Tools from the old world

[OUTRIGGER]

Quote.

About Teng Tools origins , I will have to watch out for that - in UK they don't seem to mark packaging as such.

When the original Britool Tool chests with draws were discontinued , I purchased some Teng cabinets with drawers - obviously not up to Snap-On standards but quite solid at the price (Halfords stopped selling Teng when they introduced their own "Halfords" brand range , that was when I stocked up & with quite a bit of spannery & socketry etc.)
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Hammers , I like Scandinavian hand forged axes as well

I suspect the Sykes - Pickavant panel beating hammers are made in France alongside Facom. Sykes-Pick. ISTR they were absorbed by Britool , the original stuff was cleared cheap so I stocked up with hammers & a few dollies (probably need the odd hammer & dolly for the full kit) . Did not bother with the shrinking hammers but duplicated on my fav. planishers. Sykes-Pick IIRC are again independant & growing their range. They sold Perfect-Lock (Japanese) socketry that was quite good - doubt if their new range will be near that spec. I think they are reintroducing their range of Panel Beaters tools that they had a good reputation with.

 

[superautobacs]

Perhaps you've associated the Teng tools logo with the Japanese supernatural/mythical creature "Tengu"?
I find it odd that they picked that for a company logo.

Anyhow, Britool... There's been some posted in this thread, but I don't think I ever posted mine. I have a few other miscellaneous wrenches and sockets (BSE/whitworth) but I don't have photos of them.

 

[OUTRIGGER]

Difficult keeping up with Britool these last few years , your spanners I would say will not be of UK manufacture & discontinued of late for their new range (I have quite a few of these and they are OK) - from the Facom years. I sort of fell out with Britool over 30 years ago , some of the chrome used to peel - then I went to Proto , followed by Snap-On.

Interesting - I have some Britool marked "England" high chrome spanners , now obsoleted, different design to yours and of good quality , I doubt if they are made in England as I am , being discounted but almost all gone .. Will grab a few photographs for you.

 

[jalfaro]

Jalfaro,

Regarding the locking pliers difference: The Vice-grips releases by a pinching two levers together. The other types release by simply pulling on a single (release) lever. The later type makes the releasing task easier, faster, and some would say safer as there's no chance of getting your fingers pinched.

Some would argue that the Vice-grip type is much safer from accidental releasing. I guess that makes sense as one has to pinch two levers to release it. On the other hand, the single lever release type only require one lever for release.

Here's a link to some videos illustrating the "European style" locking pliers:

Superautobacs, thank you very much for the clarification . I'm actually watching the videos and I can appreciate the difference

 

[jalfaro]

New acquisitions of weekend, needed a "pressure plier", but I bought a few things ... sacrificed a higher quality plier because I do not use very often, but now I'm looking for a new...

 

[superautobacs]

Jalfaro,

Cool, practical acquisitions there.

Is the Komelon tape measure from South Korea?




Outrigger,

Yeah, the finishing quality of those Britool wrenches reek of made in Taiwan. ....not saying that that's a bad thing....although it's unfortunate that it's no longer made in England.

It's been a while since I last browsed through their online catalogue, but it's safe to say that they outsource a good percentage of their hand-tool offerings from China/Taiwan.




Some pictures of stuff I've used recently...

A triple blade scraper from Beta. I'm not quite sure what it's intended purpose is, but I've used it to sculpt or enlargen holes in plastics as well as for deburring tasks (yes, I don't have a proper deburing tool...yet):

The copper pipe is clamped by my trusty Brazilian-made, Schulz vise. The soft face jaws I made using some scrap copper piping:

I used these guys to decapitate some aluminum hand rivets. Definitely faster than drilling rivets out.
PB Swiss bend-handle striking chisel and a MOB joiner's hammer with a 4K handle construction (fiberglass, carbon fibre, polypropylene, and the outer elastomer). Definitely a pattern that's handy to have.
The PB chisel has seen a couple renovation applications. Previously, I accidently struck a hard nail and dinged the edge pretty badly, but I hand-filed it down to an edge and it's back in action:

Sorry for the poor lighting.

