Joe Homeowner’s Garage Build

[Zeppe807]

So I am sitting around recovering from a Dr visit and I decided to sketch up a layout of what I would like to do with my existing tool boxes and the one I plan on making.

The new one will be 8ft long and will have a 1/4" metal top on one side, and a wooden top on the other side made with 4"x6" beams that I have on hand. I have 90% of the material that I need to make this with. I

My existing Tool Bench is about 8ft and my Craftsman tool box is about 27". I have about 18.5ft between my Garage Door Track, and my Side Door. My three items are 218" long in a 224" area. I plan on giving myself 1.5" from the track to the first bench, and 4" to the Side Door.

It is tighter than I would want, but I also want to be able to fit my Tool Box, Tool Bench, and the Proposed 8ft Work Bench, all on the wall.

The other wall (on the other side) will have my Mill, and Lathe, along with my cabinet and proposed rolling welding table.

I plan on having painted Peg Board on the entire wall where-ever there is no cabinets. I also plan on a Wainscoting look of corrugated tin around the bottom 40" of the wall.

I would like to have the cabinets 2ft over the Tool Bench since I really do not like having them too low. I have seen some too close and the reduce the visibility and usable space on the bench. AM I LOOKING AT IT WRONG?

I would like to start making the cabinets soon, and then my bench.




Please, I would like some feed back and criticism


Thanks,
Joe Zeppe

 

[slackgt]

I think that setup looks great.

 

[Zeppe807]

I think that setup looks great.

Hey, I feel Honored, it was your first post!

Thanks.




Well I have been sitting on my but all day still taking it easy, and got a little more done, and more walls drawn in.

I will have to think about the layout more, and figure out what step I want to make first.

With the third child coming in September, my Wife would like me to get some work done in the back yard for the kids. That is another big project I have to tackle.


I love the input!

Thanks,
Joe

 

[Zeppe807]

A little more updated:

Now I need to get to work!

 

[Garagemike]

Impressive sketching Joe!
I am glad I stumbled across this as I am tired at the moment from the to do list in my garage, I think that I am going to sketch it out and then make a to-do list.

 

[Zeppe807]

Well BIG PLANS this weekend. I use to make custom bumpers and racks for Jeeps while in college for extra money, along with other accessories, gears, ... you name it. While at work, a coworker saw my bumpers in a picture and asked if I could make a rear bumper, swing out tire carrier, and rack for him. I told sure, but it had been a while. Today he showed up with 5bills and told me to get to work.

I was told by my big boss (My Wife) that I was to work on the back yard again, that was until I threw the money down.

Now there is a down side: my "shop" is not quite ready. Since I moved in I have had my big 220V air compressor in my shed and I have not been able to get it powered up. I also do not have a work bench to weld/build off of.

My current plan is to get up early tomorrow, run out to my dads house where I have a 1 inch road plate in the back field calling my name. I plan to have a crude work bench welded up loaded by one of my Jeep bumpers and a winch into the back of my dads dump trailer, then unloaded into my garage. I have no lifting equipment, so it will be a "Work smarter, not harder" day. I have a plan. This will get me a fab table, not the one I had planned, but one step toward it. Sunday, I plan on running some 220V out to my shed. I will try to use what I have on hand, and make it to where I can have 220v that I can plug my shed into, so that I have 220v and 110v out there, or I can plug my welder in out along the house. I have a Plan.


I have a Plan. ( I keep telling myself that ) The only thing that will stop me is myself.

I have also been toying around with an idea that may get me some more side work, and it will involve the "shop" and will need the fab table.

Lots of plans and lots of needs.


Keep me in gear. See you tomorrow.



Joe

 

[hobbitss]

I think old drawing cabinets would make great tool boxes. Huge, deep, and heavy duty. And as a bonus you could not stack a bunch of stuff in the drawers, and loose things.


Thanks,
Joe

Do you mean something like these???

 

[Zeppe807]

So Far on Track. I am not having luck with the pictures.


It was quite a day building, loading, bringing it home, and unloading it.

