The VISES of Garage Journal
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bigcaddy
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I don't have trouble replacing the cap on spray cans anymore.
That's a great looking vise you have there. A spruced up vise is like a hot rod; I dare you to touch one and not smile
Prentiss vises are a huge favorite around here and if you search the tread, you will see some monsters that other members have in their garages. It's gonna make you want to buy more
oldldh
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I don't have trouble replacing the cap on spray cans anymore.
Silly me!!!
I've been using a BFH for that task...
scooternut
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Picked up a Craftsman 5180 today (Reed I believe) and the guy threw in an old Craftsman circular saw, model 207.25603. I know nothing about the saw, but enjoying the vise so far. Have to decide its fate as I dont know circular saws, nice looking piece though. Edit, by the way, the saw is sitting in its case and the top of the case is behind the vise.
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drivesitfar
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JJD: nice work and thanks for the pictures. by the way don't throw away those other old square headed bolts because you may need them to mount the 200 pounder on the other end of the bench.
hadn't thought of the paint can cap method to replace it that you just used and will have to give it a try. again welcome to the gang here at the Journal and i think you'll fit right in.
by the way when you used an easy out to get out the jaw screws did you use the old ones or replace them. if you replaced them did you have a couple screws laying around the shop that worked as replacements?
hadn't thought of the paint can cap method to replace it that you just used and will have to give it a try. again welcome to the gang here at the Journal and i think you'll fit right in.
by the way when you used an easy out to get out the jaw screws did you use the old ones or replace them. if you replaced them did you have a couple screws laying around the shop that worked as replacements?
jholder
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Picked up my first Wilton a few weeks ago, and finally got it reassembled this evening. It's a recent model 1765 (from 2000 if I'm reading the stamp correctly), that had seen better days. I've wanted a Wilton for a while and this was the first sub $100 vise to show up on CL that was anywhere local. I used a wire wheel and a fair amount of Evaporust on the smaller parts, and the body of the vise, and finally sandblasted the vise body itself before i powder coated it in green reseda hammertone.
The only real "issue" was some wear and tear on the screw and retaining washer where one of the previous owners had worn the metal away into sort of a dome shape (not entirely sure how that happened. Anyway, busted out the tig and added some metal back in. Would have been great to have a lathe to recut the channel cleanly, but all i had was elbow grease and a set of files. It took a fair amount of work, but I finally got it fitted back in there with only the smallest amount backlash.
Overall, I'd say I'm pretty happy with how it turned out, thought I wish I could find more of a light blue hammertone to stay closer to the factory color.
The only real "issue" was some wear and tear on the screw and retaining washer where one of the previous owners had worn the metal away into sort of a dome shape (not entirely sure how that happened. Anyway, busted out the tig and added some metal back in. Would have been great to have a lathe to recut the channel cleanly, but all i had was elbow grease and a set of files. It took a fair amount of work, but I finally got it fitted back in there with only the smallest amount backlash.
Overall, I'd say I'm pretty happy with how it turned out, thought I wish I could find more of a light blue hammertone to stay closer to the factory color.
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oldldh
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Ya Dun Gud, Bubba!!!
balane
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Gee, all I ever get are death threats.
macgee
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the guy threw in an old Craftsman circular saw, model 207.25603.
That's a beautiful art deco shape or should I say atomic age? It does't matter if it works or not, I bet it will polish up beautifully. Sometimes "function follows form" is the correct philosophy.
oldldh
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Gee, all I ever get are death threats.
That's because you haven't painted any "Stump Sitters"...
Arrest-Me-Red----
YET!!!!
If ya don't----Ve Vil Haf Yu Shot!!!
balane
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That's because you haven't painted any "Stump Sitters"...
Arrest-Me-Red----
YET!!!!
If ya don't----Ve Vil Haf Yu Shot!!!
Blasphemy!
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oldldh
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My profound apologies, Sir...
I shall go out in the yard...
And stick needles in my eyes as penance...
john3931
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Duct Tape Man
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Soak the vise in kerosene for a week, or give it an e-bath. That pin is stuck good, I had a Reed 406 and the pin was stuck like that. Never did get it free, but then I never really tried much.
jjd56
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JJD: nice work and thanks for the pictures. by the way don't throw away those other old square headed bolts because you may need them to mount the 200 pounder on the other end of the bench.
hadn't thought of the paint can cap method to replace it that you just used and will have to give it a try. again welcome to the gang here at the Journal and i think you'll fit right in.
by the way when you used an easy out to get out the jaw screws did you use the old ones or replace them. if you replaced them did you have a couple screws laying around the shop that worked as replacements?
