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The VISES of Garage Journal
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Low Friction
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Looks like a Prentiss 22 with the swivel base plate missing. The swivel release handle is missing also.
anodyne33
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Interesting. I'm going to have to measure it up in the next few days. It's unfortunately got to live in the Jeep until we move in a few months and hopefully I can find it a semi permanent home.
PCO6
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YIKES!!!! I have a Record No. 8 and I thought it is a monster. For comparison it weighs 82 lbs., has 8" jaws and a 9.625 jaw to jaw opening.
Here it is next to a No. 1. These are the largest and smallest Record vices of this style I have seen. Yours is in a different category all together!
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spongerich
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This one is a little change of pace. I've been looking for a decent milling vise that wouldn't break the bank. Found this one on CL last night. for $40. I had to drive 4 hours to get it, but it's a nice chunk of old iron, and at least $200 cheaper than the other ones I've looked at.
PCO6
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I bought a Record No. 4 new in the mid 70's and still have it. I think yours is a bit older than mine. If you look at the front face of the dynamic jaw, yours has a horizantal ridge cast into it. My No. 4 does not. I have 4 other Record vices that I know are older than my No. 4 and they all a ridge (see post #4292 above for my Nos. 1 & 8). Yours also has a sticker that provides lubrication instructions. My No. 1 also has one but my No. 4 did not come with one.I picked this No. 4 up the other day, it seems to be in pretty good shape. Anybody have an idea how old it is? Thanks
You're going to like that vice.
Catalyze
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Okay Record people.....Have I got a deal for somebody. I have a genuine (love that word in a sales pitch) Record Swivel Base that "should" fit a Record 4 or 5 vise. I say "should" because that is what is cast on the base. I got it at an auction with the great idea of buying the swivel base cheaply and then buying a stationary Record vise which not many folks would want compared to a swivel base. My plan went exactly as intended......up to Part 1. Then it went to Hell when I got outbid every time on the stationary Record vises. So......I ended up with a base and no vise. If someone out there CAN use it to convert their vise to a swivel model, just post under here and you can have it for Free. Help me out with shipping if you would be so kind and the World will be a better place. This isn't meant to cause a "feeding frenzy"....I just want somebody that contributes to this Thread to get something back from us. Just post under this and then we can PM an address for me to send it. Here are some photos for you all. The bolt spacing is 5 1/2" apart.
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Canadian Cowboy
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PM sent.
Catalyze
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Sounds fine to me Sir!
Do us a favor and post a before and after couple of photos. I am really glad to see this go to good use. It is like a constant reminder of a plan that sort of fell apart....okay...it totally fell apart. Since that auction, I made a vow to never own a Record vise...LOL
Craig
Do us a favor and post a before and after couple of photos. I am really glad to see this go to good use. It is like a constant reminder of a plan that sort of fell apart....okay...it totally fell apart. Since that auction, I made a vow to never own a Record vise...LOL
Craig
Canadian Cowboy
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I will Thanks,Craig
Had to post up my excitement, I just won a few big vises at auction. I won't have them until next week or so due to shipping but I had to share the news! One is a 4" wide jaw Columbian, one is a Reed 32 and there is another on the pallet that looks about 25% bigger than the Reed but I can not make out a brand from pics, its BIG. Here are the crappy auction thumbnails.
Blue is Columbian, third and fourth are Reed with a Machinist Vise beside it and the last is the bigass vise.
Blue is Columbian, third and fourth are Reed with a Machinist Vise beside it and the last is the bigass vise.
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Grats Nine on the nice haul!
It is hard to make out much from the small photos so be sure to give us some new ones when it all arrives.
Craig
It is hard to make out much from the small photos so be sure to give us some new ones when it all arrives.
Craig
amaes
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Damn you guys. I might be addicted to restoring Vises now!
Picking up a 5" Starret Vise after work for $35. Going to restore it and give it to my dad for Father's day
EDIT: nevermind the guys said he sold it for me and then called an hour later and said he gave it to someone else for $5 more without even calling me. What a ****.
Picking up a 5" Starret Vise after work for $35. Going to restore it and give it to my dad for Father's day
EDIT: nevermind the guys said he sold it for me and then called an hour later and said he gave it to someone else for $5 more without even calling me. What a ****.
