The VISES of Garage Journal
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Lol yep. My boys idea
I laughed a lil, until I focused in and noticed that was not a bic lighter but a Coke can in the pic for size reference
EOC_Jason
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Union Tools bought all of Parker's existing inventory. So while some new parts were cast they were often matched up to existing inventory. Still cool though...
I laughed a lil, until I focused in and noticed that was not a bic lighter but a Coke can in the pic for size reference
$30 bucks and she's yours.
kenfain
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$30 bucks and she's yours.
Heck, that's less than what the chiropractor gonna charge, when you move that thing. What's it weigh?
$30 bucks and she's yours.
Tease!
EDITED: That vise almost weighs twice me... there's no way I could move it in one piece
Tease!
Oh I wasn't teasing, I'll sell you that Coke for $30 bucks, no problem.
That vise almost weighs twice me... there's no way I could move it in one piece
Yeah it went from the tailgate, straight to the top of an old roll-around safe I have that was almost exactly the same height as the tailgate (thank God). Then it was hoisted up with a come-a-long, pushed my wheeled metal bench under it and lowered her back down.
I'm 6'2" and weigh about as much as the vise, but **** trying to move that around any more than I need to
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The elevated area around the holes on the side tell me it was most likely made as a swivel, but perhaps the original swivel base was lost and it got replaced with this.
The round design also lends to a swivel, instead of having the overhang front design to catch the edge of the work bench.
It does look like a very good match up, but why the ears with bolt hole on the upper section?
That's something I've seen before - such as on my 6" Parker from the Union period. I'm assuming (don't know for sure) it was their way to add an option to the buyer to "convert" a swivel to a stationary base, probably more as a marketing ploy to snag anti-swivel guys that look at the two swivel locks as a weak point. That'd be my best guess. Below is my pre-rebuilt 6" Parker which you can see the same thing.
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alinc100
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Found this at a Thursday Estate Sale. I bought a few other things at asking price and got this vise knocked down to $40 from the $50 asking price.I was afraid to wait until half-off Saturday figuring it was long gone.
From what I have read here on the vise thread I think I have a Wilton 450N made in 01/79.
It moves quite freely and appears to be in good shape.I am not sure if I want to sandblast and paint or just leave it as is .
Any info would be great.
Thanks,
Andy
From what I have read here on the vise thread I think I have a Wilton 450N made in 01/79.
It moves quite freely and appears to be in good shape.I am not sure if I want to sandblast and paint or just leave it as is .
Any info would be great.
Thanks,
Andy
EOC_Jason
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They can be halfway manageable if you remove the slide out all the way, then you have approx half the weight to man handle.
But yeah, forklifts are great for moving large vises too...
jakemac
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Tease!
EDITED: That vise almost weighs twice me... there's no way I could move it in one piece
When there's a will, there's a weight.
balane
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60 Pound Hollands No. 24 with 4" jaws. Manufactured in 1949. I'm not real happy with the color but my camera doesn't capture it well, plus it's not quite as silly with indoor lighting. (I just grab a can of paint from a huge box of spray paint I bought at a garage sale a few years back. Like 75+ full rattle cans for $20 at the time.) It does work very well and I like 360 degree swivels. This is absolutely the beefiest 4" vise I've ever seen. Like most every old vise we find, this one was nastier than a skunk's *** when I brought it home.
EDIT: Again, thank you Nick for the rubber washers. I have two left. I do curse when I try to put them on though.
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EDIT: Again, thank you Nick for the rubber washers. I have two left. I do curse when I try to put them on though.
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CecilTheTurtle
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Other than that it a 3" Parker, not much. I haven't weighed it, but it's probably 30 lbs or so. Not super heavy but good enough for a bench top vise. Goes nicely with my early 1900s Parker 273. Got an early and a late Parker, now.
I'm pretty sure it was an original swivel vise. I've seen that odd bolt hole in the back on a lot of the Parkers, esp. from this era. I think EOC is right, that it was just slapped together from leftover parts that Union got from Parker when they bought them out. If you follow the link I posted earlier you can see that Catamount's vise is pretty much exactly the same.
CecilTheTurtle
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Might also have been a cost-saving move by Union. Only have to make one casting for both the stationary and swivel versions.
Jason - Yeah they are, but the move to the safe was easy. It stayed there through all the wire wheeling, lube, painting, etc. Problem was, I didn't have any way to clamp it down to the safe to pull out the slide, had little room to flip it on it's side to do it, plus didn't want to tear the **** out of the paint job I just did =P The method I used worked alright, just a little time consuming.
