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FMC1959
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Good Find FMC; I was likeon this one:
The 27X (later) Series were Swivel jaw vises and did not get anywhere close to that size. (6 or 8...) so I was like
The series that one is in are completely different in numbering, using the middle No. as the differentiater?2X9
So it is just over 6" as you showed, and that does tie to the 2 bolt collar as 6" is about where Parker started using 2 bolts.
At $600, that is just crazy $$
And the seller is a :tard:
$600 would be crazy but didn't Smokeshow69 say at $600 his wife would kill him but at $200 he would get it....kind of not sure what the seller was asking?
Anyway, that is a model you do not see often. The classic Parker usually has a more pronounced slope from the static jaw down to the slide. This one slopes more gradual, not your typical Parker. I like Parkers very much but this one is really nice looking, I am hoping that Smokeshow69 can snag it for $200 or less, 185 lbs is a nice hunk of iron. (if it was near me I would definitely go for it)
Kamanhart
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You'll probably have a few people giving you glares of disgust now, for buying one at a price they can generally only dream of.Looks like you've got yourself a tidy vice there.
It gives me encouragement that those $50 Wilton deals are still out there and if I'm patient, someday one of those deals will fall in my lap.
Good score!
Thank you guys!! I was ecstatic when it came up and I was the only one to bid on it!
Thank you much sir! I had been having troubles finding a place to get a good set of jaws. Now if i can find the right paint color for the era Il be set to get her all shined up!
bagged89s10
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I finally picked up my first vise yesterday, covered in many terrible paint jobs. Its a 9450 with a build date of 6-68. She has a few character marks but she cleaned up fairly well. A new set of jaws and some paint i think itll be a heck of a vise. I was extremely happy for the $50 I payed.
You stole it at that price which makes you deserve a "YOU ****!" I just paid $125 for a slightly larger stationary 9500. Great first vise. You're going to get pulled into acquiring vises like the rest of us on here.
Great Find!
~Veeps
topop101
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Hey great info... Thanks a bunch ! I miss understood you to say they only put 14 on bullets. It had me baffled
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sdavis622
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Ended up with another vise today. Unplanned in a deal got it for $39. It's been painted over. And pretty dirty but should clean up nicely. Do you guys know where I can get new screws for the jaws? It was mounted to the back of a service truck, came on a nice mount.
sdavis622
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I finally picked up my first vise yesterday, covered in many terrible paint jobs. Its a 9450 with a build date of 6-68. She has a few character marks but she cleaned up fairly well. A new set of jaws and some paint i think itll be a heck of a vise. I was extremely happy for the $50 I payed.
I agree, you ****. Hope I can find a Wilton some day at that price! I am officially sucked in to acquiring them. BE CAREFUL. He's right, It will get ya!
topop101
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Ended up with another vise today. Unplanned in a deal got it for $39. It's been painted over. And pretty dirty but should clean up nicely. Do you guys know where I can get new screws for the jaws? It was mounted to the back of a service truck, came on a nice mount.
I have bought my screws for my local Reed vise dealer. But I think kevin scott May have some also on his web site. If I remember right... and I seldom do, they are 38 degree heads. Not the typical 45 degree. Much harder to find.
You will probably get 1/2 dozen suggestions on paint for that time period. I personally like Painter's Touch Sage green
I have a similar 9450 later 60's and I do believe Wilton painted a lot of them gray also
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sixkidsdad
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Need some advice. I have a NOS Athol Vise that I would like to preserve. I won't be using in my lifetime. I want to store it so that it stays in good shape for the long run. On a previous post someone told me to pack it in grease which sounds like great advice. It spent the last 60 or so years in a barn. The vise has a lot of surface rust with about 50% of it still hanging onto the original paint. Before I put it into it's dormancy, I'm tempted to wire brush the surface rust off of it along with the faint remnant of factory paint. Therein lies my indecision. Should I wire brush the whole thing down bare and then pack it in grease or just pack it as it sits?