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IBenDcars
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First up is a Ken Tool KT4800 that needs a swivel base.
I picked this up for $10 and replaced the center bolt that holds the "main vise nut". Now I just need to find swivel base and new jaws.
I also got a Free craftsman that needs a new "main vise nut".
It is a 391 5188 Made in Japan.
The threads are good on the handle rod just stripped out in the middle nut.
I picked this up for $10 and replaced the center bolt that holds the "main vise nut". Now I just need to find swivel base and new jaws.
I also got a Free craftsman that needs a new "main vise nut".
It is a 391 5188 Made in Japan.
The threads are good on the handle rod just stripped out in the middle nut.
Have a question for the Wilton experts, what can you tell me about this woodworkers vise? I have seen a few Wilton woodworkers but they all had Wilton cast into the iron. This one has an old water transfer decal and it is an old one. If the info for dating holds true it would be older than 1956. This is a well built heavy duty 10" with a wood handle. My uneducated guess is this could have been made by another company (maybe Jorgenson) and Wilton put there name on it. I got this and the little Rock Island 571 off the same bench yesterday for ten bucks. So no matter what it is I'm in good shape.
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Mark in Indiana
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Hello Vise Friends,
I just won this Wilton vise (see picture) at an estate auction for $5.00. It's scheduled for a clean up. I have some questions for the Wilton experts:
1. I've seen that this vise was called a "gunsmiths vise" or a "swivel / pivot vise". Whats the proper name for the vise? What is it best used for?
2. I've only seen this Wilton model twice. Both times it looked like the jaws were missing. Were there jaws for the vise? If so, what were they made from?
If there are to be jaws added, what material was used? I was thinking of making a set out of aluminum or UHMW nylon. Opinions?
Thanks
I just won this Wilton vise (see picture) at an estate auction for $5.00. It's scheduled for a clean up. I have some questions for the Wilton experts:
1. I've seen that this vise was called a "gunsmiths vise" or a "swivel / pivot vise". Whats the proper name for the vise? What is it best used for?
2. I've only seen this Wilton model twice. Both times it looked like the jaws were missing. Were there jaws for the vise? If so, what were they made from?
If there are to be jaws added, what material was used? I was thinking of making a set out of aluminum or UHMW nylon. Opinions?
Thanks
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Provincial
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Jaw material will depend on what you are holding. There is a recent thread here about using UHMW for jaw material. Two drawbacks to UHMW are that it is slippery and tends to crack. Suggested materials included hardwood, aluminum, copper, brass, and polyurethene.
I am a big fan of the Aluminum jaws as they are fairly stiff, still soft enough to cut (and not damage most other things being held in the jaws), and since it is relatively easy to have various sets of jaws depending what you need to "hold". I have two sets:
Original thread in here:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114929&page=2
Will
Original thread in here:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114929&page=2
Will
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I am a big fan of the Aluminum jaws as they are fairly stiff, still soft enough to cut (and not damage most other things being held in the jaws), and since it is relatively easy to have various sets of jaws depending what you need to "hold". I have two sets:
Original thread in here:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114929&page=2
Will
Nice looking knife. Do you make them for others? Any other pics?
The knife blank is an off-the-shelf series (called Mules) from Spyderco. Do a Google search on "Spyderco Mules".
The grips are 95% complete for these Mules, and come from various sources - those come from here:
http://www.halperntitanium.com/knife.html
And you should really check this long thread on the Spyderco Forums, which has tons of outstanding examples of completed Mules - Do a Google search for "Show your mule".
Will
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Carguy99
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Let me tell you about my Wilton vice. This guy comes to me though my father. He passed away 20 years ago. This was the vice I grew up on. It was always mounted on the heavy steel bench my father built. This is the vice I used to learn how to cut, drill, file, tap and shape metal. All under my fathers watchful eye.
Today, I decided to remove this vice from the wobbly workbench its been mounted to and give it a proper home perched on top of some half inch plate I recently acquired. While I was working on its new home I had a chance to think about all I have learned using it and what it means to me and hundreds of others.
I think the most important lessons taught to me, had nothing to do with the specific operation to be learned that day. It was more about pride of workmanship. Enjoy the satisfaction of a job well done even if no one but you will ever see it. Taking ones time and enjoying the task at hand and spending time with my dad.
