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va.grouseman

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Blane,---If you ever put together that coffee table, are you going to put legs on it like Kosmo Kramer's.---Just think how much more a copy would bring on E-bay.

Bagged89,---I marked it with a hack saw and then used the corners of a 12 inch flat file.

Vintage,---I don't have the patience for it either.---I just didn't know I didn't.---That KM makes me so mad, a whacking out jaws in 45 minutes.---It ain't fair.

Get,---Laugh you say.---I'd give a testicle to have a set-up like yours, when I started this project.---And all of my teeth don't line perfect either.---It just gets so monotonous, filing and sighting and adjusting---filing and sighting and adjusting.---And I still have to touch them up a little.

Wrench,---It's quite ok to think that the jaws were made of steel.---You are right, brass/bronze jaws would only be suitable for holding PCV pipe or wood without marring and bradding.---Way to soft for steel work.---But according to the story I was given from the seller, like Vintage Nut said, It came off a mine sweeper.---The guy said his father had it for thirty years in his basement and that it came off the USS Direct (AM-430/MSO-430), laid down in 52, launched in 53, commissioned in 54, reclassified as Minesweeper in 55, decommissioned in 82, scrapped in 84.---He said it was a wooden hull ship and that all the tools on board were brass or something that wouldn't spark.---I'm assuming they worked with very little stuff that required steel pipe jaws, where maintenance was concerned.---Not knowing whether or not to make them steel, I just went with ("everything on board was non-sparking"),so he said.

Drive,---I've only got one fitted up so far and it's pretty snug without the set screw.---Still got to sand off that 1/32 off the other two.
The hole for the collar setscrew is right and positioned perfect for no slop. the shiny space is allowing for the thickness of the Dynamic.

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VA: i knew when i posted it didn't seem right and i was missing something. DUH the dynamic does need to be involved to work. that part is surely nice and shiny though.

good luck and sorry you are feeling the pain of true "old school" vise repair. i doubt you thought to take before and after pictures, but making pipe jaws by hand might become a fad so post up what you have on the 101 thread. of course there might be that day when all the missing pipe jaws show up in some guy's storage unit or barn.

Balane: sweet drawing and the 101 thread could use that if you have time because trying to find it here even a couple days later is hard as fast as this thread moves.

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Bagged: nice looking vise and since i'm on the run i'll take your opinion that the crack or missing piece is only minor. just a warning if you haven't got the vice for vises yet. this is not the place to go and get advice about selling or buying a vise. that's all and you just keep picking up all those stray vises and finding new homes for them when you can.
 

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CW: i know my quick release 80's era 6 inch record was not nearly as stout as my US 6 inch ones, but your older 8 incher by no means looks little or small. what does it weigh and is the old quick release on those easy to use like the newer ones?

nice find and happy to see if found a good home.
 

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DIF: Weighs in around 85lb, which is small compared to my other two 8" Records at 118lb and 240lb :)

QR works lovely :) She just needs a cleaning and I'll probably fill the gouges with some bronze.
 

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Bagged: nice looking vise and since i'm on the run i'll take your opinion that the crack or missing piece is only minor. just a warning if you haven't got the vice for vises yet. this is not the place to go and get advice about selling or buying a vise. that's all and you just keep picking up all those stray vises and finding new homes for them when you can.


Thanks Drives. I dropped the vise off at home and had a few minutes before heading back to work. I quickly unscrewed the collar and took out the lead screw. My oswego lead screw is the same length and diameter and bolts right up to the parker. Just the handle is a bit wider and the middle part is a little larger. I sprayed the original handle with wd40 and bolted it back together and it spins as smooth silk with one finger. This might be my first lathe project to cut off the broken lip and make a new one to weld on. Has anyone done this before?

Oh yeah the vise weighs 55 lbs with 3.75" jaws. Sits 9" tall and 18" long.




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Nice one CW I bet you'll get that looking better than my one by the time your finished with it.

Other than the cutting torch marks the only other fault I've found is a little hammer damage to the slide, but it will easily file out. She'll have to get in the queue for painting as there are a few ahead of her.
 