Balane - Selling that one too, I take it? Whatcha' asking for it?
EDIT: Nevermind, found the CL ad
Cecil - Definitely a possibility and more than likely on any of the above thoughts. Though the cost-saving idea by a single cast seems a bit more unlikely (though not at all impossible) to me. A stationary vise almost always has that lip on the front to hug the front of the bench it's going to be mounted on. I could be wrong - but any time I see that circle-style bottom on a vise and it doesn't have a swivel - I automatically assume it's incomplete.
I still love that little Parker bro, nice score!
Balane - Selling that one too, I take it? Whatcha' asking for it?
EDIT: Nevermind, found the CL ad
Cecil - Definitely a possibility and more than likely on any of the above thoughts. Though the cost-saving idea by a single cast seems a bit more unlikely (though not at all impossible) to me. A stationary vise almost always has that lip on the front to hug the front of the bench it's going to be mounted on. I could be wrong - but any time I see that circle-style bottom on a vise and it doesn't have a swivel - I automatically assume it's incomplete.
I still love that little Parker bro, nice score!
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va.grouseman
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Anybody see the little Massey Harris Nikon that sold on E-bay today for $361.97? Was wondering if that is the same Massey Harris that made tractors? I have a horse drawn mowing machine that was made by them. I never heard of them making vises. I got my doubts about it being the same company. Any one know?
va.grouseman
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/231048881762?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649
Here's the link to the Massey Harris.
Here's the link to the Massey Harris.
wrenchguy
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I would say it was made by the company that made m-h castings for their equipment. If the foundry was part of m-h idon't know. The vise had the m-h logo on it and may have been made for one of the m-h factorys or for their dealer network by the foundry. Nikon may be something about a location in ontario. Its early last century canadian stuff. it was neat though.
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flashman
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I am going to pick this Wilton C-1 up tomorrow. Says it is missing one of the pipe jaws and needs a swivel bolt. Amy suggestions where I may get these items? Otherwise I happy with the purchase.
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sixkidsdad
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purchased Athol vise today
I found this vise a while back but was unable to purchase it until today. It was given to him from a guy that worked at the Athol manufacturing facility. He parked it on a shelf when he was a much younger man and it has sat there for decades. Never been used.
I found this vise a while back but was unable to purchase it until today. It was given to him from a guy that worked at the Athol manufacturing facility. He parked it on a shelf when he was a much younger man and it has sat there for decades. Never been used.
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jjjrmx5
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I need a little GJ love on two vices I picked up recently.
First is a red Desmond Simplex No. 350.
3.5" jaws.
Made up the way in Urbana, OH.
Works like a champ and was $22 out the door.
It's missing the pipe jaw and roll pin on the dynamic jaw.
Is this something that is sourceable from any mfgr?
Second is a 3.5" LIttco Littlestown Howe & Fory No 112.
Bought cheap but seems to have a cracked swivel/rotating base and a PO that decided to "ram that sucka" into static postition with BF bolt . LOL.
Also missing rotaing base lock and bar.
Aside from the swivel base it works perfectly.
Worth fixing, and if so, any source for parts? Reed lock and bolt set is $42, which gets it into use as is range sadly.
TIA.
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First is a red Desmond Simplex No. 350.
3.5" jaws.
Made up the way in Urbana, OH.
Works like a champ and was $22 out the door.
It's missing the pipe jaw and roll pin on the dynamic jaw.
Is this something that is sourceable from any mfgr?
Second is a 3.5" LIttco Littlestown Howe & Fory No 112.
Bought cheap but seems to have a cracked swivel/rotating base and a PO that decided to "ram that sucka" into static postition with BF bolt . LOL.
Also missing rotaing base lock and bar.
Aside from the swivel base it works perfectly.
Worth fixing, and if so, any source for parts? Reed lock and bolt set is $42, which gets it into use as is range sadly.
TIA.
Pics below
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Re: purchased Athol vise today
That's nice! They are so big and high, you may need a lower stand or bench to use it on. I would hate to be its 1st time user. A antique piece that's also fully functional in todays world. Nice score and on that model, costs are unimportant.
That's nice! They are so big and high, you may need a lower stand or bench to use it on. I would hate to be its 1st time user. A antique piece that's also fully functional in todays world. Nice score and on that model, costs are unimportant.
Outlawmws
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Outlawmws
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JJ not sure I'd be worried about the missing pipe jaw if it's a user, but one could be made...
The cracked base could be brazed or welded if careful.