But it is home and ready for use.




Joe

 

[takeiteasy]

Do you mean something like these???

That's exactly what I was talking about! Those are pretty much identical to what we have at work. I think they'd work excellent! How do you like using them? What do you have in them? (not to hijack the thread)

 

[takeiteasy]

A little more updated:

Now I need to get to work!

Feedback you were asking for:
I like it. Only wondering one thing: why the toolbox in the middle? For easy access for both benches? Make sure you can roll the toolbox out (don't make the spot the exact width of the rolling tool chest). Maybe you could even make a rolling cart for a chopsaw/mitersaw that would roll in there so you could cut long steel / wood across that long work bench?

About the low cabinets...typically the top cabinets are not as deep (front to back) as the bottom cabinets, so it doesn't restrict the line of sight too much. I actually made my bench deeper rather than change the top cabinets.

 

[hobbitss]

That's exactly what I was talking about! Those are pretty much identical to what we have at work. I think they'd work excellent! How do you like using them? What do you have in them? (not to hijack the thread)

Love them... Loaded all my tools from several craftsman tool boxes...
impact sockets all in one drawer, all other sockets loaded in another, wrenches in the next and screw drivers in another... Plenty of room for more tools..

 

[Zeppe807]

hobbitss: There was a moving co, doing it's job, moving an Arch office out of my building, and I was trying to talk them out of a couple, or at least one. That was this past Friday, so it is funny that we are talking about it this weekend on the thread. I think they would be great.

It is definitely something to watch out for


Joe

 

[admranger]

A little more updated:

Now I need to get to work!

Watch that upper cabinet that's head height as you walk out the house door into the garage. I've whacked myself on one in that spot a few times...it's coming down...

 

[Zeppe807]

I was Successful!

I got everything that I needed to do done.

I was able to get the welding table done (for now), wire up an external plug for my Air Compressor in the shed, and a new quad duplex receptacle in my master closet for my server.

*For the compressor, I mounted a 20amp fused disconnect on a board and a quad duplex receptacle box, all wired by an extension cord to my house. At my house I have a plug and a Breaker/GFCI, that is rain proof, and mounted under an overhang. It is temporary, but will work until I can do the underground.

*Since I have #3 on its way, I have decided to make my desktop into a server, and remote desktop all my laptops into the desktop. I found a lateral file cabinet at a garage sale for $10, cleaned it up, and will use that in the closet for my office supplies and counter for the computer to sit on. It will do.



For the fun and big tough work: On Saturday I packed up all my necessary welding/fab tools necessary, and went to my parents house to build a table. My table top was a road plate that was unusable as a road plate, so the construction co I work for was going to scrap it, so I grabbed it.

I got up early and loaded my tools for the day

Here was the plate to start with:

So it was bottom up, top down, and I wanted to flip it so that when I torch cut it, the good edge would be on top. So I came up with a plan. It went easy.

I cut three of the four edges. At each step I seemed to move it farther from my truck, and closer to the house. I brought a generator out to run my chop saw and grinders.

My dad found my camera, I don't get many pictures of myself working on a project.

All I had for welding rod was 6011, and I told myself I wouldn't spend any money making it.

Leverage. With a large enough lever, I could move the world.

On my way home, I stopped by a friends house, started to talk, and we decided to flip the table before I got home. He had a forklift.

At Home, and my Pop.

I chained an I Beam to my 4"x14" header in the garage, it dispersed the weight to two point, rather than one, and then I attached the hoist to the I beam. It lifted the 1000lb table easy.

The table ended up to be 3.5' X 5.5' & 1" thick. The height is 32" tall. I have 2" x 2" angle frame welded so that I can put a plate on the bottom and to store all my metal working equipment. I plan on having casters that will drop down when I need to move it. I also will add leveling adjusters to the legs. I have other plans too, I just did this to get by for my little side work.



I thought, per my general plan, this table would be the last build for the garage. I planned to build the cabinets, and other benches first. But I am happy, it has been a goal since college, there I had a dozen to use.



