rodsnratfinks
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Need one what? The wire nut? Trade for tools? 
The VISES of Garage Journal
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barry2wood
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Outlawmws well if you get what we got then your in for it. Better find a indoor project for a few. Pretty sweet car though. Guy said he could sell the lock that holds the spare tire cover on for 500$, has Packard cast on base of lock. Figured it was a low-mid 6 figure crusier. Has around 24k original miles along with factory paint.
Drivesitfar sad to say it's neither. Guy has a massive building full of packards, olds, caddys and the like. Did some very CAREFUL work last summer. I think you can see the tail of dad's in the for ground of the forklift pic.
zkling I know all about leaf springs. Re-arching, de-arching and adding leaf all day at work. I'll take a video or pic of our spring shear. You guys are going **** a brick! I'll give the BS a look on Monday and see if I can get it off his hands for cheap. Same spot i got my columbian. Doesn't look like it's his major workhorse or does it? Pack of Marlboro drum roll please........ 3 1/4in
(Spring stack isn't from that motorhome, just a stack I did last week, off topic but had to do it massive motor in that Packard)
Drivesitfar sad to say it's neither. Guy has a massive building full of packards, olds, caddys and the like. Did some very CAREFUL work last summer. I think you can see the tail of dad's in the for ground of the forklift pic.
zkling I know all about leaf springs. Re-arching, de-arching and adding leaf all day at work. I'll take a video or pic of our spring shear. You guys are going **** a brick! I'll give the BS a look on Monday and see if I can get it off his hands for cheap. Same spot i got my columbian. Doesn't look like it's his major workhorse or does it? Pack of Marlboro drum roll please........ 3 1/4in
(Spring stack isn't from that motorhome, just a stack I did last week, off topic but had to do it massive motor in that Packard)
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code4pay
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Nice Dawn, love their stuff. I think for a working leg vice around 100 - 120 or so is a fair price from what Ive seen on gumtree etc.
GETRIDAONE
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I would guess about 6 oz. or so.
jreb10
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Yesterday I joined the Craftsman 51xx club. There was an online auction not too far away, and after the bidding got to $32 it was down to just me and another guy. It took me a while to get rid of him, but I won the vise for $74. I hope it was not another GJ member. That was a good price for me since I had never even seen a 51xx around here before.
You never know for sure about condition when all you have a pictures. I could see it had been painted grey, and the handles seemed straight. Here are some photos:
I brushed off the paint on the hub and confirmed it was a 51 lb. 5195:
Slide was well-greased, screw looks great, and the jaws look very good:
I think it will clean up nicely.
I know some of you 51xx owners have seen dates stamped on the slide. Where did they stamp the dates? I can't find one after looking closely.
You never know for sure about condition when all you have a pictures. I could see it had been painted grey, and the handles seemed straight. Here are some photos:
I brushed off the paint on the hub and confirmed it was a 51 lb. 5195:
Slide was well-greased, screw looks great, and the jaws look very good:
I think it will clean up nicely.
I know some of you 51xx owners have seen dates stamped on the slide. Where did they stamp the dates? I can't find one after looking closely.
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fullthrottle24
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I know some of you 51xx owners have seen dates stamped on the slide. Where did they stamp the dates? I can't find one after looking closely.[/QUOTE]
Just below the Budweiser can on the slide. Welcome to the club.
Just below the Budweiser can on the slide. Welcome to the club.
oldldh
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Good one...
5195 is the "Baby"...3 1/2" jaws...
We don't see a lot of those, either...
In the opinion of many folks, the Craftsman 519X family of vises is the best looking vise ever made...Stout, too!!!
Keep us posted on the restoration...
5195 is the "Baby"...3 1/2" jaws...
We don't see a lot of those, either...
In the opinion of many folks, the Craftsman 519X family of vises is the best looking vise ever made...Stout, too!!!
Keep us posted on the restoration...
firemanast
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jreb10
Very nice vise congratulations !
