Impact Wrenches... Do some hit harder than others?

[GortonsFisherman]

He obviously is, or is just a fanboy for the yellow, orange, green, or blue tools.

That, or then there's those folks that everything's always someone else's fault, or something else's, and never their own. I'm like Carl Everett on things like this, I ain't no stinkin' dinosaurs.

 

[48RON54]

I think that the swivel head reduces the torque more than the deep socket and the extension, the bigger the angle the more it reduces it.

As others have mentioned, a shorter, bigger hose, and bigger internal diameter fittings will help. Also, increasing the psi of your compressor. If it is 90 psi at the compressor, it will drop quite a bit at the wrench.

^^^ i agree, that swivel will **** a ton of torque out....try to get the job done without it in the mix (if even possible)..... I think if you can get that swivel out you will be able to do it with the impact

 

[jeff000]

It's probably broken. You can't really charge it at an improper voltage if there is only one kind of charger for it. Obviously a dead battery wouldn't do much. The full size M18 fuel impact will hang with higher end air impact, but I suspect you will be happy with the power once things are sorted out.

I know you can't charge it with an improper voltage. But trying to explain that to the counter guy is like trying to explain foresight to an infant. I have one battery that won't charge and they will not help me, but they will charge me 140$ for a new battery.
The dewalt batteries seem to just **** out once they get to a certain amount of used. But I take it to dewalt, they put it in the charger and if the light starts to fast blink they take my old battery and give me a new one.

Milwaukee won't replace my impact, they say it works fine cause they put a 1/4" lag bolt into a dry piece of lumber. They say it won't only work a little bit.....

^^^ i agree, that swivel will **** a ton of torque out....try to get the job done without it in the mix (if even possible)..... I think if you can get that swivel out you will be able to do it with the impact

I'll see if I can drill another hole and get it without the swivel.


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[IFMJohn]

Might have to try and find a used one. Damn.

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/tld/4510575420.html

$239

 

[jeff000]

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/tld/4510575420.html

$239

Find a used one for sale that ships to Canada. I found one on Amazon, but no Canada shipping. And I can't find any local.

 

[IFMJohn]

Find a used one for sale that ships to Canada. I found one on Amazon, but no Canada shipping. And I can't find any local.

Ah, yeah, IDK about that.

 

[wrenchMONKEY_]

Thinking about selling my MG725 after getting a M18 Fuel 1/2, dont ever use air anymore.

The 3/8 and 1/2 Fuel M18's are just that good.

 

[GSteg]

I have one for sale but one thing though, the MG725 is an air hog, and it's LOUD.

 

[ibedayank]

I always get new u bolts. I torqued them down last summer when I did some work. I'll angle grind them off though.




I know what I have. If it is supposed to have 1100 ft lbs, then the one I have is broken. But milwaukee service and warranty is garbage. They wouldn't replace a battery that was under a week old and wouldn't charge. Said I probably misused it or charged it at an improper voltage.

The impact driver doesn't have the power of my XRP dewalt. As it won't pull a 1.5" knock out through using a 1" socket, but my XRP will pull a 2" knock out through.
The circular saw guard catches on EVERYTHING thinner than a 2x4.
And the stupid things won't charge when it's cold out. Not that the charger likes genset power much anyways, so half the time it doesn't work anyways. These are 20 kilowatt generators to megawatt generators.

I bought a lot of the M18 fuel tools (Only one I don't have is the compact impact wrench) to replace my aging dewalt xrp li-on tools, that have been abused like crazy and still work, and when they do break I have never had an issue getting it fixed or replaced under warranty even when the last time I bought a tool or battery was 4 years ago.
So after buying such a huge amount in tools, it should be no wonder I am not happy with them after garbage service and lack luster performance.
I'll take my impact wrench in today and see what they say.