I remember the day my dad taught me how to drill a hole. He clamped a piece of quarter inch plate in this vice, handed me a three eighth inch drill bit and told me he would pay me a nickel for every hole I could drill. I remember him saying’” If you want I can show you how.”
That was a lot of money to an eight year old. I thought “easy money” and got to work as fast as I could drilling holes. I didn't have time to learn and I knew how to drill. Hit the trigger and push.
By my second or third hole the going slowed as the bit dulled. By the fifth or sixth the bit was smoking and getting red from the heat it was producing. I don't think I made it to seven. I am sure the last hole must have been painful for my father to watch as I wore though the last of the plate and destroyed that bit.
Then, my dad took the time to explain the right way to sharpen a bit, how to tighten a bit in a chuck what feed speed and tip speed is and what heat treating metal is. How to listen to the bit and read the chips. Along with the many other steps to properly drill a hole. “Slower is faster” It’s a lesson I have never forgotten.
I am a college professor I teach automotive and now I am the watchful eye. I teach the same lessons the same way I was taught.
When I use this vice I feel my father I hear his voice and I feel the comfort of his watchful eye. As can be seen in the picture I still haven't drilled all the mounting holes. I think Ill take it slow.
Today, I decided to remove this vice from the wobbly workbench its been mounted to and give it a proper home perched on top of some half inch plate I recently acquired. While I was working on its new home I had a chance to think about all I have learned using it and what it means to me and hundreds of others.
I think the most important lessons taught to me, had nothing to do with the specific operation to be learned that day. It was more about pride of workmanship. Enjoy the satisfaction of a job well done even if no one but you will ever see it. Taking ones time and enjoying the task at hand and spending time with my dad.
I remember the day my dad taught me how to drill a hole. He clamped a piece of quarter inch plate in this vice, handed me a three eighth inch drill bit and told me he would pay me a nickel for every hole I could drill. I remember him saying’” If you want I can show you how.”
That was a lot of money to an eight year old. I thought “easy money” and got to work as fast as I could drilling holes. I didn't have time to learn and I knew how to drill. Hit the trigger and push.
By my second or third hole the going slowed as the bit dulled. By the fifth or sixth the bit was smoking and getting red from the heat it was producing. I don't think I made it to seven. I am sure the last hole must have been painful for my father to watch as I wore though the last of the plate and destroyed that bit.
Then, my dad took the time to explain the right way to sharpen a bit, how to tighten a bit in a chuck what feed speed and tip speed is and what heat treating metal is. How to listen to the bit and read the chips. Along with the many other steps to properly drill a hole. “Slower is faster” It’s a lesson I have never forgotten.
I am a college professor I teach automotive and now I am the watchful eye. I teach the same lessons the same way I was taught.
When I use this vice I feel my father I hear his voice and I feel the comfort of his watchful eye. As can be seen in the picture I still haven't drilled all the mounting holes. I think Ill take it slow.
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This just came up for sale today
I think I'm going to ride out and see this tomorrow early. Too unusual to not take a look. Says Wilton on the side.
I think I'm going to ride out and see this tomorrow early. Too unusual to not take a look. Says Wilton on the side.
Outlawmws
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Mark, That really isn't an actual gunsmith vise. It was a fairly inexpensive homeowners vise for general purpose use, just with the side swivel. I had one for 30 odd years up until a year or so ago, when I gave it to a friend. I used it most of the time I had it as a welding vise, where the side swivel was somewhat handy and annoying at the same time. The annoying part was a big reason I gave it away.
Jaws: The 2 holes in the primary faces are for light press fit pins to hold the jaw faces. (tighter in the jaws slip fit/light press in the jaw face) IIR. Mild steel, but you can use almost anything. There is also a place for a set of pipe jaws under the primary jaws. certainly other materials can be used for the jaw face, and checked in various ways as needed. the original faces were a very light checking.
FYI, here is a pic of a classic style gunsmith vise:
Outlawmws
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Re: This just came up for sale today
Zeke, cool looking Wilton! Smacks of Art Deco, and it even has the pritchel hole hot chisel!
I think I'm going to ride out and see this tomorrow early. Too unusual to not take a look. Says Wilton on the side.
Zeke, cool looking Wilton! Smacks of Art Deco, and it even has the pritchel hole hot chisel!