Very nice vise congratulations !
drivesitfar
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RRF: that double swiveler import pipe vise you have might be missing a few parts, but I've seen more guys use those as their main vise than maybe any other vise. I've yet to find one person that doesn't like them and if they break they bring out the nuts and bolts and welders if they own one and mend it up. a lot of them end up on the back of trucks or outside vises. PC06 spiffed his up and put it back outside on this nice stand that sits under his eaves. i pass on buying them all the time when i see them, but i probably should pick one up and see what i'm missing. there are a few companies that made those in the early 1900's in the US and England and if you get one of those please don't beat on it (much).
Jreb: do you have the 5195 in your hands yet and can you understand what all the fuss is about these awesome vises? As FT said the top of the slides have the dates just like the old Rock Island vises used to date some of their vises. congrats and if you haven't tried electrolysis you might read this thread and give your new Craftsman a bath to take the old paint and rust off.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237752&highlight=homemade+electrolysis
Get: does your little bear have a name or do you just call him Parker??
Jreb: do you have the 5195 in your hands yet and can you understand what all the fuss is about these awesome vises? As FT said the top of the slides have the dates just like the old Rock Island vises used to date some of their vises. congrats and if you haven't tried electrolysis you might read this thread and give your new Craftsman a bath to take the old paint and rust off.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237752&highlight=homemade+electrolysis
Get: does your little bear have a name or do you just call him Parker??
bigcaddy
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I concur. 5195s are a perfect example of overbuilt for the size but, like its relatives, very good looking. I've got quite a few myself but would never miss a chance to own another
Collect them all!!!
drivesitfar
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alan camby
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Do any of the old USA made vises have a dynamic jaw that is as rigidly mounted as a Wilton bullet? My grandpas old Parker, my somewhat old USA craftsman, and all square style slides sure have a lot of slop. Is that just lots of use, or why are they not made more precise?
If a new Yost or Morgan was ordered would it be tight like a Wilton?
Just feels weird having a loose dynamic jaw after years of using a Wilton. When the jaws are tightened maybe it does not matter?
I always feel I am abusing a vise if I put a round object in the jaws and clamp it vertically. If I apply rotational torque to the round object, it sure seems to strain the dynamic. Anyone else notice this? I try to put round objects in the vise horizontal. This could be where a square/rectangle slide is better?
If a new Yost or Morgan was ordered would it be tight like a Wilton?
Just feels weird having a loose dynamic jaw after years of using a Wilton. When the jaws are tightened maybe it does not matter?
I always feel I am abusing a vise if I put a round object in the jaws and clamp it vertically. If I apply rotational torque to the round object, it sure seems to strain the dynamic. Anyone else notice this? I try to put round objects in the vise horizontal. This could be where a square/rectangle slide is better?
jreb10
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Old: It looks like a very interesting vise. It is only a 3.5 incher, not up to your aspirations, and of course there is that annoying swivel base.
Maybe I should paint it....what color?....red, perhaps?
Drives: I have the vise in my hot little hands. Very stoutly built, seems to have design elements from different manufacturers. I will learn more when I take it apart.
I have a nice E-tank setup, but I may look at other techniques as I want to preserve the Craftsman badge.
Stay dry, it looks like you are getting pummeled with rain.
BC: I remember the photo of your 51xx "lineup". Very impressive. I don't know if another one will cross my path again, but if it does I will try to buy it.
Well, it seems this one is not dated. Maybe its me, as my Wilton C1 was dateless, now my 5195 is dateless. Reminds me of my social life.
Maybe I should paint it....what color?....red, perhaps?
Drives: I have the vise in my hot little hands. Very stoutly built, seems to have design elements from different manufacturers. I will learn more when I take it apart.
I have a nice E-tank setup, but I may look at other techniques as I want to preserve the Craftsman badge.
Stay dry, it looks like you are getting pummeled with rain.