I really wanted to like the M18 tools, the battery gauge is enough for me to want to switch. And while the sawzall, angle grinder, and drill are basically the same as my dewalt but red. The impact driver just isn't up to the task like my dewalt, and the circular saw guard catching is just a huge piss off all the time.

Hammer Drills / Drill Drivers

M18 FUEL™ Drill/Drivers are pioneers in a new class of durability and performance for the professional tradesman, delivering up to 10X longer motor life, 2X more runtime and 25% more power. M18 FUEL™ Drills are the most powerful 18-volt cordless drill/drivers in their class, providing up to 725 in-lbs. of torque. These drills feature an all-metal ratcheting locking chuck for optimum grip, bit retention and durability. A new contoured soft grip gives you maximum comfort throughout a long day on the job.

http://www.milwaukeetool.com/system/m18-fuel



care to back up your claims of 1100 ft lbs of tourqe

now here is an impact that will do
Max. Torque (ft.-lbs.) 1,475
Max. Reverse Torque (ft.-lbs.) 1,475
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_452_452

Max. Reverse Torque (ft.-lbs.) 625
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_370269_370269

Max. Reverse Torque (ft.-lbs.) 1,350
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200498524_200498524

Max. Reverse Torque (ft.-lbs.) 780
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200353267_200353267

I will stick to airtools no battery to replace and airtools last for YEARS

 

[ADSR]

I will stick to airtools no battery to replace and airtools last for YEARS

I have both. But i reach for the cordless first. Much less noise than air impact/compressor and no hose.

 

[BK13]

http://www.milwaukeetool.com/system/m18-fuel



care to back up your claims of 1100 ft lbs of tourqe

Right there in your link:

http://www.milwaukeetool.com/power-tools/cordless/2763-22

Gotta compare an impact wrench, not driver.

 

[Zeroek]

Where can you get a Proto J150WP for $250?????

 

[ADSR]

Where can you get a Proto J150WP for $250?????

Email mike

http://www.trident-supply.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=proto+impact+wrench&Submit=

 

[wrenchMONKEY_]

Just sold my MG725 to jeff000, cordless for me now! Actually, still have a IR2132G if I wanna make noise.

 

[jdmstr]

I have a mastercraft impact, 1/2", and for the most part it is great, and advertises 460 ft lbs.
But working on my Jeep I have had a few bolts that my impact just wouldn't budge. And using a 2' breaker bar I can spin these bolts, but it takes a fair amount of effort for my 150lbs. Is my impact not working like it should, or at the bolts outside the range of my impact?

Would a better impact actually work better?[/QUOTE

460 ft/lbs is a good amount of torque you may not have adequate air volume coming from your air compressor to run your impact to its full potential. there will always be bigger more powerful guns on the market you could look into if yours just wont cut it.

 

[ADSR]

Just sold my MG725 to jeff000, cordless for me now! Actually, still have a IR2132G if I wanna make noise.

Nice! It wasn't a green one was it?

 

[wrenchMONKEY_]

Hah no, red.

 

[jdmstr]

I have a two stage 60 gallon porter cable with a Parker regulator.
Combination of 3/8 instrument air tubing (Electrician/Instrumentation tech in the oilfield) and 3/8 nylon hose. 1/4 into the gun though. I get 105psi at the gun, any more than that and it just exhausts it.



M18 fuel stuff is ****. That impact has nothing on my mastercraft pneumatic impact.
I have the 1/2 impact, drill and small impact for sale. My Dewalt stuff is much nicer to use.

M18 fuel is ****? news to me. i have the fuel 1/2 impact and it will break loose alot of things air tools wont.

 

[jeff000]

Hah no, red.

Thanks for the delivery too!
I'll be home in an hour I hope and give it a try.

460 ft/lbs is a good amount of torque you may not have adequate air volume coming from your air compressor to run your impact to its full potential. there will always be bigger more powerful guns on the market you could look into if yours just wont cut it.

My compressor can hold 105 psi at the tool while running. And I could still turn it up.