DRIVESITFAR:
Unfortunately Only one of the square head bolts were long enough to use on my bench, but I did save the others. I shaped the heads of a couple stove bolts from the hardware store on my grinder to secure one jaw. They're more shinier and softer than what was there originally but I'm ok with that. I can make more if necessary. Thanks for the welcome. Guess I'm hooked now. Gotta be some 200 lb vises in the area......
Fretters
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Finally got the vice of unknown lineage back together.
I'm actually responsible for that chip in the front insert, on the top corner. The insert faces were a tad more brittle than I expected, and some light tapping from a hammer, (honestly, it was only light and only from a small hammer), to try and work the inserts loose once I'd drilled the screw heads out resulted in that chip. A slight annoyance, but nowt detrimental.
I'm actually responsible for that chip in the front insert, on the top corner. The insert faces were a tad more brittle than I expected, and some light tapping from a hammer, (honestly, it was only light and only from a small hammer
), to try and work the inserts loose once I'd drilled the screw heads out resulted in that chip. A slight annoyance, but nowt detrimental.
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Outlawmws
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Gee, all I ever get are death threats.
That's because you haven't painted any "Stump Sitters"...
Arrest-Me-Red----
YET!!!!
If ya don't----Ve Vil Haf Yu Shot!!!
Busted!
G20-Budo
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Fretters,
That looks great.. good job.
That looks great.. good job.
bl00
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Did anyone here get the enormous
Rock Island vise from the Philly area a couple weeks ago? If so, post some pics (or I'll have to).
Rock Island vise from the Philly area a couple weeks ago? If so, post some pics (or I'll have to).drivesitfar
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B100: since it was a Rock Island 577 would you like me to post a few of mine until you get it cleaned up and ready to take some of yours? It might be a bit smaller than some of yours, but i bet you had to haul it away in two parts.
JHolder: awesome job on the Wilton and since nobody commented i'll say it. what did your bride say when she saw you were cooking a vise in the oven?
JJD: nice work with the screws and again nice looking vise and it will serve you well until you find a bigger one.
Fretters: i'll never get tired of a burgundy vice you show even if can't tell us who made the damn thing. by the way was the handle that pitted or did you use some sort of wrinkle paint on it because it looks great.
Oldie: don't be so hard on yourself and 50 lashes from your English bride would do instead of the pins in your old eyes that always tell red from red.
John: that old Parker has some serious braze on it. if it works as is i'm not sure i'd risk taking the pin out of the swivel jaw, but if you want to pull the dynamic jaw out all the way and try to push it out from below with a bolt a little smaller than the hole.
JHolder: awesome job on the Wilton and since nobody commented i'll say it. what did your bride say when she saw you were cooking a vise in the oven?
JJD: nice work with the screws and again nice looking vise and it will serve you well until you find a bigger one.
Fretters: i'll never get tired of a burgundy vice you show even if can't tell us who made the damn thing. by the way was the handle that pitted or did you use some sort of wrinkle paint on it because it looks great.
Oldie: don't be so hard on yourself and 50 lashes from your English bride would do instead of the pins in your old eyes that always tell red from red.
John: that old Parker has some serious braze on it. if it works as is i'm not sure i'd risk taking the pin out of the swivel jaw, but if you want to pull the dynamic jaw out all the way and try to push it out from below with a bolt a little smaller than the hole.
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bl00
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I didn't buy it and it was way bigger than the 577.
drivesitfar
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B100: sorry my bad. I didn't know that Rock Island made a bigger vise than the 577 that weighs 150 pounds. Dayid's doesn't have one listed either so now i'm really curious too. there were 2 577's for sale on your side of the US the last week or so and one needed some serious help and one looked decent.
by the way i read in one of your posts that you own a 280 pound vise and for some of us that haven't been on this thread since the beginning would you mind posting a few pictures of it or let us know the post # if you already posted some?
by the way i read in one of your posts that you own a 280 pound vise and for some of us that haven't been on this thread since the beginning would you mind posting a few pictures of it or let us know the post # if you already posted some?
jholder
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Thanks!
I have a dedicated oven for pc. Powder coating releases some pretty nasty chemicals as it bakes. Apparently, it also re-emits those chemicals every time you use it after that as well. So I just watched CL until one came up for cheap and picked it up.
