The VISES of Garage Journal
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Outlaw, Dunlap ran at least until 1963 according to my 1963 Power tools catalog, the Dunlap Model Maker 12 1/4" drill press and the "Drill Press Work Holder' vise shows a Dunlap sticker. There is also the Dunlap 4 inch belt sander in the 1963 catalog.
TreePointer
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See what happens when you break the rules! Craftsman are red, Records are blue (even the red ones), Reeds are grey, Wiltons are verde green, and Parkers are black with white lettering. Gunmetal grey is may be substituted for any color listed above.
Just funnin' ya. Nice vise.
PeterT
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WHat is a 85 lb Colombian blacksmiths Anvil worth?
canuckian
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Finally got a swivel base for my 101028. Thanks to autopts for steering me in the right direction!
Figure I'd snap a pic of both the wiltons. The other is a 1750 (rebranded SO) thats awaiting a strip and repaint. Got a new set of jaws for it at the same time and have a set of pipe jaws enroute as well.
Figure I'd snap a pic of both the wiltons. The other is a 1750 (rebranded SO) thats awaiting a strip and repaint. Got a new set of jaws for it at the same time and have a set of pipe jaws enroute as well.
Outlawmws
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Yep your right, I double checked and missed a couple of hand tools in the 1960 catalog as well, but they were heavily tapered off and by 64 it was gone. After awhile I get bleary eyed scanning the dang things.. Updating my time line again...
There was a Dunlap vise in the 60 catalog, but not the one bigcaddy has..
heavychevy1
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That craftsman/ columbian... whatever it is was some kind of blue grey, I tried to replicate it but umm it turned out not so much. Maybe in a few years I'll get some more motivation and splash some red on it! ( and not paint the slide 
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flashman
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Vises gurus, is this a good deal for a wilton vise?
http://wichita.craigslist.org/tls/2995835240.html
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http://wichita.craigslist.org/tls/2995835240.html
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That must be an Australian Wilton.
flashman
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Would it be worth shelling out $60 for it?
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bigcaddy
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As long as its not cracked or broken, yes. 60 is a good price considering what they sell for elsewhere. I've paid 2.00 for a Baby Bullet and 100.00 for a C2 so go for it!
If you need the vise for you garage, you can't go wrong with that brand/price but i bet you could make an offer of 50 and they would take it
I picked this C-1 a couple of years ago for $68.00. I have since cleaned it up and mounted it. I use it. I'm not gonna paint it or wax it.
Here's a little Mohawk I picked up today for $10.00. I couldn't say no.
Here's a little Mohawk I picked up today for $10.00. I couldn't say no.
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CAOS
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Thought i'd post a photo of my 6" Record I finished restoring, its on the right next to my NOS No.3.
I decided to reuse the old handle as it shows its a work vise and not a show vise. I am excited to beat the hell out of it.
I decided to reuse the old handle as it shows its a work vise and not a show vise. I am excited to beat the hell out of it.
Lump
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Yesterday I went to an auction which boasted a Wilton vise. When I got there, it sure LOOKED like a Wilton bullet vise, and seemed to be pretty old. But it had no maker's name on it anywhere...just a four-digit number in raised cast letters, which started with "17". The endcap of the vise behind the screw was open, and there was a longer number stamped into the head of the screw, where the handle passed through.
I checked it over carefully, not wanting to attract too much attention to it. There were no breaks or cracks, and the paint was both old and apparently original. Handle was not bent. But it was rusted pretty badly inside...I could not open or close the jaws, since it was not bolted to a bench, and everything was rusty enough to be very stiff. There were mud-dauber wasp nests up under the swivel base. It was a 3.5 or 4-inch jaw unit, and the jaws were nice condition. But no country-of-origin marks.
I would like to have a good Wilton bullet, because my workbench is so tall, and Wilton bullets are low-profile. But this one was bid up to $55, and I passed.
May I have your opinions, Vise gurus?