M18 fuel is ****? news to me. i have the fuel 1/2 impact and it will break loose alot of things air tools wont.

I don't know what to tell you. I spent a LOT of money to "upgrade" from my ageing dewalt XRP. But they just do not perform nearly as well as most people seem to talk them up. Add that to horrendous customer service and support and you get garbage.

 

[MN4x4]

Absolutely. I have the IR W7150 cordless impact that *they* claim is the equal to their industry leader 2135TiMAXX air impact. Since I got it I have never - not once - used my air impact again.

I had the opportunity to compare it to the Milwaukee Hi-Torque 1/2" impact, and the IR feels better and - IMHO - hits harder. But to be honest, not by a lot.

And just in case someone thinks I'm a Milwaukee hater, they'd be wrong. I have had most of the M28 line for years, and I also have around 20 M12 tools...including every M12 impact Milwaukee makes.

I chose the IR because I wanted the BEST...and didn't care if it meant having another battery system. If you want to keep your battery systems to a minimum and standardize on one that has a lot of excellent tools, I certainly wouldn't hesitate to buy the M18 Milwaukee.

My air tools have been removed from my box, and are making their way closer to the door to be sold. I still have a 1/2" air impact 'Just Because', and I am keeping my 3/4" Air Impact for the things on my truck that NO 1/2" impact can defeat.

Hope that helps?

 

[GirchyGirchy]

My IR 231C has gotten off everything I've asked it to except my Honda crankshaft pulley bolt. Took a breaker bar with a 5' cheater pipe to break that sum'***** loose.

My 231C was able to get the crank pulley bolt loose from my wife's Galant - once I removed the 3" extension. It must have been on the hairy edge.

 

[48RON54]

My 231C was able to get the crank pulley bolt loose from my wife's Galant - once I removed the 3" extension. It must have been on the hairy edge.

My craftsman 18V got the crank pulley bolt off a honda, but same deal. I had to charge the battery up to 100%, use the shortest socket i could find and drop the engine a little more to get it on there. It was still ugly and took 3 or 4 attempts with charging the battery inbetween and moving the engine around to get the socket to seat perfectly. I didn't bother attempting to torque it down once I put it back on.... Been a year, I guess if it grenades at some point in the future I know where to start my search lol.

 

[48RON54]

My IR 231C has gotten off everything I've asked it to except my Honda crankshaft pulley bolt. Took a breaker bar with a 5' cheater pipe to break that sum'***** loose.

I don't think there is a 1/2" gun made that would have taken that bolt off.

I was just wondering how you got it off with the breaker bar and cheater pipe? No matter what I tried I couldn't get that engine to stop turning on me. I'm sure it's a fairly simple answer and I'm just overlooking it lol.

If you are still struggling i would think about cutting the u bolts, those are cheap and easy to find. No sense burning up tons of money and time just trying to save those IMHO.

 

[stikman56]

there's just a little more "give" with an extension. it's noticeable when the impact is borderline strong enough.

Extensions add another joint that isn't tight, it moves, therefore it takes away from the impact action,....more joints, more torque lost.
Yes, there's a HUGE difference in the torque of impact wrenches. they range from about 200-1300 ft.lbs. for 1/2" guns. I never found the 30 dollar low torque guns to be any good for much of anything. They struggle with a 100 ft. lb. lug nut, if they can even take it off.

 

[stikman56]

I was just wondering how you got it off with the breaker bar and cheater pipe? No matter what I tried I couldn't get that engine to stop turning on me. I'm sure it's a fairly simple answer and I'm just overlooking it lol.

If you are still struggling i would think about cutting the u bolts, those are cheap and easy to find. No sense burning up tons of money and time just trying to save those IMHO.

Most any of the strong 1/2" impacts will do those.

 

[stikman56]

My SnapOn is a POS, and has been since new. I can do better with a breaker bar (without a cheater bar). The SnapOn has just about the same torque as my 30 year old Black and Decker.

