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taumac

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OK so my second ever Wilton vise is a Baby Bullet:
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I responded to a CL ad ,I had been to the gentleman's house before.
He is a picker and a pretty darn good one. I ended up giving him $150 and a Schwinn bike badge for the vise.
Wow, that's cool. I too think thats a high price. What would be the going price for a restored baby bullet roughly?

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S2: don't give that vise another thought because seriously you can buy them all the time for about $30 to $50. i'd pull up a bunch of Craigslist ads for you right now, but easier to just have you check Seattle's Craigslist and check for vises. there is one on there now that is King brand for $80 that he originally listed for $50 that looks a bit older than most, but still not the 70 plus year old versions when these vises were made out of much better quality steel.

other brands for that vise could be Larin, Olympia and many many other names stamped or paper badged on that vise.

Yea, I am not going to spend 175 on it.
 

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Anyone have any idea what brand this vise is? No other pictures, seller has no info. Out of town and cant go look!
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Drivesitfar is totally correct, You can buy these all day long off Craigslist, they are not made in USA, the good older ones came from Taiwan, the bad (recent) ones come from well you know: The PRC

Alltrade was the main seller of these but there were a ton of rebranded ones, all pretty much coming from the same factory in taiwan. There are variations but most are 5" and weigh around 55lbs. They are usually heavily coated in bondo under the paint job which makes a restore a potential nightmare. A good one on Craigslist usually go for around $50 and please avoid the Harbor Freight version, they're a complete joke.

Having said all that, the people who have them generally love them, they're very practical and tough if you get a good one.

I think the best one came from Palmgren (blue older ones):
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but it's almost identical to the current Yost 750-Di (ductile iron).

I have to agree on passing on that vise, they are not collector investment items and you'll certainly be able to find another one just like it but in better condition that won't need a restore like the one in your pic.

Here's GJ link giving a little more info about them:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69180
 
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picked up a columbian 404-1/2 rear swivel the pin in the swivel was missing the pin is out of my reed gonna have to turn one down, and a nice little 935 wilton neither have been abused just lots of old ugly paint will look nice restored
 

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It was quite a few years ago, by now, when a would-be 'entrepreneur' came to the 'Pulga de Sanjo', aka the San Jose Capitol flea market, with a load of Chinese-made imitation vises. They appeared to be rather ill-made, to 'put it mildly'.

A few had been dropped or otherwise mis-handled, so one could see areas where some sort of finishing-putty approx 3/8 to 1/2" thick had been used on the very rough iron castings. I don't think the grade of putty they used was anything like the usual American bondo......at a guess, it might have been a mix of tung-oil and flour or lime?????

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Given that this one has resided on a bench in Michigan for a number of years its hard to say if it originated at a FM in Cali but hey, you never know. I do know that the older gentleman that owned this vise did quite a bit if work in his garage/shop on trucks, tractors, cars etc. So he definitely used this vise over a period of years but it does not appear that he ever abused it. It moves freely without any noticeable slop, swivels and locks down ok. So now my curiosity is peaked to remove all that paint and bondo and see of there are any cracks, repairs etc. Buying this vise was sort of the price of admission to get into a shop of a guy who has fallen on bad health and has a friend selling off everything very discretely. I was definitely checked out during an initial transaction before being taken to this location. So while a bit disappointing to see the no brand vise it was still a small price of admission to pick up more stuff. And I can now return if desired to pick through more.
Thanks Carla for the history on these vises. I'm always looking to learn something new.
 

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Picked this up today. I know its been welded up but for $30 ill take my chances.
Well one of 7 pics uploaded lol. Lets try that again.
 

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I inherited this Parker No. 87 from my grandfather recently. Im assuming it was purchased by my great grandfather originally, its an old farm. It isn't in ideal condition but I like the abuse it shows. I like knowing that my elders sweat and worked this vise to make their way.

Sorry the picture is terrible. I wasn't planning on using the picture for anything at the time and just used the camera on a nexus which was close at hand.

Impressive thread by the way. Been reading the garage journal for a while and thought it was time to post a picture to contribute.

Edit: Attached a better image.

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You certainly have made it look great! I wonder if it would sell better at a Brit gathering if it were painted as close to the original color as possible?

I was curious what the original color might have been. It looks like a glossy black was painted on a long time ago.
 

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Besides Fret LIKES using muscle powered tools! :evil:

(Did that sound bad?... :lol: )

:D Warped I tell you, just warped. :D :D

It's coming together a little bit now. Needs all new screws and bolts, but started with general reassembly on some bits.

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This is a shot or two of the nut refitted, just to show how it looks once in place.

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Had to file the insert faces to get rid of some burrs and to try and get them something close to flat. The finishing on this one is quite rough. It explains why there was so much rust behind the pipe inserts when I dismantled it though. The jaw faces and inserts are a somewhat poor fit.


Switching brands, and a question for the Record chaps, does anyone have any idea on this model?

