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broke my $135 Hazet socket!

scottmlew

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I bought the 904SLG-17 for impact use with my AMG wheels. The second time I used it, I broke it! I was hammering on a bolt with my 2135Ti and then switched to my SO SN25A breaker bar and cracked it by hand! What horrible luck :( Hopefully warranty replacement via A&E Hand Tools (the North America Hazet distributor) will be smooth.

I post this mainly as an "FYI", and also to show that even the best tools can fail prematurely.
 

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Some sort of non-marring insert i take it? Cant say im surprised.
 

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Someone did not use torque wrench.

$135 for 17mm lug nut socket? :shocking:

Yea, why would it take a very stout impact and then a breaker bar to remove lugnuts?!? The wall is very thin on those sockets by design.

The exchange rate looks crappy as well. A lot of time you can find foreign products in the USA cheaper than even their home countries for various reasons and I am seeing prices like 75 euros for that.
 
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Someone did not use torque wrench.

$135 for 17mm lug nut socket? :shocking:

Yeah, it seems it was "aggressively tightened" by a MB dealership. And yup, that's the (discounted) price from Chadstoolbox.
 

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Is that some kind of insert inside the socket? It does not look deep enough.
 

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Is that some kind of insert inside the socket? It does not look deep enough.

Good catch. If the socket wasnt fully seated on the lug, I wouldnt be surprised to see it break.
 

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$135???? Are you high???? I got a set made in India from a local tool house 21mm 19mm and 17mm for I think $40. I bought them when I was just an appentice at an MB dealer. They are forged from some AL alloy and have this funky blue anodizing on them. Used them every day for at least 15 years. The 17mm is just showing wear. I have no idea how many times I've used them. Keith
 

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That is nuts. I have a Cornwell (read, china?) 17mm deep thinwall wheel socket, that also has a nylon sleeve on it to protect the wheels. I have used it likely over a thousand times, no issues, ever. Even on wheels where I had to grab a breaker bar because the local tire shop put them on via the air spec. (Personally, I use my electric impact or air+torque stick, get em to about 70ish, then torque to 85ftlb, at least for all 12x1.5's, so I have no future removal issues.)
 

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Im sorry but anyone that pays 135 for ONE socket should have it break, spending that much on one socket is just asinine.
 

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You must be lying. Monte says german tools don't break:lol_hitti Just watch the video he posted of the un-heat treated hazet wrench bending like a pretzel :spit:
 
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:headscrat by you or the MB dealer :confused:

By the MB dealer. I NEVER tighten my lug nuts with an impact wrench; i ALWAYS use a ratchet by hand and then switch to a torque wrench for final tightening. From talking to the MB dealer, it may have been a wheel restoration place that they subcontracted some work to.

Either you're really strong or there's something wrong with your 2135Ti.

I was thinking that, and I am a little worried about it, but my weight on the end of a 24" breaker generates a lot of torque, and it's a sustained stress, unlike what you get from an impact.

Im sorry but anyone that pays 135 for ONE socket should have it break, spending that much on one socket is just asinine.

We are all entitled to our opinions, but IMHO it's poor form to wish ill on someone, especially when they are simply using a tool designed for their specific application.
 

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Once, in my youth we helped a missionary lady. My Dad had bought her a used car and she wanted to keep her new tires off of the old car. No big deal. Grab the Sioux 1/2" impact and go at it. Nope.... The lug nuts won't come off. Grab the 4 way lug wrench and HEAVE. No go. Ended up me and my sister's boy friend, the 4 way lug wrench and 6 or 8 feet of pipe to break those loose.

30 years later I've still got the lug wrench around here somewhere. It's got a unique twist on one on the "legs". I still don't know what those guys used to put it on...

Long story but the point is sometimes the mechanics at some places go a little overboard on tightening lug nuts.
 

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It wasn't a left-hand threaded lugnut, was it?

I'll agree with the others who say $135 for a single socket puts a little more shine on PT Barnum's sentiments.

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I was hammering on a bolt with my 2135Ti and then switched to my SO SN25A breaker bar and cracked it by hand! What horrible luck :(
Either you're really strong or there's something wrong with your 2135Ti.


I have broke the cheap bottom of the barrel type. It happens. (HF, HD, MIT, etc)

They don't necessarily break during the hard use job. May just have internal stress cracks. Then some time when you aren't expecting it or not stressing it hard, it just suddenly cracks down the side and spins on the fastener. Or in the case of adapters/extensions/torx, they just sheer off and fly across the shop. (impact rated)

It happens all the time, possibly even most of the time.
 