Thanks

Joe

 

[Zeppe807]

Feedback you were asking for:
I like it. Only wondering one thing: why the toolbox in the middle? For easy access for both benches? Make sure you can roll the toolbox out (don't make the spot the exact width of the rolling tool chest). Maybe you could even make a rolling cart for a chopsaw/mitersaw that would roll in there so you could cut long steel / wood across that long work bench?

About the low cabinets...typically the top cabinets are not as deep (front to back) as the bottom cabinets, so it doesn't restrict the line of sight too much. I actually made my bench deeper rather than change the top cabinets.

I like the idea of the chop saw.

Watch that upper cabinet that's head height as you walk out the house door into the garage. I've whacked myself on one in that spot a few times...it's coming down...

Thanks For the Input and Thoughts.

Here is a more complete, but not final drawing of the cabinets in the garage. On the top left there is a side view of the cabinets and also on the bottom right. I am 6'2" and the drawing depicts me and my line of site. My work bench is 36" high X 26" deep, the cabinets are 24" higher and 14" deep, the next step out is 52" above the bench and 24" deep. You can also see where I plan on putting my new welding table. I did not plan on making the table quite as deep 3.5', so I may make the cabinets a bit deeper to use more of the area.

The welding table and cabinets will be directly in front of the door as you walk out. On the wall as one would walk out of the door, there is a shoe/cubby hole location built in.

I have decided to build the bench on the upper left differently.

More input please.

Thanks,

 

[takeiteasy]

I really like how the welding bench rolls under the cabinets when not in use! (could even build some shelves/cabinets into the base of the welding bench).
Those upper cabinets at 14" is right (I think kitchen cabinets are typically 12 or 14) (I like your stick man ). Are you going to put under cabinet lighting there?
That stepping down from the washer & dryer is kinda funny, but there's probably a reason for that. Otherwise build a counter above whatever the shorter units are and put a couple of drawers in to make it all level and more uniform?
I'm sure you could put some great storage hanging from the ceiling above the garage door.
I'd second the caution of the cabinet so close to the door with smacking into it. Also might be hard to grab the handle without smacking your face into the cabinet.
You're gonna have tonnes of closed storage and that will be awesome! Looking forward to seeing your outcome!

 

[Zeppe807]

I really like how the welding bench rolls under the cabinets when not in use! Thanks(could even build some shelves/cabinets into the base of the welding bench).I plan on loading up the shelf that will be under the table with my metal working equipment, the angle iron is there for a future sheet of plywood.
Those upper cabinets at 14" is right (I think kitchen cabinets are typically 12 or 14) (I like your stick man ). Are you going to put under cabinet lighting there?
That stepping down from the washer & dryer is kinda funny, but there's probably a reason for that. Otherwise build a counter above whatever the shorter units are and put a couple of drawers in to make it all level and more uniform?Future wash basin, will be to the right of the washer/dryer. The Electrical panel would be over the washer, and the cabinet to the right will eventually be a fridg.
I'm sure you could put some great storage hanging from the ceiling above the garage door.
I'd second the caution of the cabinet so close to the door with smacking into it. Also might be hard to grab the handle without smacking your face into the cabinet.I have been worried more about this than anything else. I think I will mock it up soon to see how it will work, or IF it will work. You guys are scaring me
You're gonna have tonnes of closed storage and that will be awesome! Looking forward to seeing your outcome!

Thanks, I appreciate the ideas, and feed back.



Tonight I was working on a little side-work to fund the backyard/and garage remodel. I like doing little jobs, that will help go towards something. I always like having a goal in mind. That is why I keep posting here. It keeps me on task!

I have always loved working with metal more than anything else. Although my biggest pet peeve is metal dust on everything after grinding, or using abrasive cutting tools. Tonight I bent up some 1/2" conduit real quick and used it to hold my old welding blanket, then used some spring clamps to hold up an old tarp from the rafters. I will test it out tomorrow night.