BC: I remember the photo of your 51xx "lineup". Very impressive. I don't know if another one will cross my path again, but if it does I will try to buy it.
Well, it seems this one is not dated. Maybe its me, as my Wilton C1 was dateless, now my 5195 is dateless. Reminds me of my social life.
rodsnratfinks
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Looks nice. For now, it will have to do. It's pretty solid, with little wear. I don't think there are a lot vises with the flexibility/capacity this has that can be had inexpensively. So, I'll just make the most of it. Last night, I broke it down and did some clean up and lubrication and put it back together. It works pretty well now. The tolerances of some of moving parts are what you would expect, so the swivels are a little notchy. Later on I might do some grinding and wire wheel work to get it to spin smoother, but it's never going to be a showpiece.
Reeds seem to have a pretty tight tolerance. Much easier to keep a fit tolerance on a round bore than it is on a square one.
joe.striper
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I have restored a lot of vises and I can make almost any vise as 'tight' as a Wilton. Wiltons feel that way because their spindle nut is so solidly mounted. If you want to repair your old Parker pull out the dynamic jaw and look at the spindle nut. Check it for play in the static jaw, typically a movement back and forth. You need to take up that slack. Sometimes the spindle nut stop is bent, so replace it. Or make a metal shim between the nut and the stop.
Large Craftsman of the 51XX series and some Reeds have a lash adjuster built into their spindle nut stop. Its really cool.
Properly adjusted vises have an immediate jaw action with the slightest handle actuation.
Hope this helps. Email me if you need help.
alan camby
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I think I must have explained the clearance I am talking about wrong. I am not talking end play in the spindle assembly like how end play is measured in a cars crank shaft.. I am talking about how tight the square or rectangle part of the dynamic jaw casting fits into the main vise castings.
Loosen the jaws with the spindle handle and grab the dynamic and pull it side to side. I am asking if Wilton's are the only brand to have little movement. The Parker I can lift the dynamic jaw up and down too. Not a great deal of play but much more than my wiltons. Yes I have seen the guys that make the brass shims to take up play.
Thanks, Alan
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Blue Frog
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OK fellows, all you who have interest in BIG vises may skip over this one - an unused 2 1/2". The pictures are taken immediately after removing it from the shipping box.
Not bad for one 30 years old. The seller told me that he had kept it on a shelf since purchasing it new.
Blue
About a week after I received this little vise, the seller called and asked if I would be interested in another Wilton Bullet - a 4 1/2" one. I considered it for a couple of days then replied yes. He even met me halfway (70 miles each) for the delivery - nice gentleman. Here are the pics - as received.
Blue
Outlawmws
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drivesitfar
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Blue: Wilton C1 bullet and a Baby Bullet is all most any shop garage will need. i do like the one stop shopping too. hard to say now to a C series Wilton unless overpriced.
Alan: some of my huge vises don't have much slop at all and like you say some have a ton of room. the keyway on the Wiiltons and the round male and female probably make it a little nicer, but i'll let you have a turn on my Reed 4C and see if you like the feel of an almost 200 pound vise a bit better. my Leinen 150 that is the same weight as your C2 at 112 pounds has a very smooth action even though its the back jaw moving backwards.
Alan: some of my huge vises don't have much slop at all and like you say some have a ton of room. the keyway on the Wiiltons and the round male and female probably make it a little nicer, but i'll let you have a turn on my Reed 4C and see if you like the feel of an almost 200 pound vise a bit better. my Leinen 150 that is the same weight as your C2 at 112 pounds has a very smooth action even though its the back jaw moving backwards.
oldldh
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Even that "baby" 3-1/2" is 44 lbs!(At least mine is)
Interesting...
44 pounds is a nice weight for a 3 1/2"er...
But the catalog says 51 pounds...HMMM???
Nearly 17% difference...HMMM???
If you're sure, I wonder why...
HMMM???