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nafterclifen
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Lots of history in this thread. I was hoping someone could tell me a bit about a vice that I recently purchased, specifically when it was made? Here is what I know about it...
It was made by Rock Island for Craftsman. Model 5163 with 4.5" jaws. "X70" is stamped on the underside of the dynamic jaw. It's heavy, about 70 pounds. I bought it refinished.
It was made by Rock Island for Craftsman. Model 5163 with 4.5" jaws. "X70" is stamped on the underside of the dynamic jaw. It's heavy, about 70 pounds. I bought it refinished.
sixkidsdad
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I don't know much about it but it looks great! Nice job.
topop101
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Need some advice. I have a NOS Athol Vise that I would like to preserve. I won't be using in my lifetime. I want to store it so that it stays in good shape for the long run. On a previous post someone told me to pack it in grease which sounds like great advice. It spent the last 60 or so years in a barn. The vise has a lot of surface rust with about 50% of it still hanging onto the original paint. Before I put it into it's dormancy, I'm tempted to wire brush the surface rust off of it along with the faint remnant of factory paint. Therein lies my indecision. Should I wire brush the whole thing down bare and then pack it in grease or just pack it as it sits?http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=427980&stc=1&d=1427069154
SIXI would re think the grease idea . As the oils separate from the grease, and they will, It will leave the paraffin to do all the protecting. Over time the paraffin will harden , crack and expose the surface. The removal of the hardened grease will most likely remove any original finish or patina you would want to retain.
I would consider a lite clear oil like hydraulic oil then shrink wrap it. No waxes, no color to tint or change the color of the finish .... Just my thoughts.
KMScott
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Wrapped up my Hollands 27H today, heavy at 225lbs. 7" jaws and I must say the smoothness swiveling vise I ever felt. I did not touch the jaw area, has many years of use left on them. Sure would like to know how they installed them, still believe some kind of solder/braze material is used in the casting process. I can see some bubbling or cold slug area when they poured the hot cast and it touched the 1/2 inch thick jaw inserts creating voids. 17" opening and over 35" long, fills up my welding bench, a real beast.
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tool_scrounge
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Need some advice. I have a NOS Athol Vise that I would like to preserve. I won't be using in my lifetime. I want to store it so that it stays in good shape for the long run. On a previous post someone told me to pack it in grease which sounds like great advice. It spent the last 60 or so years in a barn. The vise has a lot of surface rust with about 50% of it still hanging onto the original paint. Before I put it into it's dormancy, I'm tempted to wire brush the surface rust off of it along with the faint remnant of factory paint. Therein lies my indecision. Should I wire brush the whole thing down bare and then pack it in grease or just pack it as it sits?http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=427980&stc=1&d=1427069154
Use LPS-3. I prefer the non-spray form but that is just me being cheap and buying it by the gallon. A gallon goes a long way. The carrier evaporates and leaves a hard wax coating behind. I have coated some steel tubing and left is outside for a year plus. No rust so far.
drivesitfar
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Naft: i think your Rock Island Craftsman is a 1930's and maybe a 1920's made vise because Reed started making Craftsman vises in the late 30's or early 40's. nice looking vise and I've got a rusty farm fresh one of those someplace that is on the list for a makeover.
Six: are you sure you want to put that vise away for 30-50 years? how about wire wheeling all the paint and rust off your NOS vise and then bluing it sort of like the gun guys do. then do they use Vaseline or some sort of jelly to preserve the bluing?
SD: How about pulling out a couple screws out of the almost new version of that vise i sold you so you can see what they are and then shop unless you find a source that knows that their screws work? so you had one vise 2 weeks ago before coming to see me and now you own 4. do you need to come back for the device vise fix or are you ok with buying a couple vises a week?
Six: are you sure you want to put that vise away for 30-50 years? how about wire wheeling all the paint and rust off your NOS vise and then bluing it sort of like the gun guys do. then do they use Vaseline or some sort of jelly to preserve the bluing?