Have a great night,
Joe

 

[Zeppe807]

Well I found a huge problem with my "Shop", and I knew it could be a problem, just not to this extent. I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POWER. I was trying to cut some tubing with an abrasive saw that kept blowing the breaker. What I have found out was the entire garage is on one 15ampof breaker, along with my living room outlets.

I plan on installing a new breaker box, and rewiring the garage, but not this soon. It will still have to wait. I think I may have to cut a hole next to the current box and install at least 1 quad duplex receptical that would tie into a 20amp breaker.

I need my old Atlas up and running so I think I may have to work on that tonight.


Talk to you all later,
Joe

 

[09 Road King]

Great shop!

 

[Omphaloskeptic]

Zeppe807,

Your shop is coming along nicely; do you ever sleep? lol Pregnant wife, young kids, new home, job, side jobs, garage re-work, shed and backyard projects --- you must be burning the candle at both ends and the middle!

Your wall layouts look good. Have you given any thought to hanging them via a heavy duty 'French cleat' system so you can position them differently as the design changes/matures? Are you making any plans for task lighting under the hanging cabinets to light up your workbench areas?

Your welding bench is one stout beast; it's going to need some equally massive casters (and power steering - lol) to make it mobile. Just a suggestion on the welding/grinding shield (and I am not a welder by trade), is it practical to hang light gauge sheet stock from the bottom edge (on sides and back) of the table using piano style hinges? I'm thinking they would hang down out of the way like a skirt around the table. When you need to use the table for dirty work, the table rolls out from beneath the cabinets and the three skirts flip up and the corners get locked together in some fashion. Getting a little crazier with the design, task lighting and exhaust fan might even be incorporated into the skirts for a useful work station.

 

[Zeppe807]

Zeppe807,

Your shop is coming along nicely; do you ever sleep? lol Pregnant wife, young kids, new home, job, side jobs, garage re-work, shed and backyard projects --- you must be burning the candle at both ends and the middle!

My Wife is Great! She was unable to go back to work after Baby #2, and although it has been hard financial, she is kept busy at home do the most important thing, taking care of the family. That is tough on her because she too went to college and I think she wishes she could do more with her degree. In the past three weeks she has gotten two side jobs, and another possible one on the way. She loves that. We're simple sometimes Oh, and yes we do not get much sleep, but I am getting use to it!

Your wall layouts look good. Have you given any thought to hanging them via a heavy duty 'French cleat' system so you can position them differently as the design changes/matures? Are you making any plans for task lighting under the hanging cabinets to light up your workbench areas?

YES I will be needed LOTS of Lights, I really wish I had them now. Funny I was talking to my Dad yesterday telling him I want to double or triple the amount of light I have now. I have 4 - 4ft tubes in a tight relatively "little" area. So under cabinet lights are a must. I have left a recess in the cabinets, I may add a little more room for them. Since the garage is not "finished out" the dark colors really absorb the light.

Your welding bench is one stout beast; it's going to need some equally massive casters (and power steering - lol) to make it mobile. Just a suggestion on the welding/grinding shield (and I am not a welder by trade), is it practical to hang light gauge sheet stock from the bottom edge (on sides and back) of the table using piano style hinges? I'm thinking they would hang down out of the way like a skirt around the table. When you need to use the table for dirty work, the table rolls out from beneath the cabinets and the three skirts flip up and the corners get locked together in some fashion. Getting a little crazier with the design, task lighting and exhaust fan might even be incorporated into the skirts for a useful work station.

I like that idea, I may have to come up with something. The one thing though, is I don't want to permanently mount a hinge to the edge of the bench because I want to clamp the work to the sides. That is why I inset the legs 4 inches. But the idea is a great start. Now that will be in my mind to do too.





I have to run to work now, I have been up for the last hour plus dealing with kiddo #2, and my wife just woke up, so See Ya.



Joe Zeppe

 

[Zeppe807]

I don't get much sleep, but if I can get what I need done, I'm happy.