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CM 5195 vise

Hello CM vise guru's, I recently picked up a 3.5" CM vise and have a few questions. The vise seems to open and close quite smoothly but the spindle nut seems to have a lot of lateral play in the main dynamic housing. I'm not sure if this is from general wear since 1955 or could this be a nut from a different vise? Green arrows on image show the gap I'm referring to.

The Reed 104 I picked up in January does not have this much play between the nut and housing-- very minimal.

Thanks!!

Dan,

I know I'm late but I had a similar problem but with a Athol 624 and ended up spending a lot of time studying and trying to find a replacement/solution.

I'm in the opinion that your spindle nut is too small and is intended for a smaller version of this vise. The previous owner might have found a incorrect replacement. The dovetail has an unusually big gap even for a well worn and very abused one.

One of the reasons why I think this is that the spindle nut machined dovetail sections looks in good condition and the vise itself doesn't look abused either.

I could be totally wrong.

It's a nice vise and worth refurbishing.
 

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Happiness is when your new vise makes your C-1 and C-2 look kinda small by comparison :)

Wilton C-1, C-2, and my "new" Columbian:

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Well fellas, the vise needs I sought out for my new shop are now very satisfied most likely for a very long time. I am going to bow out of the hunt, but if I stumble across anything that I think someone here might want I'll be certain to post it. For now I will be busy fully restoring the C-2 and the Columbian and putting them to work in my shop on new stands that I still have to design and weld. Yes, I will most definitely post photos along the way.

BTW, if anyone happens to have a spare swivel base for my tiny old Fulton 5190 I need one. Thanks.

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The Record 46 turned up today, a fair chunk no doubt. A set of jaws and I might call it done, the patina is nice and once gone can't be had back.

For those worried about the little Prentiss, I sat the 46 on it's bench which shows the 36 beater next to it. There's a picture of it's oval handle hole, can't imagine how it ever got this worn but it didn't happen overnight, it's had a life but works perfectly.

Another picture showing a few more vises migrating downwards in readiness for their move.
 

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va.grouseman

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Previously posted by Drivesit.

of course there might be that day when all the missing pipe jaws show up in some guy's storage unit or barn.
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Drive,---If I didn't know you were funning, I'd think you were sampling some recreational goodies.
 

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1NRO: The 46 looks in better condition in your photo than it did on ebay .... maybe I should have hit the button ;)

Nice to see another of the rotating front jaw Fortis vices. What make is the vice between the Fortis and the Record 75?
 

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For those worried about the little Prentiss, I sat the 46 on it's bench which shows the 36 beater next to it. There's a picture of it's oval handle hole, can't imagine how it ever got this worn but it didn't happen overnight, it's had a life but works perfectly. ...

Your beater 36 is interesting as it has elements of the old style and new style. Old style base but without the Registered Design marked on it and a new screw.
Are the missing jaw screws 5/16 bsw or 8mm fine?

My Record 36's are shown here http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4696404&postcount=59
 

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It was actually a non-plated milled V-blocked made by Starrett that sold for very little. They just photographed it upside down and it sold for very little.

I believe the vise was shop made and finely milled and not plated. It looks like it was part of a nice group of machinist tools the seller had and most of it went cheap.

I would love a nice small vise like that.

Originally posted by Zoomieport.

That one got my attention too.
It looks plated (nickel?) to me. What do you think?
Never seen another one like it, that I recall.
Interesting...
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Looks nickel.---Had to be platinum.

It is plated.
I believe it is shop/handmade too...
 
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Dan, here's a picture of my 4" c-man... The base measures about 1-1/8" in the front and about 1-1/16" in the back. There's a little gap in mine too, but not nearly as much as yours.

I can't imagine the nut would be for a smaller vise for 2 reasons. First, yours is already a 3.5", anything smaller just isn't nearly as common. Second, the spindle would probably be a different diameter, and since it looks right from the front I can't imagine it would be a replacement too.

I would do as others have mentioned and try shimming. Use some brass or aluminum (or even wood) at first and see WHERE you need to shim it. If you raise it up and shim underneath, you might end up cocking the screw and as you tighten it will bind. Or vise-versa if you shim the angles to keep it fixed as low as possible... Like I said you will just have to experiment and see which combination works best.