SD: How about pulling out a couple screws out of the almost new version of that vise i sold you so you can see what they are and then shop unless you find a source that knows that their screws work? so you had one vise 2 weeks ago before coming to see me and now you own 4. do you need to come back for the device vise fix or are you ok with buying a couple vises a week?
va.grouseman
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Ok, who got my big Prentiss out of Sacramento?---I'm very disapernted.---Demo's not to happy either.
I hear it's heading to the east coast, but not to me.---B100, do you have anything to declare.
I hear it's heading to the east coast, but not to me.---B100, do you have anything to declare.
Hey,
I am going to guess this pin gets driven out top down?
And I gather you get this nut off as nicely as possible and either reuse on other tabs or replace it with a set screw and collar ?
Does anyone have a reason for the number 17 being marked on two parts ?
I am thinking of taking the handle off and throw it on the lathe it has some severe corrosion pitting on one end or just replace it with a piece of drill rod. I saw some convo about concerns of putting to strong a handle on and causing the vice damage. I will test the handle and see if I can get a good read on its properties before doing so.
Cypher
I am going to guess this pin gets driven out top down?
And I gather you get this nut off as nicely as possible and either reuse on other tabs or replace it with a set screw and collar ?
Does anyone have a reason for the number 17 being marked on two parts ?
I am thinking of taking the handle off and throw it on the lathe it has some severe corrosion pitting on one end or just replace it with a piece of drill rod. I saw some convo about concerns of putting to strong a handle on and causing the vice damage. I will test the handle and see if I can get a good read on its properties before doing so.
Cypher
Need some advice. I have a NOS Athol Vise that I would like to preserve. I won't be using in my lifetime. I want to store it so that it stays in good shape for the long run. On a previous post someone told me to pack it in grease which sounds like great advice. It spent the last 60 or so years in a barn. The vise has a lot of surface rust with about 50% of it still hanging onto the original paint. Before I put it into it's dormancy, I'm tempted to wire brush the surface rust off of it along with the faint remnant of factory paint. Therein lies my indecision. Should I wire brush the whole thing down bare and then pack it in grease or just pack it as it sits?http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=427980&stc=1&d=1427069154
This stuff been used for years http://www.cosmolinedirect.com/, then bag it with desiccant and crate it up.
Cypher
drivesitfar
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Cyph: much easier to drive the pin holding the vise nut in from down below up after removing the swivel base if your vise has one. i can't see the screw holding the main screw in the dynamic jaw, but yes we usually try to reuse the old ones if possible. What is your vise and show more pictures of the entire vise and maybe some of the other members might have more to say.
good luck
good luck
wrenchguy
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Ok, who got my big Prentiss out of Sacramento?---I'm very disapernted.---Demo's not to happy either.
I hear it's heading to the east coast, but not to me.---B100, do you have anything to declare.
I have a Massacheswetts phone number and called the last nite and tied it up, then made arrangements with jeff and told him he should get it for himself. He got it and decided to keep it like i suggested. Great for him. I have dibs if it doest work out 4 jeff.
He'll post pics when he can.oldldh
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Da Big Vise Consortium---
Has Struck!!!
Has Struck!!!
Hey thanks ,
I posted back on my original thread when I bought it so I gather no one saw it , I will repost here I have a Prentiss Bulldog 525 yes the swivel plate is off. I gave that pin a few taps from the bottom no movement so I felt before I did any BFH smacks I would ask. It has been mentioned here but not really shown which way it comes out. The nut on the handle screw is pressed in on to two indents on the screw shaft someone here mentioned they just carefully cut them and then used two others . Another person showed using a set screw collar. Well to the pictures:
drivesitfar
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Cyph: have you seen how many vise and pages of stuff have been posted since you might have posted your vise? also if it's one that we seen hundreds of it sometimes slips by us. I've posted a few vises and unless it's big or unusual not a word and maybe because i haven't started really spiffing mine up.
that said don't ever use a BFH on a vise and better to shoot the pin with a little kroil and then try hitting your punch on the pin from the bottom upwards and if it doesn't move use more kroil and try again in an hour or two. some are stubborn.