The missing lock is simply a carriage bolt, and you can make a lock nut for it with an allthread coupler with the appropriate thread, and drill and say a 5" bolt and a jam nut for the lever.
grind the points off the head of the bolt, run it through the hole you drill in the coupler nut and seat a nut on, locking the threads up, Cut off the excess bolt threads close but not quite flush, and peen the remainder flat, grind the nut point same as the bolt head. and Bob's your Uncle.
The cracked base could be brazed or welded if careful.
The missing lock is simply a carriage bolt, and you can make a lock nut for it with an allthread coupler with the appropriate thread, and drill and say a 5" bolt and a jam nut for the lever.
grind the points off the head of the bolt, run it through the hole you drill in the coupler nut and seat a nut on, locking the threads up, Cut off the excess bolt threads close but not quite flush, and peen the remainder flat, grind the nut point same as the bolt head. and Bob's your Uncle.
About fixed and swivel bases.
Some Columbian vises, like some Parkers, were sold as fixed base vises and the same vise, with the same hole pattern was also sold as swivel vise by just adding the swivel, but the model number was changed. See in the picture below, that the fixed base vises and the swivel vises are the same vises. So it was indeed a cost saving move to cast only one type of body (fixed base) and add to it a swivel. So any vise that you see with a fixed base hole pattern but also having a swivel base was most likely sold like that by the manufacturer and not added by the owner of the vise ( although it could happen).
Some Columbian vises, like some Parkers, were sold as fixed base vises and the same vise, with the same hole pattern was also sold as swivel vise by just adding the swivel, but the model number was changed. See in the picture below, that the fixed base vises and the swivel vises are the same vises. So it was indeed a cost saving move to cast only one type of body (fixed base) and add to it a swivel. So any vise that you see with a fixed base hole pattern but also having a swivel base was most likely sold like that by the manufacturer and not added by the owner of the vise ( although it could happen).
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va.grouseman
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Re: purchased Athol vise today
Autopts is right, it's going to be a shame to be the first to take a whack at that one. What you have is a museum quality vise of the which they are never going to make any more. They are about as big a combination as you can get. There my be some more but the only one I know of is the Prentiss #184, weighs about 275 lbs. But no better quality will you find than a Starrett. What you are going to have to do is put that one back on a shelf and start searching for a used one. But the flipside is, if you don't use it, somebody is going to get a heck of a deal on a perfect vise at your estate sale.
Autopts is right, it's going to be a shame to be the first to take a whack at that one. What you have is a museum quality vise of the which they are never going to make any more. They are about as big a combination as you can get. There my be some more but the only one I know of is the Prentiss #184, weighs about 275 lbs. But no better quality will you find than a Starrett. What you are going to have to do is put that one back on a shelf and start searching for a used one. But the flipside is, if you don't use it, somebody is going to get a heck of a deal on a perfect vise at your estate sale.
wrenchguy
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Re: So when did Starret buy out Athol? 1959?
This is the 2nd Athol brochure from the same seller that been on epay in 2 weeks. On this thread, I read here it was way b4 1958 that starret bought out athol. Does anyone know 4 sure? Thanks 4 looking.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/370897017423?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
Check out the machine work on those "replaceable steels" as they call them.
This is the 2nd Athol brochure from the same seller that been on epay in 2 weeks. On this thread, I read here it was way b4 1958 that starret bought out athol. Does anyone know 4 sure? Thanks 4 looking.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/370897017423?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
Check out the machine work on those "replaceable steels" as they call them.
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sixkidsdad
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Re: purchased Athol vise today
Agreed. It's hard to imagine breaking it in. Truth is, that didn't occur to me until after I paid for it. What irony! What good is it though if all you can do is sit there and look at it? I feel like a tomb raider. Once you discover the crypt where the mummy is, do you pick up his sword and start playing around with it? Here is her new home for now
Autopts is right, it's going to be a shame to be the first to take a whack at that one. What you have is a museum quality vise of the which they are never going to make any more. They are about as big a combination as you can get. There my be some more but the only one I know of is the Prentiss #184, weighs about 275 lbs. But no better quality will you find than a Starrett. What you are going to have to do is put that one back on a shelf and start searching for a used one. But the flipside is, if you don't use it, somebody is going to get a heck of a deal on a perfect vise at your estate sale.
Agreed. It's hard to imagine breaking it in. Truth is, that didn't occur to me until after I paid for it. What irony! What good is it though if all you can do is sit there and look at it? I feel like a tomb raider. Once you discover the crypt where the mummy is, do you pick up his sword and start playing around with it? Here is her new home for now
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And there goes another one with the mounting tabs! Kinda supports the Idea of 1 mold.