If you need more dimensions, don't hesitate to ask (probably best via PM since I don't check the thread but every few days).

CM 5195 vise

Hello CM vise guru's, I recently picked up a 3.5" CM vise and have a few questions. The vise seems to open and close quite smoothly but the spindle nut seems to have a lot of lateral play in the main dynamic housing. I'm not sure if this is from general wear since 1955 or could this be a nut from a different vise? Green arrows on image show the gap I'm referring to.

The Reed 104 I picked up in January does not have this much play between the nut and housing-- very minimal.

Thanks!!
 

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did u remove the slide yet? i'm wondering about if u gotta remove the leadscrew nut? good lucks with ur projects.

We loaded it into my car as-is. I won't have time to start restoring it for a bit so I have not yet taken it apart. Just too busy at the moment but I will let you know once I do.
 

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The Record 46 turned up today, a fair chunk no doubt. A set of jaws and I might call it done, the patina is nice and once gone can't be had back.

For those worried about the little Prentiss, I sat the 46 on it's bench which shows the 36 beater next to it. There's a picture of it's oval handle hole, can't imagine how it ever got this worn but it didn't happen overnight, it's had a life but works perfectly.

Another picture showing a few more vises migrating downwards in readiness for their move.

Nice collection. :) What are those cast legs from? I'm guessing a flypress stand?
 

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Herbert does ring a bell

Same here. :D Can't recall if it was just one or both, but seem to recall coming across some info a while back suggesting it was their vice range. Damned if I can remember where though.

On a tangent, I'll be picking up a Fortis and Record 23 which I bought a few weeks ago today. The Record won't be stopping here for long though. I'm letting someone else have that.
 

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On a tangent, I'll be picking up a Fortis and Record 23 which I bought a few weeks ago today. The Record won't be stopping here for long though. I'm letting someone else have that.

Which Fortis is it? I quite like Fortis :) I shall probably get more ;)
 

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Which Fortis is it? I quite like Fortis :) I shall probably get more ;)

If memory serves correctly, it's a No.10 Steel. Don't hold me to that though. :D I'll post a photo when I get it. This'll be my first Fortis. On a slightly different note, I've stripped the No.7 down and some of the bits are currently in the vat. :D
 

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Found this Wilton on Craigslist for what seems like a very fair price ($200) (at least in terms of what I usually see posted on CL locally). My garage came with a 3" Wilton of this same vintage so now I have it my head that I'd like to have a larger matching Wilton as well. I'm tempted to buy this one but would much prefer a swivel base and don't NEED one so think I'll pass.
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/tls/4959193014.html

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Steevo, does your mill have a rotating or tilting head? The one my dad and I have is basically the grizzly small knee mill in different colors. You can rotate the head up to 45 degrees from the table. I would probably put a normal straight end mill in it, and turn the head so the corner of the endmill would do it. Now ignore what I said if you have the fixed head benchtop mill. My idea would only work with a tilt or nod equipped knee mill

you can never have too many tools

Vintage,
I do have a rotating head on my mill. I was 3/4 of the way through filing the grooves on the first jaw when I thought "what if I chucked a nice 90 degree end mill and set the head at 45 degrees to get a good angle on the bit?".

But that would still have been a wide cut, given that it would be 90 degrees rather than the original 60 degrees, so I just kept filing . . .

Besides, it always takes me a while to re-tram the head after moving it off center for a job.
 
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Two of the four I picked up this weekend done up.The Craftsman 5195 and the 1765 Wilton Tradesman . I have to say not that the Wilton is a bad machine , it's that I think the Craftsman is that much better built in my opinion. 5195 is going to be a hard one to flip.:sad:.. I might just have to price it too flippin high for a couple years or 3;)
 

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Found this Wilton on Craigslist for what seems like a very fair price ($200) (at least in terms of what I usually see posted on CL locally). My garage came with a 3" Wilton of this same vintage so now I have it my head that I'd like to have a larger matching Wilton as well. I'm tempted to buy this one but would much prefer a swivel base and don't NEED one so think I'll pass.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/tls/4959193014.html



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I got lucky and got the same one for $125. It's a nice vise.


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