as far as your nut i couldn't see on my cell phone what kind of nut you had, but from your description it sounds like a crown nut that has several pieces that can be bent into the screw to hold it. personally i would cut it out maybe with a dremel or some other method and then make a new sleeve with a set screw for the fix so you won't have to deal with that crown nut again.
good luck
that said don't ever use a BFH on a vise and better to shoot the pin with a little kroil and then try hitting your punch on the pin from the bottom upwards and if it doesn't move use more kroil and try again in an hour or two. some are stubborn.
as far as your nut i couldn't see on my cell phone what kind of nut you had, but from your description it sounds like a crown nut that has several pieces that can be bent into the screw to hold it. personally i would cut it out maybe with a dremel or some other method and then make a new sleeve with a set screw for the fix so you won't have to deal with that crown nut again.
good luck
Hey ,
Thanks yeah it is a Crown or Castellated type nut, I figured on going the collar and set screw type setup. Yeah I have seen how many posts go by lol just did not want to clutter up the thread. The BFH comment is a joke lol honestly if it doesn't move it is drill it out carefully and replace it is soaking in pb blaster while I do first coats on that bench drill press in the back ground. I took this apart while waiting for the primer to dry lol it came apart pretty easy with the exception of the castle nut and pin .
Cypher
Thanks yeah it is a Crown or Castellated type nut, I figured on going the collar and set screw type setup. Yeah I have seen how many posts go by lol just did not want to clutter up the thread. The BFH comment is a joke lol honestly if it doesn't move it is drill it out carefully and replace it is soaking in pb blaster while I do first coats on that bench drill press in the back ground. I took this apart while waiting for the primer to dry lol it came apart pretty easy with the exception of the castle nut and pin .
Cypher
I have a Massacheswetts phone number and called the last nite and tied it up, then made arrangements with jeff and told him he should get it for himself. He got it and decided to keep it like i suggested. Great for him. I have dibs if it doest work out 4 jeff.
I was number two in line, been hunting for a big vise for my shop for a while. He told me if you didn't take it he'd call me back. Damn.
You ****! Nice score and I added it to the Wilton Bullet/Cadet date thread. You posted the exact pictures I like to see, both sides and the date stamp!
Does anyone have a reason for the number 17 being marked on two parts ?
Cypher
The numbering is for the manufacturing process. Back then mating parts had to have a unique fit up. Check the backs of your jaws you might find some initials stamped in them.
trijeff
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Optical illusion without the required Pepsi can. I know that guy (Sid), he's a 4'2" midget
FMC:I don't have a Pepsi can handy but maybe this will do?
Ok, who got my big Prentiss out of Sacramento?---I'm very disapernted.---Demo's not to happy either.
I hear it's heading to the east coast, but not to me.---B100, do you have anything to declare.
I have a Massacheswetts phone number and called the last nite and tied it up, then made arrangements with jeff and told him he should get it for himself. He got it and decided to keep it like i suggested. Great for him. I have dibs if it doest work out 4 jeff.
va.gman: yes, wrenchman MADE me do it.
It's funny how you go from a 4.5" Reed to an 8.5" Prentiss in just a few short months. 
I guess the big ones find you when they are ready because I certainly wasn't looking. OK, wasn't looking that hard 
The dynamic jaw comes in at 135 lbs and 31 or so inches from meatball to end.
The static and swivel together weigh about 185 lbs, I can't tell exactly because it covered the entire scale (and then some). But somewhere in the 320 lbs range total. After a day of golf and then ******* the bad boy around this 140 lbs guy is absolutely whooped.
drivesitfar
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Jeff: congrats on becoming a member of the 8 inch and bigger vise club before me. Golf and big vises sounds like a good combo. Nice touch with the 12 pack for sizing.
drivesitfar - Thanks for the input. I wasn't expecting that price to be so great. I know the bullets are desirable but I wish one of them had pipe jaws. Oh well, I will have to machine a custom set that bolt in after removal of the standard jaws. The Osego jaws would take a bit more time to machine than the Wilton. I don't really NEED them but I hate seeing a hard to find deal get away. Lord knows if I pass on this one and keep my eyes out for the next one I will probably not find another one!