Re: purchased Athol vise today
I have a couple of stored vises in my garage. Humidity is a killer, If you are going to store it a while, drench it down wth oil, penetrating oil, WD40, Deep Creep, anything you can get your hands in. I would also take the base off and cover the inside of that base also and the bottom. Throw some anti-seize on the thread of that bolt and it will be good for another 50 years
Agreed. It's hard to imagine breaking it in. Truth is, that didn't occur to me until after I paid for it. What irony! What good is it though if all you can do is sit there and look at it? I feel like a tomb raider. Once you discover the crypt where the mummy is, do you pick up his sword and start playing around with it? Here is her new home for now
I have a couple of stored vises in my garage. Humidity is a killer, If you are going to store it a while, drench it down wth oil, penetrating oil, WD40, Deep Creep, anything you can get your hands in. I would also take the base off and cover the inside of that base also and the bottom. Throw some anti-seize on the thread of that bolt and it will be good for another 50 years
va.grouseman
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Originally posted by Sixkidsdad
What good is it though if all you can do is sit there and look at it?
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Bragging rights baby, bragging rights! You can pick you up a good work horse anywhere. Craigslist, E-bay, yard sales, estate sales are full of them. It's hard to find discontinued NOS of any kind these days, but especially vises that size. Most large vises are beat to death for 2 reasons. #1. They were made to be treated rough by rough people in rough places. #2. Most big vises were company owned not personally owned. So extra liberties were taken with them. That's why so many of them are wheels, bumpers, and drive shafts now. But you lucky dog, it's yours, you gotta make the call. If it comes down to it, flip a quarter.
What good is it though if all you can do is sit there and look at it?
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Bragging rights baby, bragging rights! You can pick you up a good work horse anywhere. Craigslist, E-bay, yard sales, estate sales are full of them. It's hard to find discontinued NOS of any kind these days, but especially vises that size. Most large vises are beat to death for 2 reasons. #1. They were made to be treated rough by rough people in rough places. #2. Most big vises were company owned not personally owned. So extra liberties were taken with them. That's why so many of them are wheels, bumpers, and drive shafts now. But you lucky dog, it's yours, you gotta make the call. If it comes down to it, flip a quarter.
EOC_Jason
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You can probably get them direct from Wilton, I've also seen them pop up on eBay from time to time, or you can check out http://wiltonviseparts.net/ for some that are made by a GJ member here. Though the pipe jaws might require some modifications on your part....
I can't really tell from the blurry pictures if yours is the clip on style or the ones with the pins through them. There are at least two different mounting methods so make sure you find one that is the same as yours.
bl00
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Check out this fantastic Reed 108 refurb 
. He has more pics on his site here: http://www.danielmfgfab.com/
. He has more pics on his site here: http://www.danielmfgfab.com/Attachments
bigcaddy
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That Reed certainly grabs your attention!!
Here is a partial submission for today. I've got a few more completed vises in the wings and pictures are coming later today. I've been busy lately and out of town for some time so its taken a while to get back into the swing of things.
I went to one estate/garage sale this morning and before the sale started, i spoke with the son of the deceased and learned that his dad was a tool/die maker
I bought a large portion of his machine tools and was hemming/hawing over the price of the bench vise since it had some damage on the rear half. I guess for $10.00 i really couldn't get too upset
The original label is hard to read since its partially missing. Any ideas on a maker?
Here is a partial submission for today. I've got a few more completed vises in the wings and pictures are coming later today. I've been busy lately and out of town for some time so its taken a while to get back into the swing of things.
I went to one estate/garage sale this morning and before the sale started, i spoke with the son of the deceased and learned that his dad was a tool/die maker
I bought a large portion of his machine tools and was hemming/hawing over the price of the bench vise since it had some damage on the rear half. I guess for $10.00 i really couldn't get too upset
The original label is hard to read since its partially missing. Any ideas on a maker?
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bigcaddy
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Here is the second half of my post from above. While digging in the toolboxes, i found a couple of pictures of something i'm guess the old man had fabricated for a customer? They look like some kind of articulated jaws for holding odd shaped objects, similar to a swiveling rear jaw vise
I figured all of the vise geeks on here wouldn't shy away from some interesting vise ****
I figured all of the vise geeks on here wouldn't shy away from some interesting vise ****
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Radio Ron w4ron
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Check out this fantastic Reed 108 refurb
That's too purdy to use.
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