This weekend I shoveled about 12the cubic yards of clay out of my backyard and backfilled about 3cu-yds of the top soil that was on top of the clay. My wife is a Landscape Arch, and wants the backyard a foot lower, and the clay dug out deeper in the planting areas. Grass be Easter is the goal!



Joe Zeppe

 

[Omphaloskeptic]

To have side shielding and avoid hinges on the sides, install vertical piano style hinges to the ends of the back piece and attach the side shields to it. The same arrangement done for the Coleman camping stove wind shields. Some simple adjustable arms well below the table surface to secure the free ends of the side shields and thus keep the table ends free for clamping purposes. All three shields would fold flat and flip down behind the table. Does this variation sound more appealing? If so, send $19.95 and a recent ******* magazine to 'Pure Pollock Design and Engineering (very) Limited', Ultima Ratio, Wa.. lol

 

[Zeppe807]

I am so tired I didn't realize that the first post went through, and resent it.

I will have to put up some pictures of the before, concept, & construction of the back yard. My wife is AMAZING and I want to give her the blank slate that she wants to create her own backyard. I don't want it to be like the shoe maker, that can't have new shoes himself. She creates Beautiful Gardens and landscapes, and I want her to have her own now.

I am working like a fool though.

Since interest rates have gone down, the housing market, hasn't dropped too much and we have added so much value to our house (at least we feel that way), we are having an appraiser come to the house (worst timing) to see about refinancing and lowering the mortgage. Hopefully all will turn out well. I have been cleaning everything up and making it look great.





Omphaloskeptic,
I like your idea, I have an idea that compliments it. Thanks, how about you coming over here, and I will buy you a beer.


Thanks,
Joe Zeppe

 

[Zeppe807]

I have been busy lately, I have to stop the work in the backyard due to the rain and the getting the house ready to be apprised to be refinanced. The rain has been probably the worst storm this year (that doesn't say much this year), and go figure, it is when I want to work outside. Here is a picture of quick drawing of the plan, overlaid with the existing. Also a picture of the area that I dug out and backfilled so far.

I had borrowed a porta-band from a guy form work, and decided I had to have one. I have been looking on CL and found one for $90. The one I borrowed is a 6230-N (new), and the I just bought is a 6230 (old) I asked if the guy was good for $80 and he took it! The guide wheels need to be replaced, but otherwise in good shape. I love the variable speed trigger.

I was talking to my Dad this week telling him that I will have to swing by to use his drill press a little this weekend. He called me up this morning and asked if I could come over earlier to help him move his drill press before I got going. So I showed up and asked where to? He replied to my house. He figured that since he didn't use it much that it would be better at my house and he would take my Atlas, that way I have a working drill press. I just ordered the parts needed for it, so I will be fixing it up at his house.

It is an OK Taiwan made drill press, I think the Atlas will be great when that is finished though.

This past week since I couldn’t go outside and work, and I couldn’t really work on my side work in the garage, I took a little time and cleaned my old 50’s Craftsman Bench Grinder.

I have been busy today on my side work, and hope to pull out the sand blaster, torch, and welder tomorrow and get some more work done. I am beat tonight, I am writing this at 12:05!


Joe Zeppe

 

[Omphaloskeptic]

Zeppe807, dang, if gas wasn't so spendy, I'd take you up on that beer! Glad you like the idea.

Quick question - is that tree in the kids' corner going to be big enough by the time you're ready to build the tree house? Gotta plan ahead for these things, ya' know. lol

 

[Zeppe807]

Omphaloskeptic,
No it won't be one of those trees. It is a very nice Apple tree though!


So in Town there is a Scrap Yard / Hardware Store that has been here forever, and it has a 5 acre lot in town with just about everything in it. I love going and exploring, but hate the tease. They are extremely expensive, so it helps me not to buy much.

Some lamps I would love to have in the garage. They want $75 each.

A Sears and Roebuck Table saw, all cast Iron. Neat looking, and who know how old it is. I think they wanted $150, but who knows how long it has been priced

Cutting Tool for a Lathe, A BIG LATHE!! That is my size 12 next to it for reference! They had about a dozen of those in a box, but no price.