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I'm picking it up later this week. I think it's one of those which doesn't have Record actually printed on it anywhere, and the styling differs slightly from the usual which I'm accustomed to, so just wondered what the story is with this model/style.
 
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:D Warped I tell you, just warped. :D :D

Switching brands, and a question for the Record chaps, does anyone have any idea on this model?

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I'm picking it up later this week. I think it's one of those which doesn't have Record actually printed on it anywhere, and the styling differs slightly from the usual which I'm accustomed to, so just wondered what the story is with this model/style.

Fretters
Unless my eyes are in much worse shape than I thought, it looks like there is a No 3 on the right side of that vice.

Would that not make it a Number 3? :confused: :headscrat :confused: :headscrat

JKB
 

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I picked up this Reed 104R at an estate sale today. Second day of sale meant all prices were half. I got this baby for $15.

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In the 2014 garage sale thread I mentioned I just missed a 6-8" vise that was in a pile of what I think sold as pretty much scrap. The buyer paid $20 for a whole pile that included a wrought iron railing, the vise,a. Section of railroad track and two giant old household radiators. I offered him $20 for the vise but he said he wanted it. Hmmmm ....

I got this for $15 and then had to get it off of the bench. I brought tools just for cases like this. I think the reason this vise was still there was because they couldn't remove it front the bench! It was mounted with four carriage bolts. Unfortunately two of them were rusted to the nut so I had to chisel the wood away from the bottom f the bench and then use a pry bar to pull them through the top of the bench! A lot of work but worth it in the end.

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Unless my eyes are in much worse shape than I thought, it looks like there is a No 3 on the right side of that vice.

Would that not make it a Number 3? :confused: :headscrat :confused: :headscrat

JKB

It is indeed a No.3 with 4" jaws. If you look at the styling of it though, it deviates quite a bit from what I class as the usual No.3. The bracing up the front sides of the body isn't as chunky/pronounced, the shape of the base is different and there's the curvature at the rear of the body whereas they're usually straight. I haven't seen the other side of it as yet, but I'm guessing from the ones I've seen previously that Record isn't stamped/embossed anywhere on it either.

This is a photo of the No.1 I have on the bench, to show what I mean about the styling difference.

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Maybe its a Woden or a Paramo?

Paramo could be a possibility. Don't think Woden ever did one styled like that though. Just be nice to find out the background on these, 'cos as you suggest, it may not even be a Record. I'm working on that assumption merely because that's what I always see them classed as being, so it could well be a different brand.
 
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I'm baaaaaaack! Vacation was a hoot but now I've got to sort through the old iron that has been accumulating at my house while I was gone.

Here is just a start to what I've managed to buy while I was away

Craftsman 5197 in excellent shape. Needs some paint removed and the dynamic jaw collar stop adjusted:bounce:
 

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I inherited this Parker No. 87 from my grandfather recently. Im assuming it was purchased by my great grandfather originally, its an old farm. It isn't in ideal condition but I like the abuse it shows. I like knowing that my elders sweat and worked this vise to make their way.

Sorry the picture is terrible. I wasn't planning on using the picture for anything at the time and just used the camera on a nexus which was close at hand.

Impressive thread by the way. Been reading the garage journal for a while and thought it was time to post a picture to contribute.

Edit: Attached a better image.

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That vise looks pretty solid, how are the jaw serrations? It looks VERY early, from what I can tell it has the old style swivel with a lever on the bottom.
 

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BC: nice find on the 5197. you need to let us all know how to sit on a beach and drink a few beers and have vintage vises at your doorstep when you arrive back home. now almost everyone has a 5197.:bounce:

Fretters: nice color on the Swinden vice. curious how the linseed oil under it is affecting the paint? also thanks for showing the vice nut in place and does it need a screw or something from the top to hold it in place or does it just work like that once the main screw is inside it?

i'm not certain, but i think you just have an older Record there on it's way to your shop next week. do you have any pictures of the other side?
 

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Craftsman 5197 in excellent shape. Needs some paint removed and the dynamic jaw collar stop adjusted:bounce:


I take back almost all of the nice things I said about you...:evil:


OK---Enough BS---Where'd you get it???---How much was it???---Have they got any more???:headscrat


What color are you going to paint it???
 
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BC: nice find on the 5197. you need to let us all know how to sit on a beach and drink a few beers and have vintage vises at your doorstep when you arrive back home. now almost everyone has a 5197.:bounce:

Yes, everybody might have one.....but how many have 3?:evil::evil:

I've got a few guys that hit the sales and keep an eye out for me when I'm elsewhere. I've got another load to pickup next weekend from another friend so more pictures should be on the way:thumbup:
 

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I take back almost all of the nice things I said about you...:evil:


OK---Enough BS---Where'd you get it???---How much was it???---Have they got any more???:headscrat


What color are you going to paint it???