 

[superautobacs]

Some other hammers in use...

PB Swiss deadblows in two sizes with replacement faces for both.
The smaller one is the handiest #3, next to the largest #7. Relative to their sizes, they offer quite the punch. They are way more effective than the common shot-filled hammers. The PB deadblows are all packed with steel washers in a sealed head. One end is flat faced; the other has a bevelled face.

Here's some KliKlamps from Bessey Germany:

 

[jalfaro]

Jalfaro,

Cool, practical acquisitions there.

Is the Komelon tape measure from South Korea?

Yes, this Komelon tape measure is manufactured in South Korea

By the way superautobacs this hammer is amazing (interesting composition)

 

[dkroth]

LUX hex wrenches 2-10mm. $5 from Craigslist. I understand this is a house brand for some chain in Europe. A rare find here in the states.

 

[MD11]

Just ordered this from a small Forge in the UK... can't wait..

Bruce Wilcocks & Sons Forge

 

[superautobacs]

Jalfaro,

Yes, it's quite the 'fancy' hammer.


dkroth,

Cool find indeed, and LUX is indeed like the Lowes/Home Depot of Germany.



MD11,

Seems like you have an affection towards unique/one-of-a-kind hammers.

 

[TjoFrasse]

[has bought 2 Hazet Assistent]

Wow! Congratulations!

[Has posted pictures of his collection]

Very much and very nice stuff! Thanks for all the pictures.

New Beta MiniMini

Funny that they have sculpted a handle like a soft handle ratchet on that small thing!

PB Swiss deadblows

Those are nice! So instead of loose pellets, it's washers that can only go back and forth?

I had a mess in my new toolbox, with no order of the sockets. Went to Biltema and got some socket holders. Had to rearrange stuff a bit to get them in there though. Some strange sizes also, like up to 15mm in 1/4"

Aiming to have a complete set of "go to" sockets in the top, and the rest in the drawer. Still some deep sockets to get though.

Some new stuff also. Expanded my hammer collection at Bauhaus.

Small soft face hammer. This was the only one marked Germany, the other ones had polished metal and no markings.

Rubber mallet. Made in Germany and marked "Fleckfrei". I'm not good at german but I think it means it won't leave marks. Nice to be able to avoid black streaks that can be a problem with regular rubber mallets.

And my old W.German steel, even though they're not tools. Have shown them previously I know, but haven't bought any more tools to post

 

[american lockpicker]

Is that a superbeetle?

 

[TjoFrasse]

Is that a superbeetle?

No, it's a -65 1200 standard. The 1200 was gone before I got it though. Now it is in for rust, motor and rubber...

The buggy is a -67 1500 standard plate with a 4 seater buggy body. Has a 1600 DP in it now.

 

[american lockpicker]

I used to have a hood for a superbeetle that was the same colour. I sold it to some guy on a VW forum who was doing a restoration a few years ago.

 

[MD11]

MD11,

Seems like you have an affection towards unique/one-of-a-kind hammers.

yes, our very own A&PMech can attest to that as was his first customer for "The Hammer" ... S/N 1

 

[TjoFrasse]

I used to have a hood for a superbeetle that was the same colour. I sold it to some guy on a VW forum who was doing a restoration a few years ago.

Yeah, the color is more common with newer models/supers. It is not the original for the car, it's had a hard life...

 

[superautobacs]

yes, our very own A&PMech can attest to that as was his first customer for "The Hammer" ... S/N 1

Yes, I remember.



Tjofrasse,

Yup, washers that slide back and forth.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/hamb/attach/jpg.gif

Cool garage you have there.

 

[Bhae]

@OUTRIGGER:

WOW! nice hammer collection

Today:

 

[lok]

I Miss few days and I have to read more than 10 pages. Congratulations to all. Nice tools and beautiful photos.
I have several photos for you with new and old tools from the old world.


Pastorino toolbox. No coo. I found it in very good price. View media item 15504
Seems to be very durable.
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Beta...
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Made in Germany.
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Klann Oil filter for very tight spaces
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More photos tomorrow.

 

[ricleh]

Very nice toolbox and tools.

