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Did you see where he works at? The truck probably gets mobbed every time they bring him out a tool.

That place is like half of many dealers routes.

I always tell him I feel sorry for him if he gets the treatment the rest of us get. You'll notice the bg Snappy people on here are usually the ones with the super dealers.
 
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I've been privy to some Snap-on marketing presentations and I can tell you 100% that Snap-on is targeting tech students in every industry (Auto, Aerospace, Motorcycle, Industrial).

They have distinct marketing plans, products and programs to get budding mechanics buying Snap-on Tools. Heck, we even spent a good amount of time at a recent sales conference learning about how to work with generation "Y" ("Why?") kids.

They aren't ashamed of it, and why should they be. The fact of the matter is Snap-on is in the business of selling tools. It's good business to try to get your target market to buy your tools. Especially in a business where brand loyalty is so prevalent.

Clearly most of the new-techs in the business can't afford to buy Snap-on without a little help. Some get help from their family, or work while they're in school to help pay for their training and equipment. Snap-on tries to help too by discounting the tools while they're enrolled in a program. They donate tools and equipment to the schools to try to improve the quality of the programs and they offer scholarships to encourage excellence in these programs.

All of this stuff comes at a cost to Snap-on (direct cost ie. a cash/product lay-out, or indirect ie. discounting the tools and losing profit) but it's worth their while to invest in the market that buys their tools.

I'm not sure to what extent other tool companies invest in the educational market, but it makes good business sense.
 

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No Snap~on guy. Either a new one has our route, and refuses to stop, or someone has crossed their route, and is risking corporates rath, due to already having customers that changed jobs.

Matco guy, was a new kid a few years ago. He went nuts and was threatening to shoot someone in one of his dealer accounts. He lost that whole road, and 3/4 of his territory over that (he REALLY was nuts) and didn't last long. Matco tried to bring in someone new, and MATCO was told to leave the premisis at multiple locations, or face the cops. (he REALLY screwed things up for that company)

Mac, is our only dealer. Some of their stuff is good, A lot of it is overpriced Stanley (word). His service has been going downhill lately (a month to order ONE socket).

I have better luck with Sears/Fastenal, and some commercial places. Honestly what I don't have, I have access to, as people know how I treat my tools.
 
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"Interesting though about the 50% pricing. Most products sold don't have that kind of profit margin"

I worked in retail when I was in college in a Lowes/HD type of store. Our UPC book showed that over half of our inventory was marked up 100% over our cost. We sold a few items at cost as loss leaders like 20x20 air filters and 8 penny nails, but majority were sold at a 100% mark up.

Coach

service customers get the joy of buying their parts for double list
about 120-140% over cost
and parts still loses money
snap makes the best tools , when I started out , all the serious guys who made the big bucks had snap on , you don't get respect or taken seriously without a top of the line toolbox in the shop , it's all showbiz
you also make more money if you have a family
6 tax deductions help ease the pain a little
 

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The shops you worked in paid you more if you had a family?

Interesting comment about the toolbox. I always gave mechanics credit for being smarter than that. The few mechanics I know will comment on someone's skill or knowledge but I've never heard them make comment on someone's tool box unless someone got a new one.

Coach
 

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Did you see where he works at? The truck probably gets mobbed every time they bring him out a tool.

That place is like half of many dealers routes.

I always tell him I feel sorry for him if he gets the treatment the rest of us get. You'll notice the bg Snappy people on here are usually the ones with the super dealers.

Apparently you haven't seen me talk about our old dealer when our hangar was on the other side of the airport. He was the biggest p.o.s. you could imagine. My current dealer treats everybody great, it doesn't matter if you've spent $10,000, or are walking on the truck the first time to spend $10.
 

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You can always go to the driver if you want to buy $1000.00 worth of tools and ask for a cash discount. Normally they will do this for you as fuel and credit costs them money.
Most but not all dealers will do this.
 

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I am a student at wyo-tech and yes we work with snap-on tools out of a snapon box. Yes I understand they want to get us started on using their tools but at the same time I like the tools and how they feel. It all boils down to how much you use tools. I am planning on being a diesel tech for the next 30 some odd years so I want to buy quality. Yes i would probably start off smaller if i was not getting a 50 percent discount on tools and that is the reason i justify going into debt for tools. The discount is more than the interest that and no good mechanic would want to go into your first job without a good box and tools. Its all part of pride in oneself. The thing that I don't like about snapon is the interest payment that they hook people up with. It is like 18 percent APR! Which is why i plan on using a personal loan possibly from Prosper.com.