I just need to have a wilton C3 come up for sale somewhere locally.
drivesitfar
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JHolder: those C3's are a rare animal in the wild and i wish you all the luck trying to find one. by the way just an FYI a lot of them have had broken swivel bases which seemed like the only weak part of that awesome vise. if you do find one look at the bottom side of the swivel for a break or repair, but it sounds like even if it needed a repair you could fix it.
forgot to mention you did a great job with the handle fix and happy to hear your welding skills have the Wilton working as it did when it was new.
by the way just an FYI a lot of them have had broken swivel bases which seemed like the only weak part of that awesome vise. if you do find one look at the bottom side of the swivel for a break or repair, but it sounds like even if it needed a repair you could fix it.forgot to mention you did a great job with the handle fix and happy to hear your welding skills have the Wilton working as it did when it was new.
bl00
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It took a great deal of self restraint, but I didn't need it.
In 1920 Rock Island had these big uns:
swivel base
No. 78 - 7" jaw - 240lbs
no 8" listed
fixed base
No. 98 - 7" jaw - 210 lbs
No. 67 - 8" jaw - 286 lbs
They got bigger in the 1930s:
swivel base
7" jaw - 254 lbs
8 3/8" jaw - 345 lbs
fixed base
7" jaw - 226 lbs
8" jaw - 299 lbs
Here's the Reed when I first got it
In 1920 Rock Island had these big uns:
swivel base
No. 78 - 7" jaw - 240lbs
no 8" listed
fixed base
No. 98 - 7" jaw - 210 lbs
No. 67 - 8" jaw - 286 lbs
They got bigger in the 1930s:
swivel base
7" jaw - 254 lbs
8 3/8" jaw - 345 lbs
fixed base
7" jaw - 226 lbs
8" jaw - 299 lbs
Here's the Reed when I first got it
Fretters
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Cheers.
I take it the colour is starting to grow on you finally?
That handle is just good old fashioned rust pitting. No idea how it has ended up like that, to be honest, because the rest of the vice looks like it has barely even seen any damp. There's one smooth portion of metal, around 2" long, on the handle which has obviously been shielded inside the ball end of the leadscrew whilst the rest of the handle was rusting away. Fretters
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Those brain ticklers as to how a previous owner managed to do something are great, aren't they.
I have one vice where someone had managed to physically stretch the leadscrew. God only knows how. Top man. Good to see people who aren't afraid to crack on with the files.
I love using files. Slow work, but so rewarding when done.Nice work.
jholder
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I've never tried to weld cast before, but I *think* there are issues with the metal hardening (crystalizing maybe?) with the heat. I don't know if you can do some kind of heat cycling or treatment to change that or not.
I had an issue with one of the lock bolts, and had to cut the handle off. I'm over here thinking to myself "If I had a lathe, I could turn a replacement in just a few minutes!" Which is exactly how you run out of space in the garage :/
jholder
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Fretters:
It was pretty well stuck before I cleaned it up, so I guess maybe over time as it tightened up it had to "pull" harder to open it each time? I guess you do anything enough over the years, steel on steel will hear that down.
Sometimes a file is the only way to go. I did bust out the belt sander to knock down some high spots on the outside. But i probably spent a good 30-45 minutes getting it to fit just right without binding. The upside is that the backlash really isn't there. I see movement when changing direction in about 10 degrees of travel (a guess, maybe an inch and half travel at the furthest end of the handle)
It was pretty well stuck before I cleaned it up, so I guess maybe over time as it tightened up it had to "pull" harder to open it each time? I guess you do anything enough over the years, steel on steel will hear that down.
Sometimes a file is the only way to go. I did bust out the belt sander to knock down some high spots on the outside. But i probably spent a good 30-45 minutes getting it to fit just right without binding. The upside is that the backlash really isn't there. I see movement when changing direction in about 10 degrees of travel (a guess, maybe an inch and half travel at the furthest end of the handle)
drivesitfar
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JHolder: i'm not a welder, but there are plenty of talented guys here at GJ so maybe just ask if you are not sure about how to do something. that's how we all learn and maybe some day i will weld myself.
I've read and heard that the best method to repair cast is to Braze it. also to preheat either in a shop oven or BBQ, braze the part quickly after heating it up and then sticking it in a pile of sand you have close by so it cools slowly. i might be wrong so any welders or brazing guys please chime in to correct me, but i think this is the best way to do a fix on cast.
I've seen some awesome fixes with several other methods and just can't remember all of them so start at page one of this Vise thread and enjoy the read in your spare time which might take a month or so to read the entire thread. also there is a 3 or 4 hours of YouTube videos someone made on the vises of Garage Journal if you just want to watch them.
I've read and heard that the best method to repair cast is to Braze it. also to preheat either in a shop oven or BBQ, braze the part quickly after heating it up and then sticking it in a pile of sand you have close by so it cools slowly. i might be wrong so any welders or brazing guys please chime in to correct me, but i think this is the best way to do a fix on cast.