It came from a house around here in the valley. I paid a friend 70.00 for it and they don't have anymore. At first I thought it was the 5198 but soon realized it was the smaller size

As for color, you already know the answer:thumbup:
 

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Bcaddy, you would have gotten a you **** award even before posting the price. How did all the 5xxx series end up in California. Another great find. You are going to have a ward in your museum just dedicated to Craftsman vises.
 

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My 3" Woden seems pretty similar: :dunno:

The differences are in the rear jaw/body, as with the standard, (or what I've come to class as standard), Record No.(1-9) styling. Straight back, defined bracing and distinctive base shape. The grey vice deviates on those areas. Only seen that styling on same type ones upto just. There never seems to be a makers name on them, only the RD number and a No.(1-9). They always seem to be described as old Records when I see them, (usually referred to as being out of grandad's shed or similar), but I've not found out what the specific definition of old is in this case, as of yet. That could mean anything from when Record first started up until around the early 70's, knowing what people are like for classing anything above 25 or so years as (old|vintage|antique). :D


Here's a Paramo No. 6. Looks horrible in the picture but works fine. The styling is somewhat different.

That does seem closer in styling though. Base shape is similar, and it has a not perfectly straight back on the body.


Fretters: nice color on the Swinden vice. curious how the linseed oil under it is affecting the paint? also thanks for showing the vice nut in place and does it need a screw or something from the top to hold it in place or does it just work like that once the main screw is inside it?

It's the old Parkinson wood vice which suffered the oil treatment. Hopefully, I should be giving that a quick test within the next few days, to see how well it has bonded, (if I can bear the thought of attempting to scrape an inconspicuous area on a perfectly functional paint job, that is :D). I'll be taking some photo's of that quick release setup when I start reassembling it, btw. :)

The nut is just a snug/interference push fit into the rectangular slot in the rear jaw housing. The round hole you can just make out on the other side of the housing from the nut is where the rod/punch is placed to tap the nut into place.


i'm not certain, but i think you just have an older Record there on it's way to your shop next week. do you have any pictures of the other side?

No other photo's until it gets here, unfortunately. From what I've seen in the past, everything does seem to suggest it's an older style Record, but I'm always reticent taking much gorm of descriptions I see posted on Ebay or the like. Have briefly tried in the past to find any literature showing this styling, but it doesn't take long before I give up the ghost. There's just so much info crops up if you try searching Record vices that brain freeze doesn't take long to set in when scanning through. :D

I'll be giving it a full strip down when it gets here, so I'll search for any distinguishing marks and the like. Normally I wouldn't have punted for a Record, (they've never personally rocked my boat, to be honest), but this one just happened to be fairly close, has a different than usual styling which I do find slightly appealing, and more importantly it was cheap. :D Curiosity has finally got the better of me though. I'm intrigued by these, hence decided to have a look at one when the opportunity arose, which it now shortly will.

The leadscrew spring setup sounds like the pin has sheared else something is missing, judging from the description, so that'll be getting checked over when it gets here. Apparently it is working condition generally, but currently needs the front jaw manually pulling out when opening the vice.
 
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Oberst: wait for another one because that one is fairly common and not worth a tank of gas.

Fretters: you have several good old cast iron vises and machines in the process so sorry i forgot the Parkinson wood vise was the linseed oil test piece of old English steel.

by the way is their a bolt or screw that holds the Swinden vise nut in place?

All: Here's my 5197 as i picked it up from an old greasy garage a couple months ago and hopefully the next time you see it i'll have it pristine and sitting on one of my benches not to far from my 5196, 5191 and my other Reed and Rock Island versions of Craftsman vises.
 

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Just found this listed on CL for $15. Not sure it's worth the 3 hour round trip though...

The asking price is spot on, but the cost in time and especially gas makes it a no-go. If it was local, then it wouldn't be a problem, but the only way it would make sense to go there is if you had other errands to take care of in that area as well.
 

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Oberst: wait for another one because that one is fairly common and not worth a tank of gas.
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The asking price is spot on, but the cost in time and especially gas makes it a no-go. If it was local, then it wouldn't be a problem, but the only way it would make sense to go there is if you had other errands to take care of in that area as well.

:+1: except I'd say the ask is top dollar... I get/see those regularly for $6 or less.
 

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Here's a little 2.5" Chicago on a very uncommon clamp mount base. Autopts tells me this is the rarest base available on Wiltons. The date is 1947.

The vise itself is in truly excellent condition but unfortunately the base, at some point in time, was broken and then brazed back together. It broke where the clamping leg connects to the swivel base. It came to me with a huge, ugly, lumpy braze that looked like a disease was growing out of control on it. I spent more time than I care to think about smoothing it back into shape. You can only tell the braze exists now if you completely remove the base from the workbench and examine the underside of it. I'm pleased with how it turned out, I did not expect it to look this good when I first got it.

Anyway, it's a very nice vise in the old Chicago mint green and the base is cool and completely solid in my opinion.

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And just in case you're wondering what I started with. This is how it came to me originally.

Edit: No type of filler used either, all shaping and sanding.

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