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The fellow that has that 109, also has the world's largest stash of 5198's!!!:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:


He uses three 5198's to counterbalance his workbench, which has the 109 on the other end...:shocking::shocking:


It's a Communist Plot, I tell you-------:lol_hitti
 
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Here's my Columbian. It's got two numbers on it. One says "No 506" The "No." is cast in and then 506 is stamped. Then there's a 547 cast in another area.

I need to find some jaws for it. It looks like the are a Tee shape that slide in. There looks like three pins or something under the jaws but I cant tell how they would work. it doesn't look like they go through to the top. Any input???????
 
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I need to find some jaws for it. It looks like the are a Tee shape that slide in. There looks like three pins or something under the jaws but I cant tell how they would work. it doesn't look like they go through to the top. Any input???????

Look here for your jaws. They are pinned in with soft pins. I would be surprised if the new jaws would match where the original holes are in your vise. If you do happen to purchase these jaws please post a picture of how they fit.

http://www.viseparts.com/category_s/71.htm
 

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Here's a couple Reed 109 pics. They were from a craigslist posting a year or two ago in NC. If I recall correctly it was $350 and no I didn't get it.

WTF are you serious?!?!?! If you are jacking with us I will cut you! It's not nice to tease!

Why on earth didn't you buy it? Even if you didn't keep it you could of pretty much re-sold it at a name-your-price.... :(

Heck if I knew about it I would of driven the thousand miles or so to get it!

I haven't been around much last few days, but I heard "Reed 109" on the wind and had to come look. :drool::drool::drool:

I would of bought the 109 for $350 in a heartbeat! Paid $400 for my 208! :thumbup:
 

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B100! N.C. is my back yard. Call me collect next time. I'll cover the call and a hefty finders fee. You know if a G.J. member owns that now, they're probably afraid to share. Posting and boasting could cause some member to commit a mortal crime.
Where are you 209? I know you're out there. Come to papa.
 

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OK, I found the jaws for this Columbian (506 M ?) on vise parts.com but they are $132.00. I don't want to spend more than the vise is worth. Is this vise worth restoring?
 
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Not trying to be sarcastic, but---


If it's worth restoring to you, for your use, then it is...


If you're planning on selling it, then not so much....


Let the next owner restore it...for his use...


That's part of the fun with this vise vice...


Like searching for 109/209's, and 5198's....


With a nod to Wayne Carini----"It's all about the chase..."
 
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They're big, and they can't be found. They're the Sasquatch of the vise world. Everyone knows it's out there, but no-one can prove it.
 

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The Reed 109/209 are just big-*** vises, beefy and simple design.

The Craftsman 5198 vise is a 5" wide jaw; another simple design vise but with fancy design. These vises are appears to be extremely rare and they look awesome! If you like art deco era stuff, you will like the vise!
What's special about 109s, 209s and 5198s?
 

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What's special about 109s, 209s and 5198s?

Extremely rare, even by ******** vise collector standards. I don't think anyone has even been able to find a picture of a Reed 209 or a Craftsman 5198.

A 109 is a non-swivel base, which some prefer, but a slight majority tend to favor the swivel base, which is what the 209 is. In Reed (and a few other manufacturer's numbering system) the first number (example 109) states what style of vise it is... 1 = stationary base. 2 = swivel base. 4 = the static jaw swivels, etc. So a 203 would be a 2 (swivel base) 3" wide vise. 106 would be a 1 = non swivel base and 6" wide faces.

The last number (109) again is the width in inches of the jaws. For whatever reason, some people will occasionally list a vise they have for sale as "7.5 inches" when what they're trying to say, is that the vise opens 7.5" wide... But that's not the "standard" way of measuring a vise - you go by the width of the jaws. Jaws are 4" wide? Than it's "a 4 inch vise". A 9" wide jaw is the widest (at least that anyone is a where of, as far as I know) is the widest jaws any of the vintage US made vise companies ever made. They were the biggest, baddest pieces of old school American iron ever made. And there seem to have only been a couple ever produced.

6" wide old American made vises aren't too uncommon, but definitely something you'll need to do some hunting for locally to find one. 7 and 8"'ers are very hard to find. It'd be fair to say that it's one of those things in life that just because you have the money, doesn't mean you can buy it when you want. They don't show up for sale very often at all. A 9"? That's the holy grail for some of us vise guys. Like I said before - a 209... I don't even think a picture exists of one. I've seen a couple pics of a few different 109's.

If you found a Reed 209 in good condition and you wanted to sell it, you could fetch a pretty stupid-high price.

A Craftsman 5198 is a 5" wide vise. What's so special about a mid-sized vise? They hardly made any of them. Like, seriously can't-even-find-a-picture-of-one rare. Columbian (and I think Rock Island too, correct me if I'm wrong guys) made vises for Craftsman at different times. Finding a Craftsman 5198 is every bit as much a hunt for some as a Reed 209 is for others. :beer:
 
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The Craftsman 51XX series vises were made by Columbian for Sears from the late 40's until the late 50's...

There are no, repeat, NO photos of a 5198 anywhere on the internet!!!