Is the IR composite still at the top of the heap or is there something better out there now?

It's not AT the top for torque although it's way up there. Cornwell CAT4150 is a touch stronger. The Nitrocat's beat it. Probably others now as well. The AWP050 says 1260 torques,the Matco MT2769 say 1300, just got one, anxious to test it against a 1200K Nitrocat.

 

[GSteg]

The 2135TIMAX is a great gun. It was the top in its class for the longest time, but it's sort of 'outdated' so to speak. There are plenty of guns out there now with more power.

 

[MattPersman]

That Matco 2769 is just a sunex gun they charge way too much for. http://www.sunextools.com/index.cfm?s=detail&subcat=140&item=208

 

[GSteg]

That Matco 2769 is just a sunex gun they charge way too much for. http://www.sunextools.com/index.cfm?s=detail&subcat=140&item=208

The Matco 2769 looks like the IR 2135, no? The Sunex does not have forward/reverse selectors like the Matco.

 

[Skin]

The 2769 is a knock-off IR design made in Taiwan, they're claiming more break away torque than the 2135.

The 2135 rebrand is the Matco 1769A.

 

[dR_Freightliner]

I have 2x snap on MG725's and they hit pretty hard. But the hardest hitter is my 1" Snap On IM1800L impact gun and that's around 1800 ft-lbs.

 

[crewchief888]

I don't understand why an extension or deep socket would take away torque. But I have heard that a lot, and pretty sure tire shops used to use torque sticks or something, different length extensions for different torque values.

I am trying to get my leaf's off. And to even get my impact on I drilled a hole through the body under the rear bumper cap moldings, I am using a deep socket, a swivel head, and then a 6" extension. Impact does nothing but make a lot of noise. 2' breaker bar and about 80% of my 150lb max effort gets the bolt out. But after doing 1 of 4 bolts this way, I don't want to do the other 3.
The nuts on the u bolts holding my leafs to the axle are similarly tight, so that's 8 more nuts. Unless I just cut the u bolt.
I have been using penetrating oil, not really helping.

I don't mind spending a little money, if it will actually help my though.

you defintely loose "nut busting" power using an extension, the longer the extension is the worse the problem is.

with a socket and a swivel and an extension you're really fighting a loosing battle.

this is sorta the reason why you see high breakaway torque numders from "professional grade" guns. by adding swivels and extensions you may be loosing 1/2 your available breakaway power.

several things may help,
less restrictive air fittings,
higher air pressure
a better impact

i'd definitely be looking for a longer breaker bar.

as far as ubolts, if they've been on the axle for a long time, and are rusted/corroded, i'd replace them.

anytime i change a spring or axle it gets new ubolts.

 

[gearhead1]

The extension weakens the torque output because it twists and springs back with every blow of the impact wrench.

Picture yourself using a hammer and chisel. then picture the same hammer and chisel, but with a valve spring on the end of the chisel. you would be hitting just as hard, but every time you hit, the spring would be absorbing some of the impact. The extension or deep socket is the same thing, just a torsion spring instead of a coil spring.

That aside, there is a difference. I have a chicago pneumatic that beats about any other 1/2 impact. And upgrading to 1/2" hose and Industrial style quick connects for air flow makes it even better, not a huge difference, but noticeable.

Exactly. I was replacing axles on my car trailer and barely getting nuts loose with a 3/4" drive breaker bar (using it for it's longer length). I bought a 3/4" impact having higher torque than my Blue Point 1/2" and it removes the nuts right off.

http://t.harborfreight.com/34-in-professional-air-impact-wrench-68423.html

 

[durallymax]

Honestly don't get caught up in the numbers. Find out what you can afford, find out what is liked by others, compare them yourself physically if you can, then decide. 90% of the time you will not need that extra 100ft-lbs if its even that to begin with. The rest of the time you want something comfortable. I bought an MG725 because it was the biggest baddest gun. I'd rather use a 2135QTiMAX most of the time. My "**** dyno" says the IR has less power but thats because its so much smaller and quieter. It seems to perform just fine. There has been fewer times than I can count on my hand that the IR couldn't get something and the Snap On came to save the day. I really have a strong dislike for the snap-on controls.

