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Outlawmws

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OK, it’s been a month and I've barely had a chance to touch this puppy. (Life…)


I picked this guy up off Craig’s List for “scrap price” (the PO’s words when I picked it up.) He’d picked it up on a “You want a drill press? Come get this thing out of my rental property” deal, and as he already had a fairly new Summit Drill press near this size, he decided to just sell it fast to get the space in his shop back....

So it was priced at $125, and that’s what I gave the man. And happy to do so!

The bad: The motor is, for this DP; junk (1/3 hp….) and the 8 sheave pulley is missing. (I’m guessing the original motor was 3 phase, and the shaft was larger than the shaft on this motor so it got left off…). Other than that, it just needs a major cleanup/refurb! I have a couple other things I want to do on it. but more on that later:

The good? It’s a Canedy Otto (Pre 1949/Cincinnati era) Royal 18, VERY heavy (406 lbs w/Motor according to the Manual) 5-3/4”: stroke > 9” throat (18” dp…), it has a table crank, the head housing has crank capability, (which I want to make functional, I need a crank/Shaft, worm gear set, with a smaller drive gear for the rack gear also needed…)

Here is the Ad pics and language from CL:
Drill Press - $125
Drill press for sale in ***. If interested, call *** for information about it at **-***-xxxx

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And what I took when I got home:

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For the history buffs, some Canedy-Otto History:

From http://vintagemachinery.org

Canedy & Edwards was established by William Eaton Canedy in 1889 when he moved his firm, the Minnesota Anvil & Vice Co. to Downers Grove, IL and took William H. Edwards as a partner. The business began in Rochester, Minnesota, but had moved to the Chicago area by 1889. By 1894, Albert T. Otto had joined the firm, the company name had changed to Canedy-Otto Manufacturing Co. and they had moved again to Chicago Heights, IL.

The company was dissolved in 1942, but was then revived for a time, perhaps as part of the war effort. In 1949 the company was sold at public auction and was acquired by Cincinnati Lathe & Tool Co. and operated as the "Canedy-Otto Division" of that firm. This division reportedly lasted until 1956, but at least some of the Canedy-Otto product line continued under the "Cincinnati Lathe & Tool Co." name.

In their earlier days Canedy-Otto primarily made blacksmithing equipment, such as post drills, tire shrinkers and blowers. In later years they made heavy-duty drill presses, plus they made a combination machine for working wood and metal.
The remnants of my Name plate map to the Pre-Cincinattii era, and so does the S/N as it is low and close to another known example of an earlier Candy Auto DP.


The Table is also a plus! Not a hint of an arc of shame, as some bright boy made up a 1” plate, drilled and tapped it, and it was bolted on from the bottom and THAT has the only Arc of shame!. (When I got the DP, the plate had been flipped over and looked clean…)

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The front name plate after the Orange paint was removed:

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And a sample of a similar plate; you can just see the ghost of the art on my plate, and the color is a match (It looks different in the pics, as I had to lighten one for visibility...).

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The start of the strip down.
I took the 1/3 HP motor off and the motor mounting plate. I also got the Chuck and Arbor off, as well. The chuck action was not happening but it actually freed right up with some lube. It still needs a complete disassembly and detailing however.

I guestimated the weight of the remaining head at about 100 Lbs, and I wasn’t far off. But the expectation that my son and I could get a hold of the head and lift it off wasn’t realistic at all! We got to here, working it slow. But 100 + lbs at head level was not my idea of fun, so we did some rigging and I broke out a small chain fall I have, and we finished the lift off with that.

This was how far we had gotten when I stopped us and did the rigging. After getting it on the ground, we kept moving the holding collar up as we went a fractio of an inch at a time... I was glad we had:

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Here is the head on its way to the ground:

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I weighed it after it was on the ground: a bit over 112 lbs…

That’s as far as I had time for today, but the table lift crank housing and the post should come off easily.

I want to see if I can find a 6’ post as I don’t like the working height with only the stock 5’ post. 3-1/2” OD is what I need; might not be easy to find around here, not that many steel supply houses around anymore these days…

I also need to do some digging for the gears and gear rack for the head. The Rack will probably be the easiest piece…

This will be a slow process; I don’t have a lot of time to spare for the project right now, and in two weeks I lose an entire weekend…
 

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Great old drill press Outlaw! Looking forward to seeing how it cleans up for you. Are you in for a repaint? Color?
 