The 4 1/2" 5197 comes up every once in awhile, and the smaller versions seem to show up fairly often...

The red vise in the photo is a 5196 (4") that was properly restored by a GJ member...

They are out there, and, sooner or later, one will be found...

As for the 209------maybe....I suspect there were more 5198's made than 209's....and we can't find either...

The search continues....
 

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I like your trike!!!:drool::drool::drool:

Not too shabby a scooter, you've got there...

Us old men like trikes...

That way we don't fall over at stop signs...:lol_hitti
 
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I was never really a trike guy but not having to put your feet down at lights gets real convenient and they grow on ya. Plus you can at least scoot to the local store and be able to say you rode everyday of the year when your buddies can't because of snow.
 

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The Craftsman 51XX series vises were made by Columbian for Sears from the late 40's until the late 50's...

There are no, repeat, NO photos of a 5198 anywhere on the internet!!!

I thought the Columbian craftsmans had 506-than a number? ?Thanks for the correction!

The Craftsman vise I found in that 'treasure trove' (http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=234349) was a '506-51840' Where does that fall in line with the 5197/8 series? Before/after? It had the same front end style.

The explanation I gave of the vises laid out in the pick is a bit confusing. The Craftsman I'm talking about is the upper-most vise behind the anvil.
 
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The Craftsman vise I found in that 'treasure trove' was a '506-51840' Where does that fall in line with the 5197/8 series? Before/after? It had the same front end style.


The 5184 was made "after" the 519X series...

See the two attached catalog pages...

(The easiest ways to tell them apart are the lack of "arrows" on the 519X, and the oiler hole in the earlier vises... The later 518X series flat sides on the dynamic jaw, as opposed to "rounded" on the earlier series... And the generally "beefier" appearance of the 519X series... Towards the end of the 519X production run, the weights went up from 95 for a 5198 to 107lb...With comparable increases in the smaller vises....A 107 lb five inch vise is a stout beastie...)
 

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The 5184 was made "after" the 519X series...

See the two attached catalog pages...

(The easiest ways to tell them apart are the lack of "arrows" on the 519X, and the oiler hole in the earlier vises... The later 518X series flat sides on the dynamic jaw, as opposed to "rounded" on the earlier series... And the generally "beefier" appearance of the 519X series... Towards the end of the 519X production run, the weights went up from 95 for a 5198 to 107lb...With comparable increases in the smaller vises....A 107 lb five inch vise is a stout beastie...)

Very cool info, thank you! :bow:
 

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Here's my Columbian. It's got two numbers on it. One says "No 506" The "No." is cast in and then 506 is stamped. Then there's a 547 cast in another area.

I need to find some jaws for it. It looks like the are a Tee shape that slide in. There looks like three pins or something under the jaws but I cant tell how they would work. it doesn't look like they go through to the top. Any input???????

506 is the model number, not sure what the 547 is, probably a company inventory or someone was practicing with some dies.

Someone else already posted a link to the jaws for sale. The pins go all the way through, they have probably just been smoothed over the years. I would clean off the paint and see if you can find them, or if you have enough room try using a punch from the bottom.

How bad are the jaws, can you take some better pictures?
 

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Hello just thought I would show some new vises I picked up starting from left to right first is a Morgan Chicgago #80 next is a Prentiss #57 ,Athol #626 ,Reed #106,Prentiss #182 1/2 then the ones in the back are a Columbian #204 1/2 and a columbian D44

Man! look at the ball on that reed.
 

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How about this Columbian? It says 4" Jaws. How wide will it open do you think? $65.

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He also has this C. Parker with 3.5" Jaws for $35

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Both of these look like nice pieces and while they are not bargains, I don't have to restore them. I've got plenty to do restoring my vintage car. This is a tool to me and I'd like a nice one, but don't want to put a lot of time into one right now. Plus this guy will meet me on the way to St. Louis, where I have to go to pick up an old Penton Jackpiner that is at my Brother's house. He's moving so I'm getting my project bike back. More work to do :)
 
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For some reason, your pictures didn't post...

Both of those vises will do your job, so if they "float your boat", go get them...

I'm a fan of---"Bigger and heavier, is better than smaller and lighter"...

So, if it for my workbench, I'd get the big one...or both...
 

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How about this Columbian? It says 4" Jaws. How wide will it open do you think? $65.

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He also has this C. Parker with 3.5" Jaws for $35

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Take them both. The horned stationary Parker on resale might also pay for the much under rated Columbian. Providing the jaws are real nice.
 

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For some reason, your pictures didn't post...

Both of those vises will do your job, so if they "float your boat", go get them...

I'm a fan of---"Bigger and heavier, is better than smaller and lighter"...

So, if it for my workbench, I'd get the big one...or both...

Weird, I can see them. I assume your talking ably the morgan and the simplex?
 

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I'm a fan of---"Bigger and heavier, is better than smaller and lighter"...

Definitely the best option with ones first vice too. At least a big vice will cover pretty much everything asked of it, whereas a small vice would be limited. Easy enough to start specialising in various types for particular applications once the primary work horse is sorted.
 
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