I do like my MG325, much quieter and nicer to use, same crappy controls, but a nice gun, although I have nothing to compare it to., The IR equivalent doesn't seem well liked and its not just SO fanboys either.


As for cordless, I bit the bullet and started buying a bunch as well. Researched it a lot before buying and had a strong bias against Milwaukee because everyone loved them so much. Ended up with a bunch of M12 and M18 Fuel stuff where possible and a few things not offered in Fuel. I've been very impressed and my air stuff doesn't see as much use. The M18 Fuel Large 1/2" impact has plenty of power. Have only had it for a couple months, but I haven't run into much it can't take off that the air wrench will. They definately have the power side down, but its still a big clubby unorthodox beast compared to something like an IR 2135. I sold my air ratchets in favor of the cordless, rarely used the ratchets before because I hated using air ratchets and dealing with hoses. May sell the MG325 but don't know if I'd sell the 1/2" gun because the cordless gun is just too clumsy for some applications. I also like the abuse air tools can take being thrown around and dropped. Not sure the Milwaukee would like that as much.

Cordless is nice when you don't want to drag out the hose or air is not close by. But for extended use air is still superior. Its not a game of power really, they compete on that level. Its down to whats practical for your application. If you just need to bust a few things loose with the cordless once and awhile then its great, but if you were a heavy equipment mechanic that uses a 1/2" impact hours on end I would stick to air. 3/8" days are numbered though. The 3/8" cordless guns may not quite have the power but they are compact and nice to use all day. Especially the little M12 Fuel. Again not a powerhouse, but you don't always need bolt snapping power.

 

[MattPersman]

The Matco 2769 looks like the IR 2135, no? The Sunex does not have forward/reverse selectors like the Matco.

Man your right I swear I saw a picture at one point the guns looked the same. My bad on the wrong info. See so many damn things floating around hard to keep them straight.

 

[TOOLFREEQ]

in my opinion the mg725 is by far the best impact out there,i've tried them all over the past 28 years or so.

THIS!!! minus the 28 years experience. lol

 

[durallymax]

THIS!!! minus the 28 years experience. lol

Do you both prefer the dial you cannot turn with gloves and barely can turn with bare fingers at times?

 

[GSteg]

The control on the Snap On is horrible. I pulled out my MG725 last night and it reminded me why I have not used the gun in months. It gets worse when the seals is slightly dirty. At that point, you'll need a pair of pliers to turn the control knob.

 

[durallymax]

i find myself using a torx or pliers to turn it often as well

 

[jeff000]

you defintely loose "nut busting" power using an extension, the longer the extension is the worse the problem is.

with a socket and a swivel and an extension you're really fighting a loosing battle.

this is sorta the reason why you see high breakaway torque numders from "professional grade" guns. by adding swivels and extensions you may be loosing 1/2 your available breakaway power.

several things may help,
less restrictive air fittings,
higher air pressure
a better impact

i'd definitely be looking for a longer breaker bar.

as far as ubolts, if they've been on the axle for a long time, and are rusted/corroded, i'd replace them.

anytime i change a spring or axle it gets new ubolts.

I will be replacing the u bolts, I don't trust reusing them. But I was using them as a test of sorts since I could get to them with a normal socket right on the gun.

I know I am losing a lot of the hitting power between the swivel and the extension, but just can't get to it without, if I used 3/4 impact extensions and swivel would it help? I would be adding another joint needing to go from the 1/2" to the 3/4" though.

Do you both prefer the dial you cannot turn with gloves and barely can turn with bare fingers at times?

What dial?
Is there a dial to turn the power up? Where is it?