I checked it over carefully, not wanting to attract too much attention to it. There were no breaks or cracks, and the paint was both old and apparently original. Handle was not bent. But it was rusted pretty badly inside...I could not open or close the jaws, since it was not bolted to a bench, and everything was rusty enough to be very stiff. There were mud-dauber wasp nests up under the swivel base. It was a 3.5 or 4-inch jaw unit, and the jaws were nice condition. But no country-of-origin marks.
I would like to have a good Wilton bullet, because my workbench is so tall, and Wilton bullets are low-profile. But this one was bid up to $55, and I passed.
May I have your opinions, Vise gurus?
Nightshift
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Lump, you didn't by chance snag a pic of that no-name did you?
PCO6
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Very nice.Thought i'd post a photo of my 6" Record I finished restoring, its on the right next to my NOS No.3.
I decided to reuse the old handle as it shows its a work vise and not a show vise. I am excited to beat the hell out of it.
I have a Record No. 6 as my main bench vice (post # 4157) and it seems to be the right size for most of what I want to do.CAOS
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Very nice.
Yea the 6" will go on my main fab table. The 4" will go on the work bench. Id really like to find an 8" to mount to a pedestal. i have a few others but plan on having these 2 and someday the 8" as my main 3.
You have my vise envy on garage journal, Records always have been my favorite.
PCO6
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MINE TOO!
And we're not alone!Lump
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No, I had been to two other auctions that day; this was my 3rd stop, and they were almost ready to sell this vise when I got my number and took my place in the audience. I checked it over carefully, but didn't want to draw too much attention to it by taking photos. In MY opinion, there were several people in this bidding group who were guessing at which items to spend big bucks for. Some of those guys paid outrageous prices for some items, while passing on other items which I knew to be valuable. So I was afraid that, if they saw me making too much of a fuss over that vise, they would pay too much for it, ASSUMING that it was valuable.
(you know the type...they don't really know what they're doing, so when they make up their mind to win an item, they won't stop no matter what.)
Lump
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I'll give you an example of the poor bidding I was referring to:
The auctioneer held up a pair of used chrome tail light bezels. Someone correctly pointed out that they were for a 1955 Chevrolet. But they were pitted, and looking pretty tired. Yet two guys went to the wall bidding on them, as though they were gold. I know (and you probably know) that beautiful reproduction units are available at very reasonable prices, and that it costs a FORTUNE to get such items replated today. So most car freaks wouldn't buy them at all.....
The auctioneer held up a pair of used chrome tail light bezels. Someone correctly pointed out that they were for a 1955 Chevrolet. But they were pitted, and looking pretty tired. Yet two guys went to the wall bidding on them, as though they were gold. I know (and you probably know) that beautiful reproduction units are available at very reasonable prices, and that it costs a FORTUNE to get such items replated today. So most car freaks wouldn't buy them at all.....
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Outlawmws
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If it is shipping on that pallet, it had better be tied on with more than string...
What's that puppy weigh?
What's that puppy weigh?
joshmodelskidoo
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where do i find replacement jaw pads for my old wilton that im restoring? has the numbers 101158 and 101157. or any other info on it?
bigcaddy
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I'm not too familiar with facebook and wasn't able to find the pictures you were talking about so it would help to post them on here for everybody to see. The 2 numbers that you have provided are casting/part numbers, stationary and dynamic jaw, for a 4" machinist vise. Replacement jaws can be a bit expensive so it all depends how much you are into the vise and what you are willing to spend.
There are a few resident members with lots of old vise parts laying around and might be able to help you out. Autopts would be the one to ask. If you go the "new" route, Ebay or an internet search will find you what you need.
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Outlawmws
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The Columbian is NOT a machinist vise, and can be broken if abused like they often are. I believe that is a pattern maker's vise?
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bobkentnova
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Outlawmws, What differentiates a pattern makers vise from a machinist vise?