 

[Monte]

Monte, I am interested in buying pressure pliers.

see superautobacs post

So back to hammers :-

very nice extensive hammer collection !!!

Anyhow, Britool... There's been some posted in this thread, but I don't think I ever posted mine. I have a few other miscellaneous wrenches and sockets (BSE/whitworth) but I don't have photos of them.

nope you never did, shame on you
Where did you find them ? Canada ?

Some pictures of stuff I've used recently...

nice pics !

Just ordered this from a small Forge in the UK... can't wait..

Bruce Wilcocks & Sons Forge

wow that looks so cool !!!!!!!

Beta
Made in Germany.

nice tools !!!!
btw. that Beta is made by Vogel
http://www.vogel-germany.de/

 

[littletoes]

Wish American quality was what so much of this German stuff is.....

 

[jalfaro]

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Pastorino toolbox. No coo. I found it in very good price.

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Nice tool box (and tools of course)


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I have a brief consultation, I am interested in a pair of pliers, these are not the most expensive or necessarily the best:

Channellock: 526 and 307 (USA)



Supertool: CPS200H and GWZ250H (JAPAN)





Now, as far as I have seen, in terms of features are similar (except for some variations in the measures), but I do not know is if: both in terms of quality "Channellock" and "Supertool" are similar?

This is consultation, if someone could clarify I'd appreciate it, I know that is not the purpose of this thread, but this week I want to buy one of these sets

thanks

 

[lok]

Very nice toolbox and tools.

Thanks.

see superautobacs post


nice tools !!!!
btw. that Beta is made by Vogel
http://www.vogel-germany.de/

Yes I know, I have several Vogel tools.

Nice tool box (and tools of course)

Thak you.


Acesa Spain with every day use since 1970.
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[Bhae]

@Lok:

Beautiful and old ACESA wrenches

 

[OUTRIGGER]

So Bhae , how do you rate TOPTUL for quality and strength ?

I think I have one of their earliest O/E spanners , a big size , ISTR the chrome started to peel off !

 

[OUTRIGGER]

I like the Snap-On 1/4" drive length ratchet but with 3/8" square drive.

I use other makers for Ribe, Torx , Star etc. but I think the Gedore Allen type hex. are heavy made and strong , certainly not cheap in UK but a lot cheaper than Stahlwille that I always prefer for European socketry.

 

[jalfaro]

Interesting set of tools OUTRIGGER

One question, this is Elora 3/4" ratchet? (I have the slight impression, but do not know if this model is specific to this size)

 

[OUTRIGGER]

I don't know , best wait for Monte to tell us all. I have a big 3/4" Britool ratchet & obtained this off eBay about 5 years ago. Don't have a 3/4" dr. T bar or power bar. I normally buy big sockets for such as crankshaft nuts etc. as I need them

 

[OUTRIGGER]

TENG breaker bar, Britool socket I keep in my pick-up cab for changing wheels, adj. mirrors needed 14 + 15mm - so purchesed a Britool O/E (probably made in Taiwan)

I quite like TENG , realistic and seem very strong, I have plenty of matt finish sockets that I obtained when Halfords disposed of their stock at about 1/2 normal £, some sockets I have are bright chrome that are not in the catalogue I have, a local stockist said (3 years ago) said he can get them OK.

I like Snap-On industrial blackadised finish , have quite a bit - pointless in boring you, this 1/4" set will be 35 years + old.

This is Perfect-Lock (Made in Japan) - sold by Sykes-Pickavant until abt. 20/25 years ago when they started selling their own cheaper quality "own brand stuff".
I have found P-L very good , I have quite a bit of socketry in regular use , I use it on rusted dismantling with a breaker bar. Should have purchased more P-L when it was available as it was realistic priced.

Typical Britool sold in later years - probably Taiwanese ? OK

The plain black handle pre-dates the red-lettered type , probably from time of Facom take-over or final British manufactured.

Sykes Pick ratchet spark-plug torque wrench (different plastcic cover = different torque pre-set)

Black handle Britool 1/2" "Classic" , the black handle changed after this to a squarish shape , have one somewhere to find. The squarish shape was probably the penultimate British manuf. ratchet by Britool. The round black handle will be about 25 year old, I have blue handled ones that will be abt. 35 year old + the all steel handle 40T prior to that.

