of him and get some pics and a full model number for you :D.


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Dave the new Logo looks great ( I like Jacks as well :D ) . I didnt get ahold of Jerry this weekend to go look at the scroll saw ( he is retired and may be off on a trip ) . I will get ahold of him and get some pics and a full model number for you :D.


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Rick,

Much appreciated my man!
 
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Official Update!!!

Well guys, I've slacked off. (Just kidding, we just had a baby). Needless to say, the garage has not seen the same amount of attention. As it should be!

However, progress continues! The pace changes, but the heart never does!


Okay, enough sappy speeches and on with the updates! Yes, updates! I have two!


First of all, I finished wiring up the lighting for underneath the cabinets! Check it out!

Here is where it was left:
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And here is what was completed:
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And here is the end result!

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Yeah I know, the color temperatures are off, but hey, it all works! The only lighting left will be two puck lights that plug in, and then rope lighting, which will also plug in. The hard-wiring is done!

Second Update

So, in the 1950s Craftsman Garage, I have a garage door opener. This is the regular, standard, way too normal button that actuates the opener:

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By daveamy at 2011-09-12

Now I can't just leave it like that, right? So I found this cool metal electrical box at the hab outlet. I attached some flexible conduit and here's what I end up with:

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By daveamy at 2011-09-12

I'm liking where this is going. I originally picked up this box to use it as a hanging switch for a dust collector for the table saw, but have since improved on the idea and the box was orphaned. Not one to just kick cool things to the curb, it was 're-purposed' (in Denverite-friendly terms)!

So I got them ready for painting:

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...drilled some holes:

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...drilled more holes:

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...and started putting some things together!

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I used those hollow wall hangers that snap into place to hold things together (If I ever have to take it off, I'll probably have to redo this:

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Installing:

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And whala!

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I actually had to trim about 1/4" off each 'wing' to get it past the 5/8" sheetrock. (modification not shown)

Then I brought down the flexible conduit that I had previously slipped on and had the wire fed through, attached, screwed on...and here is the result:

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If the wall looks discolored around some of it, it is due to the patching of several 'idiot holes' I made when incorrectly putting that thing on. I still may go back and tap in some plastic anchors as right now the screws are just sitting in drywall.

I was thinking today of cover plates. I was actually in process of making one, but I came up with an idea that is going to be a little more fun. I guarantee you'll like it.

I might try and hammer it out this weekend. IF (and that is a big if) I have time to do it.

Not only do I want to make my wife and our son a higher priority, but the garage is going to have some guests of the OWWM forum stop by for a Saturday 'old tool' get together!

Should be fun:)

ps- if anyone really, really likes the box I used, I think I saw another one at the hab outlet. If interested I can pick it up for someone.
 
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I don't have the correct typeface. But this is another option from back on the old path.

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Jack, looks great! Thanks! At this point, all options are on the table.

I dunno if its a way of saying thanks, but I voted for your garage today:D

Hoping you win!!!
 
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