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I attached this to my introduce myself thread. Looking for info on it. Have details on the thread. In short 70lb. 4 1/2 in jaws. Opens to 8 in. Machinist vise? HANLEY & CO. Cold stamped on both pieces.
I attached this to my introduce myself thread. Looking for info on it. Have details on the thread. In short 70lb. 4 1/2 in jaws. Opens to 8 in. Machinist vise? HANLEY & CO. Cold stamped on both pieces.
Kamanhart
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Thanks for the suckage guys! Definitely makes a guy feel like he did alright
autopts- If I had to choose between the grey or green id probably have to go grey as it would more closely match the bench grinder I picked up as well. But after searching here a while last night I may go with the hammered sage green look.
bluebolt- Thank you kindly sir
Forgive me if someone has already posted additional info on the vise I have linked below. I am curious because my grandpa has the same vise except a different color and he has always been quite proud of it. haha I would like to share with him what I find out about it! It is the only vise I have ever seen to utilize an adjustable gib and dovetail slide like a milling machine. Thanks in advance!
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=606739&postcount=73
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=606739&postcount=73
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Mark in Indiana
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Trijeff,
I really like the beer case to show the size of that monster.
I really like the beer case to show the size of that monster.
GETRIDAONE
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PRENTISS 98
Jeff , I had the phone in my hand just after you posted on Saturday night. I started thinking freight would be $300.00 ?? and put the phone back down. I looked again and your post was gone so I figured one of the vise sharks had called or you changed your mind.
Jeff , I had the phone in my hand just after you posted on Saturday night. I started thinking freight would be $300.00 ?? and put the phone back down. I looked again and your post was gone so I figured one of the vise sharks had called or you changed your mind.
bagged89s10
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You will probably get 1/2 dozen suggestions on paint for that time period. I personally like Painter's Touch Sage green
I have a similar 9450 later 60's and I do believe Wilton painted a lot of them gray also
I'm trying to decide on paint color for my Wilton 9-500 from 1968 too. Someone mentioned Rustoleum Verde Green. I'm semi color blind so some green look gray and some blues look green to me, so that doesn't help. I also don't want it look out of place in my garage. I like swivel base vises but this stationary Wilton is a such a badass looking vise. I just came up with a sliding vise mount idea in my head. I'm thinking I can mount the vise where my Wilton 1760 is in the picture below, and slide in under the cabinet when I'm not using it. This way the vise won't be sticking 7" off the bench when I'm not using it. It may or may not work, but I think I can make it happen using some steel plate and some of that U channel track stuff that bolts can slide into. What do you think? And what color do you guys think I should go with for the Wilton 9-500?
~Veeps
FMC1959
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Lots of history in this thread. I was hoping someone could tell me a bit about a vice that I recently purchased, specifically when it was made? Here is what I know about it...
It was made by Rock Island for Craftsman. Model 5163 with 4.5" jaws. "X70" is stamped on the underside of the dynamic jaw. It's heavy, about 70 pounds. I bought it refinished.
That's a real fine looking vise, nice jaws, slide; as good as new out of the box
Another great restore on what is a fantastic vise to begin with. Hollands are like the underdogs of the old vise, they are as big and strong as any of the popular names but often overlooked (because there aren't many around?)
Kevin, is that Hollands from the "golden pile"?
FMC:I don't have a Pepsi can handy but maybe this will do?
va.gman: yes, wrenchman MADE me do it.
The dynamic jaw comes in at 135 lbs and 31 or so inches from meatball to end.
The static and swivel together weigh about 185 lbs, I can't tell exactly because it covered the entire scale (and then some). But somewhere in the 320 lbs range total. After a day of golf and then ******* the bad boy around this 140 lbs guy is absolutely whooped.
Jeff, great acquisition! Not sure what you paid but just for getting a big boy like that, you ****! Was model mentioned anywhere, is that a 98?