They were the only place open on the weekend that had steel available. I need a 2" X 3" x 3/16" rectangle tube, 3ft long = $48 Flame cut, and I had to have it for my project.





Joe Zeppe

 

[burton391]

be cooler if that cutting tool was carbide. Would **** to have to dress that.

 

[Zeppe807]

be cooler if that cutting tool was carbide. Would **** to have to dress that.

True it would be quite a process. I would like to see the lathe that used and it.



On a side note, I have been doing sime side work in the garage, but no work in the back yard due to the rain for the last 4 weekends. But I think I have some more ideas to add to the list once I finish the project.

Joe

 

[keithh2oskier]

Zeppe,

What program did you use for designing your garage? That looks like it would be extremely helpful.

 

[Red Leader]

A Sears and Roebuck Table saw, all cast Iron. Neat looking, and who know how old it is. I think they wanted $150, but who knows how long it has been priced


Joe Zeppe

Those old Atlas-made Craftsman table saws are cool. The elevation/tilt gears can get mashed up over time, but other than that they can be really nice. But I'd agree $150 for that, especially looking like it is missing several things, is too much. Seen 'em on the C/L for $50 complete.

 

[-Brent-]

Those dock lights are pretty cool... but they're asking nearly new prices for them. I picked mine up for $15 and it's NOS. I think if you look around a bit, you'll find one for a lot less in much better condition.

 

[Zeppe807]

Zeppe,

What program did you use for designing your garage? That looks like it would be extremely helpful.

I used AutoCAD. If you don't have it, or if you haven't used it before, it is not your best option. It is quite expensive, and is really powerfull. I think there are cheaper drawing programs available, but I am not sure of the names. Please don't get me wrong, if you want to learn it, you can make good money, and make some neat things.

Joe

 

[Zeppe807]

Those old Atlas-made Craftsman table saws are cool. The elevation/tilt gears can get mashed up over time, but other than that they can be really nice. But I'd agree $150 for that, especially looking like it is missing several things, is too much. Seen 'em on the C/L for $50 complete.

I was thinking about your garage, and addiction when I took that photo. There are so many interesting and old pieces of equipment there it is mind boggling. My wife gives me a time I have to be home, so I don't waits too much time there.

Those dock lights are pretty cool... but they're asking nearly new prices for them. I picked mine up for $15 and it's NOS. I think if you look around a bit, you'll find one for a lot less in much better condition.

I figured so. they would be nice. You said yours is a NOS? I will have to look into it. I have been thinking about making one, I don't think it would be too hard.


Joe Zeppe

 

[Ancient Iron]

 

[Zeppe807]

Your picture has not been working for me,


I have lots of Updates, so I will be hopfully get it in tonight...

 

[Zeppe807]

Well there has been a lot of updates, not all geared toward the garage, but has consequences for the garage.

On my last post about the backyard I had mentioned that we were getting our house refinanced so I could get a lower interest rate, yes even in this down market. Well, even though our backyard was torn apart, we were appraised for $30k more than what we bought the house for. So the work inside really paid off.

I wanted to get the backyard completed, but due to the weather, and a busy personal/family schedule, my schedule for the projects have been blown out. I have been trying to get my Backyard done, and have gotten another side project: a Jeep rear bumper/tire rack.

Last weekend I almost finished the sod and pathway, but I put the sod in on Friday night, and started watering overnight. On Saturday I had planned to finish the 4’ of pathway at the entrance, and then put the stones in the sod, but by 10 am, it was already 90* and the sod was saturated. So, I decided not to ruin the grass, to put the stones in; Next week.
So Far
5/20/12

6/16/12

The other project was a bumper for a co-worker’s Jeep. He paid me for it, site unseen and was very happy to see it finished/nearly when I fitted it to his Jeep. The day that he came over (a 100+ mile round trip), he wanted to add a rack to mount: a gas tank, chain saw, small gas tank for his chain saw, trail tools, Jack, and a cooler… A big order that I am now juggling, along with other projects.