Outlawmws
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Borrowing Odie's pic from just above; A machinist vise will have very stout jaws, as show, you vise, has extended jaws and and much thinner, similar to a gunsmith's vise, only the gunsmiths vise is smaller and has a different swivel allowing it to rotate at an angle 90 deg from the usual swivel base.
bobkentnova
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Outlawmws, Thanks. I touched base with an old friend of mine who is a journeyman pattern maker. He added that the machinist vise has "teeth" in the jaws for a better hold where the pattern makers vise has smooth jaws. It appears that the gun smiths vise has smooth jaws too.
He also mentioned that machinists vises tend to have tighter screws so that more leverage can be had when closing the vise.
He also mentioned that machinists vises tend to have tighter screws so that more leverage can be had when closing the vise.
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Lump
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I tried to find an ad or catalog listing among my antique catalogs for a Pattern-maker's vise, as I also recognized that design. But I couldn't find anything to show you from here at the office. But I see that you figured that out already. Cool.
demographic
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This is one design for a pattern makers vise. Its an Oliver Universal.
It swivels in all directions to enable carving intricate shapes.
Some info on an Emmert Turtleback HERE
These are pretty special items and not so many of them about, if you get one to use on a woodworking bench the bench is best designed around the vise.
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zoomieport
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It's a Tin Knocker's vise...
Outlawmws
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Well, I see Yost has a similar vise billed as a "sheetmetal workers vise" however I' have spent all my adult life and more with close friends in the sheet metal industry, and I have never seen them use or even own a vise like that. I've also been in their commercial shops, and never saw a vise like that in those shops?
Maybe a marketing approach by Yost?zoomieport
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Well, I see Yost has a similar vise billed as a "sheetmetal workers vise" however I' have spent all my adult life and more with close friends in the sheet metal industry, and I have never seen them use or even own a vise like that. I've also been in their commercial shops, and never saw a vise like that in those shops?
I completely agree, working as an industrial electrician and now in construction sales, I have never seen one in use by a tin knocker.
I did a while back run into an old ad from Reed believe it or not, they made one too, and they referred to it as a "sheet metal" vise too... Maybe it was just too much before our time, being the YOUNG men we are!!!
Outlawmws
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I completely agree, working as an industrial electrician and now in construction sales, I have never seen one in use by a tin knocker.
I did a while back run into an old ad from Reed believe it or not, they made one too, and they referred to it as a "sheet metal" vise too... Maybe it was just too much before our time, being the YOUNG men we are!!!
Lump
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Like Outlaw, I was a professional sheet metal worker, and after I moved on to an automotive career, I still hang out with tinners. And I have not see a vise like that in a tin shop.
On the other hand, I can see where someone might think it would be a good idea for a tinner to use. The tall, thin and wide jaws would allow someone to clamp something in the vise jaws and bend it past 90 degrees easily enough, up to the width of the jaws. But of course, most tinners I know would use a brake to bend metal anyway.....
Who knows. Nice vise.
On the other hand, I can see where someone might think it would be a good idea for a tinner to use. The tall, thin and wide jaws would allow someone to clamp something in the vise jaws and bend it past 90 degrees easily enough, up to the width of the jaws. But of course, most tinners I know would use a brake to bend metal anyway.....
Who knows.
Nice vise. Harvey Melvin Richards
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Like Outlaw, I was a professional sheet metal worker, and after I moved on to an automotive career, I still hang out with tinners. And I have not see a vise like that in a tin shop.
On the other hand, I can see where someone might think it would be a good idea for a tinner to use. The tall, thin and wide jaws would allow someone to clamp something in the vise jaws and bend it past 90 degrees easily enough, up to the width of the jaws. But of course, most tinners I know would use a brake to bend metal anyway.....
Who knows.
I've worked occasionally with sheet metal, I usually bleed when I do. If anyone has a "tinner's vise" that they don't need, send it to me, I will pay shipping. And I'll call it whatever you want me too.