The other thing that i like is the fact that most snap-on tools are made in the US and they list where everything is made online. I feel that buying things made in the US ensures that I am able to work here in the US and have a good job. At least I am comforted by the fact that I might be contributing to some american being able to keep his job and not loose it because his company moved over seas. Thats the way I look at it.
 

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The thing is that Snap on put many mechanics in debt even before they start to make money. Some of them have to leave this business, because they can not get over this.

I saw many stories like this on Craigslist. They have to sell their tools to pay off their debt to Snap on.

snap on doesnt put these techs into debt they get bigheaded and simply cant cut it in the real world. I am only 22 and have a healthy set of tools ive only been buying since i was 19 and while i dont have alot of truck brands my tools are more than sufficient to get the job done and if it breaks i just replace it with a higher quality replacement but so far the only thing ive had break is my tubing cutter but most techs understand about getting what you can when starting out and building from there. the most important part of my tool collection is that i bought it with 100% cash and i dont owe anyone anything for it. Now while truck accounts and debt is a way of life they must be done in modest amounts. There is an older guy in the shop with a 56" matco top bottom and side locker who is still making payments on his box and tools and not really buying anything else because he is at his cap where i am slowly buying things month to month and in a year of my current job ive more than doubled my tool collection and still support my wife (she is a student so no income from her) and my daughter and pay all my bills and my house payment so i guess some people just dont see the need for moderation in their purchases!!
 

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snap on doesnt put these techs into debt they get bigheaded and simply cant cut it in the real world. I am only 22 and have a healthy set of tools ive only been buying since i was 19 and while i dont have alot of truck brands my tools are more than sufficient to get the job done and if it breaks i just replace it with a higher quality replacement but so far the only thing ive had break is my tubing cutter but most techs understand about getting what you can when starting out and building from there. the most important part of my tool collection is that i bought it with 100% cash and i dont owe anyone anything for it. Now while truck accounts and debt is a way of life they must be done in modest amounts. There is an older guy in the shop with a 56" matco top bottom and side locker who is still making payments on his box and tools and not really buying anything else because he is at his cap where i am slowly buying things month to month and in a year of my current job ive more than doubled my tool collection and still support my wife (she is a student so no income from her) and my daughter and pay all my bills and my house payment so i guess some people just dont see the need for moderation in their purchases!!


You're attempting to have a conversation with a ghost.

The guy is not able to reply.
 

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It's costs a lot of money to operate Snap On distribution network. Shipping is a hugh part of tool cost. I could live real good on their UPS monthly bill.
I think the discount is a big help to a new mechanic.
I even think they should offer it to all mechanics who make a $1000.00 purchase.
 

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Bottom line is, Snap On tools ARE overpriced for the casual user, but NOT for the Professional. If your livelihood doesn't depend on your tools, Snap On can be a luxury. If it does, it's a necessity.

And that makes perfect sense, does it not?!?

Exactly....

I've been in the automotive business for 35-plus years. When I started, I spent every bit of the money I made the first summer out of school at Sears on Craftsman stuff. Then started buying Snap-on stuff, paying about a third of a small paycheck a week. I did this for years. And I don't get the fact that some people would think that I was somehow "Brainwashed" into getting into debt with SO. Some kids are responsible, some aren't (Many adults too)...

For years I worked flat rate in a VERY busy shop. We did everything, every phase of automotive work (except body). I did strictly heavy work, Engines, transmissions, rear end (setups too) R&R and some rebuilding. One year I counted I did 27 clutch jobs alone. I can't count the air tools I've ran through, but looking at my box yesterday there was five 1/2 guns alone (some I had rebuilt to use as backups) So I know a little something about what works, and what lasts (most everything wears out/breaks BTW, EVERY brand)

Back in the ninety's I weeded every Craftsman (with the exception of a set of old 1/2 deep twelve point sockets that are very thin-walled) tool I had. They didn't stand up, and the nearest store is 60 miles one way. I couldn't wait, and didn't have the time to drive to get replacements. And that was before the cheapened up the quality (I was appalled to see what the new stuff looks like now). I bought two sets of everything that I used on a daily basis so that if it broke, I had a back-up (or lost it). Air tools and all.