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It's a special length and width indeed and probably the right tool for the job as billymade said. Those other sockets you guys posted are not long enough.

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I guess the German is not infallible after all. $135 for a socket is just rediculous even if it is a little longer than the standard deep socket. Why not just use a deep socket with an extension?
 

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I guess extensions are out of the question

Do they make extensions with the same material on the outside? I don't think so, but I could be wrong.
Do they make sockets that are entirely covered with the same material? I don't think so, but I could be wrong.

Luckily I don't have that issue on my cars.
 

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Sometime before the IR failed to take off the nut, it was time to stop using a special thin wall no mar socket and switch to ... HF. I kinda of doubt Hazet will see it as a warranty item.

I wonder what else may have been damaged putting a lug nut on that tight? Wheel stud, wheel, brake rotor?
 

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At the risk of scratching a pricey wheel attached to an equally pricey car, $135 bones for the proper socket *****...but you pay to play. If said AMG was sitting my garage, so would said socket.
 

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For those who can't understand the value of good tools...what can I say, buy Chinese and be happy.

To the O/P, it looks like you over stressed the socket, most likely by hammering at it with an underpowered impact, what line pressure are you running, and what size hose? If the nut doesn't come loose after a few seconds, it is usually time for plan b in my experience. Those sleeved sockets aren't as strong, as you found, I have always disliked that style wheel, style over function, give me enough room for a fullsize socket. Did the dealer get the lugs loose for you?
 

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What is the point of having a sleeved socket if the sleeve doesn't even reach the edge of the wheel? 15ft of extensions isn't going to change that.

You can see in the picture that the HF drive end on that 17mm is fatter than the sleeve, so it might not even fit.

Theen it appears to not be deep enough and doesn't have that lug cap protector he wants.

Once again a budget tool retailer that doesn't even sell the right sized tool.

No need to be elitist with the HF recommendation, after all, why not just suggest that he arc welds an extension to the lug, torches the rim off, or sells the car instead of using the correct sized tool?

(that socket lists at over 5" long with over 4-1/4" of sleeve and 3/4" length for drive end. That means the nut is approx 3-1/2" down inside the hole, which means your above mentioned socket wouldn't even touch the lug nut, or maybe barely grab the edge and destroy the lugnut)....
 
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By the MB dealer. I NEVER tighten my lug nuts with an impact wrench; i ALWAYS use a ratchet by hand and then switch to a torque wrench for final tightening. From talking to the MB dealer, it may have been a wheel restoration place that they subcontracted some work to.

...That´s the right way...
... Don´t bring your car to that dealer anymore....
 

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I agree him buying the socket in the first place doesnt seem to be the issue, its the socket itself...Some people could approach this differently...
 

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For those who can't understand the value of good tools...what can I say, buy Chinese and be happy.

To the O/P, it looks like you over stressed the socket, most likely by hammering at it with an underpowered impact, what line pressure are you running, and what size hose? If the nut doesn't come loose after a few seconds, it is usually time for plan b in my experience. Those sleeved sockets aren't as strong, as you found, I have always disliked that style wheel, style over function, give me enough room for a fullsize socket. Did the dealer get the lugs loose for you?

What is the point of having a sleeved socket if the sleeve doesn't even reach the edge of the wheel? 15ft of extensions isn't going to change that.

You can see in the picture that the HF drive end on that 17mm is fatter than the sleeve, so it might not even fit.

Theen it appears to not be deep enough and doesn't have that lug cap protector he wants.

Once again a budget tool retailer that doesn't even sell the right sized tool.

No need to be elitist with the HF recommendation, after all, why not just suggest that he arc welds an extension to the lug, torches the rim off, or sells the car instead of using the correct sized tool?

(that socket lists at over 5" long with over 4-1/4" of sleeve and 3/4" length for drive end. That means the nut is approx 3-1/2" down inside the hole, which means your above mentioned socket wouldn't even touch the lug nut, or maybe barely grab the edge and destroy the lugnut)....that is if the drive end could even fit down inside that hole, forgetting the fact it would risk destroying the rim.

Seriously, it is not like this is the "Free Parking" section where you can just post whatever thoughts are randomly going through your head... Kudos to the above posters for having (loads more than....) a freakin' clue....
just sayin' !!!
Yeh, if I had those wheels for sure I would have paid whatever it takes for the right tool not to ruin my investment... isespay me offnay these guys that post the "wtf I've never paid more than 15 cents for any tool...." type resposes. Cool. Use those tools on your $1.50 wheels and we can all get some sleep...... :dunno:
 

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I guess the German is not infallible after all. $135 for a socket is just rediculous even if it is a little longer than the standard deep socket. Why not just use a deep socket with an extension?