I've seen some awesome fixes with several other methods and just can't remember all of them so start at page one of this Vise thread and enjoy the read in your spare time which might take a month or so to read the entire thread. also there is a 3 or 4 hours of YouTube videos someone made on the vises of Garage Journal if you just want to watch them.
drivesitfar
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B100: always a pleasure having you reach into your files and give me (us) more information that isn't easily found. so now i have another 7 or 8 inch vise i can add to my list.
by the way the 108 Reed you had sitting in your Jeep looked like it had barely been used. when it starts getting too heavy to move around let me know and i'll come help you ship it to me. thanks for sharing (again).
by the way the 108 Reed you had sitting in your Jeep looked like it had barely been used. when it starts getting too heavy to move around let me know and i'll come help you ship it to me. thanks for sharing (again).
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oldldh
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KBC Tools and Machinery has some NOS Starrett 926C's for sale at $ 982.11...
That is what "New" American iron is going for...
Well...a Starrett 926 is on Ebay for $ 862.50...
This one will appeal to our Canadian members...the vise is in Perth, Ontario...
Nearly 200 pounds of new, unscared, unwelded, pristine, in-the-box clamping goodness...and it ain't a "Swivelin' B@#tard", either...
The photos will also give the folks restoring Starretts a good look at the original color...
That is what "New" American iron is going for...
Well...a Starrett 926 is on Ebay for $ 862.50...
This one will appeal to our Canadian members...the vise is in Perth, Ontario...
Nearly 200 pounds of new, unscared, unwelded, pristine, in-the-box clamping goodness...and it ain't a "Swivelin' B@#tard", either...
The photos will also give the folks restoring Starretts a good look at the original color...
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oldldh
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Is the slide half way painted on that one? It appears that paint is sticking out the back side of the opening of the static jaw/body.
Sloppy factory overspray???
Other than that----
I ain't got a clue...
It's a pile of money, but I thought someone might need a "good" picture for a color match...
oldldh
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As I was wandering around Ebay tonight, I found a "WTF is that thing???"...
www.ebay.com/itm/MACHINIST-TOOLS-LA...6?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item27e96836e2
There are a few "I've got to have it" folks in the 8" Jaw Vise market...
I have no idea what it is...Asian???...American???...European???...200MM=7.8"...
BIN----$ 199.99!!!
Best Offer Available!!!
Really stout looking, and from what I can see...in really good shape...and I've never seen another one...scalling off the tailgate, it is a BIG B@#tard!!!
www.ebay.com/itm/MACHINIST-TOOLS-LA...6?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item27e96836e2
There are a few "I've got to have it" folks in the 8" Jaw Vise market...
I have no idea what it is...Asian???...American???...European???...200MM=7.8"...
BIN----$ 199.99!!!
Best Offer Available!!!
Really stout looking, and from what I can see...in really good shape...and I've never seen another one...scalling off the tailgate, it is a BIG B@#tard!!!
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neophyte
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As I was wandering around Ebay tonight, I found a "WTF is that thing???"...
www.ebay.com/itm/MACHINIST-TOOLS-LA...6?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item27e96836e2
There are a few "I've got to have it" folks in the 8" Jaw Vise market...
I have no idea what it is...Asian???...American???...European???...200MM=7.8"...
BIN----$ 199.99!!!
Best Offer Available!!!
Really stout looking, and from what I can see...in really good shape...and I've never seen another one...scalling off the tailgate, it is a BIG B@#tard!!!
That vise looks like a Polish made FPU/Bison Bial 1250 model vise. The model number should be 1250-200L or something similar, but Bison Bial no longer seems to list a 200mm vise. I believe these vise were sold rebranded a couple decades ago by USA companies. This is the webpage for Bison Bial's 175mm vise of the same model.
http://www.bison-bial.com/vises/1250-175l
oldldh
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Thanks...
A "Neophyte" you ain't!!!
We Have A Winner!!!
Ya Dun Gud, Bubba!!!
A 200mm European vise is worth what they're asking...
A "Neophyte" you ain't!!!
We Have A Winner!!!
Ya Dun Gud, Bubba!!!
A 200mm European vise is worth what they're asking...
EOC_Jason
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Ooooohhhhh Aaahhhh....
I'm both happy & sad when I see that... Happy that late-model 108S has a good home... Sad that it's not mine....
That is the holy grail right there... Unless they make a 109S just like it... va.grouseman
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I want an early model 209R, but if I absolutely had no other choice, I guess I would settle for a 109S.
oldldh
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HA!!!!
You'd be just as likely to find---
Rocking Horse Manure----or----Unicorn Horn----or----An Honest Politician!!!
Or the "Ever Elusive"----5198!!!