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Yep, complete re-furb. not going with factory paint, even if I could find what that was. Mostly deep or near navy blue, "Arrest me red" in places, and probably white highlights.

Yep, going red white and blue, just not too blatantly...
 

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Looks just like mine! Yours I believe, is older. I'm waiting until I get the garage built before I do a complete tear down of mine. In the mean time, I'll get all the bugs worked out of it and drill some holes...

Keep posting your progress! Looking good so far!


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"Arrest Me Red" is a necessity on almost everything...:bounce::bounce::bounce:

But one must assure that it doesn't clash!!!:scared::scared::scared:

One mustn't clash...:wtf::wtf:

One must blend...:rocker::rocker::rocker:

One must slide into balance!!!:D:D:D
 

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Gym? We don't need no stinking gym! We get our workout in the shop.

Sweet project! And great stroke of luck on that clean table. :thumbup:

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Looks good Outlaw! It looks like the Boston Gear catalog will be bedtime reading for a while. :lol:

Thanks Guys!

And Prov. It already was! I have three pages copied, and I'm pretty sure I can get all stock gears and reproduce the table crank in the head! I even already have a wheel style hand crank that will do for the crank. it's not the same style but it is very doable and has the exact same crank throw distance. :thumb up:

Now to line up a supplier... (In a prior life I could probably have gotten "samples" for "test"... :evil: )
 
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OK I just spent $87, about half on Amazon and half on Eprey, for a worm and worm gear, and an 18" gear rack and spur gear. That's about 1/2 where I was at list prices...

I'll need to open one gear up to .625 and get the spur and worm gears linked up solid, but once complete and on 1/2" and 5/8" shafts, I'll have the head and table on lifts!

Pics after they arrive.
 

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Can you post a parts list on what you got? I'm thinking about doing the same thing for my table... The head casting isn't set up for it though...


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I sure can, along with my sources who may have more of the same:

CAUTION, These are the raw parts, and some added work may/will be needed:

Boston Gear Catalog: (Ref)
http://www.altraliterature.com/pdfs/P-1930-BG%20Full%20LR.pdf


All the gears are 12 DP and 14.5 Degree Pressure Angle,

Gear Rack: The stock one measures .473 in thickness. Not sure how much slop the gear engagement has, but the off the shelf racks are .500 - you may need to take off as much as .027 to fit. If needed I'm planning on getting someone with a surface grinder to take it off the back side.

Stock length from Canedy is 18" I'd go at least 2' if not 3 for the table, This would give you full height range on the table

Specs: .750 (3/4") wide. 18" long (Stock from Canedy), 12 DP (Diamatral pitch) 14.5 Degree Pressure Angle.

Boston Catalog Number: L514-4 - Item Code; 12750 - 4 ft long Page 37
Martin P/N RA12X4 ?? (that is what the Seller claimed)

I bought the latter: Ebay # 261389380211 he had more; check his other sales and again for the table I suggest a longer piece... Make sure you get the right pitch/thickness and/or length you want...


Spur Gear: This needs to be coupled to the Worm gear in a "cluster" of 2. The worm drives the worm gear, which drives this spur gear which engages the rack. Both "float" on the 5/8 shaft. Spacers will be required to get alignment right in the housing...

12 Pitch, 0.625" Bore, 1.500" OD, 0.750" Face Width, 16 Teeth, has a hub projection of .500, and that projection is .980 Dia. This one is shown with with a keyway/Setscrew by Amazon, but that is not needed and does not map to the Boston P/N....

Boston Gear P/N Boston Gear ND16B (Plain) Page 24
Boston Gear P/N Boston Gear ND16B-5/8 (Keyway & Setscrew)
Amazon link:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000LEWS96/ref=ox_sc_act_title_7?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Worm gear: This one has to be coupled to the spur gear as noted above. It also has a .500 bore and it needs to be .625. bore it out and done, OR get them coupled, bore BOTH @ .750 and sleeve with a bronze bushing to .625. I may go this route:

Bore= .500; Pitch Dia = 2.500, Face (gear face width) =.50; .62 Hub projection, @ .99 Dia on the hub (overall width: 1.12), 12DP 30 teeth.