I guess extensions are out of the question


wrap the extension in electrical tape??

Sometime before the IR failed to take off the nut, it was time to stop using a special thin wall no mar socket and switch to ... HF. I kinda of doubt Hazet will see it as a warranty item.

I wonder what else may have been damaged putting a lug nut on that tight? Wheel stud, wheel, brake rotor?

$135???? Are you high???? I got a set made in India from a local tool house 21mm 19mm and 17mm for I think $40. I bought them when I was just an appentice at an MB dealer. They are forged from some AL alloy and have this funky blue anodizing on them. Used them every day for at least 15 years. The 17mm is just showing wear. I have no idea how many times I've used them. Keith

That is nuts. I have a Cornwell (read, china?) 17mm deep thinwall wheel socket, that also has a nylon sleeve on it to protect the wheels. I have used it likely over a thousand times, no issues, ever. Even on wheels where I had to grab a breaker bar because the local tire shop put them on via the air spec. (Personally, I use my electric impact or air+torque stick, get em to about 70ish, then torque to 85ftlb, at least for all 12x1.5's, so I have no future removal issues.)

Either you're really strong or there's something wrong with your 2135Ti.

Im sorry but anyone that pays 135 for ONE socket should have it break, spending that much on one socket is just asinine.


Seriously, I have had a real bad day, filled with customers that are able to google but not much else. How many of the above have actually picked up a wrench???. So- None of you guys researched the socket before posting , in many cases , critical responses ?? The OP stated that he was bringing to our attention the fact that even (very) expensive tools can fail.... and Hazet is like German Snap On FWIW.... fantastic that there are HF alternatives that will not fit... go figure....:shocking:

Just to clarify the bleeding obvious, the OP needs a "deep" socket - there is no way a shallow socket with whatever other accessories you can think of can do the job.... sheesh .
To post this reply... or not.... oh oops..
 

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I don't know, coolbah.

Back in the '90s a wheel bearing socket for an H1 hummer cost the exact same amount, $135. For those who haven't had the pleasure, it has real tapered roller bearings and requires precise bearing preload torque, not a gutentite like people sometimes do an a cv axle'ed fwd car with axle nut.

Those people are probably thinking "well I woulda just tightened it with a hammer and chisel, torque isn't that critical"

It's the same thing with a number of special bearing/shaft pullers. You can use the right tool or you can use a sledge and torch and replace several parts.

Special tools are a mo-fo! Often only 1 manufacturer makes them and corners the market. They usually are of practically no use for anything other than a select make/model/year/sub-model (like AMG tuning) It's a hard pill to swallow, especially if it will have limited use. Sometimes rental/borrowing is available. Usually not. They often soon become obsolete and go out of production. It's just the name of the game. You wanna play, then you gotta follow the rules or make your own (tool)

In the case of that crazy priced socket, it is feasible to have one machined down (using a thicker socket as a blank) BUT the cost will still likely be close to the same along with no mfg support (warranty).
 

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You shouldn't be stronger than that gun.... but we have seen a picture of you so I guess maybe not.
 

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Let us know how the warranty works out...I can't imagine you'd be denied since the socket in question wasn't being abused.
 

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diesel research, you are so right.

Specialty tools are always expensive. I have some of the ones for one of my own cars, and they're expensive and made for a single engine model. Want to change the cams or pull the head? Plan on spending over $1000 in a few specialty tools. This one lists for about $600, and is only one of the tools needed:

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Without it, the odds are good you're not going to get either camshaft installed correctly and will damage expensive parts.

These tools also tend to go out of production fairly quickly just as you stated, which means if you don't buy them fairly quickly, you may never get them and may hence never be able to do the work they're designed to do, or at least won't be able to do it right (and risk damaging parts that might be no longer available or very expensive). The tool above was not available for a few years, and they recently made a small run (with a new design; the original had 2 push-down arms versus 4 in the new design). And as the stock of them dwindles, the price goes up, at a much higher rate than any mutual fund and most individual stocks. Same deal for many of the parts, especially on a low production vehicle (and an AMG would fall in that category). My center console was originally about $1200. It's now about $7000 if it's still available. On a vehicle with high production numbers, you can junkyard dive with some success. Not so much for a vehicle whose production numbers were a few thousand worldwide.

Same reason my car never goes to the dealer or an independent for service (except wheel alignment). The risk of damage to NLA parts is too high for me. That's fine with me since I enjoy doing it myself.

To the OP: good luck with Hazet, hopefully they'll just give you a new socket.
 
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