As I was saying, things have been moving quickly, but the garage improvements have not. Well, sort of… In the process of building the bumper, my welder stopped and I had to use my best friends miller, which lead me to buying a new/used welder. I ended up finding a Millermatic 251, and I ordered a new spool gun while I was at it. The night before I found out my family decided to sell my Grandfathers Jeep, so the next day I drove 200 miles to get the welder and when I got home, I drove the other direction to go drive the Jeep home. It is a 1981 CJ-5.

It was a Great DAY!
And they both fit in the garage! Funny because my wife has been trying to get her car in the garage since we moved in.

Until Next time friends,
Joe Zeppe

 

[Zeppe807]

Well, I have been busy getting a bunch of projects done, so I haven't updated much lately. On Sunday I started to demo my shelving and I hope to start to run the wiring this weekend. Photos to come.

As far as my backyard, it will never be done, but here is a quick photo from a couple months ago with my pumpkins growing, and one grown.

Hope all is well,
Joe Zeppe

 

[Zeppe807]

Lots of work has been getting done, most toward my garage goal, but some are based on side effects of doing my current demo/remodel.

Start:

My current goal is to build the cabinet to store my 3.5' x 6.5' x 1" steel welding table, and to get my wife car into the garage for rainy days. At least that is my assumption, I would like to have my Jeep in there as much as possible, but I know that may not be the reality.

I started off demolishing the old cabinet. It was not constructed with much strength, for the size and amount of materials used. I wonder if the OP was too cheap to purchase fasteners, because they were limited.

As I took the multiple types of boards and panels off the wall, I found that the outside security light was wired very odd. So I started to repair and properly install the circuit. When I did this I followed the wire back and found some disturbing issues.

I found that most of my garage is fed off a circuit that feeds my living room and outside lights. It is taken out of my switch box, and has a junction in the wall covered by Sheetrock!

It is a 14ga wire - 15amp circuit, that feeds a 12ga circuit!

I want to strangle the PO after I find out what else he wired.




A friend had built a new house and I got about 6 sheets of 5/8" sheetrock, 5' x 12' sheets! So that is what I used to rock one side of the garage. I had a 5gallon bucket of free white paint from the dumps (before they stopped giving it away ) So I added some black paint to get some gray paint. The color I was going for was close to the gray of the sheetrock. Success! It was perfect.

Good color


Also When I rocked the wall I added new 20amp - 12 ga circuits and plugs, along with a 220v - 60 amp welding circuit. These are in the wall, but not going anywhere until I replace the zinsco breaker box to a better larger one.



Here is the current picture of the build. It will have a long closet on the side, a deep cabinet above for my larger bins, a middle cabinet for my smaller less used bins, and a large cabinet for my most used items.

While on my journey, I had installed a new entrance light, attic access, and front lights and associated wiring. The new front lights were installed twice due to "my" poor choice.


Less than 2 weeks so far, and I have been busy!


Hope all is well

Joe Zeppe

 

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Someone posted about the romex, and how it should be behind sheetrock, and not exposed,... then the post was removed... He also discussed how easy the romex is to cut through the insulation

In this picture I cut into the wall to explore based on a question I had, this is what I found, and what I didn't want to find. So in the beginning it was covered, but on the other-hand, the wire nutted junction should not be in a wall, but in a junction box.

From what I have always told; Romex must be installed behind sheetrock, when under 8ft off the ground. If over 8ft, it must be stapled, but not behind sheetrock.



THE Shocking thing is, the Previous Owner put Romex in PVC, EMT, and Rigid Conduit!! From what I have always told; Romex should not be run in conduit. The OP used a tubing cutter !!!! !!!! to cut the EMT so it left a burr on the inside of the conduit, and when he pulled the Romex through, it cut through the insulation I found this about a month into the remodel and took it all out of the garage!

The ideal wire to be run in conduit in a situation is THHN, not Romex.


Although this is what I have been taught and have always done.


Please let me know if there is something I am missing! Or please let me know what you think.



Thanks,
Joe Zeppe