Gedore , the lower two type handles were current - I think until just recently , IIRC the handle is now redesigned again. I have some older Gedore and IIRC the design is just stightly different - little changed in 25
years +

Probably my fav. 1/2" ratchet Stahlwille, metal handle is quite heavy for a Stahlwille tool. The newer plastic handles I must admit are good to grip & use but I do like the all metal "Classics".

Far east imports , I suspect all made in the same factory in Taiwan. I use Franklin ratchets every day I find they are good for the money, the same by Laser are cheaper and material grade / quality probably the same but cheaper. Probably the same with Chapel Tool off eBay - about 1/2 the price of Franklin from local stockist or off eBay.

Clark - as sold by the Machine Mart high street chain , seen the same quality and price OK

 

[american lockpicker]

Wow 500 pages.

Got some cutting tools today.

 

[lok]

@Lok:

Beautiful and old ACESA wrenches

Thanks Bhae.

I use other makers for Ribe, Torx , Star etc. but I think the Gedore Allen type hex. are heavy made and strong , certainly not cheap in UK but a lot cheaper than Stahlwille that I always prefer for European socketry.

Yes Indeed. They give you the impression that it is very durable.



Very good tools Outrigger. I like the Gedore U-10 ratchet with the old handle.

Wow 500 pages.

Got some cutting tools today.

Nice cutting tools. Ι definitely need some.



Elora W. Germany. Very very nice.
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[lok]

I forget it. Congratulations for the fiftieth page guys. Congratulations also to Monte for the awesome thread.

 

[Monte]

LUX hex wrenches 2-10mm. $5 from Craigslist. I understand this is a house brand for some chain in Europe. A rare find here in the states.

yes, available at www.obi.de "Home Depot" type stores

www.lux-tools.de/

both in terms of quality "Channellock" and "Supertool" are similar?

i guess it will be difficult to answer the question, the main difference might be the function of the water pump pliers.

Yes I know, I have several Vogel tools.

ah ok

Acesa Spain with every day use since 1970.

nice ! Looks good for 42 years

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Nice Belzer set !!

and very nice 1/4" ratchet collection !!! Which is your favourite ?
The Perfect-Lock sockets might be from Ko-Ken ?
...and of course a nice 1/2" ratchet collection !! What do you do with all these ?

Got some cutting tools today.

interesting folding scissors !

 

[Monte]

My new welding shield:



with peephole

 

[jalfaro]

i guess it will be difficult to answer the question, the main difference might be the function of the water pump pliers.

You're right, "Monte". Maybe I will buy "Supertool" option, but takes a week to arrive, as opposed to the set "Channellock" available from a local store.

However, I would have a better opinion as to the quality of Japanese tools, and what better way than using

thanks

 

[kyriakos2010]

yes it´s a Monte Carlo Currently it looks like this. I work on this car right now so there is no time for mine.

Stahlwille + Gedore are available here www.primetools.co.uk and here www.tooltrolley.co.uk and Gedore here www.bolas.pt - stahlwille here www.auto-tools.co.uk and www.pvrdirect.co.uk and here http://lusaveiro.pt - Hazet here http://www.apprenticezone.co.uk/the-tool-store.html and here
http://www1.conrad-uk.com/scripts/w..._to_display=brandsearch&brand=hazet&amount=73 or here www.sdr.pt




never heard of them ?



very good looking pliers !!!






Hazet "B-25" wrench i found at the flea market. Does somebody know what is it for ?

This wrench is from the BMW motorcycles toolkit

 

[Krokodil]

Wow, nice British tools! Really like the Britool and Sykes stuff.

 

[lok]

More old tools. Not mine of course. Some of them are older than me. All with hard every day use and very often many of them have used the wrong way.

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din 895 w-Germany from the one side
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Nothing from the other.
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My favorite..
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It's made like a tank.
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Beargrip
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I remember this one since I was a child.
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Ι can't see the manufacturer cause of the too many hits.
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