We had two tool dealers, Snap-on (still the same guy) Mac, and at some points someone would pick up the Cornwell franchise. The Mac guy was a friend and I bought specific stuff from him. No wrenches, sockets, ratchets, screwdrivers, Mostly air tools, vise grips, pliers, things of that nature that were low wear items (except for the air tools). I never liked any of the aforementioned Mac stuff, Snap-on had flank-drive which works great, the wrenches were longer (also flank-drive) etc.

A note about ratchets. I never bought many, probably no more than thirty total. I used air tools for everything possible, still do. I see people cringe on some of the stuff I use them on, but trust me. If you use them everyday for years, you get a feel for it (holding the sockets with your hand, how much power particular metals need, etc). And on flat rate, that what you need: time saving.

My Mac buddy finally flamed out, and they never replaced him. So anything I had that needed service had to be sent back to the company. After trying twice sending things back, between shipping and repair costs (besides the time involved) it was hardly worth it. All the Mac stuff went into the trash, as it wore out. If I had purchased the items I mentioned before, Then what? I'll tell you. I'd replace it with Snap-on, and give it away, because it isn't worth my time to bother sending it off. And in my experience, everything breaks more frequently than Snap-on anyways. Of course some of this hinges on what salesman shows up, but I would say there's a better chance that if the Snap-on dealer retires (he's also a friend) there will be another dealer picking up the route.

After all this time and over 100K of purchases this is what rings true for me.
 
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They have distinct marketing plans, products and programs to get budding mechanics buying Snap-on Tools. Heck, we even spent a good amount of time at a recent sales conference learning about how to work with generation "Y" ("Why?") kids.

They aren't ashamed of it, and why should they be. The fact of the matter is Snap-on is in the business of selling tools. It's good business to try to get your target market to buy your tools. Especially in a business where brand loyalty is so prevalent.

Clearly most of the new-techs in the business can't afford to buy Snap-on without a little help. Some get help from their family, or work while they're in school to help pay for their training and equipment. Snap-on tries to help too by discounting the tools while they're enrolled in a program. They donate tools and equipment to the schools to try to improve the quality of the programs and they offer scholarships to encourage excellence in these programs.

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I think it's a great thing. It give kids a start in a business that's very tough to equip yourself in. They appreciate it once they realize (after they start buying) what has been given to them....
 

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in some way, tools are like drugs. the first couple hits are always come in cheap, after you are hooked, money talks.

same way as the tool companys.
 

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One of the things that owning quality will teach you is pride of ownership, it will also teach you to pick up after yourself, and keep track of where your tools are at all times, there is nothing like having to pay to replace something that you have lost because of your own carelessness. This applies to pens, sunglasses, tools, any quality item, misplace a $200 pen, and that will be the first and only time.
 

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The inproper use of phrase's is annoying!!
"Who wants to throw their money?"
Who want's to throw their money away.

So....In an attempt to poke fun at his forgetting a single word, ending a sentence none the less, you misspell a word and err on two possessives.

:lol:

Good shot, mate. ;-)
 

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Software is another industry where they give you huge discounts for students; Adobe gives these academic discounts for students in the design field and I am sure the idea is the same as Snap-On, Mac, or Matco. Hopefully, they get you set up early on using their "tools" and you would continue to do so for the rest of your career.

it's like drugs, first hit is always free(or close to that)


I just bought AutoDesk Product Design Suite Ult, 3D CAD software, MSRP is $9,999, I paid $150 with my student discount.
 

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Who cares? Not me.
I can hand my Snappy dealer a perfectly good tool and he'll warranty it for me.
He shows up once a week, and will order anything I need.
I don't have time to fool around with tools.
 
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You've never seen a Craftsman half off sale?

Exactly :beer:


Clearly they don't know how much markup is on most things they buy. But it's big bad Snapon, and they should be giving me this stuff for free. How dare they be a profitable American company.
 

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Tool brand's are like anything else, Preference!! My favorite Beer is coors light and my buddies give me hell because they like Bud and Miller light.

Sounds like you and your buddies need to get a better taste in beer!

Try local microbreweries. Many liquor stores that are worth a damn now carry products from such vendors on tap, and sell it by the growler. Stouts, ales, lagers, weissbiers, IPAs, etc etc are all available. Most are 4-10% ABV. The ones that are 8-10%+ will knock your socks off in short order!