Outlawmws
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Zeke
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I got it. 20 bucks. It's not very big, but it is very cool. No cracks. It's known as as a Shop King. http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11305
I'm going to clean it, paint it gray/green and highlight the ribbing in red. Or maybe gray hammertone with highlights.
I think I will accent the pipe jaws too. I'll keep the handles and jaws bright. I suppose I should keep the anvil surface bright as well.
The seller handed me 3 square head bolts with square nuts that were used to bolt it down. Now that's some old time and original stuff I'll have to use. I didn't get any history on it.
bigcaddy
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Zeke,
Shop kings are cool vises and it's extremely rare to find one with the hot chisel insert still included, and you even have the pipe jaws! The first and only one I've found had it and it looked great restored with a very glossy bright red paint job. Post some pics when it's done.
Shop kings are cool vises and it's extremely rare to find one with the hot chisel insert still included, and you even have the pipe jaws! The first and only one I've found had it and it looked great restored with a very glossy bright red paint job. Post some pics when it's done.
Pug}{maN
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here is what i got as of now,
Montgomery Ward Lakeside No. 27 Bench Vise
old blacksmith vise
a jap made vise
and a small clap on that i cant find a C.O.O on
Montgomery Ward Lakeside No. 27 Bench Vise
old blacksmith vise
a jap made vise
and a small clap on that i cant find a C.O.O on
Zeke
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Zeke
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Try again with the pic and another camera.
OK, problem solved. I didn't want to do it, but I placed a small cold chisel at the parting line and gave it some gentle taps. It worked loose. I didn't want to booger the edges because the thing is a virgin.
But, as with any virgin, I was nice to it.
OK, problem solved. I didn't want to do it, but I placed a small cold chisel at the parting line and gave it some gentle taps. It worked loose. I didn't want to booger the edges because the thing is a virgin.
But, as with any virgin, I was nice to it.
No through holes.
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Zeke,
You have a relatively simple, inexpensive vise.
Use a brass drift on the edges of the jaws, to drive the steel jaws away from the back jaw casting.
Hold the drift at a suitable angle, near the 'joint line' between the steel jaw, and the casting, and tap firmly with a medium size hammer........the brass will tend to 'adhere' slightly to the steel, as it slides over the steel, and, with the correct angle found by trial and error, will eventually move the steel jaws away from the casting to allow you to get the soft drift on the corner of the jaw.
When a little bit of gap has been opened, you may be tempted to drive a thin screw driver blade in, as a wedge.....if you do, take care not to scar the casting.
cheers
Carla
You have a relatively simple, inexpensive vise.
Use a brass drift on the edges of the jaws, to drive the steel jaws away from the back jaw casting.
Hold the drift at a suitable angle, near the 'joint line' between the steel jaw, and the casting, and tap firmly with a medium size hammer........the brass will tend to 'adhere' slightly to the steel, as it slides over the steel, and, with the correct angle found by trial and error, will eventually move the steel jaws away from the casting to allow you to get the soft drift on the corner of the jaw.
When a little bit of gap has been opened, you may be tempted to drive a thin screw driver blade in, as a wedge.....if you do, take care not to scar the casting.
cheers
Carla
Zeke
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Carla, good tips. I didn't have a brass drift but I did have a lead hammer. No dice getting that to bite as you described. I actually thought of what you just explained. And, I didn't want to mess up the casting. I think I got away with minimal damage and by the time I'm done, nothing will show. I won't be blasting the body or over polishing the handles.
I know the vise is not a real dandy, it's just cool. I have an old and worn Columbian and another old and worn Athol swivel model. This one is a toy for me and the only one that will get restored, albeit not correctly in red. I'm not sure I want to mount it when done, but then again, what's the point in owning a tool?
Alright, it's disassembled and in an over night sauna of warm water, detergent and pool acid. I would have preferred muriatic, but sulfuric is all we get. Should be clean by tomorrow.
I know the vise is not a real dandy, it's just cool. I have an old and worn Columbian and another old and worn Athol swivel model. This one is a toy for me and the only one that will get restored, albeit not correctly in red. I'm not sure I want to mount it when done, but then again, what's the point in owning a tool?
Alright, it's disassembled and in an over night sauna of warm water, detergent and pool acid. I would have preferred muriatic, but sulfuric is all we get. Should be clean by tomorrow.
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