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drivesitfar
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Oldie: maybe Outlaw's 5195 doesn't swivel or maybe his scale broke years ago and he still thinks he weighs the same as when he graduated from high school.
jakemac
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The 519X series was only guaranteed for 20 years ? 
Boy, did they get that one wrong !
Boy, did they get that one wrong !
drivesitfar
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Jake: i remember seeing that they had the 20 year guarantee. didn't their other Craftsman vises only have a 10 year? Wilton's only had a 5, but changed to lifetime (on some parts).
jreb10
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Oldie: maybe Outlaw's 5195 doesn't swivel or maybe his scale broke years ago and he still thinks he weighs the same as when he graduated from high school.
OK, I just weighed it. It comes in at 44 # and change. Outlaw is right on the money, as usual.
I do recall seeing info that it was 51 #. Now my dollar-per-vise pound calculation is all screwed up. I feel like I overpaid (not).
Outlawmws
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Oldie: maybe Outlaw's 5195 doesn't swivel or maybe his scale broke years ago and he still thinks he weighs the same as when he graduated from high school.
SHIPPING weight guys..
and different for different years: here is 48 and 57:
So No, Outlaw Ain't loosing it (yet)
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jakemac
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The catalog says "Shipping Weight". That extra 7 lbs could be heavy packaging and mounting hardware.
EDIT - Outlaw beat me to it.
EDIT - Outlaw beat me to it.
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oldldh
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Outlaw beat me to it.
Flimsy excuse...but since it's the only one you've got, we'll let you get away with it ----- this time!!!
Don't let it happen again!!!!
Outlawmws
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I think only the Reed built machinist vises had a 10 year against defects. The rest I'm not sure, maybe one year...
va.grouseman
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Fellows---This Matchless 4C is the show to watch.---I'm thinking about pulling the trigger one time myself, just to say I rode the train for a little spell.---Ain't worried atoll about it getting dropped on me.---I doubt it will make reserve.---I'll be watching for those shooters on the ridges and the grassy Knowles, in the last 3 seconds.---Lock and load.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121562119176?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121562119176?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
oldldh
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The bid has a comma in it!!!
Old Dad doesn't make bids with commas...
Be careful...
Outlawmws
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And still, reserve not met...
joe.striper
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My new Birthday shirt from my son and his Girlfriend. It is vise related so don't give me any ****! ! My son gave me his college ring he won for winning his conference football championship this year. Great kid. Clearly off topic. Sorry.
Why cant I post pics right??? Grrrrr
My son gave me his college ring he won for winning his conference football championship this year. Great kid. Clearly off topic. Sorry.Why cant I post pics right??? Grrrrr
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jakemac
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Outlawmws
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My new Birthday shirt from my son and his Girlfriend. It is vise related so don't give me any ****! !
Why cant I post pics right??? Grrrrr
The Emmert...
GETRIDAONE
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My new Birthday shirt from my son and his Girlfriend. It is vise related so don't give me any ****! !
Why cant I post pics right??? Grrrrr
Joe, Happy Birthday Nice shirt by the way, can I get one of those in a large ? That handle on the Emmert sure looks nice. Let your son enjoy the ring gift and return to him later.
jakemac
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joe.striper
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He wants the girlfriend
joe.striper
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Great T shirt right? Custom made by my sons gf. 4 xl tall! HE'S NEVER getting the ring back. Its his second one anyway. He got his first last year.
KMScott
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Hey Joe, I like that Emmert handle too. I installed a new handle on this one that I finished tonight. Stamp date of 7-46, this 4-1/2 Chicago cleaned up pretty good. I tried to install a set of swivel clamps that I made and see that Wilton has the 1/2 bolts to close to the Static Jaw support. Because of the large thread size you do not have much room so using the acorn nuts is the only option I have. I could build a swivel body like some of the Parkers where the swivel handle is buried in the swivel body but the results would be to weak. These old guys are pretty nice and this one is still very tight.