Or if you are anywhere near Pottsville, PA, just ask for a Yuengling.
 

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Who cares? Not me.
I can hand my Snappy dealer a perfectly good tool and he'll warranty it for me.
He shows up once a week, and will order anything I need.
I don't have time to fool around with tools.

Why would you hand him a perfectly good tool? and why would you want to wait a week?
I can take my Sears tools and PA (same as harbour freight) tools and do the same thing, no questions asked and I don't have to wait a week.

They all break at the same rate unless you abuse or misuse them.

I pay less then half of snappy prices.

I do have some snap on stuff but it was all bought used and apparently there is no warranty on that stuff.

Explain to me why snap on is better?
 

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If it has too be explained then you wouldn't get it anyways. You get what you pay for. By reading your post your not a tech. The quality of snap on overrides those brand you mentioned 100 to 1 at least I think.
 

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If theres one thing I've learnt about SO posts...best to just shutup and not say a word..because Mopar01 said it best...if it has to be explained....
Reminds me of those jeep stickers I've seen "Its a Jeep thing, you wouldn't understand"..there should be a "Its a Good Tool Thing, you wouldn't understand" sticker out there..

http://www.troll.me/images/facepalm-picard/not-this-****-again.jpg
 

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LOL Since this states old Snap Ons will out last the new ones.

Still on the serious side, for many the tools may look high priced for the top brands. But in business you do not buy what does not make you money. For many of our tools we do not use Snap on. We find Wright, Proto and some Craftsman work best, especially in farm machines tool boxes. For what we pay the value is right. It was also right for the Snap on, Cornwell, we have.

Take the day a combine went down. I was handed an elcheapo impact that did not even budge anything. A two hour drive to the shop and back to get something that worked. 300 bushel an acre corn, rain - snow coming, the machine in question filled its 300 bushel hopper every 10 - 15 minutes. Cheap was not a bargain that day even with corn at $3 a bushel then. So it is the business decisions like that drive the price paid.

That did not include the damage when a mower conditioner hit the damm piece of junk about 2 years later. I had pitched elcheapo about 100 yards into the alfalfa field in a slightly frustrated mood. I think that elcheapo cost me enough to buy a gross of Snap on impacts or more.

This is exactly why I buy my tools from old farm auction. Farmers do not care about the warranty. they do not want it breaking when they need it.
 

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Who cares? Not me.
I can hand my Snappy dealer a perfectly good tool and he'll warranty it for me.
He shows up once a week, and will order anything I need.
I don't have time to fool around with tools.


Yeah but you got the time to wait for them to show up... oxy *****...... hilarious!
 

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snip you don't get respect or taken seriously without a top of the line toolbox in the shop , it's all showbiz
snip

That is the biggest factor I have seen in my work. If you are not a SnapOn guy then you must not care about your tools mentality.
I have very few SnapOn tools. For me it is not worth the cost. That is what it comes down to. It the cost worth it for you?
90% of my hand tools are Williams or 40 year old craftsman. Never had one fail me. Metric? Hardly anything at all
I rebuild old vehicles. Bring me something newer than 1974 and I will tell you no.

I stay busy enough I can turn away work. Then again. It is not how I make my living. It is what I enjoy.
 

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Yeah but you got the time to wait for them to show up... oxy *****...... hilarious!

And you don't understand. I don't have time to drive over to Sears on my lunch break, or after work, and I won't on the weekend, just to argue with the idiot behind the count and get handed a cruddy made in the PRC. That's assuming they will have it in stock, or even still be able to get it. No thanks.
 

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Try local microbreweries. Many liquor stores that are worth a damn now carry products from such vendors on tap, and sell it by the growler. Stouts, ales, lagers, weissbiers, IPAs, etc etc are all available. Most are 4-10% ABV. The ones that are 8-10%+ will knock your socks off in short order!
I am NOT a connoisseur of beer/ale/stout. I like my beer cold and "light", although I do drink MGD. (I drink about 6-12 bottle/glasses per month)

I ABSOLUTELY HATE IPAs and beer with a lot of hops !! Taste like eating dandelions !!!

Or if you are anywhere near Pottsville, PA, just ask for a Yuengling.
I have had it, I like it. It is not available in MI.
 
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