Boston Gear PN: G1051RH in cast iron: GB1051RH In Bronze. Page 92

Both Amazon and Eprey had it in bronze, but Pricey... Only Eprey had it in CI: 7 more available: # 300860483806


Worm (driver for the Worm Gear): This one drives the worm gear, and goes on the 1/2" shaft; and you need to get a hand crank to drive it. I have a 6" Diameter handcrank/Wheel which has the exact same throw as the simple hand crank from the factory...

You will also need a way to anchor this worm to the .500 shaft as it is the driver. Factory uses a set screw into a pocket in the shaft.

Un-hardened Steel. Bore = .500, Face = 1.125 + .38 Hub Proj, and .75 Dia Hub. 12DP, Pitch Diameter = 1.000,

Boston Gear Catalog No. = GH1056RH Page 92
Amazon link:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004N63518/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

While all the parts are available, this is NOT a bolt in. you will have some mods to do.

You also need a 1/2" drive shaft and a 5/8" idler shaft for the Spur/Worm gear cluster.

Enjoy!
 
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Outlaw;
I have my Father's 5 speed Royal...... we've had for over 60 years same motor and switch

I cut the spindle and welded a #2 Morse extension socket to it, then machined it to fit the lower bearing......
it takes seconds to change from a 1/4" Jacobs Ball Bearing "Super Chuck" to a 5/16",1/2" or 5/8" Albrecht or 3/4" Jacobs "Super Chuck"

you might want to do the same:thumbup:

its too handy to be able to change chucks
 
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Thanks, but I already can: It has a #3 Morse and already uses an adapter for the original chuck.

I have several other chucks as well, just need the right adapters...
 
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Well that was fast: The 2 gears from Amazon are here already!

Pics when they are all here, and I have the old gearing cleaned up, probably this weekend.
 
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Thanks Outlaw! Sounds like a great project for me. I'm looking forward to seeing your pics!


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Took my drill press apart and moved it into the garage today along with the lathe... Took me and my Nieghbor most of the afternoon. Going to start the refurb on both... Any progress on yours Outlaw?
 
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Mine is completely apart, but I've not been able to devote time to it. now that he Idaho estate is for the most part closed, I think its moving up the list.

I still want to get the post 12" taller though, and have had no luck there.
 

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I hear ya. It's been a long time coming for me also. I've got to put together an electrolysis tank and finish disassembly. Will be doing the South Bend 9" lathe at the same time... Taller posts are made of unobtainium... Best of luck!


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I hear ya. It's been a long time coming for me also. I've got to put together an electrolysis tank and finish disassembly. Will be doing the South Bend 9" lathe at the same time... Taller posts are made of unobtainium... Best of luck!


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Not really; 3-1/2" tubing will do the trick, but the local materials suppliers are not easy to deal with like they were even 20 years ago, and many are now gone...
 

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Will you be able to get it thick enough? My post looks to be at least a 1/4" thick wall...


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Dumb Suggestion # 5,409----

If you have any well/well drilling supply houses around...oil or gas or water...

I'll bet they might have some of your pipe...

Maybe even at a scrap price...for such a short piece...
 
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I just picked up a Royal 18. 6spd floor model. Some penetrating spray, everything functions. I got lucky.
 

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Wow, those are beasts! Good luck on the restore this will be fun to watch. How exactly does one get something this big home?
 
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Wow, those are beasts! Good luck on the restore this will be fun to watch. How exactly does one get something this big home?

I got mine home in a mini van: laid my piano dolly at the back, leaned the DP head over and onto the dolly. lifted the base and rolled it in. (admittedly this took two of us...)

Reverse to unload. I've done this trick a number of times for different things.
 
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Not yet, It's still in pieces around the garage. I am trying to get back to it though...

Like my delta Rockwell, I wonder who will procrastinate longer... :lol_hitti:

On the real, I'd love to see this bad mofo come together!
 

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I have a chance of buying one of these for $150. Debating still...
 

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Debating on what? It'd have to be pretty sad to pass.

Debating on what I need to throw out or what can be bolted to the ceiling cuz I have no more room on the garage floor. I guess it could make an interesting conversation peace in the bedroom where my wife does all the talking :eek:.
 
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